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Yaesu FT-818ND Discontinued Manufacturing
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This was posted on FB by a dealer in Sweden. Reed? W4JZ 
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Although it's pretty possible, and sweden's april's fools is April 1st, don't forget that today is "that day" among many countries of hispanic tradition. I'd wait a few days for confirmation. On Wednesday, December 28 2022, 08:54:40, Reed Fite W4JZ wrote: 1. ( ) text/plain (*) text/html
This was posted on FB by a dealer in Sweden.
Reed W4JZ
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-- Those who build beneath the stars build too low. --- Edward Young
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It's also posted on the Yaesu US YouTube channel. So no joke Bork Bork Bork.?
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Ken, N2VIP
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On Dec 28, 2022, at 11:01, Luis Miguel Casta?eda <octabod@...> wrote:
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Although it's pretty possible, and sweden's april's fools is April 1st, don't forget that today is "that day" among many countries of hispanic tradition. I'd wait a few days for confirmation.On Wednesday, December 28 2022, 08:54:40, Reed Fite W4JZ wrote:1. ?( ) text/plain ?????????(*) text/html
This was posted on FB by a dealer in Sweden.
Reed ?W4JZ
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--Those who build beneath the stars build too low. --- Edward Young
This very likely means that Yaesu does not have a replacement radio for either, since this wasn't really planned, and that's a shame.
It will be interesting to see if they: - resume production of current models of each, - redesign around parts issues and re-release radio (as they did with the FT-818), - or release new designs Ken, N2VIP
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On Dec 28, 2022, at 10:54, Reed Fite W4JZ <w4jz@...> wrote:
?This was posted on FB by a dealer in Sweden. Reed? W4JZ
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I guess that means that I need to get my finals replaced pronto ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Ken N2VIP Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 8:12 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [ft817] Yaesu FT-818ND Discontinued Manufacturing ? This very likely means that Yaesu does not have a replacement radio for either, since this wasn't really planned, and that's a shame. It will be interesting to see if they: - resume production of current models of each, - redesign around parts issues and re-release radio (as they did with the FT-818), - or release new designs
On Dec 28, 2022, at 10:54, Reed Fite W4JZ <w4jz@...> wrote:
?This was posted on FB by a dealer in Sweden.
Reed? W4JZ
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If I am reading the tea leaves properly, they have sufficient repair parts, for now anyway, but not enough for manufacturing any more of either radios. Ken, N2VIP
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On Dec 28, 2022, at 19:24, D. Scott MacKenzie <kb0fhp@...> wrote:
? I guess that means that I need to get my finals replaced pronto ? ? This very likely means that Yaesu does not have a replacement radio for either, since this wasn't really planned, and that's a shame. It will be interesting to see if they: - resume production of current models of each, - redesign around parts issues and re-release radio (as they did with the FT-818), - or release new designs
On Dec 28, 2022, at 10:54, Reed Fite W4JZ <w4jz@...> wrote:
?This was posted on FB by a dealer in Sweden.
Reed? W4JZ
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Maybe an 819 with avalible parts, just like they did with the 818.
Mick SA4MDN
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Doubtful, I suspect Yaesu may prefer a different tack than rehashing a 20+ year-old design.
As I recall, many 'in the community' were upset that Yaesu didn't do a redesign when they released the FT-818.
If Yaesu is to replace the FT-818 with a new radio, I suspect they'll take a good look at the FT-817 ecosystem of accessories and try to incorporate many of them in the design and work around the challenges of the previous design, like older battery technology, small display, add-in filters, etc.
This is the end of an era, I suspect, and you can either weep for its passing or look forward to what coming. Ken, N2VIP
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On Dec 29, 2022, at 03:14, mick smith <michael.newbury@...> wrote:
?Maybe an 819 with avalible parts, just like they did with the 818.
Mick SA4MDN
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Many years of experience in electronic manufacturing have taught me that a 20 years old technology may be obsolete, but it is certainly more expensive than updated technology. So Yaesu will, perhaps, do a complete redesign for the segment, if they still deem?it profitable.
Pietro I2OIM
Il giorno gio 29 dic 2022 alle ore 16:53 Ken N2VIP < ken@...> ha scritto: Doubtful, I suspect Yaesu may prefer a different tack than rehashing a 20+ year-old design.
As I recall, many 'in the community' were upset that Yaesu didn't do a redesign when they released the FT-818.
If Yaesu is to replace the FT-818 with a new radio, I suspect they'll take a good look at the FT-817 ecosystem of accessories and try to incorporate many of them in the design and work around the challenges of the previous design, like older battery technology, small display, add-in filters, etc.
This is the end of an era, I suspect, and you can either weep for its passing or look forward to what coming. Ken, N2VIP ?Maybe an 819 with avalible parts, just like they did with the 818.
Mick SA4MDN
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HI
I personally hope for a new design with a forward outlook at
something new.
I have a long history with my FT-817 original, my first one was
in 2001, then
sold it to purchase a Ten Tec Argo V, that was a nice rig if
powered from a
110V supply, but that was disappointing on battery, sold that to
purchase
a used 817 again, still have it and still love it.
I have lusted for a new FT-991A but can't afford one. I expect I
won't be
able to afford whatever is new coming out to replace the 817, but
still
looking forward to what ever it is.
Marty kd8bj
On 12/29/22 10:11, Pietro Molina wrote:
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Many years of experience in electronic
manufacturing have taught me that a 20 years old technology may
be obsolete, but it is certainly more expensive than updated
technology. So Yaesu will, perhaps, do a complete
redesign for the segment, if they still deem?it profitable.
Pietro I2OIM
Il giorno gio 29 dic 2022 alle
ore 16:53 Ken N2VIP < ken@...>
ha scritto:
Doubtful, I suspect Yaesu may prefer a
different tack than rehashing a 20+ year-old design.
As I recall, many 'in the community' were upset that
Yaesu didn't do a redesign when they released the FT-818.
If Yaesu is to replace the FT-818 with a new radio, I
suspect they'll take a good look at the FT-817 ecosystem
of accessories and try to incorporate many of them in the
design and work around the challenges of the previous
design, like older battery technology, small display,
add-in filters, etc.
This is the end of an era, I suspect, and you can
either weep for its passing or look forward to what
coming.
Ken, N2VIP
?Maybe an 819 with avalible parts, just
like they did with the 818.
Mick SA4MDN
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That was a rather short production period. It's still on the yaesu web site though.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 10:07 PM, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote: If I am reading the tea leaves properly, they have sufficient repair parts, for now anyway, but not enough for manufacturing any more of either radios. Ken, N2VIP On Dec 28, 2022, at 19:24, D. Scott MacKenzie <kb0fhp@...> wrote:
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I guess that means that I need to get my finals replaced pronto ? ? This very likely means that Yaesu does not have a replacement radio for either, since this wasn't really planned, and that's a shame. It will be interesting to see if they: - resume production of current models of each, - redesign around parts issues and re-release radio (as they did with the FT-818), - or release new designs
On Dec 28, 2022, at 10:54, Reed Fite W4JZ <w4jz@...> wrote:
?This was posted on FB by a dealer in Sweden.
Reed? W4JZ
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We're both speculating, so neither is right or wrong, but I think your comment had a typo - is "20 years old technology" really "more expensive than updated technology"?
To support my own argument, here are two small examples, why would anyone release another 'refreshed' radio that dedicates so much internal space to filters that are no longer available new or to NIMH batteries as opposed to a DSP and LiFePO4 batteries? Yes, both could likely be replaced with 'drop-in' upgrades, but I suspect after 20+ years, it may be time to revisit the QRP market as it is today, not as it was back at the turn of the century. ;^) Ken, N2VIP
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On Dec 29, 2022, at 10:12, Pietro Molina <pietro@...> wrote:
? Many years of experience in electronic manufacturing have taught me that a 20 years old technology may be obsolete, but it is certainly more expensive than updated technology. So Yaesu will, perhaps, do a complete redesign for the segment, if they still deem?it profitable.
Pietro I2OIM Il giorno gio 29 dic 2022 alle ore 16:53 Ken N2VIP < ken@...> ha scritto: Doubtful, I suspect Yaesu may prefer a different tack than rehashing a 20+ year-old design.
As I recall, many 'in the community' were upset that Yaesu didn't do a redesign when they released the FT-818.
If Yaesu is to replace the FT-818 with a new radio, I suspect they'll take a good look at the FT-817 ecosystem of accessories and try to incorporate many of them in the design and work around the challenges of the previous design, like older battery technology, small display, add-in filters, etc.
This is the end of an era, I suspect, and you can either weep for its passing or look forward to what coming. Ken, N2VIP ?Maybe an 819 with avalible parts, just like they did with the 818.
Mick SA4MDN
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Funny thing is, all this QRP HF stuff aside, my 817 is still the best 2m rig in my collection of HTs.? I shall miss it for it’s versatility. ?
The 817 is also the best 6m HT I have ever come across.?
Neither of these seem like it’s strongest selling points, they just happened.? Interesting, to me at least, convergence of happenstance that made a notably great product.?
I agree a DSP and modern battery technology remake of a DC to daylight all bands all modes QRP rig might well be marketable. ?
Bernard? ke7feq
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 08:32 Ken N2VIP < ken@...> wrote: We're both speculating, so neither is right or wrong, but I think your comment had a typo - is "20 years old technology" really "more expensive than updated technology"?
To support my own argument, here are two small examples, why would anyone release another 'refreshed' radio that dedicates so much internal space to filters that are no longer available new or to NIMH batteries as opposed to a DSP and LiFePO4 batteries? Yes, both could likely be replaced with 'drop-in' upgrades, but I suspect after 20+ years, it may be time to revisit the QRP market as it is today, not as it was back at the turn of the century. ;^) Ken, N2VIP On Dec 29, 2022, at 10:12, Pietro Molina <pietro@...> wrote:
? Many years of experience in electronic manufacturing have taught me that a 20 years old technology may be obsolete, but it is certainly more expensive than updated technology. So Yaesu will, perhaps, do a complete redesign for the segment, if they still deem?it profitable.
Pietro I2OIM Il giorno gio 29 dic 2022 alle ore 16:53 Ken N2VIP < ken@...> ha scritto: Doubtful, I suspect Yaesu may prefer a different tack than rehashing a 20+ year-old design.
As I recall, many 'in the community' were upset that Yaesu didn't do a redesign when they released the FT-818.
If Yaesu is to replace the FT-818 with a new radio, I suspect they'll take a good look at the FT-817 ecosystem of accessories and try to incorporate many of them in the design and work around the challenges of the previous design, like older battery technology, small display, add-in filters, etc.
This is the end of an era, I suspect, and you can either weep for its passing or look forward to what coming. Ken, N2VIP ?Maybe an 819 with avalible parts, just like they did with the 818.
Mick SA4MDN
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I'm sad to see the 818 go, but if you can't get parts there's not much choice.? I really like my 817, but it is a 20 year old design.
I have to believe that Yaesu saw this coming for a while.? Hopefully they've already started working on a new design.? Personally, I think something that rivals the IC-705 would be a winner.? C4FM instead of D-Star, and an internal antenna tuner.? Even at a 705-like price point I think they would sell a ton of them.? And make it full duplex to capture the satellite market...
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You're talking about a QRP version of the FT-991A, that seems unlikely, and full-duplex would add significantly to the cost of the unit while only benefitting a small portion of the potential market. If adding full-duplex added 50% to the price of the radio (a made up, but seemingly reasonable number), that would put this imaginary full-duplex FT-818 replacement at just about $1,000. Such a price point would shrink the potential market in my opinion.
Keep it cheap and buy a bunch!
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On Dec 30, 2022, at 09:09, Kevin McCarthy via groups.io <kmccarthy1454@...> wrote:
?I'm sad to see the 818 go, but if you can't get parts there's not much choice.? I really like my 817, but it is a 20 year old design.
I have to believe that Yaesu saw this coming for a while.? Hopefully they've already started working on a new design.? Personally, I think something that rivals the IC-705 would be a winner.? C4FM instead of D-Star, and an internal antenna tuner.? Even at a 705-like price point I think they would sell a ton of them.? And make it full duplex to capture the satellite market...
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Yaesu has had a year+ to observe sales of the IC-705. I'm guessing Yaesu already has designed something similar but they're waiting on economic conditions and supply chain improvements before going into production.? My FT-817ND's? only 5 yrs old, they'll probably last longer than me, Hah! Happy New Year to All, 73 Rich W1GBB
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-------- Original message -------- From: Ken N2VIP <ken@...> Date: 12/30/22 12:13 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [ft817] Yaesu FT-818ND Discontinued Manufacturing
You're talking about a QRP version of the FT-991A, that seems unlikely, and full-duplex would add significantly to the cost of the unit while only benefitting a small portion of the potential market. If adding full-duplex added 50% to the price of the radio (a made up, but seemingly reasonable number), that would put this imaginary full-duplex FT-818 replacement at just about $1,000. Such a price point would shrink the potential market in my opinion.
Keep it cheap and buy a bunch! Ken, N2VIP On Dec 30, 2022, at 09:09, Kevin McCarthy via groups.io <kmccarthy1454@...> wrote:
?I'm sad to see the 818 go, but if you can't get parts there's not much choice.? I really like my 817, but it is a 20 year old design.
I have to believe that Yaesu saw this coming for a while.? Hopefully they've already started working on a new design.? Personally, I think something that rivals the IC-705 would be a winner.? C4FM instead of D-Star, and an internal antenna tuner.? Even at a 705-like price point I think they would sell a ton of them.? And make it full duplex to capture the satellite market...
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I'll never part with my FT817's.
But I agree it's time to move on a bit for Yaesu.
As one other poster has mentioned, having PCB space for non existance CW filters is dreadful.
And why the heck couldn't they change the alloy chassis to easily accomodate some decent 18650 Li-Ion.
All it would take is a few extra millimetres.
Instead we had to rely up 3rd party battery packs or be forced to use a basic 7Ah gel cell lump externally.
Despite this, the FT817 is still the dogs danglers ;-)
Come on Yaesu, two small tweaks, CW filters and a bit ore space for homebrew battery packs
and you can be king of the castle ;-)
73 de Andy
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Now that inrad seems to be out of stock of pcbs things are slightly more complicated, but there seems to be at least one OM who still can provide of those. On the other hand, AOR still has stock of 500hz CW mechanical filters, it's the same collings, just that it doesn't have the yaesu sticker on top. Call your local AOR distributor and ask for them, you might have a pleasant surprise if you're looking for one. On Friday, December 30 2022, 10:41:41, Andy Foad via groups.io wrote: I'll never part with my FT817's.
But I agree it's time to move on a bit for Yaesu. [...]
Come on Yaesu, two small tweaks, CW filters and a bit ore space for homebrew battery packs
and you can be king of the castle ;-) -- Armaments, universal debt and planned obsolescence - those are the three pillars of Western prosperity. --- Aldous Huxley
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I will never part ways with my 817. I
have a cw filter I got way back when there was a guy selling
them in Alabama.
On 12/30/2022 1:22 PM, Luis Miguel
Casta?eda wrote:
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Now that inrad seems to be out of stock of pcbs things are
slightly more
complicated, but there seems to be at least one OM who still can
provide of
those.
On the other hand, AOR still has stock of 500hz CW mechanical
filters, it's the
same collings, just that it doesn't have the yaesu sticker on top.
Call your
local AOR distributor and ask for them, you might have a pleasant
surprise if
you're looking for one.
On Friday, December 30 2022, 10:41:41, Andy Foad via groups.io
wrote:
I'll never part with my FT817's.
But I agree it's time to move on a bit for Yaesu. [...]
Come on Yaesu, two small tweaks, CW filters and a bit ore space
for homebrew battery packs
and you can be king of the castle ;-)
--
Armaments, universal debt and planned obsolescence - those are the
three pillars of Western prosperity.
?--- Aldous Huxley
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73's de NU4N Dave
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Michael Newbury SA4MDN
Pietro Molina