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Re: DIY SMT solder stencil making

 

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I know you said you don’t have access to cnc, but highly consider buying a laser diode engraver from banggood or ebay or whatever.

I have a 2.5w laser module connected to my ?desktop cnc mill.
I spray a black spraypaint on my pcb, then laser away the paint. Etch and done. I also drill my pcbs with my mill in the same operation.

For stencils I use kapton tape and the laser. Smear some solder paste onto the kapton and peel off, leaving the pads covered in solder paste. Works quite well.

If you forgo the drilling, a laser engraver will do.



On 25 Jan 2021, at 12:28, Leon via groups.io <leon355@...> wrote:

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Muriatic acid is hydrochloric acid, often called Spirits of Salt here. Amazon sells it, as do most hardware shops.

Leon



On 25 January 2021, at 10:06, David Slipper <softfoot@...> wrote:



Hi, I need a way to make small cheap SMT stencils at home - I do not have a CNC or have access to one so I would prefer the toner transfer and etching method that seems popular in some quarters.

I loved the idea of using the thin aluminium of a drinks can but he uses a mixture of Muriatic Acid and Hydrogen Peroxide and I have found Muriatic Acid rather hard to find in the UK.

Has anyone used this technique ?? How good is it ??

Are there alternatives to Muriatic Acid?? or where can I get it in the UK ??

What other DIY methods work well ??

Best regards,
Dave



Re: DIY SMT solder stencil making

 

Muriatic acid is hydrochloric acid, often called Spirits of Salt here. Amazon sells it, as do most hardware shops.

Leon



On 25 January 2021, at 10:06, David Slipper <softfoot@...> wrote:



Hi, I need a way to make small cheap SMT stencils at home - I do not have a CNC or have access to one so I would prefer the toner transfer and etching method that seems popular in some quarters.

I loved the idea of using the thin aluminium of a drinks can but he uses a mixture of Muriatic Acid and Hydrogen Peroxide and I have found Muriatic Acid rather hard to find in the UK.

Has anyone used this technique ?? How good is it ??

Are there alternatives to Muriatic Acid?? or where can I get it in the UK ??

What other DIY methods work well ??

Best regards,
Dave



DIY SMT solder stencil making

 

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Hi, I need a way to make small cheap SMT stencils at home - I do not have a CNC or have access to one so I would prefer the toner transfer and etching method that seems popular in some quarters.

I loved the idea of using the thin aluminium of a drinks can but he uses a mixture of Muriatic Acid and Hydrogen Peroxide and I have found Muriatic Acid rather hard to find in the UK.

Has anyone used this technique ?? How good is it ??

Are there alternatives to Muriatic Acid?? or where can I get it in the UK ??

What other DIY methods work well ??

Best regards,
Dave



EasyEda help needed

 

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Can someone help me understand how to use EasyEda?? A friend found a module on there that I have been looking for.? I can load it into EasyEda.? I have both the online version and a stand alone version.? The standalone version asks for a storage location but appears to ignore it and save to cloud server.? I want to generate gerbers for the module that I assume is a public module (otherwise I could not have found it and loaded it) but I can't figure out how to "load it into pcb" as support told me to do.? They show options I do not have.? My assumption is that I have to have the project files which I do not have.? The pc board loads into the editor but I have few usable options.? I can save it as PDF, PNG, JSON, and a couple other formats but none are of any use for get it into a project (for any tool) or exporting gerbers for it.? How do I get the project and files? Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thank you.

Jim Pruitt


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Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

Thanks Donald, I will check that out.

On 11/15/2020 10:19 AM, Donald H Locker wrote:
Have a look at


There are many sites with similar/identical circuits for reverse voltage
protection.

Donald.
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On 2020-11-15 10:57 a.m., Dave wrote:
That sounds like it needs me to go do some research on that one. :) I
use a PTC fues for protection on the USB powered version but my other
boards use battery power from 2.4 to whatever voltage but usually 3v
max. And like I asked Bertho, does a diode bridge even work with DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 7:36 PM, Harvey White wrote:
That takes care of the power supply polarity to the board (you might
want to investigate a P Channel FET for a power protection device, it
works for reverse polarity as long as you don't exceed a negative
input greater than the gate/source rating).

It doesn't help the LED on the board at all.? I'm assuming more on the
board than just a resistor and LED, though.

Harvey


On 11/14/2020 7:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not
matter how
it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho


Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

P channel power FET, Drain to voltage input, gate to ground, source to circuit.? Your limit is the allowable gate to source voltage on the FET and current rating of the FET.

Draw the bridge, put + and - on the AC and look at the output, now reverse + and -.

Harvey

On 11/15/2020 10:57 AM, Dave wrote:
That sounds like it needs me to go do some research on that one. :) I use a PTC fues for protection on the USB powered version but my other boards use battery power from 2.4 to whatever voltage but usually 3v max. And like I asked Bertho, does a diode bridge even work with DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 7:36 PM, Harvey White wrote:
That takes care of the power supply polarity to the board (you might want to investigate a P Channel FET for a power protection device, it works for reverse polarity as long as you don't exceed a negative input greater than the gate/source rating).

It doesn't help the LED on the board at all.? I'm assuming more on the board than just a resistor and LED, though.

Harvey


On 11/14/2020 7:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not matter how
it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho




Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

Have a look at


There are many sites with similar/identical circuits for reverse voltage
protection.

Donald.
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On 2020-11-15 10:57 a.m., Dave wrote:
That sounds like it needs me to go do some research on that one. :) I
use a PTC fues for protection on the USB powered version but my other
boards use battery power from 2.4 to whatever voltage but usually 3v
max. And like I asked Bertho, does a diode bridge even work with DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 7:36 PM, Harvey White wrote:
That takes care of the power supply polarity to the board (you might
want to investigate a P Channel FET for a power protection device, it
works for reverse polarity as long as you don't exceed a negative
input greater than the gate/source rating).

It doesn't help the LED on the board at all.? I'm assuming more on the
board than just a resistor and LED, though.

Harvey


On 11/14/2020 7:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not
matter how
it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho


Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

Think of "I don't care which way the power got plugged in" as AC.? Think of power to your circuit as DC from the bridge. For battery circuits, that two diode drop can be significant, even if you use schottkey diodes.

Harvey

On 11/15/2020 10:54 AM, Dave wrote:
I thought a diode bridge or bridge rectifier was to convert AC to DC. So does a diode bridge work on DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 6:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not matter how
it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho




Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

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Ok, I will look that up to better understand that. I learn something new everyday. And that is a good thing. :)

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/15/2020 10:02 AM, MVS Sarma wrote:

People call it polarity independent powering?

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020, 9:24 pm Dave, <theschemer@...> wrote:
I thought a diode bridge or bridge rectifier was to convert AC to DC. So
does a diode bridge work on DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 6:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
> Dave,
> The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not matter how
> it is plugged in.
> The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
> Bertho
>



Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

Cool. That is good to know. I am only familiar with things like rectifier bridges on auto alternators and magnetos.

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/15/2020 10:00 AM, Tony Smith wrote:
Helps if you think of AC as DC that keeps getting it's polarity reversed.

So yes, a diode bridge will let DC through, but one polarity will get
flipped.

Tony



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf
Of Dave
Sent: Monday, 16 November 2020 2:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [homebrewpcbs] Circuits on 2 sides

I thought a diode bridge or bridge rectifier was to convert AC to DC. So
does a
diode bridge work on DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 6:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not
matter how it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho


Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

People call it polarity independent powering?


On Sun, 15 Nov 2020, 9:24 pm Dave, <theschemer@...> wrote:
I thought a diode bridge or bridge rectifier was to convert AC to DC. So
does a diode bridge work on DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 6:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
> Dave,
> The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not matter how
> it is plugged in.
> The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
> Bertho
>






Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

Helps if you think of AC as DC that keeps getting it's polarity reversed.

So yes, a diode bridge will let DC through, but one polarity will get
flipped.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf
Of Dave
Sent: Monday, 16 November 2020 2:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [homebrewpcbs] Circuits on 2 sides

I thought a diode bridge or bridge rectifier was to convert AC to DC. So
does a
diode bridge work on DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 6:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not
matter how it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho


Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

TYPO: I meant fuse.

On 11/14/2020 7:36 PM, Harvey White wrote:
That takes care of the power supply polarity to the board (you might want to investigate a P Channel FET for a power protection device, it works for reverse polarity as long as you don't exceed a negative input greater than the gate/source rating).

It doesn't help the LED on the board at all.? I'm assuming more on the board than just a resistor and LED, though.

Harvey


On 11/14/2020 7:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not matter how
it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.


Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

That sounds like it needs me to go do some research on that one. :) I use a PTC fues for protection on the USB powered version but my other boards use battery power from 2.4 to whatever voltage but usually 3v max. And like I asked Bertho, does a diode bridge even work with DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 7:36 PM, Harvey White wrote:
That takes care of the power supply polarity to the board (you might want to investigate a P Channel FET for a power protection device, it works for reverse polarity as long as you don't exceed a negative input greater than the gate/source rating).

It doesn't help the LED on the board at all.? I'm assuming more on the board than just a resistor and LED, though.

Harvey


On 11/14/2020 7:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not matter how
it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho


Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

I thought a diode bridge or bridge rectifier was to convert AC to DC. So does a diode bridge work on DC?

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 6:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not matter how
it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho


Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

That takes care of the power supply polarity to the board (you might want to investigate a P Channel FET for a power protection device, it works for reverse polarity as long as you don't exceed a negative input greater than the gate/source rating).

It doesn't help the LED on the board at all.? I'm assuming more on the board than just a resistor and LED, though.

Harvey

On 11/14/2020 7:08 PM, Bertho wrote:
Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not matter how
it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho







Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

Dave,
The easy, foolproof way is to add a diode bridge and it does not matter how
it is plugged in.
The drawback is that you have two extra diode voltage drops.
Bertho


Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

Sounds like you've got the right attitude and plan, then. Keep it up.

Donald.
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On 2020-11-14 4:09 p.m., Dave wrote:
Donald,

? Of course doing it right the first time is the plan. I was just asking
noob like questions just in case there was a use for that. I used to
(and still do a little) program software and I have loads of REM
statements so I don't forget what I did. But working with a team of
developers or for a company that makes software is where it is even more
important. I have formulas in my notes explaining what I used and why
math in the software was done as it was. etc. But nobody is ever likely
to see my code except the hackers. :) Now back to my pcb... I use red
for positive and black for negative and have and will continue to have
the info on my pcbs when they are made. The first one (the only one)
that I have had made has the + and - a little small, but its there. I
like the JST connectors as they are keyed and that is why I bought them.
So with what I have learned is useful for other uses of the jumpers and
non-keyed stuff. Lets say instead of a variable resistor I could have
different brightness of some led's if the jumpers were switched to a
different resistor or set of resistors.

Thanks,

Dave
[snip]


Moderated Re: Circuits on 2 sides

 

Donald,

? Of course doing it right the first time is the plan. I was just asking noob like questions just in case there was a use for that. I used to (and still do a little) program software and I have loads of REM statements so I don't forget what I did. But working with a team of developers or for a company that makes software is where it is even more important. I have formulas in my notes explaining what I used and why math in the software was done as it was. etc. But nobody is ever likely to see my code except the hackers. :) Now back to my pcb... I use red for positive and black for negative and have and will continue to have the info on my pcbs when they are made. The first one (the only one) that I have had made has the + and - a little small, but its there. I like the JST connectors as they are keyed and that is why I bought them. So with what I have learned is useful for other uses of the jumpers and non-keyed stuff. Lets say instead of a variable resistor I could have different brightness of some led's if the jumpers were switched to a different resistor or set of resistors.

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 2:15 PM, Donald H Locker wrote:
I would still strongly recommend a polarised connector. Somewhere down
the road, someone (it might even be you) will have to look at your PCB;
you wouldn't want them to think, "What was he thinking?" Make it easy
for that person.

I spent most of my life doing programming, rather than
electrical/electronic stuff, though I did plenty of that too, and
encouraged my programmers to remember: you aren't writing code for the
CPU, or the compiler; you are writing code for some poor SOB three years
after you've gone away, who has to figure out why you did what you did.
Any half-decent programmer can read the code and know what it does; what
they need to know is WHY it does what it does! Make it easy for them.

My opinion,
Donald.
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On 2020-11-14 1:18 p.m., Dave wrote:
Harvey,

? In my case the circuit is so simple no harm can be done but I do get
your point. From the batteries to a jack with a female plug. Inside the
box the jack is hardwired to the pcb. The only time it has to be swapped
is on assembly and is covered after that. What got me in the beginning
is that the IR led's I use have the anode and cathode reversed so the
flat on the LED is not the cathode or the negative like 99% of the other
led's out there. I always test them on the breadboard but being my mind
always thinks the negative is the short lead, I have solder the red and
black wires onto the led incorrectly. Then as assembly continues it ends
up backwards. It is not a big deal though as now I have ordered some
Dupont female pins and housings to solve that issue if it ever comes up
again. For the most part I likely won't ever make the mistake again but
was curious if a polarity switcher was possible a device because they
seem to make everything.

Thanks,

Dave

On 11/14/2020 11:59 AM, Harvey White wrote:
I would not use reversing a connector for the fix of an LED installed
backwards.? I'd be very tempted to check them first. Most of what I
use has an index mark on it indicating the cathode.

If you have a board where you can plug in the power backwards, then
you have to think about how to plug in the power every time. Thinking
is a quantity noticeably absent as the hour for late night debugging
goes past 12 midnight.

One group of college students was in a robot competition, powering
their project with a high power lithium ion battery. They didn't key
the connector (for whatever reason), nor did they install any sort of
polarity protection, not even a fuse and a reverse biased diode.

Three hours from home on a Sunday and before the competition, they
plugged in the battery backwards and blew every power module in the
robot.? Even an early morning run for spare parts made no difference
to the outcome.

And that is why George always wear hat when visiting Tooki-Tooki bird
friends.

One of the tweezer probes with banana plugs and one of the parts
checkers (transistor/diode/LED/capacitor) can be used to identify an
LED before you put it in.? Since they run off 5 volts (regulated from
a 9 volt battery), you have enough voltage for blue and white LEDS.
You can also get them with a PC board pattern that allows directly
putting SMT chips on the tester.

Harvey