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I have the Superantennas MP-1 with the FT-817 mounting bracket and
all the other accessories.

The MP-1 is probably the most versatile, and efficient whip antenna I
have ever used for multi-band HF Pedestrian Mobile operation. Using
the stainless steel tip and assembled for base-loading, the
combination makes a very durable backpacking or shoulder-strap walking
whip. With the telescopic tip and aluminum mast extensions it is
perfect for compact travel carry-on packages and fixed portable
setups or rental car mobile.

I have recently been using the MP-1 as a vehicle mobile antenna, and
have found it to be favorably comparable in efficiency to my High
Sierra 1500 at 14MHz~29MHz.

The MP-1 antenna is in the right place at the right time for HF
Portable popularity and the FT-817.

Bonnie KQ6XA

--- In FT817@y..., howlingwolf@r... wrote:

Does anyone know if ham accessories are any cheaper there? How

about

stuff like the Maldol antenna? I've been told that rigs are about

the

same or a little more expensive.

You will find it more expensive because of taxes. Right now the
dollar is strong against the Yen, also.

Keith

--- In FT817@y..., "Pres Waterman" <pres@1...> wrote:

Well, a correction is in order. I thought I was asked the total

sold, not

just in the US but worldwide. And I heard 8,000 from Barry, W4WB

who heard

that directly from Yaesu.

Well that equals $6,000,000 dollars in sales at the price of $750.00.
Who said you can't make money selling ham gear?

Keith

Hi,
Does anyone know where I can find information on reading Yaesu Date
codes on Amateur radio products?

Keith

Well, a correction is in order. I thought I was asked the total sold, not
just in the US but worldwide. And I heard 8,000 from Barry, W4WB who heard
that directly from Yaesu.

Since there are over 1200 members here, and over 400 on the other ( dash )
list, to think that about 1500 people are here on Yahoogroups makes 8000
rigs seem reasonable.

Heck, this may be Yaesu's most successful launch ever but that is a guess

Pres Waterman W2PW
c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc.
Long Island Ford and Kia dealer

GO BILLS!

The following is part of a message that was posted on QRP-L earlier today.
I thought those who do not subscribe to that list might be interested in
this ...

From: "Doug Hendricks" <ki6ds@...>
To: "Low Power Amateur Radio Discussion" <qrp-l@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:15 AM
Subject: 10,000 QRP New Rigs Sold!!! Be Friendly, Have Fun & the TT2

Guys, I just found out something absolutely amazing to me. Press

Waterman

runs the FT817 list, and I asked him how many FT817's had been sold in the
US. He came back with an answer that absolutely astounded me. 8000!!

No,

that is not 800, but 8000 as in 8K.

Pretty amazing stuff....

73,
Stephen
W3SMK

Paul -- I think your message was intended for me.
Here at my office highrise box, the window doesn't open. It's a new
building, double or triple paned with lead I'd imagine.
I can barely hear anything on the '817 at all on HF at any time -- a few

SW

broadcasters and faint WWV from time to time. It's amazing
considering that it's on the 32nd floor but there's a lot of glass
surrounding me too from other angles of the building.
From home, on the ground, with a groundless MFJ vertical up 15m from an
antenna tuner all is fantastic as well as on the road,
so I know it's the QTH not the rig.

It is not surprising that HF/MW does not work at height. You need GROUND for
lower frequencies

Pres Waterman W2PW
c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc.
Long Island Ford and Kia dealer

GO BILLS!

Well - OF COURSE A DIPOLE WORKS BETTER - it is a balanced antenna
that doesn't require a counterpoise (or groundplane - call it what
you like) and it isn't shortened with loading coils. That is ONE of
the reason that all (honest) antenna performance is pretty much
referenced to a dipole

That being said - I have both antennas, as well as the Maldols. The
ATX was the fussiest to get to resonate, but we have managed that. I
have NEVER had a problem getting the MP1 to tune, but discarded those
radials in favor of 4 of 17' 14 guage flexweave antenna wire
(slightly longer than a 1/4 wave on 20). I have worked JA's on 40 CW
on the Maldols. Alaska on 20 SSB with the ATX. Ohio from Manzanillo,
Mexico on PSK31, etc, etc, etc.

BUT NO ANTENNA is going to make up for propogation - especially with
a 5 watt radio. NO ANTENNA is going to tune the same when the
environment surrounding it changes. NO ANTENNA that is physically
shortened with small diameter loading coils, especially one at the
base of the whip, is going to perform like a full size dipole, even
if the dipole is olnl a few feet off the ground. During the mid 70's,
I used to carry around a HW7 and a 15 meter dipole that I would throw
up between some trees in parks around Southern California and get on
CW during a lunch break. I practically had to beat the JA's off with
a stick!

But the point here is I for one am tired of everyone whining that
this antenna or that antenna doesn't work as well as a dipole - OF
COURSE IT DOESN'T!!! It is the LAWS OF PHYSICS and there is no way to
amend them. You have to comprimise for convienience!

If you find this all baffeleing - get a copy of an Antenna Book from
the ARRL or RSGB and READ IT - don't just put it on the shelf and
admire how nice it looks there. If you REALLLY want your eyes opened,
get a copy of Moxon's HF Antennas for All Locations from the RSGB. I
probably have well over a dozen and a half antenna books, and EVERY
one has SOME valuable tidbit in it. I've been doing this stuff for
damned near 40 years now, have made a somewhat sucessful business out
of HF SSB in marine applications, but hardly a week goes by when I
don't learn or discover something new.

BUT IT ISN'T EASY - THIS STUFF CAN BE TOUGH AND CAN TAKE A LOT OF
TIME AND EFFORT TO MAKE IT WORK RIGHT - BUT IF IT ISN'T WORKING
RIGHT - NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I HAVE MADE SOME OF THE DUMBEST
MISTAKES WITH OVER 100 YEARS OF COMBINED EXPERIENCE LOOKING AT THE
PROBLEM - BUT THAT IS HOW YOU LEARN!!!





--- In FT817@y..., harry.edwards@s... wrote:

--- In FT817@y..., julian@t... wrote:

Well, I spent USD 225 on the MP-1, 80m coil, tripod and

telescopic

whip, plus about 40 quid on VAT and duty when it arrived, and I

can't

use the thing at all. So I'm even more fed up.

Even without a counterpoise, the ATX works well enough for casual
listening around on the bands, which the FT-817 is handy for. It

fits

handily on to the radio without needing a stand. It loads up with

a

decent SWR on 10m - 17m using a 5m steel measuring tape I bought

for

4 quid in the local hardware store. I can get a respectable SWR

on

40m using the end-loaded wire counterpoise I made up, though I

can't

say I've made any contacts on that band. I'm still having

problems

with 20m though.

So I'm happier with the ATX than I am with the MP-1. Since the
antenna supplied by Yaesu isn't even any use for HF listening,

it's

probably worth having for that reason alone.

But a dipole up even a few feet would probably work better. On

the

Elecraft list there was a report today from a guy who made his

first

contact with the K1 he built using a dipole laying on the ground.

Who

knows whether an ATX or MP-1 works better than a dipole at ground
level? :-)

Julian, G4ILO

--- In FT817@y..., "David Perry" <david.perry3@v...> wrote:

Glad you said this. I concluded this a week orr so ago and

feel

really fed

up that I spend fifty quid on my ATX. Suppose you have to try

though, to

find out the truth as it were. A dipole and a stick is what we

need. Even

alkabout we should use the ProAm stuff.

Don't like the ATX at all.


For Sale...one ATX 30 quid plus postage.

David G4YVM

Gentlemen..I went through my log from last weekend. I noted that

all

the stations I worked were using either a dipole or a beam. I

worked a

station in the state of Virginia (about 3,000 miles) and he was

also

using an 817 and a dipole.
I'm going to continue to experiment with my MP1, but my dipole goes

up

at 30' this weekend. At this point I am loosing interest in taking
the time to experiment with the counterpoise issue and the MP-1.

WAC and WAS QRP or die trying!!

:harry

Hi Arian. Any accessories from the U.S. or Europe are much more expensive
here. You might find some Japanese antennas slightly cheaper, but there
will be a greater variety than you are likely to find in any ham store in
the States. The Japanese bands for both HF and VHF/UHF tend to be slightly
different
on the freq ranges so you likely want to avoid buying rigs here for overseas
use. (Singapore is more of a bargain and the ht's sold there under the
counter are usually 'snipped' to give total coverage outside ham bands
too).

There are a number of stores in Akihabara devoted to ham radio (or primarily
ham radio) but the whole area is a maze if you've not navigated it before
(we don't have traditional street addresses here.) The Akihabara Ham Shop
Association puts out a map in Japanese which is titled (in English)
"Enjoy Ham Shop Guide." When you get to Japan, drop me an e-mail with your
hotel fax number and I can fax it over to you.
If you're good at reading maps, you likely can do a decent job of navigating
even if you don't know Japanese and if you stop people and point at the
map, they will be eager to point you in the right direction.

72,

Steven
7J1AIL
K7USJ


cq@...

Paul -- I think your message was intended for me.
Here at my office highrise box, the window doesn't open. It's a new
building, double or triple paned with lead I'd imagine.
I can barely hear anything on the '817 at all on HF at any time -- a few SW
broadcasters and faint WWV from time to time. It's amazing
considering that it's on the 32nd floor but there's a lot of glass
surrounding me too from other angles of the building.
From home, on the ground, with a groundless MFJ vertical up 15m from an
antenna tuner all is fantastic as well as on the road,
so I know it's the QTH not the rig.

This post references two very good sites for acquiring loops for use with
QRP. One very significant and major difference between these loops (bent
1/2 wavelength) and the MFJ and AEA loops is that the MFJ/AEA loops are very
small (36 inches) and are considered magnetic loops, not like the larger
electrical loops. If your planning to go portable with the 817 and a loop,
You might want to consider the magnetic loop. An 80 meter dual coil
magnetic loop is about 42 inches in diameter!!

Pres; do you have an e-mail address other than here?

Thanks

You bring up a very good point when using qrp power like the ft-817. That
is the high voltages are not nearly as high as one would expect when using a
100 watt rig!

The two turn loop uses a small 1/2 inch wide by 4 inch piece plastic, 90
degrees to the plane of the two loops. By moving one loop closer or further
away you can change the capacitance. Once resonance is found, lock the loop
to the plastic. You should be able to do this with the FT-817 with no fear
of getting "zapped"

I was so glad to find this list because I had just bought an FT-817
and wanted opinions on the MP-1 and ATX but I soon realized "location'
made a big difference and since I am in a valley half way up the side
of the Sandia Mountains in New Mexico...and no one else seems to live
in a similar place, I decided to get both antennas and try them out
for my own circumstances. Thank you all for your opinions, experiments
and successes. I shall be re-reading the posts when the antennas come
in! Jo K5HOY (near the village of Placitas)

Trying to reads the manual several times while looking for 2 line
phrase and playing with the 817 setup menu can be frustating when
something does not work. It WAS the FAST option enabled which doubled
tuning speeds. Thanks all for your responses. Much appreciated.

Jacques VE3TSC

Roger, it was this. In our frustation of palying with the radio menu and looking several times thru themanual, we miss that 2 line phrase mentioning this. Works great now and thanks for the info.

Jacques VE3TSC

I have an AES loop, similar to the MFJ except the loop is made out of flat
aluminum strip material about 2 inches (5 mm?) tall, and is flexible enough
to squeeze into small openings. Too bad AES went belly up...


73,

Charles
WA5VHU

Julian:

I am curious when you say the MP1 won't work at all.

Possibly I am not being as fussy but I just got off the air with a Seattle
station on 30M and I am presently in Chicago on the ground floor of a
warehouse with the MP1 sitting in front of the window sitting on its tripod
with the counterpoise wires laying across the furniture in the room.

I have never attached my MFJ analyzer to the antenna just have tuned it with
the 817's SWR readout using the mike and the mode on AM. I am always able to
get the SWR reading down to less than 1 bar with a little experimentation.
If I use the 817 bracket for hand carry and drag the counterpoise the SWR
will go up and down as I walk, but I have been able to make numerous contacts.

At home I do connect the 817 up to a dipole and its performance is much
better as much as 3 S units but I guess I expected that and wanted the MP1 to
help out when I was on the road especially sitting in hotels.

When I get home I will put my analyzer on the MP1 and report back with the
results.
It sure has worked well for me.

Paul
KB8VWV

--- In FT817@y..., julian@t... wrote:

Well, I spent USD 225 on the MP-1, 80m coil, tripod and telescopic
whip, plus about 40 quid on VAT and duty when it arrived, and I

can't

use the thing at all. So I'm even more fed up.

Even without a counterpoise, the ATX works well enough for casual
listening around on the bands, which the FT-817 is handy for. It

fits

handily on to the radio without needing a stand. It loads up with a
decent SWR on 10m - 17m using a 5m steel measuring tape I bought for
4 quid in the local hardware store. I can get a respectable SWR on
40m using the end-loaded wire counterpoise I made up, though I can't
say I've made any contacts on that band. I'm still having problems
with 20m though.

So I'm happier with the ATX than I am with the MP-1. Since the
antenna supplied by Yaesu isn't even any use for HF listening, it's
probably worth having for that reason alone.

But a dipole up even a few feet would probably work better. On the
Elecraft list there was a report today from a guy who made his first
contact with the K1 he built using a dipole laying on the ground.

Who

knows whether an ATX or MP-1 works better than a dipole at ground
level? :-)

Julian, G4ILO

--- In FT817@y..., "David Perry" <david.perry3@v...> wrote:

Glad you said this. I concluded this a week orr so ago and feel

really fed

up that I spend fifty quid on my ATX. Suppose you have to try

though, to

find out the truth as it were. A dipole and a stick is what we

need. Even

alkabout we should use the ProAm stuff.

Don't like the ATX at all.


For Sale...one ATX 30 quid plus postage.

David G4YVM

Gentlemen..I went through my log from last weekend. I noted that all
the stations I worked were using either a dipole or a beam. I worked a
station in the state of Virginia (about 3,000 miles) and he was also
using an 817 and a dipole.
I'm going to continue to experiment with my MP1, but my dipole goes up
at 30' this weekend. At this point I am loosing interest in taking
the time to experiment with the counterpoise issue and the MP-1.

WAC and WAS QRP or die trying!!

:harry

FYI, my buddy got a Z-11 from HRO for $160-something at midday
Saturday, and I noticed they had about a dozen left at quitting time
Sunday afternoon. (FWIW, they were at the top on the far left end of
the HRO area.) Good luck with the SGC -- it looked very good (other
than the current requirement, as you noted).

Tom, KC5UN



--- In FT817@y..., "Tim Ellam" <ve6sh@r...> wrote:

While at Dayton I could not find any vendor with a Z11 for sale(all

sold out by late Friday)....<snip>

Tim VE6SH

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