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Re: [hammond_zone] Attempting a removal of a Casavant, Gaining a C3
I.H. Smith
congratulations. Way to go. May the probable frustrations bring you great
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joy and peace in accomplishment. ----- Original Message -----
From: "rcvmo" <rcvmo@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:57 AM Subject: [hammond_zone] Attempting a removal of a Casavant, Gaining a C3 While visiting Elderly realatives that are the elders in a Methodist |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Attempting a removal of a Casavant, Gaining a C3
Laddie Williams
Jimmy, I cry big tears over the pipe... Althought a dedicated Hammond lover, if I had a big space and a lot of
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money there would be a pipe. ----- Original Message -----
From: rcvmo To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: [hammond_zone] Attempting a removal of a Casavant, Gaining a C3 While visiting Elderly realatives that are the elders in a Methodist Church in Cinci, Oh., that the doors are being closed due to declining congregation, I had the opportunity to take a good look at a Casavant Pipe Organ that is said to be at least 150 yrs old. The organ is still in working condition, but nobody wants to even attempt the dissassembly of the beast since the rank section of the organ is part of the back wall and would require great amounts of carpentry to make the removal almost nearly impossible. I was able to recover a Hammond C3, along the help with my relatives , which we had to dissassemble and use a come-along to drop the organ from the choir loft, and taken to their home next door. Unfortunately, while an electrician was removing a chandelier, one of the chains broke and sent the 100 pound fixture crashing to it's death upon the entire C3. While glass is still embedded in the C's woodwork , the C is still ok, let alone for a few broken keys, and drawbars. The C was taken to the home next door, and as of now, a very young relative of mine, 14, began removing the upper section of the organ and began assessing the dammage. Looks like a lot of work for the young man, but looks like we may have a new memeber shortly, as he became vey interested in the mechanical structure of the beast. Now try to imagine all of us taking parts of the C up the 3 flights of very narrow stairs of the home. We're talking about the old Victorian homes of the Northside district of Cinci. It's sad to see an era of what was once a 400 member congregation just dwindle to 25 members, in just a few short years. I recall, in my younger years witnessing my cousins, Aunt's and Uncle's celebrate Baptism's , wedding's, anniversay's and passing's from this church. At least I will know that from the passing of one era, there is a new beginning with the love for Liturgical music in this day and age. I will be watching with pride as my Cousin Joey begins his musical career. Jimmy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] hammond quiz questions in error???
Chris,
You are correct... I did not notice that part of the answers, (17) The 132 series is a spinet instead of a console and I *think* the 2nd set of drawbars on a B-3000 are not based on flutes. They are considered "strings" on that model but. they may still be based on flute harmonics. ??? I believe it is an earlier production model than the 132 series, Not sure about the above, Bill... In a message dated 3/3/2002 2:14:04 PM Central Standard Time, chris@... writes: You've used "i" as the answer to two questions, correct answer to 20 is "n" |
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ss relais
Gandert De Boo
Hi,
I guess you guys were right about the ss relais. When I asked for more details, it appeared to be worthless to a leslie. I had another question. I read on the E.I.S. page By changing to a three position switch, or adding a second switch you can have fast, slow, off, brake and coast. fast,slow and off I DO understand, but what about brake and coast? Gandert |
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Attempting a removal of a Casavant, Gaining a C3
rcvmo
While visiting Elderly realatives that are the elders in a Methodist
Church in Cinci, Oh., that the doors are being closed due to declining congregation, I had the opportunity to take a good look at a Casavant Pipe Organ that is said to be at least 150 yrs old. The organ is still in working condition, but nobody wants to even attempt the dissassembly of the beast since the rank section of the organ is part of the back wall and would require great amounts of carpentry to make the removal almost nearly impossible. I was able to recover a Hammond C3, along the help with my relatives , which we had to dissassemble and use a come-along to drop the organ from the choir loft, and taken to their home next door. Unfortunately, while an electrician was removing a chandelier, one of the chains broke and sent the 100 pound fixture crashing to it's death upon the entire C3. While glass is still embedded in the C's woodwork , the C is still ok, let alone for a few broken keys, and drawbars. The C was taken to the home next door, and as of now, a very young relative of mine, 14, began removing the upper section of the organ and began assessing the dammage. Looks like a lot of work for the young man, but looks like we may have a new memeber shortly, as he became vey interested in the mechanical structure of the beast. Now try to imagine all of us taking parts of the C up the 3 flights of very narrow stairs of the home. We're talking about the old Victorian homes of the Northside district of Cinci. It's sad to see an era of what was once a 400 member congregation just dwindle to 25 members, in just a few short years. I recall, in my younger years witnessing my cousins, Aunt's and Uncle's celebrate Baptism's , wedding's, anniversay's and passing's from this church. At least I will know that from the passing of one era, there is a new beginning with the love for Liturgical music in this day and age. I will be watching with pride as my Cousin Joey begins his musical career. Jimmy |
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Re: [hammond_zone] hammond quiz
Hi folks,
If you look real close, there are a few mistakes in the answers with this quiz. Not sure about some of the technical points but, for example, (18) I think the early M, M-2 and M-3 had a pedal sustain (Pedal Legato) This was prior to the M-100 procusction. (20) The question about non-vibrato self contained ... The X-66 was not self contained. The R-100 was. I believe there are others... Look real close. Bill Giardina In a message dated 3/3/2002 12:57:38 PM Central Standard Time, bottomline@... writes: Ok freaks, |
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Re: [hammond_zone] leslie 251
In a message dated 3/3/2002 2:10:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
laddieray@... writes: Yes.. he will, but he will want a fortune for it.. He quoted me $1800.00Actually, that's not a bad price, assuming it's in good shape and you're getting the cable too ... figure $100+ for shipping, $200 for the A-100 hook-up box (you can get those from Goff for $165 or so), and $100 for the cable... that puts the price down to $1400 or so - I don't think that's unreasonable for a relatively-rare 251 Leslie in good-condition. Your mileage may vary. Doug |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Church Sound?
Carlo
I wouldn't let us Hammond snobs worry you any,I play a(Oh myGod)L-100 spinet and love it.It would be nice to go lower on the manuals and pedals but it is achallenge to work around the limitations.I love to hear apipe organ properly set and played but for home use and small churches the Hammond consoles are hard to beat.Can they be set to approxamate a pipe organ? Yes but it takes some know how and open ears and mind to tear ones self away from the "classic" Hammond sound.The Leslie does help to open up the sound spectrum of the otherwise strangled sound of a Hammond.So if by some chanch the organs you have heard used a P-40 cabinet the sound did not come close to what it can be. God bless The Old Guy |
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Re: [hammond_zone] RT-2
Raul de Jalapeno
Hang in there, Sam. i'll be down in a couple of weeks to lend moral support.
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From: robbidobbi@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 10:57 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] RT-2 Well I spent most of the day trying to clean this RT-2. A couple of the wires had been cut on the pedal board. I soldered them back i just hope i got the right wires to the right contact??? i guess i will know if this thing gets going and the sound is wrong. there was a thick wire cord that went from the main power box where the power cord plugs in and i assume that this thick cord with a 5 pin thing was were the hammond tone cabinet was plugged in??? the wires were so cracked and bad and i didn't think it would be used so i took the whole thing out. I also think that i will replace the main cord going from that box to the main with a better cord. I was taking the keys out to clean them and one of the metal bars broke where you screw it in. I guess i will have to find a replacement. looks like that roaches and gecko lizards were living in there at some time. lots of signs and droppings!!!!! yuck!!!! the cabinet is going to have to be redone where do i start? do i strip it or sand it or what??? the finish is completly gone. Boy this thing is really turning in to a lot of work!!! and i haven't even touched the leslie yet and it's just as bad. oh well i so enjoy doing it and it is a challenge. any tips or helps would be appreciated. sam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: going the 'other' way......
Raul de Jalapeno
Welcome aboard, Jim!!
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From: jamesrhampton To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: going the 'other' way...... Hi, newcommer to the group here. Couldn't resist getting into this one ... Having had a 'couple' of Hammonds - A-100, B-3, M-3, M-100, Aurora Classic, four X-66s, X-77, several Leslies .... (now down to only two X-66s with matching tone cabinets plus 2 122s and a modified 251 Leslie modified to match the cable for most of the old Hammonds and the X-66s adapter - still preserving the reverb), I'd like to offer a thought ... a lot of making an organ sound like a different organ is how you use it. Believe me, an X-66 (quite modified) can sound like a fairly good theatre pipe organ as long as you recognize (and avoid) its' limitations; likewise a B-3 may sound similar to a pipe organ (avoiding its' limitations). Of course, one can pull registrations that pretty well give away the organs' identity - there is nothing like a B-3 with the second or third percussion screaming or the Leslies a hummin' away on tremelo! Likewise, throwing on a 4' vox and 8' tibia on a theatre pipe organ will quickly announce that it is NOT a Hammond. Likewise, a theatre organ can imitate a liturgical instrument - just avoid the giveaway registrations - and lay off of the trems. We won't delve into stylings (open harmony, block chords, glissandos, etc). I remember well a wedding. The bride and groom had a request. Son-of-a-gun, that pipe organ in the church had come from some theatre ... my, oh my .. look at the nice trems .. would have liked some percussions .. the bride and groom were REALLY pleased with the result. The priest didn't look quite so happy ... Oh well ... Jim Hampton --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@t...> wrote: > we've been talking about making Hammonds sound like pipe organs, what about the other way around. I can make my Rodgers 960 sound like a Hammond, by drawing all the flute stops, coupling everything to the GREAT at all pitches (sub, unison, super), and drawing all the tremulants. Rodgers organs have adjustable tremulants, which allow the organist to set them to their individual tastes. Usually though, I have them set at the same rate as a pipe organ.......very subtle. Of course, I can always hook up a Leslie to the organ, but that's verboten! > > carlo > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here,looke here, Have you seen this yet????
Raul de Jalapeno
Here! Hear! casey!
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From: kcbass1 To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here,looke here, Have you seen this yet???? -I was referring to the ad, not the New B3 itself. Until they come out with a B3 with tonewheels and tubes, I sticking to my XK2 and the original B3. Casey -- In hammond_zone@y..., zakemo@A... wrote: > Seen it, heard it...Glorified clone in a pretty box. OHF Bob > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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[hammond_zone] The Biggest Clone!
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Sorry, Charlie, but NOTHING sounds like a Hammond except a Hammond!
BCV-KG --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@t...> wrote:that's verboten! |
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Re: [hammond_zone] 'none' harmonic
I.H. Smith
That would be a pleasure, sorry can't. Welcome to the zone.
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From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] 'none' harmonic well, if you want to hear me play, come to Montreal, which is where Ilive. Right now, I preside over a 3-manual Casavant, at St. Patrick's basilica.
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Re: going the 'other' way......
jamesrhampton
Hi, newcommer to the group here. Couldn't resist getting into this
one ... Having had a 'couple' of Hammonds - A-100, B-3, M-3, M-100, Aurora Classic, four X-66s, X-77, several Leslies .... (now down to only two X-66s with matching tone cabinets plus 2 122s and a modified 251 Leslie modified to match the cable for most of the old Hammonds and the X-66s adapter - still preserving the reverb), I'd like to offer a thought ... a lot of making an organ sound like a different organ is how you use it. Believe me, an X-66 (quite modified) can sound like a fairly good theatre pipe organ as long as you recognize (and avoid) its' limitations; likewise a B-3 may sound similar to a pipe organ (avoiding its' limitations). Of course, one can pull registrations that pretty well give away the organs' identity - there is nothing like a B-3 with the second or third percussion screaming or the Leslies a hummin' away on tremelo! Likewise, throwing on a 4' vox and 8' tibia on a theatre pipe organ will quickly announce that it is NOT a Hammond. Likewise, a theatre organ can imitate a liturgical instrument - just avoid the giveaway registrations - and lay off of the trems. We won't delve into stylings (open harmony, block chords, glissandos, etc). I remember well a wedding. The bride and groom had a request. Son-of-a-gun, that pipe organ in the church had come from some theatre ... my, oh my .. look at the nice trems .. would have liked some percussions .. the bride and groom were REALLY pleased with the result. The priest didn't look quite so happy ... Oh well ... Jim Hampton --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@t...> wrote: we've been talking about making Hammonds sound like pipe organs,what about the other way around. I can make my Rodgers 960 sound like a Hammond, by drawing all the flute stops, coupling everything to the GREAT at all pitches (sub, unison, super), and drawing all the tremulants. Rodgers organs have adjustable tremulants, which allow the organist to set them to their individual tastes. Usually though, I have them set at the same rate as a pipe organ.......very subtle. Of course, I can always hook up a Leslie to the organ, but that's verboten!
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Re: [hammond_zone] Looke here,looke here, Have you seen this yet????
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
There's that sour note I was remembering!
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I know everybody has an opinion, but I think I'm with you on this one, Zak. BCV-KG -----Original Message----- |
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Re: [hammond_zone] BBC Radio 4
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Daz,
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Glad to hear your Dad is doing better...we knew he would be. Excellent thoughts on the Hammond / Leslie experience. I have that same feeling every time I fire up one of my Hammonds. Never had quite that same effect from any other organs, or instruments before. The closest I've come was playing the piano in a small cathedral with excellent accoustics. My wife and I got married there. They have an absolutely awesome 1900 pipe organ up in the nave, too. It's got a very transparent, Baroque sound. BCV-KG -----Original Message----- |
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Re: Looke here,looke here, Have you seen this yet????
-I was referring to the ad, not the New B3 itself. Until they come
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out with a B3 with tonewheels and tubes, I sticking to my XK2 and the original B3. Casey -- In hammond_zone@y..., zakemo@A... wrote:
Seen it, heard it...Glorified clone in a pretty box. OHF Bob |
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RT-2
Well I spent most of the day trying to clean this RT-2. A couple of the
wires had been cut on the pedal board. I soldered them back i just hope i got the right wires to the right contact??? i guess i will know if this thing gets going and the sound is wrong. there was a thick wire cord that went from the main power box where the power cord plugs in and i assume that this thick cord with a 5 pin thing was were the hammond tone cabinet was plugged in??? the wires were so cracked and bad and i didn't think it would be used so i took the whole thing out. I also think that i will replace the main cord going from that box to the main with a better cord. I was taking the keys out to clean them and one of the metal bars broke where you screw it in. I guess i will have to find a replacement. looks like that roaches and gecko lizards were living in there at some time. lots of signs and droppings!!!!! yuck!!!! the cabinet is going to have to be redone where do i start? do i strip it or sand it or what??? the finish is completly gone. Boy this thing is really turning in to a lot of work!!! and i haven't even touched the leslie yet and it's just as bad. oh well i so enjoy doing it and it is a challenge. any tips or helps would be appreciated. sam |
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Re: [hammond_zone] drawbar settings
Peter answered this wonderfully.
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As far as changing this feature away from the 9th drawbar on the B preset , I wouldn't do it if you want to "squabble" (800008888, and 4 "up" on the percussion.) You can do this registration on the A# preset too, but it is not exactly the same thing, Reference recordings for this: many Jimmy Smith tunes, "Satin Doll", "Mac the Knife", etc.etc..etc.. Squabbling is a term used to describe some of the techniques Errol Garner used on the piano and this is the Hammond adaptation of that. That's my best explanation. Linda jlc7184@... wrote: You know Linda i thought i had a problem with my a-100 when i |
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Re: [hammond_zone] BBC Radio 4
daz
Hi Darren,
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I think that you would need to explain that it is not just the swirling 'sound', but also the 'feeling' that is transmitted.... it is an overall captivation of your senses, which in turn sucks you into the music. If you listen to this tune played on any other instrument it just does not 'grab' you in the same way... it just HAS to be a played on a tonewheel Hammond. If it is played on anything else it doesn't breath life into the music, the Hammond/Leslie combination is alive, by that, I mean it animates the music. The sound 'moves' around, it is like a living thing, the tune is brought to life. That is the feeling that I get when playing the Hammond... sometimes I feel like the organ is playing me, does that sound ridiculous? I have been playing Hammonds now for 27 years (and my hands are killing me... LOL!) and still it sends shivers up my spine, I don't know of any other instrument that has that much effect on people. Even people who don't know what a Hammond organ is, will ask "what is that sound?" When asked "what sound?"... they can't describe it. The words... 'sombre'... 'crescendo'... 'emotional'... 'dark'... 'bright'... 'assault on your senses' may help in some way. In a way it is unfair of them to ask this of you, as you are being requested to comment on the emotions of other people. The 'Hammond' cannot be described... you have to hear and feel it. I once taught a deaf lady to play the organ. She was profoundly deaf in one ear and 90% in the other. She had a Yamaha and could 'feel' the music through the wooden floor in her lounge. One day, I had to bring her to my house as her organ had packed up. She was so enamoured with my Hammond/Leslie that she went out and bought her own the same day. The reason being, the 'feeling' she got from the rotating speaker actually brought tears (not kidding at all) to her eyes... I had never seen this emotion from her before. She had the Leslie speaker touching the bench and with having wooden floors, she said it was like the organ was 'singing' to her. Her name was Beryl, and has now sadly passed away. Sorry for the long mail, hope it helps in some way. PS... My Dad has picked up a lot over the last few days, his speech is returning now, so I feel I can now return to a semi-normal life and re-join the group. Thanks a lot for all the support expressed by all, it is good to know that there are so many people who care. Daz -----Original Message-----
From: tonewheeldude [mailto:darren@...] Sent: 28 February 2002 10:41 To: hammond_zone@... Subject: [hammond_zone] BBC Radio 4 I need a hand Guys and Girls, Alan Hall (BBC Radio 4) just called. He has a 20 minute program going out at the end of March about The Hammond Organ and the Song "A Whiter Shade of Pale". Gary Brooker will be on (pity Matthew Fisher wont be) Alan asked me to explain what it is about the Hammond Organ- to quote- 'that swirling sound' that makes this track so special. Here is the catch..I have two to three minutes to do it in. If you have any ideas how to concisely define the Hammond Sound in the context of "A Whiter Shade Of Pale" I would be realy gratefull of any ideas. I don't think I am the best choice realy, but I have a few ideas. Darren Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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