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technical standard certification number
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Hello members I have the opportunity to visit Japan on a fairly frequent basis over the next few years and I am thinking of applying for a Japanese callsign.?? Most of the hurdles I think I can overcome. However in order to apply for said license I need to supply to the JARL, a technical?standard certification number for my FT 817 nd?? A thorough search of the operator manual that came with the radio fails to mention any such number.?? If I cannot supply the number then I will incur a cost to have the radio tested and certified but being made in Japan, there should logically be a manufacturer's document in existence. Does anyone know the email contact details for Yaesu in Japan please? ? An email sent to their UK office has gone unanswered so far. Thanks in advance Denis VK6AKR |
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Hello Denis
I have attached the two certificates of conformity that I received with my FT-817ND, hope that they have the information you are looking for. Regarding the address of Yaesu, they changed there name to Vertex Standard co, although it looks like Motorola might be involved now. The email address I could find is listed below jp_support@... [undefined:jp_support@...] Kind Regards Kevin G6UCY |
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Hi Kevin,
Is your FT-817nd a Japanese model? If so, is printed on the model/serial label in the radio Particular for FT-817, the number may vary if was manufacturer before Nov 2007 If your radio isn't a Japanese model, then you will need to request the certification due to the fact they may transmit outside Japanese band plan or don't complain the spurs levels here They charge for that (4,000-5,000 yen i think) and no guarantee you pass Of course if you buy a Japanese model, Yaesu already apply for certification before selling it -- 73 Emilio, JK1MBT |
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Hello Emilio
The original poster did not have any certification certificate information at all for the FT-817ND they intended to use in Japan. I was hoping that copies of the UK version, which along with the EU standards information contains some contact details for Yaesu
might be of some use to them, although it was not clear if the transceiver in question was a Japanese version.
I did try and look further for Denis but there did not seem possible to access the Japanese certification from the websites I looked at.
Unfortunately, as you say if the transceiver is a non-Japanese version it might indeed mean getting the thing certified. To be honest it would probably be cheaper to buy a Japanese one to use in the country rather than bringing one for visits if this indeed
the case.
73
Kevin G6UCY?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Emilio via groups.io <musenjk1mbt@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:09 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ft817] technical standard certification number ?
Hi Kevin,
Is your FT-817nd a Japanese model? If so, is printed on the model/serial label in the radio Particular for FT-817, the number may vary if was manufacturer before Nov 2007 If your radio isn't a Japanese model, then you will need to request the certification due to the fact they may transmit outside Japanese band plan or don't complain the spurs levels here They charge for that (4,000-5,000 yen i think) and no guarantee you pass Of course if you buy a Japanese model, Yaesu already apply for certification before selling it -- 73 Emilio, JK1MBT |
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Many thanks Kevin and Emilio
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Thanks for the UK / EU certificate and the advice regarding purchase of a Japanese specific radio. On balance that might be the wiser option.? My destination is Kitakyushu but if I fly into Japan via Tokyo, it would give me the chance to visit Akihabara where I should be able to make a purchase. My journey is still some way off, early 2025 most likely, so no great urgency. 73 Denis On Wednesday, May 8, 2024, Kevin G6UCY via <kevinporterg6ucy=[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Emilio > The original poster did not have any certification certificate information at all for the FT-817ND they intended to use in Japan. I was hoping that copies of the UK version, which along with the EU standards information contains some contact details for Yaesu might be of some use to them, although it was not clear if the transceiver in question was a Japanese version. > I did try and look further for Denis but there did not seem possible to access the Japanese certification from the websites I looked at. > Unfortunately, as you say if the transceiver is a non-Japanese version it might indeed mean getting the thing certified. To be honest it would probably be cheaper to buy a Japanese one to use in the country rather than bringing one for visits if this indeed the case. > 73 > Kevin G6UCY? > ________________________________ > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Emilio via <musenjk1mbt=[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:09 AM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ft817] technical standard certification number > ? > Hi Kevin, > > Is your FT-817nd a Japanese model? If so, is printed on the model/serial label in the radio > Particular for FT-817, the number may vary if was manufacturer before Nov 2007 > > If your radio isn't a Japanese model, then you will need to request the certification due to the fact they may transmit outside Japanese band plan or don't complain the spurs levels here > They charge for that (4,000-5,000 yen i think) and no guarantee you pass > Of course if you buy a Japanese model, Yaesu already apply for certification before selling it > > -- > 73 > Emilio, JK1MBT > _._,_._,_ > ________________________________ > 开云体育 Links: > > You receive all messages sent to this group. > > View/Reply Online (#114772) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic > Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [kanekobrown1@...] > > _._,_._,_ |
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Kevin,
Sorry for the confusion, my msg was for Denis, I just mess up the names.... Denis, Only 2 places left mainly in Akihabara for radios with good stock (Rocket/Fuji) but there are also a few domestic online shops too. If you are applying for equivalent VK<=>JA license, you don't need to have the transceiver per said but need to write down the one you "plan" to use (or buy) which need the TSS certification and if is from Yaesu/Kenwood/Icom/Alinco, they already have those available. The paperwork will take around a month and of course you need a valid VK license and JA address ZL2ALW, That certificate is for UK/EU from Japan but I'm afraid is not valid as a "TSS certification" -- 73 Emilio, JK1MBT |
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Many thanks Emilio Handy to know that all certificates for Japanese-market radios are on file with the JARL and that I can state an intention-to-use a particular radio ahead of the purchase.?? I am looking forward to this next phase of my retired life hi hi. 73 Denis VK6AKR On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:00?PM Emilio via <musenjk1mbt=[email protected]> wrote: Kevin, |
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Why would you need a certificate number?? Are the Japanese not allowed to make their own gear, so everything has to be type approved? Doug? VK1ZDJ? On Wed, 8 May 2024, 3:39?pm Denis Brown VK6AKR, <kanekobrown1@...> wrote:
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Hello Doug Perhaps I was just being cautious...?? In the JARL document describing the application process for a foreigner to establish a station in Japan, they talk about the intended rig(s) approval number(s) <quote>
(9) If your radio has 'Technical Standard Certification Number*', please
mention the number along with the model and manufacturer names in your
application form.
<unquote> If no number can be provided then the applicant apparently needs to physically submit the rig(s) for inspection and testing for which a fee applies.?? Hence the hunt for the certificate number(s) Emilio pointed out that the JARL should already have the certificates for Japanese-manufactured radios - I should have realised that! 73 Denis VK6AKR On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:52?PM Doug Jackson via <doug=[email protected]> wrote:
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Hi Doug,
Yes Japanese Ham can make their own homebrew transceivers, however to use the band (aka TX) your radio need to be approved, that's the TSS Certification. What actually mean is they measure the transmit power, spurious level, harmonics, frequency, deviation, etc As long is within the Japanese standards you can use it, you also need to provide a block diagram with the application for inspection and paid the fee -- 73 Emilio, JK1MBT |
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Hi Emilio,
May I ask a few more details questions and confirm a few more details since the info I have may be obsoleted and perhaps not even correct and you seem to be much more knowledgeable: 1. A radio for the Japanese market enforces the Japanese amateur allocation and transmitting "out of band" is not possible on these radios. Is that still correct? 2. A radio like this *cannot* be "widebanded" by changing some diodes or jumpers which is possible with radios for the EU/US market, but not for the JP market. Is that correct? 3. A radio for the Japanese market, therefore, typically has a microprocessor that has different software in it to reflect the fixed Japanese band allocations. Such radio is sometimes called "J-mark", with a letter J in a triangle on the serial number. Is that still the case? 4. What is the difference between TSS certification and J-mark? 5. For this reason, an amateur bringing a radio intended for the US/EU market into Japan, will need his radio TSS-certified and because his US/EU radio can be modified, said radio will fail TSS certification? 6. Does the requirement to use TSS-certified equipment also apply for a temporary reciprocal license? Also, does this mechanism exist in Japanese regulations or is one required to apply for a Japanese license? I spent quite some time investigating this but authoritative info is hard to find. I hope you can share your insights. 73, Geert Jan |
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Hi Greet Jan,
Ok, Interesting topic the J mark. I'm not an expert but will tell you what I know about it 1. That's correct, radio sold in Japan for amateur bands will only transmit in Japanese band plan (ie, 433-440mhz on 2m, not the same as US or other countries) 2. Not fully correct, It will depend on the radio really but some radios sold in Japan can be "mod" to transmit outside Japanese amateur bands, some radios by removing diode, resistors, jumpers or via service menus. 3. Not necessary, the J mark is a voluntary pseudo restrictions agree between some manufacturer back in the 90' when was easier to "mod" a radio and transmit in commercial frequency (mainly 144/433/1200/2400) and cause problems, hence the radio "J Mark" where not easy to change the band designed for (not impossible), also some manufactures like Alinco left and doesn't put J mark anymore I think. 4. The TSS certification is a government mandatory requirement for equipment that transmit radio waves, "big" manufactures certify theirs equipment and put the certification ID on a label on each radio sold in Japan, keep in mind some models change on manufacture years and could been certified and obtain a different ID, they general publish this on their websites. The J Mark (small J inside a triangle) is an agreement between some manufactures to said this radio is 'restricted' to Japan amateur band, not a government official requirement 5. Any radio without TSS certification mark need to be certified, regardless if Yaesu has "similar" model in Japan already certified (ie, FT-818nd), true that a EU/UK FT-818nd will transmit on different 2m and that's not allowed here so will not pass, but some radios allow you to change diodes or software to restrict the band/power they transmit so then could pass the TSS certification, again, this will be depend the radio of course 6. The TSS certification is for _any_ radio that operate in Japan, I believe that should apply for permanent or temporary licenses. The TSS certification is for radio transmitters, isn't a requirement to obtain a license, however license category in Japan are related to power/mode you are allowed to, if when I apply for a mobile license I will declare will use an IC-705 (10W V/U) and then I decide to obtain a ID-5100D (50W V/U) I need to request an updated license to reflect the new transceiver? ? Well, I hope these details help (or confuse your more HIHI) -- 73 Emilio, JK1MBT |
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