yea.....??? " Things ought to connect at that point."

and thats my dilemma.

I asked on forums and got tons of advice but still coul dnot get the desired result with EAGLE so

I declared defeat and walked away.

On 10/23/2019 10:03 PM, Harvey White wrote:

What that *sounds* like is that you did not connect to the part properly.?

Eagle has a problem with parts that don't have schematic pins on a 0.1 inch grid.? Been there, done that.? Remade the part.

Assuming that these are standard library parts, then you may have overlapped the wire and the pin connection.?

An easy way to connect things is to grab the part and move it.? The connected traces should follow.? If they aren't connected, then the traces won't move with the part.? Drop the part back where the pin meets the trace (doesn't matter if the rest are not where they need to be).? Then move the part to where it should be, or move it around, and you'll find that the pins are now connected to the traces.

At small magnifications, it's easy to have a wire overlap a pin, but the schematic rule checker ought to find that for you.? You can also move the end of the trace where it should be (won't connect automatically), then move the part and drop it back.? Things ought to connect at that point.

I've been using EAGLE for a while.

Harvey

On 10/23/2019 8:57 PM, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the motions of picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing the "net" connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts onto the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1 or 2 connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad and concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw copper traces and then add text in red on another layer.

Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB





I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my local pub.

On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey White wrote:

I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is that it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a "link" to another program.? Too much bother.

No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present, and not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a subscription license, which forces me to keep paying indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once (and only).

Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity of the layout.

Harvey

On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some glitches.

If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be without those glitches then I would buy it.

On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok wrote:

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.

Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly mailing:

"Suggestions, recommendations and such, to and from professionals and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company representatives are encouraged to respond to legit requests for information as long as you identify your connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected customer, there are enough savvy people here that you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense about replying or people might think you are flogging your business.

Spam- Spammers will be treated with all the respect they deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will be treated as spam and may result in your removal from the list and banning from every other list I am listowner or moderator of."

I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title of this thread. If you want to advertise something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want to look at the ad.

Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems capable, and the price is certainly affordable.

I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly better in some way (easier to learn or use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file formats...) then I would consider using it on my next project.

So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and visible.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 AM cresswellavenue@... via Groups.Io <cresswellavenue=[email protected]> wrote:

[quote] It's advertising of his CAD software.

The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.

What that *sounds* like is that you did not connect to the part properly.?

Eagle has a problem with parts that don't have schematic pins on a 0.1 inch grid.? Been there, done that.? Remade the part.

Assuming that these are standard library parts, then you may have overlapped the wire and the pin connection.?

An easy way to connect things is to grab the part and move it.? The connected traces should follow.? If they aren't connected, then the traces won't move with the part.? Drop the part back where the pin meets the trace (doesn't matter if the rest are not where they need to be).? Then move the part to where it should be, or move it around, and you'll find that the pins are now connected to the traces.

At small magnifications, it's easy to have a wire overlap a pin, but the schematic rule checker ought to find that for you.? You can also move the end of the trace where it should be (won't connect automatically), then move the part and drop it back.? Things ought to connect at that point.

I've been using EAGLE for a while.

Harvey

On 10/23/2019 8:57 PM, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the motions of picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing the "net" connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts onto the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1 or 2 connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad and concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw copper traces and then add text in red on another layer.

Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB





I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my local pub.

On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey White wrote:

I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is that it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a "link" to another program.? Too much bother.

No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present, and not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a subscription license, which forces me to keep paying indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once (and only).

Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity of the layout.

Harvey

On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some glitches.

If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be without those glitches then I would buy it.

On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok wrote:

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.

Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly mailing:

"Suggestions, recommendations and such, to and from professionals and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company representatives are encouraged to respond to legit requests for information as long as you identify your connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected customer, there are enough savvy people here that you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense about replying or people might think you are flogging your business.

Spam- Spammers will be treated with all the respect they deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will be treated as spam and may result in your removal from the list and banning from every other list I am listowner or moderator of."

I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title of this thread. If you want to advertise something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want to look at the ad.

Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems capable, and the price is certainly affordable.

I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly better in some way (easier to learn or use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file formats...) then I would consider using it on my next project.

So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and visible.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 AM cresswellavenue@... via Groups.Io <cresswellavenue=[email protected]> wrote:

[quote] It's advertising of his CAD software.

The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.

My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the motions of picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing the "net" connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts onto the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1 or 2 connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad and concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw copper traces and then add text in red on another layer.

Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB





I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my local pub.

On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey White wrote:

I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is that it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a "link" to another program.? Too much bother.

No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present, and not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a subscription license, which forces me to keep paying indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once (and only).

Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity of the layout.

Harvey

On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some glitches.

If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be without those glitches then I would buy it.

On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok wrote:

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.

Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly mailing:

"Suggestions, recommendations and such, to and from professionals and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company representatives are encouraged to respond to legit requests for information as long as you identify your connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected customer, there are enough savvy people here that you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense about replying or people might think you are flogging your business.

Spam- Spammers will be treated with all the respect they deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will be treated as spam and may result in your removal from the list and banning from every other list I am listowner or moderator of."

I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title of this thread. If you want to advertise something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want to look at the ad.

Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems capable, and the price is certainly affordable.

I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly better in some way (easier to learn or use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file formats...) then I would consider using it on my next project.

So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and visible.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 AM cresswellavenue@... via Groups.Io <cresswellavenue=[email protected]> wrote:

[quote] It's advertising of his CAD software.

The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.

My needs for electronic circuit design are CAVEMAN simple.
So I was pretty stunned by EAGLE when I went through the motions of picking parts out of the libraries and then drawing the "net" connections and then
when it was time to work with a PCB layout and drag the parts onto the PCB I had 8 out of 25 components listed as having 1 or 2 connections missing.
and there was no fix for this disaster.
I wasted weeks with that one error.... then moved on to Kicad and concluded that the amount of time spent in the process was waaaaaaaaaaaaay more more time than it
takes me to simple take a schematic into GIMP and hand draw copper traces and then add text in red on another layer.

Noting that this is about as HOME BREW you can do with a PCB





I'll try this PCBCAD51 ..... it cost less than a beer in my local pub.

On 10/23/2019 07:56 PM, Harvey White wrote:

I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is that it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a "link" to another program.? Too much bother.

No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present, and not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a subscription license, which forces me to keep paying indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once (and only).

Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity of the layout.

Harvey

On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some glitches.

If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be without those glitches then I would buy it.

On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok wrote:

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.

Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly mailing:

"Suggestions, recommendations and such, to and from professionals and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company representatives are encouraged to respond to legit requests for information as long as you identify your connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected customer, there are enough savvy people here that you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense about replying or people might think you are flogging your business.

Spam- Spammers will be treated with all the respect they deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will be treated as spam and may result in your removal from the list and banning from every other list I am listowner or moderator of."

I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title of this thread. If you want to advertise something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want to look at the ad.

Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems capable, and the price is certainly affordable.

I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly better in some way (easier to learn or use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file formats...) then I would consider using it on my next project.

So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and visible.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 AM cresswellavenue@... via Groups.Io <cresswellavenue=[email protected]> wrote:

[quote] It's advertising of his CAD software.

The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.

I've used EAGLE for years, but that's version 7.7 for which I have a hobbiest/non-profit license.? It takes a bit of getting used to, and has a quirk or two.? My problem with Kicad is that it has no autorouter (and yes, I know it does have a "link" to another program.? Too much bother.

No experience with any version of Eagle from 8 to present, and not likely to have any, I do not have any sympathy with a subscription license, which forces me to keep paying indefinitely for something I'd already have paid for once (and only).

Much depends on the size of your PC board, and the complexity of the layout.

Harvey

On 10/23/2019 6:59 PM, Rob via Groups.Io wrote:

I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some glitches.

If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be without those glitches then I would buy it.

On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok wrote:

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.

Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly mailing:

"Suggestions, recommendations and such, to and from professionals and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company representatives are encouraged to respond to legit requests for information as long as you identify your connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected customer, there are enough savvy people here that you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense about replying or people might think you are flogging your business.

Spam- Spammers will be treated with all the respect they deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will be treated as spam and may result in your removal from the list and banning from every other list I am listowner or moderator of."

I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title of this thread. If you want to advertise something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want to look at the ad.

Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems capable, and the price is certainly affordable.

I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly better in some way (easier to learn or use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file formats...) then I would consider using it on my next project.

So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and visible.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 AM cresswellavenue@... via Groups.Io <cresswellavenue=[email protected]> wrote:

[quote] It's advertising of his CAD software.

The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.

I spent an extremely UNrewarding 3 months learning EAGLE and KiCAD and got tripped up by some glitches.

If PCBCAD51 proves to me to be without those glitches then I would buy it.

On 10/23/2019 04:45 PM, Jan Kok wrote:

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.

Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly mailing:

"Suggestions, recommendations and such, to and from professionals and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company representatives are encouraged to respond to legit requests for information as long as you identify your connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected customer, there are enough savvy people here that you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense about replying or people might think you are flogging your business.

Spam- Spammers will be treated with all the respect they deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will be treated as spam and may result in your removal from the list and banning from every other list I am listowner or moderator of."

I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title of this thread. If you want to advertise something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want to look at the ad.

Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems capable, and the price is certainly affordable.

I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly better in some way (easier to learn or use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file formats...) then I would consider using it on my next project.

So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and visible.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 AM cresswellavenue@... via Groups.Io <cresswellavenue=[email protected]> wrote:

[quote] It's advertising of his CAD software.

The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please tone it down.

Here is the policy about ads from this group's monthly mailing:

"Suggestions, recommendations and such, to and from professionals and companies are welcome. If you are posting for your own business, please limit ads to once a month and feel free to post your site in the Links area. Company representatives are encouraged to respond to legit requests for information as long as you identify your connection. IE, don't pretend to be an unconnected customer, there are enough savvy people here that you'll be found out quickly. Just use common sense about replying or people might think you are flogging your business.

Spam- Spammers will be treated with all the respect they deserve. Off Topic sale ads, links, uploads, etc. will be treated as spam and may result in your removal from the list and banning from every other list I am listowner or moderator of."

I think some of us are annoyed at the misleading title of this thread. If you want to advertise something, please title the thread "Ad: <name of product>". Then each of us can decide whether we want to look at the ad.

Personally, I would likely check out any ad for PCB CAD software, and I'm glad to know about PCBCAD51. Based solely on the description (I haven't used it) it seems capable, and the price is certainly affordable.

I've already installed the free, open source KiCad PCB CAD package, and have entered one schematic but haven't tried to do a layout yet. If PCBCAD51 is significantly better in some way (easier to learn or use, more flexible, can import or export more PCB file formats...) then I would consider using it on my next project.

So, my suggestion to Cresswellavenue would be to create a new thread, titled "Ad: PCBCAD51 - comparison with KiCad" (or other, affordable CAD packages), and show the comparison. If someone tries PCBCAD51, they might post a reply to the ad, giving their impression about it, and thus keeping the thread "alive" and visible.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 AM cresswellavenue@... via Groups.Io <cresswellavenue=[email protected]> wrote:

[quote] It's advertising of his CAD software.

The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.

[quote] It's advertising of his CAD software.

The same poster has been flooding diyAudio threads with repetitive information and posts that don't add value to a thread..
[/Quote]
--
I have wrote some PCBCAD software ? get over it. Jealous ?
If? I spam diyaudio how come I have been on there 10 years and never been banned ?
Get your facts right before making outrageous accusations.

Just sharing my project.
My fastest scope so far is 23 MS/s and just a single channel.
I use Analogue Devices AD9283 which comes in versions up to 100MS/s.
The weakest link in the chain is the microcontroller which runs at 72MHz but cant clock out the A2D data as fats as it will run.
The analogue bit is just some fast op amps with a multiplexor for switching in different op amp feedback resistors?to set the gain.

--

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 08:24 PM, Martin Whybrow wrote:

the toner isn't fusing to the paper

Hi Martin.
I think that this is a general problem with all newer laser printers.
Under the constant pressure to save energy, new toners have been developed that fuse at lower temperatures.
My old printer could print nicely onto vinyl labels but my newer one, the toner adhesion is very poor and useless for the labels etc.
Frank.