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Yaesu FT-818ND Discontinued Manufacturing
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Just for information a rig that is SDR does not mean it has tunable filters or newer tech except it is more of being computer controlled.? SDR means the operating system is in firmware and can be updated usually with a SD memory card. The tech for tunable IF/direct sampling filters and other newer operating parameters like noise reduction is in DSP, Digital Signal Processing.? This is done in hardware. Today few rigs are not SDR and most have DSP, some at the IF level, few like the IC7300, IC7610, FTDX101 at direct sampling of the incoming signal.? Other older rigs like the Icom IC756Pro, IC7200, IC7410, FTDX10, X6100, and G90 and some others have DSP at the IF level.? Icom had IF DSP with the IC756Orig serues in the 1990s when Yaesu was still working with IF filters as in the FT1000 series.
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:18:09 PM EST, Brian Morrison <bdm@...> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 08:14:53 +1100 "Eric van de Weyer" <groups.io@...> wrote: > > Time marches on – just as well we’re no longer reliant on the coherer! We're not? -- Brian Morrison? G8SEZ |
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Ken, N2VIP On Jan 11, 2023, at 11:18, Brian Morrison <bdm@...> wrote: |
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On Jan 11, 2023, at 11:35, Ron Wright via groups.io <lt_wright_flg@...> wrote:
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开云体育Well personally I love my 817. Had it for many many years. Got the cw filter from some place in Huntsville,Ala. Don't think he is in biz anymore. I take mine on trips to different cites when I travel and make a lot of qso's on 2 and 440. I have even use it to access the satellites. Worked pretty good. Would not park with my 817. The cw filter I got is great. Just my 2 cent's worth. 73's Dave NU4N and NU4N/qrp
On 1/11/2023 11:52 AM, Ken N2VIP wrote:
Speak for yourself! Ken, N2VIPOn Jan 11, 2023, at 11:18, Brian Morrison <bdm@...> wrote: ?On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 08:14:53 +1100 "Eric van de Weyer" <groups.io@...> wrote:Time marches on – just as well we’re no longer reliant on the coherer!We're not? -- Brian Morrison G8SEZ --
73's de NU4N Dave |
开云体育Ken ? Unfortunately the replacement for the FT-817/818 is already on the market.? However it’s made by Icom. ? My 817 won’t be coming on the market any time soon… well while I am alive anyway. ? Simon? ZL2FAE ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Ken N2VIP
Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2023 4:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ft817] Yaesu FT-818ND Discontinued Manufacturing ? I have often described the FT-817/818 as a perfectly balanced set of compromises, and almost any changes would be viewed negatively by someone in the community (I remember list members that were almost angry
when the FT-818 was released with the TCXO included from the factory, and let's not forget the battery-killing extra watt/revised power output levels in the updated FT-818, why it made life difficult for folks that used the FT-817/818 to drive microwave transverters,
etc). ? |
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Hi Simon and all,
Although I already have the IC-705 which I like a lot, I am keeping my 2 X FT-817 radios because they still work FB and I still use them when I operate portable. They both have minor scratches because I have used them, and still use them, heavily on my mountain treks and at the beach in the summers. The scratches are a reminder that both my FT-817s are active radios! They are radios to keep for life, especially if you do Digital Modes!!! 73 de Demetre M0SUY (SV1UY) .. |
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On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 10:53 AM, Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY wrote:
IC-705A rig that can't even stand striaght without a third party addon to make it stable. A rig that has NO internal battery compartment that a user can easily use his own cells. Instead he has to use a CUSTOMISED battery shell designed for an old Icom HT. NO thanks. Icom these days are trading on a their past history that last peaked abut 25 years ago. I used to adore Icom rigs, but they never really got the hang of continued success once they issued the 706's and then they that gave up and got lazy. And just looked at their HT's, especially the 90's ones. The corpse of Myra Hindley looks more appealing. 73 de Andy |
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My main use of my FT817ND is as an IF rig on 144 and 432 MHz
for microwave transverters. The features I am interested in for the IC-705 are the band scope and digital waterfall display, and the DSP. Right now I cannot afford an IC-705. My FT857D has DSP. It doesn't have a band scope. Sometimes I use that as an IF rig.. I have been considering using an Adafruit design for a Raspberry Pi with a 3.5 inch display as a band scope. It would work with my Funcube dongle. Something else to build down the road. :-) 73, Zack W9SZ On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 1:13 PM Andy Foad via <andyfoad=[email protected]> wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 10:53 AM, Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY wrote: |
开云体育On Jan 12, 2023, at 13:13, Andy Foad via groups.io <andyfoad@...> wrote:
It has a flat bottom, it "stands straight" without add-on.
Not sure why stuffing a battery pack inside a radio is so important, compared to an external clip-on battery... both can be easily swapped in the field (the obvious goal of both designs), but the Yaesu design involves a frail two pin connector.
Re-using an existing battery design allows owners of current Icom HTs to use their current batteries to extend ops without buying a new battery. On the Icom you can switch batteries without exposing the internal circuitry, I would think that preferable out in the field...
At 2x the price, the Icom IC-705 is not being sold as direct competition for the FT-817/818, it was offered as an upgrade. Aside from the ability to stack them up on your chest attached to a serious neck strap for satellite ops, I fail to see any specification/aspect of performance where the FT-817/818 'beats' the IC-705, even weight - both are about 1.1 Kg with batteries, and speaking of batteries, the FT-818 has a 1,900 mA Ni-MH battery, the IC-705 has an 1,880 mA LiON battery. As soon as you grab an external LiFePO4 battery with your FT-817/818, the benefit of the internal battery is almost eliminated... Oh wait, the FT-818 shipped with a tri-band rubber duck antenna! I guess that makes it the superior radio? No, they are both good radios. Ken, N2VIP |
On Jan 12, 2023, at 13:13, Andy Foad via groups.io <andyfoad@...> wrote: Icom these days are trading on a their past history that last peaked abut 25 years ago.That's funny, since we're discussing a radio that has been virtually unchanged the past 23 years, but OK. Funny, I don't remember the collective yawns from the Amateur community when Icom released the IC-7300 in 2015 and the IC-7610 in 2017, in fact it was quite the opposite, maybe I missed that? Ken, N2VIP |
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I really enjoy the FT-817ND, and was highly disappointed when there was very minimal change when they released the FT-818ND.
Comparing this with the IC-705, which was a substantial improved product. The one sweetspot would be something akin to the but obviously due to the ongoing Russia/Ukrainian conflict this has drastically reduced availability (as well as potential Cyber-Security, i.e. Embedded Back Door in Firmware?) With very affordable SDR, and also extremely reliable FTDI USB interfacing, a very robust, hardened/rugged unit is a must (for Emergency Preparedness, Storms, WildFires, Hurricanes, etc)? This product would have won hands down. And is an opportunity for Yaesu to blow the others away. Hoping for something in 2023/2024? |
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martinbradford2001
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 05:35 PM, Ron Wright wrote:
The FTdx101 is not direct sampling - it's a hybrid like the FTdx10. This was a lot of the reason why I bought my 101D rather than the IC7610 - direct sampling is not a great idea when done on a consumer budget, it's far more benefit to the manufacturer than it is to the end user... Martin (G8FXC) |
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Hi Andy and all,
Really you can't compare the IC-705 with the FT-817/818 because the YAESU Rig uses 22 year old technology. As for the IC-705 not being able to do this that and the other that you are describing, you will allow me to disagree because I have both the IC-705 and the FT-817 since when they first launched. They are both nice Rigs that's why I am keeping them both. The IC-705 can stand on it's own no bother, and it has interchangable batteries (I have 3 battery packs in my backpack) which can be changed without opening the radio as you need to do in the FT-817. If you had both radios you would know what I am talking about, but it sounds as if you haven't. People usually comment against a radio when they haven't even touched one! The IC-705 is superior in all aspects, but I still love and use my 2 X FT817s. Your milage may vary of course! 73 de Demetre M0SUY |
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My mileage is about the same as Demetre's,?and I agree with?Ken that the 705 and the 817 are both great radios.. I do wish the 705 was smaller. Though the weight is about the same, the volume of the 705 is about 50% greater.? I really do notice that in a small backpack. But what direction can Yeasu?really go in to?be competitive?? If you expect a quality?Yeasu?to compete as an all band shack in the box, it's hard to imagine it being cheaper than a 705.? If you delete the V/U capability, a KX2 has a tuner at roughly a third of the weight and volume of an 817.? ?If you want an inexpensive radio and find something that works for you, there are a plethora of offerings. And if you just build a me too to?the KX2 or the 705, other than brand?loyalty, I'd find it hard to switch without some otherwise unavailable feature set. I hope I'm wrong, but it's hard for me to imagine the marketing department demanding a replacement to the 817 unless Yeasu just feel the need to have a presence in that market space. In the meantime I will be very careful with the 20 year old FT-1634 satellite pair. FWIW, not much. Scott ka9p On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 11:59 AM Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY <demetre.sv1uy@...> wrote: Hi Andy and all, |
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Kevin Grantham
I may be off here, but as I understand it, the FT-817 was originally designed for “foundation” or “basic” class licenses (non-FCC countries). I think these are all-mode all-band licenses that are power limited to about 8 watts depending on country. As I understand it, more privileged license classes are generally higher power limits.
This is different than the FCC’s “inventive-based” licensing system. It seems to me that when the FT-817 was introduced, it’s compact size and feature set made it a darling of hams of all nations and license classes. Yaesu had three models all with the same or similar features and options - the FT-817, a mobile FT-857 and a desktop FT-897. The FT-897 had some interesting battery options that made it a viable event or deployment radio. That’s an impressive lineup. There is nothing in the Yaesu lineup to replace the discontinued models in that lineup. The only thing close is the FT-991 which has the panadapter display and C4FM and a much more advanced receiver and menu structure, among other things. But lacks the battery options of the FT-897. There is now competition from Xiegu and some others in the low-power HF space. The IC-705 is a great foundation class radio and addresses much of the same market as the FT-817/818. As to what Yaesu marketing is thinking, I don’t know. A set of two radios - a modern FT-817/818 replacement and a similar larger mobile or base/mobile - or even a triplet set would be innovative and well-received. The only puzzling thing I see in Yaesu marketing is the FT-891. This is an outstanding mobile HF radio but it lacks intrinsic USB sound card support. I surmise that they intended it as a “mobile” radio and overlooked the “transportable” market (emcom, POTA, events) where reducing the number of wires and cables is rather important. I keep hoping for an “FT-892” where they correct that oversight as I would immediately rebuild my deployment case (“go box”) with that and a mobile and replace the current shack-in-a-box that is working well but getting long in the tooth. Anyway, sorry to digress. Summary - I feel that there remains a huge market for foundation class and QRP applications for a replacement FT-817 using new technology. But that market is now shared with upstart manufacturers. 73, Kevin N5KRG |
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martinbradford2001
On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 02:18 PM, Kevin Grantham wrote:
I may be off here, but as I understand it, the FT-817 was originally designed for “foundation” or “basic” class licenses (non-FCC countries). I think these are all-mode all-band licenses that are power limited to about 8 watts depending on country. As I understand it, more privileged license classes are generally higher power limits.I don't think that there was any specific intent to target the FT-817 at foundation or basic licence classes. It is certainly true that many countries have entry-level licence classes that are power-output limited but, with the possible exception of Japan, most countries do not forbid holders of entry level licences from buying high power radios. There's nothing to stop a UK Foundation licence holder from buying an FTdx101MP capable of putting out 200W - and, since most Foundation licence holders will aspire to upgrading to a higher level licence, few would buy a 5w radio simply because they are not allowed to run high power... Martin (G8FXC) |
开云体育All the major manufacturers, at various times, offered low Power versions of their high-power radios to appeal to foundation/entry level license holders.While they may be able to possess higher-power, more functional radios, why spend more money on a radio with features/capabilities they can't use? Why pay for 100 watt finals if you can only run 10 watts, for example. For example, the kenwood TS-120V among others... Ken, N2VIP On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:08, martinbradford2001 <martin.a.bradford@...> wrote:
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