Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list
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I had uploaded a?Bleeding Edge Snapshot of a REXXified EE more than a year ago but I did not supply instructions (which are really necessary). Since I still do not have access to ADHD medication, I am unable to write larger documentation without getting feedback (seeking some stimulation which I currently can't get from ).
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I'll try to give you some instructions in small pieces:
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1) Download, Transfer und Unpack
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?b) do a binary transfer to a writable CMS minidisk, specify RECFM F and LRECL 80 (ASCII/EBCDIC conversion not applicable here)
????? Example: ? IND$FILE PUT EE181307 VMARC (recfm f lrecl 80)
?c) you should be able to list and unpack the archive
vmarc list ? EE181307 VMARC ? ?A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
EE$D ? ? MODULE ? A1. Bytes in= ?176320, bytes out= ? ? ? 0 ( ? ? 0%).?
EE$S ? ? MODULE ? A1. Bytes in= ?176400, bytes out= ? ? ? 0 ( ? ? 0%).?
Ready; T=0.47/0.56 08:55:27 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
vmarc unpack EE181307 VMARC ? ?A1 ( replace ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
EE$D ? ? MODULE ? A1. Bytes in= ?176320, bytes out= ?359508 ( ? 203%).?
EE$S ? ? MODULE ? A1. Bytes in= ?176400, bytes out= ?359508 ( ? 203%).?
Ready; T=0.60/0.74 08:55:46 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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?d) you might want to rename these files to keep access to your systems's standard installation of EE
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Please tell me when you have come so far.
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The version should be displayed as? ee? V1.3.0_221118-1307?
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In case of emergency, enter the ====> CCCC? command to quit all files without saving.
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Martin
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 08:56 PM, Martin Scheffler wrote:
This is a Bleeding Edge Snapshot - Use At Your Own Risk
EE V1.3.0_221118-1307
Binaries uploaded to /g/h390-vm/files/MECAFF%20tools:%20fixes%20and%20features/EE181307.VMARC
Modules only, no docs
I'll need a long hot shower first and will type some release notes later.
(Where is the PANIC button ? Use the CANCEL/CC command to close the editor. Type R if you are curious. Type R1 to walk.)
Martin
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The VM/SP image now running at SDF has moved to planet.sdf.org port 24.
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Also, for getting permanent accounts on SDFVM:
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For non-account holders guest access for all systems is available with new [permanent] account requests available to our supporting Bootstrap members. Support for the SDF Vintage Systems program can be made through https://sdf.org/icf under the 'donate' link.
I had no input to this policy.? (I found out with the rest of SDF world).
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Hello! That's what I wanted Bob. Great! Now what happens after I've got Hercules running on a Pi3, and the OS is that copy of VM. What next? We'd to know how to configure the configure file further to support it. And of course logging into the release to start things and enable things. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 8:56?AM Bob Polmanter via groups.io <wably@...> wrote:
I've uploaded XNET version 1.4.1 to the files section. This upload includes the full XNET package including the latest documentation. For VM/CE V1.R1.2 users, note that this version is identical to the 1.4.0 version you have preinstalled on VM/CE (on the XNET userid). The version change to 1.4.1 was simply to denote the difference between this version with its updated documentation versus the parts and pieces that are in VM/CE. Again, 1.4.0 and 1.4.1 are functionally identical.
The materials are now in the Files section of this group, named "xnetv141.zip".
From the XNET documentation intro:
XNET connects together two or more S/370-based VM systems for the purposes of allowing remote logon. XNET allows 3270 terminal users to log on to userids on other similar VM system(s) that are currently online to XNET. Likewise, a user on one of the other VM system(s) would be able to log on to a userid on your system. You still retain access control for your own systems via the system directory and passwords.
XNET provides the management and transport of 3270 data between systems in order to facilitate remote logons and connections to other VM systems. XNET can support multiple users and multiple systems, and supports two types of data transport mechanisms. XNET is a fully asynchronous mini-operating system that runs in a virtual machine.
Regards,
Bob
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On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 07:56 AM, Bob Polmanter wrote:
XNET provides the management and transport of 3270 data between systems in order to facilitate remote logons and connections to other VM systems.? XNET can support multiple users and multiple systems, and supports two types of data transport mechanisms.? XNET is a fully asynchronous mini-operating system that runs in a virtual machine.
wow, just ... wow.
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?... Mark S.
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I've uploaded XNET version 1.4.1 to the files section.? This upload includes the full XNET package including the latest documentation.? For VM/CE V1.R1.2 users, note that this version is identical to the 1.4.0 version you have preinstalled on VM/CE (on the XNET userid).? The version change to 1.4.1 was simply to denote the difference between this version with its updated documentation versus the parts and pieces that are in VM/CE.? Again, 1.4.0 and 1.4.1 are functionally identical.
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The materials are now in the Files section of this group, named "xnetv141.zip".
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From the XNET documentation intro:
XNET connects together two or more S/370-based VM systems for the purposes of allowing remote logon.? XNET allows 3270 terminal users to log on to userids on other similar VM system(s) that are currently online to XNET.? Likewise, a user on one of the other VM system(s) would be able to log on to a userid on your system.? You still retain access control for your own systems via the system directory and passwords.
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XNET provides the management and transport of 3270 data between systems in order to facilitate remote logons and connections to other VM systems.? XNET can support multiple users and multiple systems, and supports two types of data transport mechanisms.? XNET is a fully asynchronous mini-operating system that runs in a virtual machine.
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Regards,
Bob
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Polmanter via groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2024 11:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6? When you get a chance, could you delete the old XNETV120.ZIP file in files section (it is under your name from when you copied everything over from Yahoo Groups), and I will upload the? XNET 1.4.0 package and documentation to the files section.
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Dave,
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When you get a chance, could you delete the old XNETV120.ZIP file in files section (it is under your name from when you copied everything over from Yahoo Groups), and I will upload the? XNET 1.4.0 package and documentation to the files section.
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Regards,
Bob
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Hello! I'm not Dave, he had a problem with a statue. So can you please post your documentation to the files-area? And can you please include a note regarding what was stated here? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 4:06?PM Bob Polmanter via groups.io <wably@...> wrote:
Hi Dave,
In my copy of VM/CE V1.R1.2, dated July 19, 2022, there is an XNET userid in the directory. The XNET materials are on the 191 and 193 disks. The documentation for XNET is in the distribution VM370CE.V1R1.2.zip file, in the root directory structure.
The code on the XNET userid is at level 1.4.0, an includes a modification that Bob Bolch made to it to support model 5 terminals. But the documentation in the zip file is at level 1.2.0. I do have the 1.4.0 documentation though, if you want it. The only difference between 1.2.0 and 1.4.0 is the model 5 change plus some stability improvements for the CTC connection; both are internal changes. The documentation therefore is essentially the same.
Regards,
Bob
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Hi Bob,
For historical purposes, would it be possible to upload the latest documentation to the files area?
Scott
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Hi Dave,
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In my copy of VM/CE V1.R1.2, dated July 19, 2022, there is an XNET userid in the directory.? The XNET materials are on the 191 and 193 disks. The documentation for XNET is in the distribution VM370CE.V1R1.2.zip file, in the root directory structure.
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The code on the XNET userid is at level 1.4.0, an includes a modification that Bob Bolch made to it to support model 5 terminals.? But the documentation in the zip file is at level 1.2.0.? I do have the 1.4.0 documentation though, if you want it.? The only difference between 1.2.0 and 1.4.0 is the model 5 change plus some stability improvements for the CTC connection; both are internal changes.? The documentation therefore is essentially the same.
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Regards,
Bob
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Hello! At this point in time it is not relevant. Now what's that statue doing in your garden now? Don't blink! Yes I know I hinted that the original was written by Dave M, it was not. It was posted to cause a similar response. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 4:42?AM Dave Wade via groups.io <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
Bob,
Is it included or do you have to load it. I couldn¡¯t find an XNET ID on my system..
Dave
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Polmanter via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
There is a software package that is already part of VM/CE called XNET. This software allows two or more VM/370 systems to connect via a CTC device (using Hercules CTCE, not CTCI), and you can then remotely logon to and use the VM system(s) on the other end of the CTCs, and vice versa. Communication can even pass through multiple VM systems to your target system if they are all connected via CTC. This software is something akin to PVM (Passthrough VM, an IBM product from the period).
But to send files or messages between VM systems, you'll need the RSCS NJE modifications.
Regards,
Bob
Signs in Mos Eisley Spaceport, "Obi-Wan was here!"
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Bob, Is it included or do you have to load it. I couldn¡¯t find an XNET ID on my system.. Dave ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Polmanter via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6? There is a software package that is already part of VM/CE called XNET.? This software allows two or more VM/370 systems to connect via a CTC device (using Hercules CTCE, not CTCI), and you can then remotely logon to and use the VM system(s) on the other end of the CTCs, and vice versa.? Communication can even pass through multiple VM systems to your target system if they are all connected via CTC.? This software is something akin to PVM (Passthrough VM, an IBM product from the period). But to send files or messages between VM systems, you'll need the RSCS NJE modifications.
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Hello!
I agree with the second, not so sure about the first. And I looked at
the website that Dave M, supplied earlier, (or was it one of his cats
who typed it? Or perhaps it was one of his other staff, and their
cats?) However at the moment setting things up along with that site is
currently a little beyond me. But setting up that example you cited,
that looks promising.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
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On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 3:41?PM Bob Polmanter via groups.io <wably@...> wrote: -- > There is a software package that is already part of VM/CE called XNET. This software allows two or more VM/370 systems to connect via a CTC device (using Hercules CTCE, not CTCI), and you can then remotely logon to and use the VM system(s) on the other end of the CTCs, and vice versa. Communication can even pass through multiple VM systems to your target system if they are all connected via CTC. This software is something akin to PVM (Passthrough VM, an IBM product from the period).
But to send files or messages between VM systems, you'll need the RSCS NJE modifications.
Regards,
Bob On the planet Hoth sits a long since abandoned base, and in front of it, a sign in all of languages spoken in the Newer Republic, "The fight to stop the First Empire took a fast upswing here.", and it is held up by a snow covered AT-AT. -- From travels with the Rebel Alliance a Timelord's unusual holiday.
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
There is a software package that is already part of VM/CE called XNET.? This software allows two or more VM/370 systems to connect via a CTC device (using Hercules CTCE, not CTCI), and you can then remotely logon to and use the VM system(s) on the other end of the CTCs, and vice versa.? Communication can even pass through multiple VM systems to your target system if they are all connected via CTC.? This software is something akin to PVM (Passthrough VM, an IBM product from the period).
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But to send files or messages between VM systems, you'll need the RSCS NJE modifications.
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Regards,
Bob
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Bertram, Yes the is a product, VM Passthrough, which allows you to connect you screen to multiple systems using bi-sync or SDLC links but it¡¯s a program product so not available to us. Dave ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bertram Moshier via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 10:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6? Hello, I thought I read something about a program that allows you to connect to another VM system from your CMS account or by dialing into the program running in a virtual machine. What is it that I'm remembering? ? If understand if you want the RSCS NJE mods you have to request them individually and promise not to distribute them. There is an e-mail contact here :- ? ? Dave G4UGM ? ? ? ? On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 04:03 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: What would be involved in
having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even
exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and
also files.
I would say, you need a version of RSCS that supports Network Job Entry (NJE). It is surely possible to update the current version of RSCS in VM/370 CE for that, but I am not the one who can do it. :-)
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Hello,
I thought I read something about a program that allows you to connect to another VM system from your CMS account or by dialing into the program running in a virtual machine.
What is it that I'm remembering?
Thank you,
Bertram Moshier
If understand if you want the RSCS NJE mods you have to request them individually and promise not to distribute them. There is an e-mail contact here :- ?
? Dave G4UGM ? ? ? ? On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 04:03 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: What would be involved in
having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even
exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and
also files.
I would say, you need a version of RSCS that supports Network Job Entry (NJE). It is surely possible to update the current version of RSCS in VM/370 CE for that, but I am not the one who can do it. :-)
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
If understand if you want the RSCS NJE mods you have to request them individually and promise not to distribute them. There is an e-mail contact here :- ? ? Dave G4UGM ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ren¨¦ Ferland via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 1:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6? On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 04:03 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: What would be involved in
having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even
exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and
also files.
I would say, you need a version of RSCS that supports Network Job Entry (NJE). It is surely possible to update the current version of RSCS in VM/370 CE for that, but I am not the one who can do it. :-)
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
Hello,
Is it possible for the SDI CTCI product to connect two CTCA devices defined in Hercules across the Internet?
I? think that is the purpose of the SDI CTCI product.
If that is the case, getting multiple operating systems running under Hercules to communicate is possible in full or half duplex.
Sincerely yours,?
Bertram Moshier? WB8ERT?
I haven¡¯t figured out how, but I have seen that there are VM/370 systems on HNET.
Zane
> On Jul 31, 2024, at 4:41?PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote:
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> ?Hello!
> Now remember I mentioned VM/370rel6 here, because that is the list
> focus. As is I believe it was possible for a system running a full
> featured system running it to do so. But I am not sure where it is
> located in the document libraries preserved elsewere,
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> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
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>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 7:30?PM ScottC via
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>> Oops, that's MVS 3.8.? Sorry.
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>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:29:22 PM PDT, ScottC via <sccosel=[email protected]> wrote:
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>> What about Moshix's HNET ?
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>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:03:27 PM PDT, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote:
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>> Hello!
>> Let us presuppose I have gotten a Hercules setup running the currently
>> available release of the community edition of VM/370rle6. Not of
>> course the two disk setup I normally run. What would be involved in
>> having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even
>> exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and
>> also files. And to do so on a routine basis. This is an interesting
>> concept, but it will be a difficult one to properly grok.
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>> Now why is an unhappy Yeti doing outside a McDonalds in a corner of a
>> town that's a suburb of Pittsburgh.
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>> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
>> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
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> A sign floating in space near the Yavin system says, "The Death star
> was there, when it exploded." and it includes the names of all who saw
> it do so.
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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6
On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 04:03 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
What would be involved in
having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even
exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and
also files.
I would say, you need a version of RSCS that supports Network Job Entry (NJE). It is surely possible to update the current version of RSCS in VM/370 CE for that, but I am not the one who can do it. :-)
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Martin Scheffler
Mark A. Stevens
Ren¨¦ Ferland