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Re: [hammond_zone] new member

Carlo Pietroniro
 

Allens made after they went 'digital' sound great. Even the older analog models have a pretty good sound. The ones with more than one computer are great!

carlo


Re: [hammond_zone] new member

Raul de Jalapeno
 

You said it, Laddie. What a unit!! All I want to know is, which drawer holds the Cummins TurboDiesel?

Raul

----- Original Message -----
From: Laddie Williams
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] new member


Jimmy,
The G-100 came almost in the middle of the B-3 era. It was first made in February of 1946 and they made the last one
in 1967. It appears to be a magnificient instrument. The G represented Grand and that word is probably appropriate. I am sure that many of us drawbar sliders and Leslie abusers wouild have some difficulty with no presets and no bars to play with.
It certainly would be a privilege for me to just hear it. I suspect many of us feel the same way.

Laddie
----- Original Message -----
From: rcvmo@...
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] new member


That sounds like an old church organ well before the B3 era. I have seen one
like that at a church here in SW Detroit. An old flame from years ago had a
Hammond quite like that one. It had a similar speaker cabinet, but had a
rotating sound to it, yet there were no rotating baffles or cones inside this
cabinet. It had the lushest, most prominent sound . The pedal seemed to have
too much delayed attack, and would not get to full volume on the short notes.
Sounds interesting.
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Re: [hammond_zone] new member

Carlo Pietroniro
 

the G-100 was Hammond's attempt to get the business of the people seeking the more traditional type of church organ, where at that time, those people were going to Allen and Rodgers, as well as other companies such as Baldwin. The G-100 is housed in a HUGE console, with traditional stop tabs, and the usual compliment of inter and intra-manual couplers. It also featured an antiphonal division, and a 32-note AGO pedalboard, which at the time, was only featured on one other Hammond, although that particular model escapes me right now. Another unique feature about the G-100, was the fact that it didn't have the usual power switches. It had a regular switch (on/off).

carlo


drawbar settings

Carlo Pietroniro
 

I have a dictionary of Hammond organ stops, which includes settings for all the traditional organ stops. If anyone's interested, I can post some of them.

carlo


Re: [hammond_zone] new member

Laddie Williams
 

How do you like the Allen for "church pipe organ sound?"

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlo Pietroniro
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] new member


I've played Rodgers, Allen, Baldwin, Hammond, Conn, Farfisa, Thomas, etc
You name it, I've played it!

If you know how the drawbars work, and know the harmonics involved with real pipe organ stops, then you can get a very realistic pipe organ quality sound. I've played Hammond organ in churches, where the people actually thought it was a pipe organ.

set the drawbars properlly
NEVER use the leslies on 'fast', always 'chorale' (slow)
never use those pre-set (they sound terrible)
be careful how you use the off-partials (black drawbars)

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Re: [hammond_zone] new member

Laddie Williams
 

Jimmy,
The G-100 came almost in the middle of the B-3 era. It was first made in February of 1946 and they made the last one
in 1967. It appears to be a magnificient instrument. The G represented Grand and that word is probably appropriate. I am sure that many of us drawbar sliders and Leslie abusers wouild have some difficulty with no presets and no bars to play with.
It certainly would be a privilege for me to just hear it. I suspect many of us feel the same way.

Laddie

----- Original Message -----
From: rcvmo@...
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] new member


That sounds like an old church organ well before the B3 era. I have seen one
like that at a church here in SW Detroit. An old flame from years ago had a
Hammond quite like that one. It had a similar speaker cabinet, but had a
rotating sound to it, yet there were no rotating baffles or cones inside this
cabinet. It had the lushest, most prominent sound . The pedal seemed to have
too much delayed attack, and would not get to full volume on the short notes.
Sounds interesting.
Jimmy





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Re: [hammond_zone] new member

Carlo Pietroniro
 

I've played Rodgers, Allen, Baldwin, Hammond, Conn, Farfisa, Thomas, etc
You name it, I've played it!

If you know how the drawbars work, and know the harmonics involved with real pipe organ stops, then you can get a very realistic pipe organ quality sound. I've played Hammond organ in churches, where the people actually thought it was a pipe organ.

set the drawbars properlly
NEVER use the leslies on 'fast', always 'chorale' (slow)
never use those pre-set (they sound terrible)
be careful how you use the off-partials (black drawbars)

carlo


Re: [hammond_zone] new member

Laddie Williams
 

My good musician wife is a bit jealous, and we wondered about space because it is so big. I have thought for many
years... did Hammond ever create a pipe sound? We have an A-100 and a Concorde 2100. The 2100 is a much more mellow organ, but pipe it is not, even with the built in leslie and chorus and othere tab patterns. I still cannot make it sound like
a pipe organ. My wife is not too happy about my wanting to get an Allen... we don't have room.... Have you played and Allen and how do the two compare? Oh! welcome to the group.

BTW the A-100 is about to acquite a Leslie so it can growl like the rest of them...

Laddie

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlo Pietroniro
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] new member


Well Laddie, it's been in my home for a while now. I figured out where to put it long ago. It's in my music room, right next to my 3-manual Rodgers 960

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Re: [hammond_zone] Looke here,looke here, Have you seen this yet????

Laddie Williams
 

Roland has a portable clone with optional foot pedals.. with a Leslie, it does remarkably well...

----- Original Message -----
From: Lyle C Felix
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Looke here,looke here, Have you seen this yet????


Now, why didn't I think of that. This new B3 could be really something.
But, as I think about the generator being a digital production of the
original B3 sound, I can only imagine that they are using a sampling
process. This method would mean that they are just cloning one of the
original tonewheel generators (all 96 pitches as they state).

Cloning the B3 sound digitally was done in the Super B prior to
Hammond/Suzuki and after the original Hammond organ Company was closed.
I had heard that the original Hammond company had done most of the
development but it was not completed until after the company was sold to
the gentleman in Australia. The Super B did not sell for very long. It
only sampled a very small portion of the full generator and we all know
that each and every tonewheel has it's own personality which creates the
unique unduplicatable sound of all tonewheel Hammonds. This fact left
the sound close in the center of the freq range but rather thin in the
bass and bright and somewhat sterile in the high end.

A very close friend of mine purchased a Super B right after it was
introduced. Because of the shortcomings and to reproduce the Lenny Dee
sound, we have done much modification to it. The modifications we have
done include; echo, key click (we could not find any key click in the
sampling), additional channels of amplification for backgrounds and
personal taste (it has it's own Leslie which matches the styling of the
console) and much tailoring of the voicing to develop the original B3
with a 122 Leslie tube warmth. We were able to get the sound so close to
the B3/122 that only the most critical ear might know that it was not a
B3/122.

If I can ever get approved to sign onto the Hammond_Zone site, I could
upload some pictures. We also have produced about 360 minutes of
recordings and I might get authorization to upload some samples onto the
site.

I am really looking forward to seeing and hearing this new B3.

Lyle,
Hammond Master Tech


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Re: [hammond_zone] G-100 Specifications

Carlo Pietroniro
 

yes Alex, I'm classically trained, and yes I love my Hammond G-100. It's a wonderful organ. From what I know, the G-100's were not sold along with the other models. You had to order one....

carlo


Re: [hammond_zone] G-100 Specifications

 

bl@@dy hell Carlo!!!! (: - respect for having the
space for this beast! Are you generally a classical
player, and if so would you admit to liking the
machine? If so I must copy your reply to a good number
of "pipe only" types!

Cheers,
Alex


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Incredible... where are you going to put it?&nbsp; It
must shake the walls and ceiling!<BR>

&nbsp; ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
&nbsp; From: Carlo Pietroniro <BR>
&nbsp; To: Hammond Zone <BR>
&nbsp; Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:04 PM<BR>
&nbsp; Subject: [hammond_zone] G-100
Specifications<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; for those interested, here's a complete
stop-list for my G-100.<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; Hammond G-162<BR>
&nbsp; Serial Number 106<BR>
&nbsp; Volts AC 117<BR>
&nbsp; Cycles 60<BR>
&nbsp; VA 1300<BR>
&nbsp; Manufacture date 1965<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; 2 61-note manual<BR>
&nbsp; 32-note AGO lighted pedalboard<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; PEDAL<BR>
&nbsp; Contra Bourdon 32<BR>
&nbsp; Gedeckt 16<BR>
&nbsp; Bourdon 16<BR>
&nbsp; Violone 16<BR>
&nbsp; Principal 8<BR>
&nbsp; Gedeckt 8<BR>
&nbsp; Super Octave 4<BR>
&nbsp; Trompette 8<BR>
&nbsp; GREAT to PEDAL 8<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL to PEDAL 8<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL to PEDAL 4<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL<BR>
&nbsp; Geigen Diapason 16<BR>
&nbsp; Bourdon 16<BR>
&nbsp; Diapason 8<BR>
&nbsp; Geigen Principal 8<BR>
&nbsp; Concert Flute 8<BR>
&nbsp; Aeoline 8<BR>
&nbsp; Dulciana Celeste II<BR>
&nbsp; Gamba 8<BR>
&nbsp; Octave 4<BR>
&nbsp; Gedeckt 4<BR>
&nbsp; Nazard 2 2/3<BR>
&nbsp; Flautino 2<BR>
&nbsp; Tierce 1 3/5<BR>
&nbsp; Larigot 1 1/3<BR>
&nbsp; Mixture III<BR>
&nbsp; Vox Humana 8<BR>
&nbsp; Oboe 8<BR>
&nbsp; Clarinet 8<BR>
&nbsp; Clarion 4<BR>
&nbsp; Tremulant<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL to SWELL 16<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL UNISON OFF<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL to SWELL 4<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; ANTIPHONAL (on SWELL, affected by SWELL
couplers)<BR>
&nbsp; Open Diapason 8<BR>
&nbsp; Gedeckt 8<BR>
&nbsp; Salicional 8<BR>
&nbsp; Viola da Gamba 8<BR>
&nbsp; Gemshorn Celeste II<BR>
&nbsp; Flauto D'Amore 4<BR>
&nbsp; English Horn 8<BR>
&nbsp; Trumpet 8<BR>
&nbsp; Tremulant<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; GREAT<BR>
&nbsp; Bourdon 16<BR>
&nbsp; Open Diapason 8<BR>
&nbsp; Melodia 8<BR>
&nbsp; Gross Flute 8<BR>
&nbsp; Dulciana 8<BR>
&nbsp; Cello 8<BR>
&nbsp; Octave 4<BR>
&nbsp; Gedeckt 4<BR>
&nbsp; Nazard 2 2/3<BR>
&nbsp; Fifteenth 2<BR>
&nbsp; Mixture IV<BR>
&nbsp; Trumpet 8<BR>
&nbsp; Harp<BR>
&nbsp; Chimes<BR>
&nbsp; Tremulant<BR>
&nbsp; GREAT to GREAT 16<BR>
&nbsp; GREAT UNISON OFF<BR>
&nbsp; GREAT to GREAT 4<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL to GREAT 16<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL to GREAT 8<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL to GREAT 4<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; 6 General pistons &amp; toe studs<BR>
&nbsp; 5 SWELL pistons<BR>
&nbsp; 5 GREAT pistons<BR>
&nbsp; GREAT to PEDAL toe stud<BR>
&nbsp; Sforzando piston &amp; toe stud<BR>
&nbsp; General Cancel<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; SHOES<BR>
&nbsp; GREAT/PEDAL<BR>
&nbsp; SWELL/ANTIPHONAL<BR>
&nbsp; CRESCENDO<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; TONE CABINETS<BR>
&nbsp; 3 treble cabinets, each containing 4 12-inch
speakers<BR>
&nbsp; 1 bass cabinet, containing 1 15-inch
speaker<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp; As you can see, it's not your typical Hammond.
I think it has a great sound!<BR>
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Re: [hammond_zone] G-100 Specifications

Laddie Williams
 

Incredible... where are you going to put it? It must shake the walls and ceiling!

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlo Pietroniro
To: Hammond Zone
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:04 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] G-100 Specifications


for those interested, here's a complete stop-list for my G-100.

Hammond G-162
Serial Number 106
Volts AC 117
Cycles 60
VA 1300
Manufacture date 1965

2 61-note manual
32-note AGO lighted pedalboard

PEDAL
Contra Bourdon 32
Gedeckt 16
Bourdon 16
Violone 16
Principal 8
Gedeckt 8
Super Octave 4
Trompette 8
GREAT to PEDAL 8
SWELL to PEDAL 8
SWELL to PEDAL 4

SWELL
Geigen Diapason 16
Bourdon 16
Diapason 8
Geigen Principal 8
Concert Flute 8
Aeoline 8
Dulciana Celeste II
Gamba 8
Octave 4
Gedeckt 4
Nazard 2 2/3
Flautino 2
Tierce 1 3/5
Larigot 1 1/3
Mixture III
Vox Humana 8
Oboe 8
Clarinet 8
Clarion 4
Tremulant
SWELL to SWELL 16
SWELL UNISON OFF
SWELL to SWELL 4

ANTIPHONAL (on SWELL, affected by SWELL couplers)
Open Diapason 8
Gedeckt 8
Salicional 8
Viola da Gamba 8
Gemshorn Celeste II
Flauto D'Amore 4
English Horn 8
Trumpet 8
Tremulant

GREAT
Bourdon 16
Open Diapason 8
Melodia 8
Gross Flute 8
Dulciana 8
Cello 8
Octave 4
Gedeckt 4
Nazard 2 2/3
Fifteenth 2
Mixture IV
Trumpet 8
Harp
Chimes
Tremulant
GREAT to GREAT 16
GREAT UNISON OFF
GREAT to GREAT 4
SWELL to GREAT 16
SWELL to GREAT 8
SWELL to GREAT 4

6 General pistons & toe studs
5 SWELL pistons
5 GREAT pistons
GREAT to PEDAL toe stud
Sforzando piston & toe stud
General Cancel

SHOES
GREAT/PEDAL
SWELL/ANTIPHONAL
CRESCENDO

TONE CABINETS
3 treble cabinets, each containing 4 12-inch speakers
1 bass cabinet, containing 1 15-inch speaker

As you can see, it's not your typical Hammond. I think it has a great sound!

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Re: [hammond_zone] new member

Carlo Pietroniro
 

Well Laddie, it's been in my home for a while now. I figured out where to put it long ago. It's in my music room, right next to my 3-manual Rodgers 960

carlo


Re: [hammond_zone] new member

Laddie Williams
 

Gee... we have a G???? Oh! wow! Where are you going to put it?

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlo Pietroniro
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] new member


Thanks for the welcome Jimmy. It's obvious by your question that you've never heard of the famous G-100..............

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Re: A Whiter Shade Of Pale

 

PS do you have a URL for Matthew Fisher's web site?
Don't think I've seen that one?

Cheers,
Alex

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I've also read the same on a 'site somewhere. <BR>
<BR>
Just having listened to the track, I see no reason
why<BR>
the rumours couldn't be true....The M certainly
sounds<BR>
great with my uncool (900) Leslie so with the
147/122<BR>
it must be tops. The B/C is a must if you want<BR>
reasonably low bass with your LH however, no way<BR>
around that one; although the M's &amp; L's can still
do<BR>
99% of the same sounds if you;re not worried about
the<BR>
bottom octave.... <BR>
Cheers, Alex<BR>
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Hi all fellow Hammondeers!<BR><BR>
<BR><BR>
If you look at Matthew Fisher's web site he states<BR>
quite categorically<BR><BR>
that the organ used on this track was indeed an M<BR>
series organ, an M102<BR><BR>
if I remember correctly. <BR><BR>
<BR><BR>
A friend of mine used to do organ club gigs on an
L100<BR>
with a 145 Leslie<BR><BR>
and also he had a regular gig at a restaurant
called<BR>
the &amp;quot;Fleur De Lys&amp;quot;<BR><BR>
near Walsall England and it became a bit of a
mecca<BR>
for organ nuts, the<BR><BR>
organ there was an L100 with a 122 Leslie and very<BR>
good it sounded too,<BR><BR>
he produced some pretty good bluesy sounds and<BR>
although no1t up to the<BR><BR>
standard of the C3 or B3 it was easier to carry
around<BR>
split than the C<BR><BR>
or B would have been.<BR><BR>
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Best Wishes to all.<BR><BR>
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Re: A Whiter Shade Of Pale

 

I've also read the same on a 'site somewhere.

Just having listened to the track, I see no reason why
the rumours couldn't be true....The M certainly sounds
great with my uncool (900) Leslie so with the 147/122
it must be tops. The B/C is a must if you want
reasonably low bass with your LH however, no way
around that one; although the M's & L's can still do
99% of the same sounds if you;re not worried about the
bottom octave....
Cheers, Alex
--- Amanda Hambidge <m0dzo@...> wrote:
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<BR>
Hi all fellow Hammondeers!<BR>
<BR>
If you look at Matthew Fisher's web site he states
quite categorically<BR>
that the organ used on this track was indeed an M
series organ, an M102<BR>
if I remember correctly. <BR>
<BR>
A friend of mine used to do organ club gigs on an L100
with a 145 Leslie<BR>
and also he had a regular gig at a restaurant called
the "Fleur De Lys"<BR>
near Walsall England and it became a bit of a mecca
for organ nuts, the<BR>
organ there was an L100 with a 122 Leslie and very
good it sounded too,<BR>
he produced some pretty good bluesy sounds and
although no1t up to the<BR>
standard of the C3 or B3 it was easier to carry around
split than the C<BR>
or B would have been.<BR>
<BR>
Best Wishes to all.<BR>
<BR>
Amanda Hambidge<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Re: [hammond_zone] new member

 

In a message dated 2/28/02 10:26:02 PM Central Standard Time,
organist@... writes:


I'd love to get into a discussion about Allen organs (and others), but this
is a Hammond list, so I'll bite my tongue...............

Go ahead I'm interested. George


Re: [hammond_zone] drawbar settings

 

In a message dated 2/28/02 8:23:09 PM Central Standard Time,
organist@... writes:


I have a dictionary of Hammond organ stops, which includes settings for all
the traditional organ stops. If anyone's interested, I can post some of
them.
Please do, thanks!


Re: [hammond_zone] new member

 

In a message dated 2/28/02 7:52:18 PM Central Standard Time,
laddieray@... writes:


My wife is not too happy about my wanting to get an Allen... we don't have
room.... Have you played and Allen and how do the two compare?
Allens are wonderful, and there's a nice one on Ebay for about $5,000. I
play on an Allen twice a week for church services and thoroughly enjoy
it...It's a nice instalation, probably around $40,000 when it was new.

George


Re: [hammond_zone] What th...

zeyen
 

mackintosh !!! why don't u go back to canada ??!!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:25 PM
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What???
----- Original Message -----
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Meilleur ask ma femme ou is Belge to subscribe la list as bien 'cause
???a is getting a morceau out de control...

Merde my tete hurts

t40deux


--- In hammond_zone@y..., "Raul de Jalapeno" <raul_de_jalapeno@h...>
wrote:
> Votre un homme d'int???grit???, Eric! Aucune violation n'a ???t???
signifi???e. Il est juste que les personnes comme moi qui apprennent
juste ??? jouer, mais savoir(conna???tre) l'???lectronique de Hammonds tr???s
bien, veulent vous tenir qui ???tes de vrais musiciens sonnant bons.
And yes, use the polypros.
>
> Raul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric DRUTEL
> To: hammond_zone@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:27 PM
> Subject: [hammond_zone] M101 VS C3 and the winner is....
>
>
> Ok OK OK OK OK OK DEAR ZONNERS,
>
> In France we have that expression who said... only
> idiot people won t change their ways...in french, y a
> que les cons qui ne changent pas d avis.
>
> Ok, so, i will recap the generator...
> With polypro caps? that right?
>
> Take care
> Eric
>
>
>
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