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Chirp issues? Old 817. Distant stories of bricks

 

I am using my 817 again. I've had it since a year or two after they came out. Gets used in spurts but I have never used programing software such as CHIRP.? Main reason is that once upon a time I read that chirp(and others) had a habit of bricking certain Yaesu radios.? Was this a thing? has it been addressed?? I don't mind entering things from the keyboard but starting up in a new area with a dozen or so rptrs, new HF nets, M17 etc, it would be nice to do it by cptr. And, if not chirp are there any proven apps?
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Thanks for any thoughts
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Larry
 

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Hi Larry,

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I haven’t heard of problems using Chirp with the FT8x7 group of radios although I have previously used FTBasicMMO for programming mine (817, 857 & 897) and always had good results with it.

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You may be confusing the problem with the problems with the early versions of Ham Radio Deluxe for rig control which wrote to some memory locations continuously eventually stuffing the memory and hence bricking the radio. Yaesu put out a bulletin about this many years ago and the later versions removed the options which caused this.

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Although the author, Bob Freeth G4HFQ is SK, the program is still available at .

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73….Eric VK2VE.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Larry Nix via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2025 12:38
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ft817] Chirp issues? Old 817. Distant stories of bricks

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I am using my 817 again. I've had it since a year or two after they came out. Gets used in spurts but I have never used programing software such as CHIRP.? Main reason is that once upon a time I read that chirp(and others) had a habit of bricking certain Yaesu radios.? Was this a thing? has it been addressed?? I don't mind entering things from the keyboard but starting up in a new area with a dozen or so rptrs, new HF nets, M17 etc, it would be nice to do it by cptr. And, if not chirp are there any proven apps?

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Thanks for any thoughts

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Larry


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Some lines taken from other posts here and there,
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Yaesu advised against using Chirp software.
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CHIRP is not specifically designed to work with Yaesu's somewhat unusual software. It can be massaged to work, but it can brick the radio
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Yaesu has repeated time after time that they WILL NOT repair radios bricked by using Chirp
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Yaesu has said they will not repair radios damaged by using Chirp.
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Yaesu has repeatedly advised against programming their radios with Chirp. They caution that there is a history of Yaesu radios being bricked by Chirp. Yaesu has also said they won't repair radios under warranty that are damaged by Chirp.
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Do a search and make your own mind up if you want to chance it or not
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You cant go wrong with RTSystems software, i use it for 5 Yeasu radios,?
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Mick SA4MDN
 

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Hi Larry. I have an 817ND and using a generic cable off of Amazon I had no trouble at all with programming it with chirp. I followed the instruction in the software to the letter and found programming to be a doddle.?

Kevin Mullens


On Jan 23, 2025, at 04:46, Michael Newbury via groups.io <michael.newbury@...> wrote:

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Some lines taken from other posts here and there,
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Yaesu advised against using Chirp software.
?
CHIRP is not specifically designed to work with Yaesu's somewhat unusual software. It can be massaged to work, but it can brick the radio
?
Yaesu has repeated time after time that they WILL NOT repair radios bricked by using Chirp
?
Yaesu has said they will not repair radios damaged by using Chirp.
?
Yaesu has repeatedly advised against programming their radios with Chirp. They caution that there is a history of Yaesu radios being bricked by Chirp. Yaesu has also said they won't repair radios under warranty that are damaged by Chirp.
?
Do a search and make your own mind up if you want to chance it or not
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Mick SA4MDN
 

Hello,
Due to first hand experience, I will never use CHIRP again to program any radio!
I bricked my 817ND with it. I had to pay for the recovery procedure at Yeasu,? due to using CHIRP. Yeasu stated using CHIRP voided my warentee.
I have sence used RT Systems's ADMS-4A
for programming my 817ND.
In fact, I now use RT Systems software for ALL 6 of my radios.
It is only $25.00, for lifetime use and full support and updates. If you need a programming cable with the software, it is $49.00.
Others have used CHIRO with little or no problems, but it is use at your own risk.
I myself, do not want to take anymore risks with expensive radios.
Anyway, that is my experience with CHIRP.
Clyde KC7BJE?
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I wont even try to say a word about CHIRP bricking or not radios as I used to be one of the developper and specifically the original author of 8X7 modules

BUT

I can't repeat enought times that CHIRP use no magic with 8X7 but simply reproduce the radio to radio cloning process which is well documented in yaesu manual.
From time to time I've been asked to support other features which would have required "peek and poke" undocumented CAT commands (which BTW other programming softwares use to work with 8x7 radios) and I refused as, believe me, using those commands you can really and easilly brick radios.

More, I've never been able to brick my beloved 817ND in a way that a restore of the backup from CHIRP itself have resuscitated it (not even during first stage of module development) but if it should ever happen I just would have said to YAESU that "I was following instruction in manual page 69 of the operating manual and i get it bricked".

I'm really sorry you believe your 817ND have been bricked by CHIRP (or any other sw) but we have to point our finger to YAESU itself because if any radio can be bricked via the software programming interface, it’s a radio bug.

All that said if anyone is happy using any software (paid or not) I wont argue but for those of us using non-Windows platforms Chirp is the only radio programming software that runs on Macintosh or Linux at least as far as I can tell.

best 73 de
IZ3GME AI6IJ Marco

On 23/01/25 21:27, Clyde Lambert via groups.io wrote:
Hello,
Due to first hand experience, I will never use CHIRP again to program any radio!
I bricked my 817ND with it. I had to pay for the recovery procedure at Yeasu,? due to using CHIRP. Yeasu stated using CHIRP voided my warentee.
I have sence used RT Systems's ADMS-4A
for programming my 817ND.
In fact, I now use RT Systems software for ALL 6 of my radios.
It is only $25.00, for lifetime use and full support and updates. If you need a programming cable with the software, it is $49.00.
Others have used CHIRO with little or no problems, but it is use at your own risk.
I myself, do not want to take anymore risks with expensive radios.
Anyway, that is my experience with CHIRP.
Clyde KC7BJE
 

Hi Marco

I have to agree at least to the fact that I also use CHIRP and also have YAESU radios that I have copied the memories from to keep as a backup and restore or clone. Recently also have copied some memories from the stored image to a Retavis GMRS radio. No problems so far and that is many years. Mainly because other software developers refuse to provide their software to work in Linux. Maybe as you suggest it is on Yaesu.

Marty kd8bj

On 1/24/25 05:05, Marco IZ3GME via groups.io wrote:
I wont even try to say a word about CHIRP bricking or not radios as I used to be one of the developper and specifically the original author of 8X7 modules

BUT

I can't repeat enought times that CHIRP use no magic with 8X7 but simply reproduce the radio to radio cloning process which is well documented in yaesu manual.
From time to time I've been asked to support other features which would have required "peek and poke" undocumented CAT commands (which BTW other programming softwares use to work with 8x7 radios) and I refused as, believe me, using those commands you can really and easilly brick radios.

More, I've never been able to brick my beloved 817ND in a way that a restore of the backup from CHIRP itself have resuscitated it (not even during first stage of module development) but if it should ever happen I just would have said to YAESU that "I was following instruction in manual page 69 of the operating manual and i get it bricked".

I'm really sorry you believe your 817ND have been bricked by CHIRP (or any other sw) but we have to point our finger to YAESU itself because if any radio can be bricked via the software programming interface, it’s a radio bug.

All that said if anyone is happy using any software (paid or not) I wont argue but for those of us using non-Windows platforms Chirp is the only radio programming software that runs on Macintosh or Linux at least as far as I can tell.

best 73 de
IZ3GME AI6IJ Marco



On 23/01/25 21:27, Clyde Lambert via groups.io wrote:
Hello,
Due to first hand experience, I will never use CHIRP again to program any radio!
I bricked my 817ND with it. I had to pay for the recovery procedure at Yeasu,? due to using CHIRP. Yeasu stated using CHIRP voided my warentee.
I have sence used RT Systems's ADMS-4A
for programming my 817ND.
In fact, I now use RT Systems software for ALL 6 of my radios.
It is only $25.00, for lifetime use and full support and updates. If you need a programming cable with the software, it is $49.00.
Others have used CHIRO with little or no problems, but it is use at your own risk.
I myself, do not want to take anymore risks with expensive radios.
Anyway, that is my experience with CHIRP.
Clyde KC7BJE
 

I have used CHIRP for programming for many years.? I have used it for FT817, FT818, FT70D and UV5R radios of my own and two or three for other people.? I also mentored others doing it themselves.? I am convinced that the radios I worked with could not have been bricked.? It is likely that something was done during the upload (i.e. intermittent power or an bad entry in the data) that caused the radio to go stupid.? Every time that occurred, a factory reset fixed it.? That is why I tell everyone who asks, make sure you have a copy of the radio saved so you can get back to the state before you attempted to program.? I also make sure they know the procedure for their radio to be factory reset.? When I have heard people tell me their radio was bricked, I ask a few questions and find that the radio just wasn't acting as they thought so they called it "bricked" and sent it back for repair.? I find CHIRP to be a powerful utility for using programmable radios.? I recommend it for your use.
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Al Skierkiewicz
WB9UVJ
 

I have used the Bob Freeth G4HFQ program available at?https://www.m0lxq.com/g4hfq/download.html There are also programmes available for several other Yaesu radios; I use the 7900 & 8900 versions also.? There is a PDF document associated with the programmes which has the passwords to activate the software for life.
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Mike - G8NSZ

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