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Re: [hammond_zone] C 40 Teaser
Raul de Jalapeno
Cool! I've been waitin' for these! Up to the website they'll go!
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From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:48 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] C 40 Teaser Raul, More C 40 pic's are on the way! I've got amp details this time. I spent the afternoon cleaning up the amps (they were really just dusty). I have one amp back in the cabinet. Haven't fired it up yet. There are 3 wax caps in each that look fine, but pretty scary (hand-rolled cardboard tube with stuff printed on it and dipped in clear candle wax!) I should really check the Can Caps, they're the dangerous ones! I've got some interesting (to me, anyway!) trivia details, too. The amps were contracted out to Webster Electric in Racine, Wis. There's a tag inside. Also, I've never seen hand-made resistors before. These are so old they don't have code stripes on them, just color splotches! The amp type is listed as: 6122A1 The slightly newer one Bill threw in for parts is made by the same place and looks identical, except for the different Cap Can, and the resistors, which look the same except they have stripes. But, the type is listed as: AO-2632-1 These things are just pristine! The china marker inspection marks inside are still clearly legible. Each solder joint had a dab of yellow paint on it as a QC check. All the tube sockets have the tube type embossed in white on the bakelite. Not one scratch in the black wrinkle paint anywhere. I'll send the pic's (along with BCV CG!!) as soon as I download them tomorrow night. Fun stuff! BCV-Ken |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators
Raul de Jalapeno
I love you guys!!! What would a guy do without all of ya? I love ya!! Now, get this clear.....I'm not going to reproduce an organ. All you who know me know I'm an electronics guy. I live, breathe and eat vacuum tubes and high voltage. You guys ever see Forbidden Planet? Remember the ID monster? That's me when my mercury-vapor rectifiers are really cookin'! If it wasn't for you guys, I wouldn't even know what to polish my CV with, much less make a cabinet! No, siree, me no make whole organ. What I want to do is reproduce the entire tonewheel generator from start motor to scanner. That's why I want to learn what tooling they used to make the parts with. Did they die stamp the wheels? The gears? Did they farm that part out to a sub-contractor? I dont know. Here's what I do know: I intend to see if the patent is still live on this thing. If not, I intend to figure out how to make TGs without emptying a soul's pocketbook. I've already spoken with my transformer vendor. He took one look at the specs and said: "Ah! Hammond tonewheel generator!! You want the coils and filters reproduced? No sweat and not big dough." I'll have to sub most of the work, but if I can make them to exact spec., I think we got something. Now, why would I do this? Pure altruism, folks. the whole idea is to keep what Hammonds are left in working order. Also, it would be interesting to have a TG kit prepared for the new B-3! I've repaired many TGs over the years, so I know there internal workings. On of the other lists has a gent whose taking waveforms and output voltages of each tonewheel of several good generators and placing the results in a spreadsheet. With his help, and some other goodies, we'll get the job done. I'm also going to prepare a line of exact replacement and upgrade transformers for our rigs. That should be ready in a month or so. Now, If someone wanted to make a line of cabinets, hmmm....
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From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob Hey Raul! If we find anything still alive around Chicago, I can go pick it up. I'm only a few hours away. As far as tooling, what would there have really been? Are Tonewheels die-stamped? I haven't seen one out of its TG in so long I don't remember. There were probably stamping and forming dies for the TG and Pre-Amp chassis', but that's not really required. Maybe lathe patterns for legs and cabinet-piece templates, too. If we do a custom cabinet, we wouldn't need those. I don't think we want to repro the entire line, just B-3's, right? Well, maybe ALL the TG's used from about '34-'74, AO-28's, AO-15331's. Oh yeh! Molds for keys, Drawbar knobs, Vibrato knobs, Vibrato Scanner pieces would be nice, huh? Hmmmmmm... BCV-Ken |
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
I have no clue
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From: Carlo Pietroniro To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] question it had 7 drawbars for the lower manual, 1 for the pedal, 9 for the upper, and then one more for the upper. carlo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
If it were 8 DB for the lower, 1 pedel and 9 for the upper in that order, its a M series M ,M2 or M3.
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But you did say 7 for the lower manual. Humm. Not sure. What were the color patterns of the drawbars? Any protruding speaker grill by you knee? If yes 1 or 2 ? ----- Original Message -----
From: Carlo Pietroniro To: Hammond Zone Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] question I pose this question to all the Hammond experts, hoping to get an answer. Now please bear with me here........ I played a Hammond spinet today. It had 2 44-note manuals, 12 pedals (not 13), the power toggle switches were located under the keyboards (not in the usual place), and it had a 10th drawbar, next to the 1' pitch. Anyone have any idea what model this was? One more question........ Why is it than on spinet models, the lower manual only has 7 drawbars, and not 9 like the upper manual? They leave out the 2 brown ones, which are the 16' and 5 1/3'. Thanks for any help. carlo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
Ron Bell
Did it have the start run switches? sounds like an M,M-2 or an M-3, because
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there switches are down below. But it can't be because of the tenth drawbar. I am stumped, i have never heard of a spinet with 10 drawbars. The reason hammond left out the brown drawbars on the spinets was to keep production costs down. Not having the two lowest drawbars meant that there could be less tonewheels in the generator. It was aimed at the home market, most people who purchased them were not familiar with organs so they did not miss them. also the highest drawbar plays two tones instead of one. I wonder if it was a tonewheel Hammond you were playing? Cheers, Ronnie. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" < I pose this question to all the Hammond experts, hoping to get an answer.13), the power toggle switches were located under the keyboards (not in the usual place), and it had a 10th drawbar, next to the 1' pitch. Anyone have any idea what model this was? not 9 like the upper manual? They leave out the 2 brown ones, which are the 16' and 5 1/3'.
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Carlo Pietroniro
I pose this question to all the Hammond experts, hoping to get an answer.
Now please bear with me here........ I played a Hammond spinet today. It had 2 44-note manuals, 12 pedals (not 13), the power toggle switches were located under the keyboards (not in the usual place), and it had a 10th drawbar, next to the 1' pitch. Anyone have any idea what model this was? One more question........ Why is it than on spinet models, the lower manual only has 7 drawbars, and not 9 like the upper manual? They leave out the 2 brown ones, which are the 16' and 5 1/3'. Thanks for any help. carlo |
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[hammond_zone] C 40 Teaser
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Raul,
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More C 40 pic's are on the way! I've got amp details this time. I spent the afternoon cleaning up the amps (they were really just dusty). I have one amp back in the cabinet. Haven't fired it up yet. There are 3 wax caps in each that look fine, but pretty scary (hand-rolled cardboard tube with stuff printed on it and dipped in clear candle wax!) I should really check the Can Caps, they're the dangerous ones! I've got some interesting (to me, anyway!) trivia details, too. The amps were contracted out to Webster Electric in Racine, Wis. There's a tag inside. Also, I've never seen hand-made resistors before. These are so old they don't have code stripes on them, just color splotches! The amp type is listed as: 6122A1 The slightly newer one Bill threw in for parts is made by the same place and looks identical, except for the different Cap Can, and the resistors, which look the same except they have stripes. But, the type is listed as: AO-2632-1 These things are just pristine! The china marker inspection marks inside are still clearly legible. Each solder joint had a dab of yellow paint on it as a QC check. All the tube sockets have the tube type embossed in white on the bakelite. Not one scratch in the black wrinkle paint anywhere. I'll send the pic's (along with BCV CG!!) as soon as I download them tomorrow night. Fun stuff! BCV-Ken -----Original Message----- |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Hey Raul!
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If we find anything still alive around Chicago, I can go pick it up. I'm only a few hours away. As far as tooling, what would there have really been? Are Tonewheels die-stamped? I haven't seen one out of its TG in so long I don't remember. There were probably stamping and forming dies for the TG and Pre-Amp chassis', but that's not really required. Maybe lathe patterns for legs and cabinet-piece templates, too. If we do a custom cabinet, we wouldn't need those. I don't think we want to repro the entire line, just B-3's, right? Well, maybe ALL the TG's used from about '34-'74, AO-28's, AO-15331's. Oh yeh! Molds for keys, Drawbar knobs, Vibrato knobs, Vibrato Scanner pieces would be nice, huh? Hmmmmmm... BCV-Ken -----Original Message----- |
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Re: [hammond_zone] eorg-l
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Great!
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Re: [hammond_zone] Need more Tequila!
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
OK, Wedding details (Remember, you asked for it!):
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Well, it was an old anonymous spinet piano with a wonderful bell-like tone (not the pipe organ), it was the theme from "An Affair to Remember", it was before the ceremony (the church organist had some very strict rules about how close to the ceremony "secular" music could be played), the organist played Bach before and after, I walked in under my own power, Dianne was waiting to walk down the aisle (she was peeking through the door while I played), the piano was off to one side of the altar up front with my back toward her (I had to ask her afterward if she got to see me play), the quietest notes on the piano carried through the whole church, I couldn't remember how to play a D7-9 chord to save my life, two of the dresses got left behind 45 minutes away from the church (Grandmother of the Bride's and junior Bridesmaid's -- "I thought YOU had them!" "I ASKED you if you had the dresses." "I thought you meant OUR dresses!" "NO!"), I stood around outside for eons waiting for my cue to play while my wife's Uncle Foghorn Leghorn told "blue" jokes to the Priest ("Have you heard the one about the Priest, the Rabbi and the Hooker in Tijuana? Listen to me when I'm talkin' to ya, son!"), I stood around outside for still more eons sweating and smoking waiting for the dresses to arrive while the organist played the entire Bach catalog, I had ringlets in all the wedding pictures, we had a white 1960 Cadillac limo, when we left the church in the Caddy my wife finished the tequila and drank almost an entire bottle of Ballatore and then made the driver go through McDonald's for a Fun Meal but was somehow miraculously dead sober when we arrived at the reception hall, the DJ blind-folded me and tied my hands behind my back before I had to take Dianne's garter off prior to the toss, I reprised my performance for just Dianne on an ancient upright piano in the hallway at the reception hall (and played it straight-through perfect!), and we had a really great time! Congratulations! You've now all been to our Wedding. BCV-Ken -----Original Message----- |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
Raul de Jalapeno
Thanks, Ron. Loss of the tooling is an inconvience more than anything. I know some of the zoners have been around a long time and have known some of the Hammond workers and engineers. A check of those remaining sources may turn up something also. Nonetheless, Ron, if I see the patents are clear, I just may take action to secure them then figure out how to put it together. It'll take many prople and lot's of work and it won't pay anything. But that's OK. It's about keeping parts alive for our rigs. I'll start searching. Thanks.
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Raul ----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Bell To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob Hi Randy, Have a look through the Hamtech Archives, I remember reading about the patents awhile ago, I also remember somthing about most of the tooling equipment beeing destroyed. I'll poke around the WWW and see what I can find. Cheers, Ron Bell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul de Jalapeno" < > Casey > I still think we should check out the patent for expiration then find us a Chicago man to hunt down the jigs and tools. I'll set up shop and build those suckers. I'm already in negotiations with a transformer engineer to wind high-quality iron for my amps, so why not a tonewheel manufactory? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
Laddie Williams
Okay Casey and all the rest of you guys..
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What do you think a B-3 that is still in the original carton should be worth. The carton has never been opened. I am very serious. It is for sale. I believe it was built in 1973. Serial number of the B-3 is 365127 If you can think of a serious buyer, please contact me. Laddie ----- Original Message -----
From: Raul de Jalapeno To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob Casey I still think we should check out the patent for expiration then find us a Chicago man to hunt down the jigs and tools. I'll set up shop and build those suckers. I'm already in negotiations with a transformer engineer to wind high-quality iron for my amps, so why not a tonewheel manufactory? Raul ----- Original Message ----- From: kcbass1 To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob I understand the Hamm rep being rude a little bit, when people ask about my ex wife(B3), I get a little offended because I have a new wife(New B3). I`m just hoping he was referring "people like you" to mean hobbyist as opposed to being a institution. I think it`s us hobbyist that keeping interest in the darn thing alive. Hammond- Suzuki better wake up and smell the latte`. Don`t they know I would do just about anything for a one hundred pound B3 with tonewheels and tubes? Casey --- In hammond_zone@y..., zakemo@A... wrote: > Hey Casey, > Don't hold your breath for those tone wheels. The rep at NAMM was down > right rude when I jokingly asked about bringing back the tone wheels and > tubes. Made some comment to the effect, "If we did, how would people like you > be able to afford them?" Great PR! OHF Bob > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: drawbar settings
Ron Bell
Those are the post numbers, go to the messages section of the group, and
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type the number in the box that says Msg. #. Cheers Ron ----- Original Message -----
From: "Laddie Williams" <laddieray@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: drawbar settings Dial up like how! |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: drawbar settings
Laddie Williams
Dial up like how!
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From: tonewheelken To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: drawbar settings Hi Edyth Dial up number 5984 5985 5986 for drawbwar selections KeyboardKen --- In hammond_zone@y..., "edythe poole" <B3SWINGIN@H...> wrote: > pleeze! i would lve to see them! > > > >From: gdhiatt@a... > >Reply-To: hammond_zone@y... > >To: hammond_zone@y... > >Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] drawbar settings > >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:23:06 EST > > > >In a message dated 2/28/02 8:23:09 PM Central Standard Time, > >organist@t... writes: > > > > > > > I have a dictionary of Hammond organ stops, which includes settings for > >all > > > the traditional organ stops. If anyone's interested, I can post some of > > > them. > > > >Please do, thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at . Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] BBC Radio 4
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Daz,
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It was quite an experience -- I played at my own wedding. And the half-pint of tequila I drank prior should have been a fifth, I think! But, it's a memory that'll last a lifetime. BCV-KG -----Original Message-----
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