Re: What major change would justify bumping VM/CE to V2?
On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 08:15 PM, William Denton wrote:
- Enhanced CMS File System ala VM/SP
Are you speaking to the 1K, 2K, 4K, blocksizes for minidisks?
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- Fully (or nearly) XEDIT compatible editor
I believe this is being worked on by Martin S. and he is having some success. Still lots to do.
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- New editor and REXX part of CMS DCSS
- Truely dynamic 327x support... e.g. 150x100 screen size (without CP/CMS Windows/Vscreen !!)
- Something like Dirmaint
The WATERLOO tapes, I have to look to see which ones, have code to help in feeding USER DIRECT changes to DIRMAINT. That would be a starting place.
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- Improved RSCS (more like RSCS-PP 5748-XP1)
RSCS & Hercules set up for communication with "standard" BiSync out. Would still need directions for setting up the receiving end (NOSEID, TCP port, ...) because not everyone is going to tie to another VM, but maybe MVS or MUSIC, or (horrors!) CDC NOS.
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- More Passthru-like functionality
XNET 1.5.1 is very much like PVM, as best I can recall PVM. I have it working for connecting 3 VM systems via CTCE & TCP/IP.
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Some of these are being worked on via the Discord App, Server: Mainframe Enthusiasts. Feel free to join the discussions.
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?... Mark S.
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Re: bREXX Release 1.1.0 now available
On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 03:10 PM, Ross Patterson wrote:
There are no new known bugs and no changes to code since the last beta.? There were some changes to HELP files and documentation.
Thank you very much for your work on these challenges. Now if I can squeeze some time from somewhere to install and test.
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?... Mark S.
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Re: bREXX Release 1.1.0 now available
Thanks for that. Does this need any fixes to the GCC libraries?
Nope :-) ?It needs the GCC 1.0.1 library, same as bTEXX 1.0.1 did.? That's already present on VM/CE 1.1.1 and 1.1.2.? And if you take the "replace the GCCBRX DASD" installation path, it's on that volume too.
Ross
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Re: bREXX Release 1.1.0 now available
Ross,
Thanks for that. Does this need any fixes to the GCC libraries?
Dave
On 19/01/2025 21:10, Ross Patterson via
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bREXX Release
1.1.0 for CMS on VM/370 is now available at?.?
There are no new known bugs and no changes to code since the
last beta.? There were some changes to HELP files and
documentation.
As noted
before, there have been a lot of hands in making bREXX what it
is today, mine are merely the most recent.
The
installation instructions are in the README.md file, and
should come as no surprise to folks who've installed bREXX
before, or who've suffered through my thousand-line beta
emails :-)
Ross
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bREXX Release 1.1.0 now available
bREXX Release 1.1.0 for CMS on VM/370 is now available at?.? There are no new known bugs and no changes to code since the last beta.? There were some changes to HELP files and documentation.
As noted before, there have been a lot of hands in making bREXX what it is today, mine are merely the most recent.
The installation instructions are in the README.md file, and should come as no surprise to folks who've installed bREXX before, or who've suffered through my thousand-line beta emails :-)
Ross
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Re: ZORK on VM/370 CE ... POSSIBLE?
On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 06:27 AM, Alejandro olivan Alvarez wrote:
The issue was on the ZORK EXEC file.
Alejandro,
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Thanks for unearthing the last word in VM games ;-)
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From bistsavers.org
GC20-1818-3_IBM_Virtual_Machine_Facility_370_CMS_Command_and_Macro_Reference_Rel_6_PLC_17_Apr81
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? fn and ft (filename and filetype) are assumed to be a CMS fi1eid. If fm
? is the filemode of an OS disk, fn and ft are assumed to be the only two
| qualifiers of an OS data set name. If fm is specified as an asterisk,
| (*) then all disks are searched until a file with matching fn and ft is
| found.
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When I altered the EXEC to allow any filemode, and I tried several, the last one being 'Z' ;-) they all worked.
At the moment. I am going to guess the limitation is in the FORTRAN code, rather than CMS.
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access 196 z
'196 B ' RELEASED
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 13:00:23
zork z
FILEDEF * CLEAR
FILEDEF 3 DISK ZORK INDEX Z ( RECFM VBS BLKSIZE 800 LRECL 9608
FILEDEF 6 TERM
FILEDEF 1 DUMMY
FILEDEF 20 DISK ZORK TEXTDATA Z ( RECFM F XTENT 2174
FILEDEF 30 DISK SAVED ZORKGAME A ( RECFM VBS BLKSIZE 800 LRECL 7684
ZORK
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RESTORING FROM FILE ZORK INDEX
DMSSVT121S UNSUPPORTED SVC 244 (HEX F4) CALLED FROM 030664.
?Welcome to Dungeon. ? ? ? ? ? ? This version created long, long ago.
?You are in an open field west of a big white house with a boarded
?front door.
?There is a small mailbox here.
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?... Mark S.
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Re: ZORK on VM/370 CE ... POSSIBLE?
The * should mean that the first file is found. I do not know the selection logic if the specs for the file, the "(RECFM?VBS?BLKSIZE??800?LRECL?9608??? " portion, does not match the actual specification of the existing file on disk if you use an "*".? It should work without the specification (as it seems to be in the correct format for Zork). Anyway, glad you have it working.
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Re: ZORK on VM/370 CE ... POSSIBLE?
Got it to work.
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The issue was on the ZORK EXEC file.
I don't know why, but as soon as I replaced asterisk filemodes there (DISK FILEDEFs) and updated to the actual filemode of my games minidisk, zork came up!
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Thank you all.
Cheers.
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Alejandro Olivan.
Spain.
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Re: XNET 1.5.0 on VM/370 CE 1.1.2
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 05:30 PM, Bob Polmanter wrote:
I've uploaded XNET 1.5.1 to the files section, which corrects the issue you identified.?
Installed the MODULE on all three systems and it is working well, This is from
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smsg xnet d tasks
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:32:48
XNET025 Task Status 14:32:48
TaskID ?Type Name ? ?Status ?Association
025118 ?CONS 009 ? ? ACTIVE
0252A8 ?NODE ? ? ? ? ACTIVE
0272F8 ?CTCA 500 ? ? ACTIVE ?VM370DEV XNET151
smsg xnet v 500 inact
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:33:36
smsg xnet v 500 act
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:33:45
XNET027 Dev 500 already started
smsg xnet d tasks
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:33:55
XNET025 Task Status 14:33:55
TaskID ?Type Name ? ?Status ?Association
025118 ?CONS 009 ? ? ACTIVE
0252A8 ?NODE ? ? ? ? ACTIVE
0272F8 ?CTCA 500 ? ? ACTIVE ?VM370DEV XNET151
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From the "host" system ...
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smsg xnet d tasks
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:32:48
XNET025 Task Status 14:32:48
TaskID ?Type Name ? ?Status ?Association
025118 ?CONS 009 ? ? ACTIVE
0252A8 ?NODE ? ? ? ? ACTIVE
0272F8 ?CTCA 500 ? ? ACTIVE ?VM370DEV XNET151
smsg xnet v 500 inact
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:33:36
smsg xnet v 500 act
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:33:45
XNET027 Dev 500 already started
smsg xnet d tasks
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:33:55
XNET025 Task Status 14:33:55
TaskID ?Type Name ? ?Status ?Association
025118 ?CONS 009 ? ? ACTIVE
0252A8 ?NODE ? ? ? ? ACTIVE
0272F8 ?CTCA 500 ? ? ACTIVE ?VM370DEV XNET151
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?... Mark S.
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Re: Possible bug in EE & friends
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Re: EE goes XEDIT - testing new features
#rexx
#VMCE
I am testing a new bug fix to make EE handle large screen sizes without crashing. I have increased some old hard coded limits from 64 to 256. Further research has to be done if this limit could be set dynamically and checked against the actual screen size.
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On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 11:46 PM, William Denton wrote:
I seem to recall someone saying that the EE editor (& FS* tools) could support arbitrary size 327x displays. So, I thought I would give it a try...
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I used the same WC3270 config I use with my VM/ESA system -- 100 rows, 150 columns...
- Small number of lines seems to work pretty well except sometimes, the screen is really messed up when exiting
- Larger (>64 lines maybe) result in:
DMSITP141T ADDRESSING EXCEPTION OCCURRED AT 055EA2 IN ROUTINE EE$D. ??
- Other than seeing that this is 0x32 bytes into 'strlen' I have no clue how to go about chasing this down.
Should I be posting this issue someplace else?
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I have configured the ZOC (3270-)terminal emulator to 100 lines and 150 columns. The New EE crashed after scrolling a few pages. After increasing some hard coded limits, these crashes did not occur and there were no error messages on exit.
See below for GitHub details.
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 12:03 AM, René Ferland wrote:
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 02:46 PM, William Denton wrote:
Should I be posting this issue someplace else?
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EE & friends are part of MECAFF, of which the binaries and sources were released to the public domain:
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I had forked this repository to . I have checked in the source code which is on the MECAFF user's CMS minidisks on VM/370 Community Edition V1R1.2 .
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Here you find all the changes I am doing to make EE more compatible to XEDIT :
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See and for progress of "" .
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Is there urgent need for a fast binary release just for testing large screen sizes ?
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Martin
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Re: ZORK on VM/370 CE ... POSSIBLE?
Hi again guys... happy 2025!
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Nice to have found those aws tapes with games on teh filesection :-) it's going to be fun giving them a try if I manage to make them to work!
Regarding the zork tape, I think it is exactly the same stuff that was on the VMARC, not sure, but the problem while trying to run the exec remains the same:
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IHO219I FIOCS - MISSING DD CARD OR DCB ERROR FOR ASCII TAPE FOR ? ? 7 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
TRACEBACK ?ROUTINE ?CALLED FROM ISN ? REG. ?14 ? REG. ?15 ? REG. ? 0 ? REG. ? 1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ?IBCOM ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?00028C74 ? 00028DAC ? 00025890 ? 00025890 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ?INIT ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 0104 ? ?420205BA ? 00028498 ? 00000001 ? 000204AC ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ?MAIN ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 00F82774 ? 00020000 ? 0001FB24 ? 0101FE30 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
ENTRY POINT= ?00020000 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
SUMMARY OF ERRORS FOR THIS JOB ? ERROR NUMBER ? NUMBER OF ERRORS ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 219 ? ? ? ? ? ? 10 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Ready; T=0.02/0.04 09:53:31 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
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I have tried putting certain files on some minidisks, but by reading the ZORK EXEC file, I think it doesn't really matter:
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t?zork?exec?b???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????&CONTROL?OFF?NOMSG?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????FILEDEF?*?CLEAR????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????FILEDEF?3?DISK?ZORK?INDEX?*??(RECFM?VBS?BLKSIZE??800?LRECL?9608????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????FILEDEF?6?TERM?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????FILEDEF?1?DUMMY????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????FILEDEF?20?DISK?ZORK?TEXTDATA?*?(RECFM?F?XTENT?2174????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????FILEDEF?30?DISK?SAVED?ZORKGAME?A?(RECFM?VBS?BLKSIZE?800?LRECL?7684?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????ZORK???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Ready;?T=0.01/0.01?10:00:40?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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I feel there's something amiss here... I have to learn more about FILEDEF, but it appears to me as if something is expecting to have some kind of DD definition for a tape device? I do not understand what's going on there...
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Cheers!
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Alejandro Olivan.
Spain.
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Re: EE goes XEDIT - testing new features
#rexx
#VMCE
Progress with EE will be slow due to my health situation. I have returned from hospital even worse, because I did not receive the treatment that I had desired. I still do NOT have access to ADHD medication.
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Actually I do not have a new bleeding edge preview of EE. Current Work In Progress is promising, but there is still some infrastructure missing to make a decent RDRLIST happen ... and FILELIST will follow.
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SDF's VM/SP 5 is a great help to see how IBM's RDRLIST/FILELIST work. EE's new macros will do similar things in REXX which IBM had done in REXX and EXEC 2.
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Martin
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Re: XNET 1.5.0 on VM/370 CE 1.1.2
Hi Mark,
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I've uploaded XNET 1.5.1 to the files section, which corrects the issue you identified.? All you need is to replace the MODULE file from the tape image for each XNET machine that you have, and restart them.
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Regards,
Bob
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Re: ZORK on VM/370 CE ... POSSIBLE?
There is an aws tape with ZORK in the files section.
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Dave
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 04:06 PM, Mark Waterbury wrote:
Alejandro,
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On Melinda Varian's web page you can also find "ZORK VMARC".
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VM/CE does support VMARC.? So, you can use VMARC UNPK to "unpack" the files in the VMARC archive file,
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You only need to issue:
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? ?VMARC UNPK ZORK * A ZORK VMARC A??
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to extract the executable MODULE and EXEC and the components it needs (the ZORK TEXTDATA and INDEX) to run it.
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You do not need to unpack all of the FORTRAN source files or corresponding TEXT files, unless you intend to study the source code or attempt to modify it
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Note: you may need to sign-on to VM/CE as CMSUSER or create a new userID with a sufficiently large minidisk to contain the ZORK VMARC file and extract its contents.
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Hope that helps.
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All the best,
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Mark S. Waterbury
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Re: Possible bug in EE & friends
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 02:46 PM, William Denton wrote:
Should I be posting this issue someplace else?
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EE & friends are part of MECAFF, of which the binaries and sources were released to the public domain:
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Have you take a look?
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Cheers,
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René FERLAND, Montréal
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Possible bug in EE & friends
I seem to recall someone saying that the EE editor (& FS* tools) could support arbitrary size 327x displays. So, I thought I would give it a try...
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I used the same WC3270 config I use with my VM/ESA system -- 100 rows, 150 columns...
- Small number of lines seems to work pretty well except sometimes, the screen is really messed up when exiting
- Larger (>64 lines maybe) result in:
DMSITP141T ADDRESSING EXCEPTION OCCURRED AT 055EA2 IN ROUTINE EE$D. ??
- Other than seeing that this is 0x32 bytes into 'strlen' I have no clue how to go about chasing this down.
Should I be posting this issue someplace else?
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cheers, William
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Re: XNET 1.5.0 on VM/370 CE 1.1.2
Mark,
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Yep, that's a bug.?? I just confirmed it here.? There is some kind of length calculation issue in the code dealing with the command image received.?? For now, you can use a workaround.? Just type a blank after the ACT in the command and it will work.? For example,
SMSG XNET V 500 ACTb
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Where the 'b' is a blank? (Physically type the blank, because the VM command line is nulls not blanks.
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I'll get a fix to you soon.
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Regards,
Bob
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Re: XNET 1.5.0 on VM/370 CE 1.1.2
Bob,
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I tried the following from the OPERATOR console. Am I supposed to be able to INACT and ACT a channel?
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15:17:22 SMSG XNET D NODES
XNET032 Node Status 15:17:22
Netid ? Name ? ? ?Status
? 1 ? ? VM370DEV ?INACTIVE
? 2 ? ? VM370P01 ?ACTIVE ? ?(LOCAL NODE)
15:17:35 SMSG XNET V 500 INACT
XNET026 Dev 500 already inactive
15:17:41 SMSG XNET V 500 ACT
XNET011 Unrecognized command input
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?... Mark S.
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What major change would justify bumping VM/CE to V2?
Got to thinking the other day about what sort of change to Community Edition would justify jumping to Version 2.1.0. Here are some things that occurred to me:
- Enhanced CMS File System ala VM/SP
- Fully (or nearly) XEDIT compatible editor
- New editor and REXX part of CMS DCSS
- Truely dynamic 327x support... e.g. 150x100 screen size (without CP/CMS Windows/Vscreen !!)
- Something like Dirmaint
- Improved RSCS (more like RSCS-PP 5748-XP1)
- More Passthru-like functionality
Building a V2 would also open up the opportunity to clean up / reorg the mdisks. (There is still lots of drek hanging out from the 3-Pack, 4-Pack, 6-Pack days... e.g. stray nuc maps, obsolete, 1-use execs, etc.)
Plus, building a V2 might lead to creating a useful update/distro strategy for the future.
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Cheers,
William
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Mark A. Stevens
Anthony Smith
Martin Scheffler
René Ferland