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Re: [hammond_zone] Playing Style

 

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boy o boy you will get some response from those comments..heh
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Darren

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Newman
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:36 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] Playing Style

I'm more of a pianist than a Hammond player but I've got B4. Seems to me
that playing a conventional Hammond style is limited harmonically, I mean
what else can you do, bass note in the left hand, and a melody note with the
right 5th finger and supported by a few chord notes with the other right
fingers. Yeah, I know, great sound, but nothing like the great variety of
voicings (chord shapes) you can do on a piano. The Hammond just doesn't
sound good with those piano voicings, perhaps because of the complicated
registrations, 5ths and 3rds added into the layer of every note. It all gets
too muddy.

Jimmy Smith doesn't do much more than that.

It's more like playing a drum kit. The music is achieved by using the, how
can I say, percussive effects that a Hammond? gives you.

The sound that Jimmy gets is as much due to the sound of the group that he
has set up, particularly the guitar to keep the chord sequence going while
he plays those single note melody improvs.

And the drum backing gives him a supporting interest. If you copy just what
Jimmy does, playing solo, without the rhythm section, you don't get there.

For solo playing you fall back on the, eventually unsatisfying, like I said
above, LH bass and RH melody supported by some chord notes.

But you will disagree with me?

Hopefully.

Ron.



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Playing Style

Ron Newman
 

I'm more of a pianist than a Hammond player but I've got B4. Seems to me
that playing a conventional Hammond style is limited harmonically, I mean
what else can you do, bass note in the left hand, and a melody note with the
right 5th finger and supported by a few chord notes with the other right
fingers. Yeah, I know, great sound, but nothing like the great variety of
voicings (chord shapes) you can do on a piano. The Hammond just doesn't
sound good with those piano voicings, perhaps because of the complicated
registrations, 5ths and 3rds added into the layer of every note. It all gets
too muddy.

Jimmy Smith doesn't do much more than that.

It's more like playing a drum kit. The music is achieved by using the, how
can I say, percussive effects that a Hammond gives you.

The sound that Jimmy gets is as much due to the sound of the group that he
has set up, particularly the guitar to keep the chord sequence going while
he plays those single note melody improvs.

And the drum backing gives him a supporting interest. If you copy just what
Jimmy does, playing solo, without the rhythm section, you don't get there.

For solo playing you fall back on the, eventually unsatisfying, like I said
above, LH bass and RH melody supported by some chord notes.

But you will disagree with me?

Hopefully.

Ron.


mayhem

Forest E. Perkins
 

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This, probably, explains why this difficult time that I have been having in trying to confirm a subscription to your group.? I even open and then cancelled s Yahoo acct. because I was not obtaining any results.? I am a big Hammond fan, and so for many years.? More on that later!? How do I make sure that I am a part of the group and able to access the services of it.? Somebody, please help!
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Thanks, fepstr@...


Motor A100

sjaako@wish
 

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Hi all,
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Does somebody have (or knows who has) a good working 50Hz Tonewheel motor (spare) for an A100 Hammondorgan ?
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Thanks for any hint!!
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Sjaako


Re: [hammond_zone] Playing Style (Lacking?)

 

You guys are comparing apples and oranges. Pianos are way cool instuments
when played right. Organs are way cool instuments when played right.
Comparing them against each other and calling one better than the other is
probably due to pilot error in the player. They both have black and white
keys just as a Jaguar and a golf cart both have four wheels. Think about it. ?
O.H.F. BOB


Re: [hammond_zone] Playing Style

 

Ron,
????????For us, no explanation is needed. For you, no explanation will do.


Re: [hammond_zone] AHEM

 

Sounds like you found us or I wouldn't be reading your email. Welcome. ??
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?????????O.H.F. BOB


Contact please

Paul Mylchreest
 

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Darren would you please contact me at bajan@...

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] procol harum

It was an M102.
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By the way folks...sorry the site has been down, my host had problems with cable and wireless. down for three days!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: [hammond_zone] procol harum

Hi,
What's the organ on the original version of "a whiter shade of pale" ?
Bye
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Marc.


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Fw: C-3 with Note problem

 

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Hello all:
I have a C-3 and Leslie that has a couple of problems.? The C-3 doesn't have a clear note that sounds on it.? In other words, when you play middle C, you can hear C# and D also.? Although you can still play the organ, the clarity of the individual notes.
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They Leslie is a 122.? When you first turn on the organ,?it seems to warm up and a?hum fades in to be loud,?then slowly fades out!?
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Any Help?
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C. Reid


Re: [hammond_zone] procol harum

 

i think it was an m102


Re: [hammond_zone] procol harum

 

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It was an M102.
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By the way folks...sorry the site has been down, my host had problems with cable and wireless. down for three days!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: [hammond_zone] procol harum

Hi,
What's the organ on the original version of "a whiter shade of pale" ?
Bye
?
Marc.


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Re: [hammond_zone] BLOCK CHORDS?

 

I think they are chords that usually have more than 5
notes, so you have to use the left hand to complete the
chord. ex: c13,b9 = C, E, G, Bb, Db, F, A.

Hi guys,

I've often heard of them, I probably know what they are but never knew they are
called that way...

WHAT EXACTLY ARE BLOCK CHORDS?

Are they chorded solos perhaps?...

Thanks,

Roger


Re: [hammond_zone] BLOCK CHORDS?

 

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Listen to the work of pianist George Shearing and you will get the idea.? Great stuff!
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Have a good one....
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Peter?& Elisabeth aka Blue Star????
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: David Oakley <david@...>
An: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...>
Datum: Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2001 17:30
Betreff: Re: [hammond_zone] BLOCK CHORDS?

I believe this is a term generally used to refer to left hand chords e.g: root and 5th, root and 6th etc.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] BLOCK CHORDS?

Hi guys,
?
I've often heard of them, I probably know what they are but never knew they are called that way...
?
WHAT EXACTLY ARE BLOCK CHORDS?
?
Are they chorded solos perhaps?...
?
Thanks,
?
Roger


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Re: [hammond_zone] BLOCK CHORDS?

David Oakley
 

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I believe this is a term generally used to refer to left hand chords e.g: root and 5th, root and 6th etc.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] BLOCK CHORDS?

Hi guys,
?
I've often heard of them, I probably know what they are but never knew they are called that way...
?
WHAT EXACTLY ARE BLOCK CHORDS?
?
Are they chorded solos perhaps?...
?
Thanks,
?
Roger


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BLOCK CHORDS?

 

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Hi guys,
?
I've often heard of them, I probably know what they are but never knew they are called that way...
?
WHAT EXACTLY ARE BLOCK CHORDS?
?
Are they chorded solos perhaps?...
?
Thanks,
?
Roger


Re: [hammond_zone] BLOCK CHORDS?

 

Hi to everyone,

As a newcomber to the zone but an old B3 player from way back, been playing
since 1952, maybe I can help clarify block chords.

They are very simple to play. The right hand plays the melody with FULL
CHORDS filled in and the left hand simply plays the melody one octave lower
with both hands on the same manual. A good example would be Duke Ellington's
"Satin Doll" used with a walking pedal line (very effective)

Hope this helps.

Don


Re: [hammond_zone] procol harum

 

Hi Marc
It?a M-102. Checkout the homepage of Matthew Fisher
Regards Jimmy Larsen


From: Marc Saint-F?lix <marc.saint-felix@...>
Reply-To: hammond_zone@...
To: "Hammond Zone" <hammond_zone@...>
Subject: [hammond_zone] procol harum
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:07:33 +0200

Hi,
What's the organ on the original version of "a whiter shade of pale" ?
Bye

Marc.
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procol harum

Marc Saint-Félix
 

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Hi,
What's the organ on the original version of "a whiter shade of pale" ?
Bye
?
Marc.


Re: [hammond_zone] spinets

Gandert De Boo
 

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Hello Darren,
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Unfortunately I can't listen to that song, but off course i know that The HAMMOND SOUND requires a B3 or a simular organ. But I'm from Holland and B3's are very hard to get here. At this moment I'm satisfied with my l122. You see I'm a student. But one day i'll own a B3 with a leslie 122, for sure. I'm saving money all ready.
By the way?I'd really like to hear that song. You don't happen to have a mp3 or something?
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Greetings,
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GM De Boo
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] spinets

Hi Gandert
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Nothing wrong with a nice spinet, maybe they are not as versatile as a Console...but have a listen to Whiter Shade Of Pale by Procul Harem....tell us if you think that Hammond sounds ok??and if you dont already know, tell us what you think it was recorded on.
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Best Wishes,
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Darren?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:52 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] spinets

hi Hammond lovers,
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lately there are stories on the zone about spinets. These store don't tell much good. Are the spinets really that bad?? I mean my l122 got a tonegenerator percussion ect. But i hope my tg doesn't sound less better than one frof a b3, right?
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Greetings
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GM DeBoo


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Re: [hammond_zone] Hey, where is everybody?

 

Hello Jimmy!

I know what you mean. As we run the C3 into a leslie 147 it is relatively
simple: The 1/4" jack of the cable that comes from the organ plugs into any
distortion device ( prefeably a tube unit) and then goes into the preamp
that is connected with the leslie. Now you can switch between clean and
distortion. However, we use this heavy distortion only for studio clients
that as for it. I think zhis setup is not possible with the 122 leslie
due to balanced audio and the very high audio levels (up to 6V)
But here is something else you might find interesting: As already mentioned
in previous postings, we have equipped the organ with a tube reverb unit
that is easily installed with an adapter socket under one of the tubes. Now
the good thing: Not only does the reverb sound nice - the organ gets a much
crunchier sound when the last 2/3 of the expression pedal are kicked it. As
this, due to compression, doesn???t make it much louder, we now have the clean
and the crunch sounds at hand. As this overdrive is happening inside the
organ, it is possible to have it even with the leslie volume lowered.
Hope that helps you a little bit;


Peter & Elisabeth aka Blue Star



-----Urspr???ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jimmy Lange <jlange@...>
An: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...>
Datum: Montag, 18. Juni 2001 18:02
Betreff: Re: [hammond_zone] Hey, where is everybody?

Hey Hammond Lovers,
Here's a question for all of you technically
skilled and experienced Hammond folk....you
know that big, phat distortion sound that makes
a Hammond / Leslie sound so thick and dense?
I mean like the early Santana recordings ( Greg
Rolie on " Abraxas" , or perhaps Steppenwolf
etc. ) you know what I mean.
Do any of you know of a way to get that big
distortion " on command " out of a B-3? My
rig has a great tone and I CAN make it scream at
high volume by cranking the Leslie and standing
on it. Sounds great but is also pretty damn loud
at that point mic'd up through a sound system.
I'd love to find a way to switch into that mode
instantly....to go to a rich distortion without
substantially raising the overall volume output
of the organ / Leslie. In-line " Tube screamer" or
perhaps some other device?
Goff professional suggested turning up the
pre-amp level using the control on the swell box
inside a small push in cap, removing the cap and
turning the screw counter-clockwise. Haven't yet
tried locating that but even then they said the
control could not be moved to the endblock. So
I'm still left with NOT being able to have this more
distorted sound available to me instantaneously
and at nominal volumes.
If any of you kind folks have ever heard of
such a customization done on a console Hammond
I'd sure love to hear about it! I played a rented
B-3 at a festival show a couple weeks ago and it
was that rich distorted sound....problem is that's
ALL it could do and I'd really like to have the
option. Thanks for your thoughts on this and it's
sure great to be in with such a friendly and happenin'
group of Hammond people!
Keep it spinnin',
Jimmy Lange



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