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I was quite excited about the TS-2000 until I visited the Kenwood booth while at Dayton this past March. My biggest issue with the TS-2000 is that, although they call it "all-band, all mode," it is aimed at the US market where 222-225MHz is a PRIMARY allocation; they did not build this band into the radio (TX). I do not understand how the ARRL / QST advertizing department, or anyone else for that matter, can let them falsely advertize this radio as all mode / all band in our market (and I am a life member of that organization that generally supports their activities) - guess it is the advertizing dollar revenue that is all-important in this case. But the (not so) funny part was the response the representative for Kenwood gave me at Dayton: "Nobody uses that band, so why are you so concerned over it's absense?." That did not go over well with our 222 users group that all stood there and heard such a response. A number of us clobbered them pretty hard on this issue of the 222 band. Now, if it is true that the sub-receiver will not do modes which require carrier regeneration asthe brochure on the web site indicates (CW, SSB, etc.) this will be a pretty useless radio for Phase 3D work as well. By the way, at Dayton, we were erroneously told that the sub-receiver would do all modes as well. Perhaps the rep was simply mis-informed..... Can't wait for my 817 (#1 in line at AES!); in no hurry to check out the TS-2000 - but I will join the users group to watch the comments unfold. k9qi wa8shc@... wrote:

If you are a fan of 220, or ever thought of getting on 220, please consider sending an email to: sales@... and let them know you are interested in purchasing a 10M to 220MHz transverter. Ten*Tec makes a couple transverters now, for 6M and 2M. They are available as kits or fully assembled and work just great. I have built and used both of them prior to buying an FT-847. Ten*Tec has this project on the radar screen but I think a few hundred emails from the ham community may help speed the project along. 73! =paul= W8KC Collector of Ten*Tecs and other fine plastics. Visit the Virtual Ten*Tec Museum at: <http://www.acs.oakland.edu/~prvalko>

Not trying to dis QRP, but if I wanted to run an amp with this rig down in the HF frequencies, does anyone have any idea what we'd run? A CB amp was suggested to me, but I can't find any that are less than around 150A...was thinking more like 50A. 73 John Newell KB1FPM

Just got on this list a few days ago, AFTER I ordered the radio. Now we should be getting our radios soon (not soon enought), why don't we agree on an evening to get together and exchange radio traffic, signal reports, qsl's, etc.., using our 817's. KL0QQ the radio slacker

I have been looking at the 817 for a few weeks now, and really want to get one. The are so many pluses to this radio-dynamo that are appealing to my needs/wants. Besides being a good looking rig. I have, pretty much, given up on Amateur VHF/UHF here in Des Moines. I guess I don't support their clubs so that makes me an outsider or something. Anyway, I have turned my interests to monitoring Public Safety, HF and SW bands, as well as MW DX at night. Over the past few months I have been looking at the Grundig Satellit 800 @ $500, which is a bulky and heavy radio. But I am interested in the 817 for the portability, but one thing that concerns me is that VHF only goes as high as 154MHz. I would like to see at least 163MHz, so I could check local NWS freqs, along with a few local Police freqs in the 156-159MHz range. Another concern is reception (sensitivity) for SW and HF freqs, while using the 817 as a portable unit with the supplied BNC antenna. I expect, for obvious reasons, this will be poor at best. Just curious as to anyone who can let me know what they have found using the BNC antenna on these bands...I'm not expecting much. Hi!!! And has anyone found their 817 to go beyond the listed RX limit of 154MHz at all. I'm sure mods may be out soon, but I really don't want to start hacking on a new radio...that, to me, is considered "rape" and punishible by death. What is the approximate length of time this radio operates using batteries. Does the 817 eat the 8xAA like candy? And it looks like Velcro is the only way to mount it in a mobile, which I have done before and is handy for theft prevention. Any feedback from the group is very much appreciated. Thanks, John / K6ZZZ

I asked this question earlier but never heard a peep back. Anyone aware of what options will be offered in connection with the 817? Battery, DSP, filters? Anyone looked into this? I saw the 817 at Yaesu's booth at Pacificon and I remember the rep telling me something about a NiCad battery option, but I wasn't listening too sharp -- I kept being distracted by the rig. Sure would be nice if there was a DSP option. -- Bil KD6JUI

Hi, Here's a question from a relatively new ham who travels a lot in and out of the US. Could I use some type of amplifier when using the 817 at home to get more than 5 watts out? Any way to get 100 watts out of it with an amp at home? How effective is 5 watts using voice when using it on the road? Basically I'm looking for a all mode rig that travels well but that I can still use at home as a primary HF rig. Thanks for the basic questions...sorry if it's been covered before. 73, John, KB1ERG

While we wait for the first deliveries, I'm wondering whether there are any SGC 2020 users on this list, and what they find more (or less) attractive about the FT-817 compared to the 2020? 73 John Newell KB1FPM

John I am fortunate to have owned both radios ( I have an 817 presently) I can tell you that thge 2020 was designed with 1960's technology using a product diode detector , some standard crystals in series (no matching technology to produce any descent shape factor) and an audio rectified AGC as well as a varactor tuned VXO for the usb and LSB carrier generation (thus audio frequency response is radically different on USB and LSB) . Needless to say the radio sounds awful on RX and the agc causes distortion on strong signals . From the sound I believe that the low end begins at more than 600hz . I sent my new 2020 (which I purchased at Dayton last spring) back to SGC 2 times thinking that it was defective because I simply could not believe that a radio could sound like that in this day and age . Finally after the second attempt to repair it I contacted a dealer and concurred with him that the radio is "supposed" to work this way and he has heard much of this samecriticizm in the past . I then returned the 2020 for a full refund . On the other hand the 817 is designed and has no design "shortcuts" It sounds and works as well as some of the "big" radios in a little package . The only thing the 2020 has going for it is the 20 watts vs 5 but it cannot and does not have internal penlight batteries and the difference is 1 s unit (6 db) . I now wonder which radio you will buy ? 73's Howard VE2AED _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Hi Everyone, I just wondered at the availability/status of FT-817 rigs within the US with dealers. 73's Vic G7PYR PS I'm in the US around the end of November in the Portland, Maine area. Anyone know of any dealers close by?

John, have a look to Emtech's ZM-2 a Z-match compact and ligh unit, with visual tuning aid. And it's 50 bucks or so. http://emtech.steadynet.com/zmdesc.htm You will have to build it yourself, but that's part of the fun Be well jon, ea2sn

Has anyone compared the specs with a K2 or FT100,etc? txs! Dennis/WR4i

Next in my seemingly never-ending stream of questions...<g>... Has anyone thought about backpackable antenna tuners to use with the FT-817 in the woods/mountains? I'm not aware of any good ones that are both compact and rugged, but probably someone out there knows of one...? 73 John Newell KB1FPM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is intended only for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review, copy or distribute this message. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you.

Cover III of Dec QST ! It says "see it today at your dealer". Gary Mitchelson N3JPU 6M WAS (#1069), 6M VUCC (#1070) 250 confirmed Montgomery County, MD FM19lc http://n3jpu.tripod.com/ n3jpu@... n3jpu@... gmitchelson@... (Work) gmitchelson@... (Work)

Has anyone thought of an HF antenna that can be used on the move? I was thinking something like an helecticly wound vert. Using 1/2" pvc with that foam pipe insulation over it to get a larger diameter might make it fairly liteweight and easy to pack along. I figure on it being something you stick in (or on) your pack and coax to the radio using the bottom pl-259.

polrbear wrote: I've tried all sorts of whips on my various HF backpacks. The most important aspects for me have been flexibility, durability, and lightweight. For HF backpack, length=efficiency. 8 or 10ft long whips are just too long for hiking operation. 6ft long total length is just about the maximum for moving on the trail. I've had good success with various band mobile coils used as a base loading coil, topped with a 5ft long stainless whip "stinger". These stingers are available from CB shops or HRO. Don't forget to add a small ball of duck tape and a bright orange flag ribbon on the end of the stinger to alleviate eye pokes. The mobile coil is mounted directly to small CB mirror mount or angle bracket then fed directly to a miniature antenna tuner with a small length of insulated wire (not coax). There are various methods of mounting the mirror mount homebrew manpack whip to a backpack, such as a short section of aluminum tubing or a piece of durable ABS plastic lashed to the side straps, etc. The plastic can be acquired commercially or cut from the bottom of an old plastic tackle box or similar. The mounting will depend entirely on the style of your backpack. One end of an insulated wire 1/4 wave long at the lowest frequency is connected to the radio or tuner chassis and rolled up in a pack pocket. This wire is then thrown out on the ground to form a counterpoise for more efficient transmitting. Also, several types of military manpack antennas are easily adapted to this sort of use, including 3ft long tape antennas, and 9ft folding whips. 73---Bonnie KQ6XA

Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the FT817 group: Have you ordered your 817 yet? o ON ORDER NOW! o Did not order o Waiting for some to show up o I won't buy it o I HAVE one (neener neener) o Buying one at store o Want to look it over it first o Buying Mark II o Bought something else o Change mind 200times/day To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.egroups.com/polls/FT817 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the eGroups web site listed above. Thanks!

John O. Newell wrote: I have had an SG-2020 for a few years, and it performed well as a portable both for NVIS and DX use on jungle and mountaineering expeditions to the Andes. For battery portable use, it was the lightest weight/lowest receive current HF SSB unit prior to the FT- 817. I recently sold an SG-2020 on eBay. I did so, anticipating a drop in the exceptionally high resale value of 2020s, due to the impending release of the FT-817. SGC didn't provide a wonderful user-friendly ham support feedback cycle for the SG-2020 probably due to its low profit margin and SGC's focus, so a peer support network sprung up for mutual support of SGC products: http://www.qsl.net/sgci That group started much the same as this email list, and eventually developed through volunteer work, a website with helpful hints and an archive of modifications and applications. Maybe something like that will come out of this group eventually. One can only hope that Yaesu does not follow the same road as SGC in customer support for the FT-817. They certainly have a larger business resource base, so that strength will help. Especially since most of us presently on this group will be the guinea pigs, we are probably the best resource Yaesu will have for heading off any major problems before the go into any more (possibly larger) production cycles. 73---Bonnie KQ6XA http://www.qsl.net/kq6xa

HF SSB Needs More Than 5Watts To Get Out... -------------------------------------------- Using various backpack portable HF SSB systems with simplistic wire and 3meter whip antennas at close to ground level, at least 20W or more is usually required to get above the noise level for decent communications on 14MHz and below (based on my field experience). For those who intend to run the barefoot FT-817 as a "manpack" rig on SSB below 18MHz under normal conditions, a rude awakening is in store for them! Hams talk about the glorious exciting challenge of QRP... the main challenge is on the other end: the listening operators who have strain to pull the QRP station out of the mud! :) ------------------------------- PSK31 Running QRP Portable ------------------------------- The efficiency of PSK-31 at low power level should be a good application for FT-817 backpack operation. PSK-31 has worked adequately at the 5Watt level with my previous backpack/whip/counterpoise setups. For PSK-31 backpack and battery portable operation, I've been using a Sony VAIO (PCG-C1XS) "Picturebook" miniature notebook computer. Its size is 10"x6" and same thickness as FT-817... keyboard is just large enough for home-key typing. Just My Humble Opinion 73---Bonnie KQ6XA http://www.qsl.net/kq6xa

So, Bonnie, you are going to: - run an amp on portable power? - not operate SSB below ~18MHz? - use the MP-25 instead? - change your mind about the SG2020? - stay home and QRO? I'd love to hear more! 73 John KB1FPM