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-----Original Message-----
From: Gandert De Boo [mailto:bottomline@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:44 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] leslie 760 amp


Chris,

I guess I want to much. If you say the 760 amp sound fine, I just
have to believe you. I never heard one! OK I will focus from now
on to fix the 760 amp.
But first what is the most common think to look for in a broken
760 amp? And how can I connect it to the 26-1 kit(leslie 125).
The motorswitching has almost been taken care of(thanks for that
info on the capacitors BTW). But I will need the +30v for the
crossover, AC for the amp and a signal from the hammond poweramp.
Won't this signal from the poweramp be too loud?

Gandert
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Clifton
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] leslie 760 amp


Gandert,
If you want to make your 760 sound exactly like a 122, then
you'll need a 40
watt tube amp, and a 16 ohm bass driver and crossover to match.
If I was
you I'd take the easy route and repair the 760, which is a pretty good
sound, and put the tube amp conversion on a back burner until I
could find
the right parts for the job.
Chris Clifton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gandert De Boo" <bottomline@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] leslie 760 amp


> Chris,
>
> You got a point there. I also am a guitar player. And indeed
nothing beats
my fender twin especially a hifi amp. Bu what should i buy
then? There were
people on the zone that by replacing the 760 amp with a tube
amp you could
have a real nice sounding leslie. What amp is meant here?
>



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-----Original Message-----
From: Ale overdrive Pozzi [mailto:Zanna1974@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:10 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] Quatermass band



Hi from Italy,

I've just finished to listen a great prog work, dated 1970. It's
performed
by Quatermass from the omonimous album.
Do you know this album? Someone else of you heared it? It's superb! The
Hammond sound and tecnique are amazing. I think that it should be
considered
a prog masterpiece. If you haven't got it...buy or copy it! This is a
must-have for the Hammond army!! :)
What a Hammond hell there...ciao Ale

Ouch! the organist was Peter Robinson.

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-----Original Message-----
From: ronbell145 [mailto:worthogis@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:05 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Quatermass band


I copied this from the Gibralter encyclopedia of prog rock. I have
never heard of them before but it is definatley on "to get" list now.
Here is the link to the encyclopedia,


Power trio of keyboard, bass and drums. Straddling the line between
hard rock and prog, there's a little something here to appease fans
of both styles. Keyboards apparently just piano and organ, with the
latter being especially hot-wired to make the keyboardists' style
resemble Frumpy keyboardist Jean-Jacques Kravetz, or perhaps Dave
Stewart at his most maniacal (see "Dreams Wide Awake" for an
example). He can lash out at his organ with a recklessness that puts
Emerson to shame, listen to the solo on "Post War, Saturday Echo" if
you don't believe me. Bass player John Gustafson (pre-Roxy Music)
sings in a uncontrolled, manic voice that can often sound gut-
wrenching. A couple of tracks (the ballad "Good Lord Knows" and the
lengthy jam-orientated "Laughin' Tackle" include massed strings. --
Mike Ohman
Heavy prog. Features Peter Robinson, later of Brand X. Robinson's
organ is predominant instrument.
Just a snippet about Quatermass, a band I just had cause to look up:
it may amuse GEPR users to know that bassist John (then "Johnny")
Gustafson began his career in a sub-Beatles, matching suits-and-ties
type beat "combo" called The Big Three. There were, indeed, three
of 'em - clearly trios were his thing. -- Roger Thomas


Cheers,
Ron Bell.



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-----Original Message-----
From: felix-at-home@... [mailto:felix-at-home@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:53 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] CV and two tone cabiniets


Hi Brian,

Don't offer him very much for the lot, you don't know what is wrong with
any of the equipment and it all may only be a source of parts. If the
organ and TC's are worth so much to him, why is he storing them in a
shed? As a point of info, a very good friend just bought an excellent B3
in great working order that included a PR40 for less than $2000.00. That
was the retail price. I would have to look at the equipment in a warmed
up situation before I would offer anything and at that point, I may not
be willing to pay more than $400.00. And, that would be in working
condition with everything there and not poorly cared for. I would be
very cautious and I am a Hammond Master Tech who knows what is going on.

Lyle


On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:15:09 -0500 "Brian Williams"
<brotherbrianwilliams@...> writes:

Hey everyone I just found a hammond cv with two tone cabinets. The
organ
itself is in excellent condition other than a couple water marks on
the top
from plants.

The one tone cabinet is a pr-40 and the other is a tall tone
cabinet. I
have never saw it before so I wouldn't know what it is. I know
enough that
it is not a 31h Leslie so does anyone know what kind of tone cabinet
this
is???

The man had it out in his shedd and we just had a huge snow storm so
it was
like ice out there. The tone generator fired but no sound from the
organ.
I thought it was just too cold out for it to work

My question to all you zoners is how much is this thing worth???
The man
said he would take $900 for it. I am a college student looking for
some
extra money so I would want to sell it when I bought it. DO you
think this
is a good deal and is it worth it???

appreciate your response

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-----Original Message-----
From: gdhiatt@... [mailto:gdhiatt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:50 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] CV and two tone cabiniets


In a message dated 2/27/02 3:19:38 PM Central Standard Time,
NCMountainDavis@... writes:

I agree with Lyle. I'm very familier with CV/BVs and 900.00 bucks is a
stretch even if everything works...Eddie

Okay, I must be wrong... I thought it was a deal! I'm learning! George






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-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Stroupe [mailto:fstroupe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:40 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] Another proud parent


Add another proud parent of a tonewheel organ. I bought a
beautiful M-147 last night. Wasn't positive if I was going to
buy it until
I walked on the front porch of the previous owner. I stood there
listening
to him play it for a few minutes, and that's all I needed. The case is in
perfect condition, haven't found a flaw. The Leslie 120 that came with it
also is in beautiful condition. The half-moon switches aren't even
scratched. The top of the bench was cleaned with something that it
shouldn't have, and took some of the lacquer off of it. It plays well,
though the buss bars are kind of dirty.

He didn't really want to part with it, though the A-102 and Model 47
Leslie he recently purchased will ease his sorrow.

Now just to learn how to play it.

Frank Stroupe
Myrtle, MS



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-----Original Message-----
From: Laddie Williams [mailto:laddieray@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:21 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Leslie speaker question


Good point.. Now that I think of it.. when I was a kid.. my mom's
tall Hammond speaker caught something afire that
got in it. I am warned!!
----- Original Message -----
From: felix-at-home@...
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Leslie speaker question


Hi Group,

Just as a bit of info on the design of early Hammonds and other
electronic equip with the amp in the tone cabinet as opposed to inside
the console.

In the early days of electronics it was common practice to put
the amp in
the TC because of several factors. The most important one being that old
style circuits generated a great amount of heat and there needed to be
much natural air flow and space in order to keep things cool above and
under the chassis. Can you imagine what would happen to an amp, such as
the type used in a C40, if mounted inside the closed console? It would
melt the wax off the caps, cook the tar out of the transformers and fry
in short order (or drive you away from the keyboard after playing a few
pieces) to say nothing of what all that heat would do to the rest of the
organ. Also, the power supply (B+ portion) generated the greatest
percentage of all the heat, thus the reason that it was in the TC on the
amp chassis. The reason for all the heat is that the power produced by
those old units, even though rated at 40 watts, was much higher than
today's 40 watt units and, yesterday's tube circuits weren't as
efficient
a design as today's are.

If you want to prove this to yourself, just look at the difference in
size of the tubes and other components over the years. With the old
tubes, it was necessary to provide area of glass for
dissipation of heat,
and plate size to prevent overheating and warping of the plates
and other
elements. The way that the early tubes heated up, one would get quite a
burn if touched with bare fingers, yet, many of the newest tubes can be
pulled from the socket by hand if you have tough fingers or a thin rag
for protection. The old tubes (type 2A3 and etc.) would start a rag
smoking and it could even start to smolder and burst into flame with
time. In addition, the older balanced circuit amps had twice as many
tubes per stage as today's circuits and only one stage per
envelope. The
heat developed in the circuitry of a BV/C40 is considerably more than
that produced by the circuitry in an A100 which is self contained and
doesn't require the old, higher power consuming amps, to drive the
speakers.

So, as can be seen, Hammond was not trying to corner the speaker/amp
market, it was building to the requirements of the era of design to say
nothing of the fact that the amp was designed to handle the heavy bass
requirements of an organ, a leaning more toward bass, instrument.

Lyle,
Hammond Master Tech

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:28:14 -0700 "Raul de Jalapeno"
<raul_de_jalapeno@...> writes:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gdhiatt@...
> To: hammond_zone@...
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Leslie speaker question
>
>
> Raul, so is this what you are saying: The B+ current comes BACK
> from the Tone
> cabinet to the pre-amp in the console? If thats so that's really
> interesting
> to me (I'm learning a lot)... Common sense would say that the
> power starts at
> the console (because that's what plugs into the wall) and goes to
> the tone
> cabinet... That's an interesting thought that a signal is going in
> the
> opposite direction.
> Yes. As was pointed out, hammond made sure you had to have a tone
> cabinet to make the console work so you wouldn't rush to use another
> manufacturer's amp.
>
> Is there another reason, from an engineering standpoint, why the
> amp would be in the tone cabinet instead of the console?
> My best guess is that they had to lighten it somehow and that was
> a good
> place to put it. Also in the "B" type consoles there isn't any
> place to put
> anything in there. I'm just wondering if having the amp away from
> the tone
> generator makes for a cleaner signal.
> Actually, George, the idea of getting the amp out of the console
> wasn't for weight or anything like that. In the '30s and 40s', many,
> many manufacturers of audio equipment would place their power amps
> near the speakers an run high-level preamp outputs over to the main
> amp. I think it's more the engineering of the time. You'll notice
> that while the B, C, and D kept to the pre-amp only scenario, the
> A-100, L-100, etc. had the amps in the console. All the spinets had
> internal power amps, I believe.
>
> Raul
>
> Thanks again for your ideas and comments.
>
> George
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: tonewheeldude [mailto:darren@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:35 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: What th...


Sorry guys...can we stick to English please?

Nothing against non english speaking folk, its simply that these
emails end up in english speaking mailbox's.

Hope you understand.

Darren



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-----Original Message-----
From: t402_owner [mailto:t402_owner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:00 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] What th...


Meilleur ask ma femme ou is Belge to subscribe la list as bien 'cause
???a is getting a morceau out de control...

Merde my tete hurts

t40deux


--- In hammond_zone@y..., "Raul de Jalapeno" <raul_de_jalapeno@h...>
wrote:

Votre un homme d'int???grit???, Eric! Aucune violation n'a ???t???

signifi???e. Il est juste que les personnes comme moi qui apprennent
juste ??? jouer, mais savoir(conna???tre) l'???lectronique de Hammonds tr???s
bien, veulent vous tenir qui ???tes de vrais musiciens sonnant bons.
And yes, use the polypros.

Raul
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric DRUTEL
To: hammond_zone@y...
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] M101 VS C3 and the winner is....


Ok OK OK OK OK OK DEAR ZONNERS,

In France we have that expression who said... only
idiot people won t change their ways...in french, y a
que les cons qui ne changent pas d avis.

Ok, so, i will recap the generator...
With polypro caps? that right?

Take care
Eric

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-----Original Message-----
From: e_flat4me [mailto:e_flat4me@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:58 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] re: nice leslie


youz guyz just dont know class when you see it !!!! would go well
with my black and pink 1962 A-102 (oh yeah and it's lime green bench)


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-----Original Message-----
From: jlc7184@... [mailto:jlc7184@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:20 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Many Thanks!


Daz,
My dad had the same thing happen.Was hard to see him like that
.But he worked
really hard and with the grace of god got through it.Support and
understanding goes a long way to recovery.


jeff


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-----Original Message-----
From: daddina@... [mailto:daddina@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:29 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] leslie 760 amp


In a message dated 2/26/2002 4:07:20 PM Central Standard Time,
chris@... writes:

Gandert,
If you want to make your 760 sound exactly like a 122, then

you'll need a

40
watt tube amp, and a 16 ohm bass driver and crossover to match.

If I was

you I'd take the easy route and repair the 760, which is a pretty good
sound, and put the tube amp conversion on a back burner until I

could find

the right parts for the job.
Chris Clifton

Gandert,

Chris really is telling you the facts as they are !! We
understand what you
are looking for..... but, he is sending you in the right direction,

I have been a dealer for 20+ years and the truth is..... If a group of
people were standing outside a door, or across a field at an
event, listening
to Hammond and Leslie with good player, most would not or could
not tell the
difference in the type of Leslie being used.... Truth is.....
Many would not
know if it was clone or Hammond..

I can already feel the heat of a few flames heading this way... :)

Chris will not mislead you or anyone about Hammonds...

I do wish you well in your quest for the "right sound".

Best regards,

Bill Giardina
Church Organ Center
1220 Thigpen Road
Raymond, MS 39154






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-----Original Message-----
From: Raul de Jalapeno [mailto:raul_de_jalapeno@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:02 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3


Ken,
That's 'cause this time of year where you live it's so cold your
fingers chatter on the manuals and make weird sounds.... In all
seriousness, though, some have asked "How can you duplicate the
LC match that Hammond set up at the factory with a cap kit?" The
answer is thus: You can't. The man who originally matched those
caps and coils has probably gone to worm. If I have a TG .1uF
paper (wax) cap that now measures .0001uF, would I be better off
retaining that cap simply because Hammond put it there or would I
be better off replacing the cap with a .1uF of better material
and chance a 2% tolerence in value? I think the answer is
obvious. BTW, I measured all the caps in my Goff kit and they
were within .01% of stated value. I'll bet any day that a 40 year
old Hammond with new caps will sound better all around than one
with old paper "wax" caps. Just time and physics at work.

Raul
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3


I think my A-100 needs about a dozen RC kits! I get a lot of crosstalk
between the Tonewheels. Of course with some of the stuff I
play, it's not
really that noticable!

BCV-KG

-----Original Message-----
From: daddina@... [mailto:daddina@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:09 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] nice leslie


In a message dated 2/26/2002 11:05:55 PM Central Standard Time,
gdhiatt@... writes:

I'm polite to the elderly....

Yessssssss, you are... Ken, I just couldn't help it... :)

Love ya'll,

Bill....






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-----Original Message-----
From: gdhiatt@... [mailto:gdhiatt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:02 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] nice leslie


In a message dated 2/26/02 9:20:12 PM Central Standard Time,
godfreys5@... writes:

You could restyle your DXR-20 the same way!! Saw a big hole in

front of the

rotor, get some dayglow Krylon and a couple of blacklights, get yer
bellbottoms and paisley on, and you'd be STYLIN'!!

...well, maybe not.

Keep in mind, I was raised in a rural area, went through 12 years
of 4-H, I
play the organ for church, I'm polite to the elderly.... and you
think I'm
going to ruin my reputation with a out of control tone cabinet??? :) G.






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anyone know where I can join the e-org list. I used to be a member a while

carlo