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Focus/Progressive Rock
Frank and Cindy Stroupe
Thanks, I will definitely further investigate Focus. Sorry that I don't
know more about them and their music. In that day and time, as a teenager, there was just too much music, and too many bands I was into to fully develop each band, and prog rock just wasn't as big in the Memphis TN area, mainly just the prog rock that recieved national airplay. (the bigger hits of some of the aforementioned bands) I was into Tull, Moody Blues, ELO(I consider them somewhat progressive), along with most popular rock bands of the day, (especially the harder stuff like Zep and Sabbath, and southern rock) diggin' on the music of the '60's, listening to a fair amont of Stax and Motown, and was exploring '40's and '50's blues. Was also in the high school band. My noggin was quite full of music. Then came disco....:-( then the "hair" bands :-( :-( I have pretty much spent the last 20 years listening to what was recorded in the previous 40, and the newer stuff from the bands from those 40. "Sylvia" was done with a spinet?!?!. Hell, there's hope for my M-143! Just can't afford a "real" Leslie yet, but now won't give up hope of getting a decent sound out of it, eventually anyway. It's been a while since I listened to "Hocus Pocus" (am listening to it now) When I mentioned the "silly little organ thing" I wasn't thinking of the great Hammond tone behind the yodelling. (had forgotten about that) I was thinking of the accordian sounding thing behind the cartoonish jibber. (I can imagine what those of you that have never listened to the song are thinking at this time) For an example of the difference between rock and progressive rock (extreme example), listen to Led Zeppelin's "Rock and Roll", or Bad Company's "Just Want to Make Love to You". Then listen to the first 20 minutes or so of Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" (that's about all most people can handle of it in the first listening), or any of the first 5 or so Moody Blues albums. You should be able to tell the difference. (actually, I can't, its all rock and roll to me) Frank Stroupe |
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Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
I had forgotten the genre until this thread started. When I was involved it
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was given it's full 'title' of Progressive Rock and I think the title came from the fact that we all felt that we were 'moving on' from basic rock structures to, as Linda says, something a little more complex. The odd time signature change, which at first for all us innocents was a real triumph when mastered, and had all the drummers I played with at the time staring at a point in space about two feet in front of their faces and counting very methodically (almost aloud!). Great times! Regards to all Rod. PS. For Glenn, the B3 smokes on.....but I still want a 61 note tonewheel to gig with. ----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Dachtyl <lindaleed@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) I would like to add that prog rock often draws from classical, jazz, and world music influences, many times uses extended structures like in orchestral music (suites, etc., more so than classical symphonic form...), many times uses mixed meters, and usually requires some highly disciplined chops to execute. Rock music without LIMITATIONS...... in other words, not having the goal of necessarily trying to hit the top 40 with a 3 minute tune with all the clich???s of the month to get the attention of the A&R "suits" to sign them and then dictate what they should be doing by stifling their creativity after receiving the coveted record deal. (the last paragraph is just IMO......although I think there is more than a bit of truth in it.) I would assume that the attitude is as far as hit making, other than the obvious financial rewards of that.......if it happens, fine, but for the most part I think prog rock musicians approach music for music's sake........ until of course they they finally get that hit and and simply want to keep on the charts (example 80's Yes and Genesis, although I like even most of their "popish" prog, too, though "Owner of a Lonely Heart" isn't "Close to the Edge" and "That's All" isn't "Watcher of the Skies" by ANY stretch) Linda Chris Clifton wrote: Hi Jeff, Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
I would like to add that prog rock often draws from classical, jazz, and
world music influences, many times uses extended structures like in orchestral music (suites, etc., more so than classical symphonic form...), many times uses mixed meters, and usually requires some highly disciplined chops to execute. Rock music without LIMITATIONS...... in other words, not having the goal of necessarily trying to hit the top 40 with a 3 minute tune with all the clich¨¦s of the month to get the attention of the A&R "suits" to sign them and then dictate what they should be doing by stifling their creativity after receiving the coveted record deal. (the last paragraph is just IMO......although I think there is more than a bit of truth in it.) I would assume that the attitude is as far as hit making, other than the obvious financial rewards of that.......if it happens, fine, but for the most part I think prog rock musicians approach music for music's sake........ until of course they they finally get that hit and and simply want to keep on the charts (example 80's Yes and Genesis, although I like even most of their "popish" prog, too, though "Owner of a Lonely Heart" isn't "Close to the Edge" and "That's All" isn't "Watcher of the Skies" by ANY stretch) Linda Chris Clifton wrote: Hi Jeff, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Help!!!
Chris Clifton
Hi Johan,
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I'm guessing that you start the organ up as usual, but when you switch to run the generator stops? Looking at the diagrams there appears to be two windings on the run motor, one is brought out to a pair of red wires, the other to a pair of black (or blue, the diagram shows blue in brackets as an alternative). It would be interesting to disconnect the wires at one end and measure the resistance of each winding, I would expect them to be about the same. If the converter damaged one winding when it died you may find a very different resistance on the two windings. It is possible, depending on the design of the converter that when it died it fed DC voltage to the motor, which may have damaged the motor. The only other thing I can think of is that if during installation of the new converter you removed all the wires to the motor from the terminal strip, (I can't see that you would need to do this, just considering possibilities). If one pair of wires e.g. the reds were reversed when reconnecting this would reverse the direction of rotation of the motor, which would be quite interesting to say the least when the starter spins it in the original direction. I don't think this is likely however, I'm just mentioning it as a possibility. When acting on technical advice given in the Hammond zone, by me or anyone else, please remember that there is high voltage electricity inside Hammond organs and Leslie speakers. It is not just the AC line voltage, valve (tube) equipment uses high DC voltages which may remain for sometime after switching off. Take care and enjoy your Hammond for many years. Chris Clifton ----- Original Message -----
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Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
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How are things Glen, got any interesting 'stuff' at present? Regards Rod ----- Original Message -----
From: <ggowing@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) Yes - Focus, what was that hammond instrumental - "Slyvia ? |
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Help!!!
Hi!
Chris, you were right. The Herzconverter is broken. I have now installed a new one, but I cant get everything to work. The start motor is working fine, but the run motor wont start. I have checked that the motor is getting power, and if I put the run switch on, I can fell "resistance" from the motor when I try to spin it. Is the motor broken or have I connected it wrong to the converter? Please help me......again!! Best regards Johan Edin |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
Frankie Deschacht
In message <000f01c1e3a0$af3bf820$cbdc79c3@j7b2p8>, Gandert De Boo
<bottomline@...> writes Thijs it still active in music. He lives in Belgium.Does he ? I didn't know that . Tell me more if you can. Then again, I left Flanders (not Belgium, very nasty word) about 8 years ago. I hope you guys know he actually is a flute player. Yes it was him-- Frankie Deschacht Musician and Music Teacher Muzikant en Muziekleraar |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Sylvia by Focus
Gandert De Boo
He uses a L122, with a 2-rotor leslie. So the only thing ou're missing is the tonewheel! Maybe you ought to try a tube pedal for some warmth.
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From: Wim Hadermann To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 10:51 AM Subject: [hammond_zone] Sylvia by Focus Man, this is THE Hammond Sound :-) I'm afraid i will never get this with my X5??? regards, Wim ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) Pavlov's Dog...truly inspired maniacs! Gotta love 'em. BCV-KG > -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Millgate [mailto:romill@...] > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:40 AM > To: hammond_zone@... > Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) > > > Focus.....great band, haven't thought of them in years. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: t402_owner <t402_owner@...> > To: <hammond_zone@...> > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 12:21 AM > Subject: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) > > > > Progmates, > > > > It's always nice to see on telly original footage of progrock stunts > > like Emerson sticking knives in a swiveling mercy-me-shrieking > > Hammond, looney looking Ian Anderson spitting the flute and > > gentlemanlike Yes chatting about. > > > > Also full merited appearances by Pink Floyd (PF's progressive? HA! > > It's like saying Van Gogh is impressionist...), Fripp's King Crimson, > > Gabriel's Genesis (bleedin' sellout!) and Latimer's ongoing Camel > > caravan. > > > > Big mistake being turdy Hawkwind in the list! Are they absolutely out > > of their minds???!!! *puke* > > > > Plus irrelevant LedZep-influenced Rush and pop-ish but always white > > satined Moody Blues. > > > > Much missed absences by Focus, Gentle Giant, Pavlov's Dog, Soft > > Machine and Triumvirat... IMHO of course! > > > > Cheerio > > > > t402 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd op virussen. Op staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
Gandert De Boo
Thijs it still active in music. He lives in Belgium. I hope you guys know he actually is a flute player. Yes it was him that played the flute part in HOCUS POCUS. He also did that strange vocalpart. But the man looks very old, but also very friendly. He's bold and gray. When saw him, I first didn't know who he was, I thought it was a painter. That's what he looks like. But this was one year ago and about a focus reunion I didn't ask anything.
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From: t402_owner To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 10:20 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) Gandert, So you met Thijs, that's cool!... What's he been up to lately, then? BTW it's not 'hocus spokus' but 'hocus pocus' (these latin expressions ha). Sorry mate but you were asking for it... ;-) Cheers t402 --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Gandert De Boo" <bottomline@w...> wrote: > Does anyone remember 'hocus spokus' by focus? > Yes, Thijs used a L122 just like mine. I spoke him once. He said he still has it. > BTW it's Jan Akkerman(dutch names, ha) > > > Gandert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: t402_owner > To: hammond_zone@y... > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 1:52 PM > Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) > > > I think multi-instrumentist and vocalist extraordinaire Thijs Van > Leer played a modest L series... > > Now and slightly OT, Jan Ackermann remains one of my guitar heroes of > all times. > > Focus - prog in full splendour! > > t402 > > --- In hammond_zone@y..., ggowing@c... wrote: > > Yes - Focus, what was that hammond instrumental - "Slyvia ? > > > > Fab. Hope the B3 still Smokin ! > > > > > > Glenn > > > > Quoting Rod Millgate <romill@g...>: > > > > > Focus.....great band, haven't thought of them in years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd op virussen. Op staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
Gandert De Boo
I was just testing you guys. Luckely some one noticed. I recently saw Jan Akkerman playing. But the focus power is gone if you ask me. He knows the instrument very well and plays very nice music, but it's more jazzy nowadays. But it's nothing like focus.
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From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) BTW, it's also, "Hocus Pocus". BCV-KG > -----Original Message----- > From: Gandert De Boo [mailto:bottomline@...] > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 8:55 AM > To: hammond_zone@... > Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) > > > Does anyone remember 'hocus spokus' by focus? > Yes, Thijs used a L122 just like mine. I spoke him once. He said > he still has it. > BTW it's Jan Akkerman(dutch names, ha) > > > Gandert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: t402_owner > To: hammond_zone@... > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 1:52 PM > Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) > > > I think multi-instrumentist and vocalist extraordinaire Thijs Van > Leer played a modest L series... > > Now and slightly OT, Jan Ackermann remains one of my guitar heroes of > all times. > > Focus - prog in full splendour! > > t402 > > --- In hammond_zone@y..., ggowing@c... wrote: > > Yes - Focus, what was that hammond instrumental - "Slyvia ? > > > > Fab. Hope the B3 still Smokin ! > > > > > > Glenn > > > > Quoting Rod Millgate <romill@g...>: > > > > > Focus.....great band, haven't thought of them in years. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet > gecontroleerd op virussen. Op staat een > verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. > > > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd op virussen. Op staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
Chris Clifton
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Given that any musical genre is almost impossible to categorically define. There will always be some music that defies any arbitrary rules. "Prog Rock" is typically characterised by a strong rhythmic riff or motif throughout the song, and long improvised solos by any or all members of the band. The best way to find out is to listen to some of the bands that have been mentioned in this thread. I'm sure that there must be many MP3 tracks available on the web of these bands Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: <jlc7184@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only) OK OK i've seen alot of talk regarding "prog"rock.Now i hate to appear so --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.345 / Virus Database: 193 - Release Date: 09/04/02 |
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Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
"LeClochard" is good for tron fanatics in addition to Hammond
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fanatics......like me!! I really like Focus, too. Maybe with the exception of "Round Goes the Gossip". Maybe they were trying to have a follow up to "Hocus Pocus"? Just about everything else I had heard of theirs is Primo! Heck, I even have some vinyl of a group called "Trace" that I think Van Linden's brother played in or some kind of Focus connection. Good group too. Prog will never die!!!!!! Linda Frank and Cindy Stroupe wrote: Glenn wrote:Yes - Focus, what was that hammond instrumental - "Slyvia ? |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Playing Hammond Pedals
daz
That's the spirit... up and at 'em Jeff!!
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From: jlc7184@... [mailto:jlc7184@...] Sent: 13 April 2002 02:47 To: hammond_zone@... Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Playing Hammond Pedals Daz,those are some great tips on getting those feet moving.I'll definitely give those excerises a try. thanks ....jeff Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
t402_owner
--- In hammond_zone@y..., "Frank and Cindy Stroupe" <fstroupe@g...>
wrote: The extent of my Focus listening was "Hocus Pocus" (long version, thankyou) with the silly little organ thing in it.Silly little organ thing???!!! ROTFL My word! Talk about consideration! Any more good FocusOrgan tunes? Organ tunes???!!! Oh dear this is more serious than I thought... For you full reeducation I'd recommend "Live at the Rainbow". Once it grows in you - hopefully - it'll be a mere question of time to naturally own all their early to mid 70's albums plus solo works by Akkermann and Van Leer. Enjoy the Focus snowball! t402 |
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Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
t402_owner
Gandert,
So you met Thijs, that's cool!... What's he been up to lately, then? BTW it's not 'hocus spokus' but 'hocus pocus' (these latin expressions ha). Sorry mate but you were asking for it... ;-) Cheers t402 --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Gandert De Boo" <bottomline@w...> wrote: Does anyone remember 'hocus spokus' by focus?still has it. BTW it's Jan Akkerman(dutch names, ha)heroes of all times. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Playing Hammond Pedals
daz
Approx 3lb I think.
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From: Dave Merrick [mailto:dave@...] Sent: 13 April 2002 06:39 To: hammond_zone@... Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Playing Hammond Pedals Exactly how tight in the action dept. are the pedals "supposed" to be. My middle C was flapping in the breeze to I tightened it up and was very surprised how stiff the action became. I almost had to put serious weight into it. I assume that you generally don't want them that tight. -Dave Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
BTW, it's also, "Hocus Pocus".
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Re: [hammond_zone] top ten prog rock on E4 (UK only)
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Pavlov's Dog...truly inspired maniacs! Gotta love 'em.
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