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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
Anyone know the part number of the FETs on the 817s PA board???
On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 04:45:51 PM EDT, Lou Blasco <vk3alb@...> wrote:
Hi Pat, Someone posted a in this email showing how the guy from TRX bench replaces the finals. It's not for everyone but he did it with basic tools. Regards Lou VK3ALB On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 6:11?AM Pat Campbell via <Wa3uoe=[email protected]> wrote: I have attached a picture of the final board (front and rear view). I |
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Re: Ft-817 bad finals update
If we "all" order 2, 3, 4, or 5 I think Yaesu would have to run tens of thousands of boards... (there are over 9,000 list members, and over a quarter-million FT-817/817ND/818 were sold)
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Ken, N2VIP On Aug 6, 2024, at 20:35, Dean, N2TNN <N2tnn@...> wrote: |
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Re: Ft-817 bad finals update
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Scott,
Just call Yaesu and order the boards. I am getting 3. I am keeping my original 817 for a long time so I am stocking up. Get as many boards that you feel comfortable with. Replacing the board is not that difficult.
Put your order in ... If we all submit an order, any order 2,3,4 5 I would think it would be attractive for Yaesu to run a few hundred boards.
Dean
N2TNN
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of D. Scott MacKenzie <kb0fhp@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2024 7:47 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ft817] Ft-817 bad finals update ?
I am certainly willing to send my FT817 (older) to someone to repair.? I would rather do that than relegate it to an electronic rrecycling – as that is all it is worth without the finals ? Scott aka KB0FHP ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Ron Wright via groups.io ? When I replaced my 3rd FT817(non-ND) like 5 years ago it was the newer one Yaesu was shipping with the FT817 when it was still in production.? So yes the newer PAs will work with any FT817, ND or not. ? Not sure about the FT818 for it had 6W output, but bet it is very similar or identical.? Probably to get that extra 1W just required more drive. ? But shame the PA board is no longer available from Yaesu, but I have found them to be that way.? Had FT8100 nice dual band 2m/440 rig that lost power output.? At the time was less than 5 years old.? Sent to Yaesu repair and they sent back stating they no longer service them.? They did not charge return shipping, I guess something.? I found the power control voltage to the PA module was bad.? I jumpered 12 volts to the pin and for last 20 years rig is putting out 50W no matter what the rig display says, hi. ? Most of these repair facilities only want to work on gear their techs are familiar with.? As with repair of anything the tech has seen the problem many times before so knows quickly what to do and how to do it.? Time is money. ? Now we need someone who can take existing FT817 or FT818 PA boards and learn how to repair them.? As you suggested replacing the FETs is probably all that is needed for most.? Just need the FET part number. ? 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE/R Hernando Co ARES EC Spring Hill, Florida also n9ee55@... ? ? On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 09:44:29 PM EDT, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote: ? ? That part number is for the FT-818 board... ? Mike, ? This is the order I placed today. The parts lady understood what I wanted and this is my order... ? 3.00 0.00 3.00 EA B CB1333004 EA 26.17 78.51 1.0 FT-817 FINAL UNIT ? She did say the units had not time set for delivery. ? Dean N2TNN From:
[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mike Bryce <prosolar@...> ? Gang ? A update on the status of the FT-817 Final unit ? First off a bit of Yaesu clarification? ? The board that holds the output transistors is called the Final Unit and is number FR006000. Which mounts on top of the PA board, FR005190 ? According to Yaesu part lady, NO Final units are in stock. NONE are planned to be ordered. ? According to the Yaesu service guy, Yaesu WILL NOT service the original FT-817. They will service the FT-871-ND and the FT-818. ? Ah! You say! Don't they use the same final board? I asked that, too.? ? Mike wb8vge |
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Re: Ft-817 bad finals update
Hi Scott,
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? ?There are independent people in the business of repairing ham equipment. A while back one of them advertised $75 plus parts to repair most rigs. Probably more now. I'm sure the better ones have good reviews. ? ?I commented earlier about buying the transistors for a home repair without realizing that they're surface mount. I'm very experienced generally but never worked with SMT. It might put me off from a home repair even for myself now that I've learned about the component type. ? ?It's still a good receiver on it's own though. Useful for spotting and for SWL. What I don't know is if there's a separate finals section for the high bands or not. I'm sure others here have that information. Joe N1KHB?
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Re: Ft-817 bad finals update
开云体育I am certainly willing to send my FT817 (older) to someone to repair.? I would rather do that than relegate it to an electronic rrecycling – as that is all it is worth without the finals ? Scott aka KB0FHP ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ron Wright via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2024 3:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ft817] Ft-817 bad finals update ? When I replaced my 3rd FT817(non-ND) like 5 years ago it was the newer one Yaesu was shipping with the FT817 when it was still in production.? So yes the newer PAs will work with any FT817, ND or not. ? Not sure about the FT818 for it had 6W output, but bet it is very similar or identical.? Probably to get that extra 1W just required more drive. ? But shame the PA board is no longer available from Yaesu, but I have found them to be that way.? Had FT8100 nice dual band 2m/440 rig that lost power output.? At the time was less than 5 years old.? Sent to Yaesu repair and they sent back stating they no longer service them.? They did not charge return shipping, I guess something.? I found the power control voltage to the PA module was bad.? I jumpered 12 volts to the pin and for last 20 years rig is putting out 50W no matter what the rig display says, hi. ? Most of these repair facilities only want to work on gear their techs are familiar with.? As with repair of anything the tech has seen the problem many times before so knows quickly what to do and how to do it.? Time is money. ? Now we need someone who can take existing FT817 or FT818 PA boards and learn how to repair them.? As you suggested replacing the FETs is probably all that is needed for most.? Just need the FET part number. ? 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE/R Hernando Co ARES EC Spring Hill, Florida also n9ee55@... ? ? On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 09:44:29 PM EDT, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote: ? ? That part number is for the FT-818 board... ? Mike, ? This is the order I placed today. The parts lady understood what I wanted and this is my order... ? 3.00 0.00 3.00 EA B CB1333004 EA 26.17 78.51 1.0 FT-817 FINAL UNIT ? She did say the units had not time set for delivery. ? Dean N2TNN From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mike Bryce <prosolar@...> ? Gang ? A update on the status of the FT-817 Final unit ? First off a bit of Yaesu clarification? ? The board that holds the output transistors is called the Final Unit and is number FR006000. Which mounts on top of the PA board, FR005190 ? According to Yaesu part lady, NO Final units are in stock. NONE are planned to be ordered. ? According to the Yaesu service guy, Yaesu WILL NOT service the original FT-817. They will service the FT-871-ND and the FT-818. ? Ah! You say! Don't they use the same final board? I asked that, too.? ? Mike wb8vge |
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
Hi Pat, Someone posted a in this email showing how the guy from TRX bench replaces the finals. It's not for everyone but he did it with basic tools. Regards Lou VK3ALB On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 6:11?AM Pat Campbell via <Wa3uoe=[email protected]> wrote: I have attached a picture of the final board (front and rear view). I |
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
I have attached a picture of the final board (front and rear view). I have done a lot of radio repairs and soldering in my career and I'm not sure I would even know where to start to remove the final from this board. This is a failed final from an early FT-817 (Non ND).
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Pat, WA3UOE On 8/6/2024 1:27 PM, D. Scott MacKenzie via groups.io wrote:
My soldering skills are really not up to the task. Is there anyone that can do this? Apparently Yaesu wont repair any longer. |
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Re: Ft-817 bad finals update
I meant "When I replaced my 3rd FT817(non-ND) PA like 5 years ago"
On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 03:25:15 PM EDT, Ron Wright via groups.io <lt_wright_flg@...> wrote:
When I replaced my 3rd FT817(non-ND) like 5 years ago it was the newer one Yaesu was shipping with the FT817 when it was still in production.? So yes the newer PAs will work with any FT817, ND or not. Not sure about the FT818 for it had 6W output, but bet it is very similar or identical.? Probably to get that extra 1W just required more drive. But shame the PA board is no longer available from Yaesu, but I have found them to be that way.? Had FT8100 nice dual band 2m/440 rig that lost power output.? At the time was less than 5 years old.? Sent to Yaesu repair and they sent back stating they no longer service them.? They did not charge return shipping, I guess something.? I found the power control voltage to the PA module was bad.? I jumpered 12 volts to the pin and for last 20 years rig is putting out 50W no matter what the rig display says, hi. Most of these repair facilities only want to work on gear their techs are familiar with.? As with repair of anything the tech has seen the problem many times before so knows quickly what to do and how to do it.? Time is money. Now we need someone who can take existing FT817 or FT818 PA boards and learn how to repair them.? As you suggested replacing the FETs is probably all that is needed for most.? Just need the FET part number.
On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 09:44:29 PM EDT, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote:
That part number is for the FT-818 board... Ken, N2VIP On Aug 5, 2024, at 20:38, Dean, N2TNN <N2tnn@...> wrote:
Mike,
This is the order I placed today. The parts lady understood what I wanted and this is my order...
3.00 0.00 3.00 EA B CB1333004 EA 26.17 78.51 1.0 FT-817 FINAL UNIT
She did say the units had not time set for delivery.
Dean
N2TNN
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mike Bryce <prosolar@...>
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2024 7:22 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [ft817] Ft-817 bad finals update ?
Gang
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A update on the status of the FT-817 Final unit
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First off a bit of Yaesu clarification?
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The board that holds the output transistors is called the Final Unit and is number FR006000. Which mounts on top of the PA board, FR005190
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According to Yaesu part lady, NO Final units are in stock. NONE are planned to be ordered.
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According to the Yaesu service guy, Yaesu WILL NOT service the original FT-817. They will service the FT-871-ND and the FT-818.
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Ah! You say! Don't they use the same final board? I asked that, too.?
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Mike wb8vge
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Re: Ft-817 bad finals update
When I replaced my 3rd FT817(non-ND) like 5 years ago it was the newer one Yaesu was shipping with the FT817 when it was still in production.? So yes the newer PAs will work with any FT817, ND or not. Not sure about the FT818 for it had 6W output, but bet it is very similar or identical.? Probably to get that extra 1W just required more drive. But shame the PA board is no longer available from Yaesu, but I have found them to be that way.? Had FT8100 nice dual band 2m/440 rig that lost power output.? At the time was less than 5 years old.? Sent to Yaesu repair and they sent back stating they no longer service them.? They did not charge return shipping, I guess something.? I found the power control voltage to the PA module was bad.? I jumpered 12 volts to the pin and for last 20 years rig is putting out 50W no matter what the rig display says, hi. Most of these repair facilities only want to work on gear their techs are familiar with.? As with repair of anything the tech has seen the problem many times before so knows quickly what to do and how to do it.? Time is money. Now we need someone who can take existing FT817 or FT818 PA boards and learn how to repair them.? As you suggested replacing the FETs is probably all that is needed for most.? Just need the FET part number.
On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 09:44:29 PM EDT, Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote:
That part number is for the FT-818 board... Ken, N2VIP On Aug 5, 2024, at 20:38, Dean, N2TNN <N2tnn@...> wrote:
Mike,
This is the order I placed today. The parts lady understood what I wanted and this is my order...
3.00 0.00 3.00 EA B CB1333004 EA 26.17 78.51 1.0 FT-817 FINAL UNIT
She did say the units had not time set for delivery.
Dean
N2TNN
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mike Bryce <prosolar@...>
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2024 7:22 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [ft817] Ft-817 bad finals update ?
Gang
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A update on the status of the FT-817 Final unit
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First off a bit of Yaesu clarification?
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The board that holds the output transistors is called the Final Unit and is number FR006000. Which mounts on top of the PA board, FR005190
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According to Yaesu part lady, NO Final units are in stock. NONE are planned to be ordered.
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According to the Yaesu service guy, Yaesu WILL NOT service the original FT-817. They will service the FT-871-ND and the FT-818.
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Ah! You say! Don't they use the same final board? I asked that, too.?
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Mike wb8vge
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
I think Jeff has had his FT817 working, just started giving low power indications. I also think he said he had tested on dummy load and meter.? If not that would be the better test.
On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 01:40:37 PM EDT, Joseph Wonoski via groups.io <n1khb@...> wrote:
Just get the transistors. Joe N1KHB?
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
Just get the transistors.
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
My soldering skills are really not up to the task. Is there anyone that can do this? Apparently Yaesu wont repair any longer.
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Scott aka KB0FHP -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Luis Miguel Casta?eda via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ft817] Blown final club? I think I have a membership Some third parties still sell the boards... at their prince, which isn't as cheap as they used to be. Also if you're sure that it's just a transistors fault the same mitsubishi that came with my 817ND can be bought relatively cheap from major retailers. IIRC it was 7 euros each about a year ago. Original 817 uses an older model, and a different board which I don't know how easy to find it is. Anyway isn't an easy soldering job. my 2c On Tuesday, August 06 2024, 09:15:29, D. Scott MacKenzie via groups.io wrote: I have blown finals after I lent to son. I put off getting new finals-- El ánimo que piensa en lo que puede temer, empieza a temer en lo que puede pensar. --- Quevedo |
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
开云体育Thank you very much ? Scott aka KB0FHP ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of VE1RNM via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ft817] Blown final club? I think I have a membership ? Good morning to the Group, Dean, the part number CB1333004 is correct, I purchased my spare finials from yaesu USA with Beatriz Velarde as my contact in August of 2019 and she confirmed that this final works with all models of the 817 including the original and of course the 818nd that had been released the year before replacing the 817nd after a 14 year run on that model. When I bought my 818nd in January 2023, it came with a 3 year warranty, so they have to keep spare parts available at least until 2026. Vy 73 ? On Tue., Aug. 6, 2024, 10:15 a.m. D. Scott MacKenzie via , <kb0fhp=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
On Tuesday, August 06 2024, 11:13:20, VE1RNM via groups.io wrote:
For their own repairs, not for sale. When I bought my 818nd in January 2023, it came with a 3 year warranty, so they have-- Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. --- Aldous Huxley |
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
Some third parties still sell the boards... at their prince, which isn't as cheap as they used to be. Also if you're sure that it's just a transistors fault the same mitsubishi that came with my 817ND can be bought relatively cheap from major retailers. IIRC it was 7 euros each about a year ago. Original 817 uses an older model, and a different board which I don't know how easy to find it is.
Anyway isn't an easy soldering job. my 2c On Tuesday, August 06 2024, 09:15:29, D. Scott MacKenzie via groups.io wrote: I have blown finals after I lent to son. I put off getting new finals board, and now it looks-- El ánimo que piensa en lo que puede temer, empieza a temer en lo que puede pensar. --- Quevedo |
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
Good morning to the Group, Dean, the part number CB1333004 is correct, I purchased my spare finials from yaesu USA with Beatriz Velarde as my contact in August of 2019 and she confirmed that this final works with all models of the 817 including the original and of course the 818nd that had been released the year before replacing the 817nd after a 14 year run on that model. When I bought my 818nd in January 2023, it came with a 3 year warranty, so they have to keep spare parts available at least until 2026. Vy 73 On Tue., Aug. 6, 2024, 10:15 a.m. D. Scott MacKenzie via , <kb0fhp=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
开云体育I have blown finals after I lent to son.? I put off getting new finals board, and now it looks like I have an expensive brick with very low time on it.? I saw some recently say they ordered the boards, and some say they are unavailable.? What is the real story?? Is there an alternative that tossing the 817 in electronics recycling? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Eric van de Weyer via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2024 12:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ft817] Blown final club? I think I have a membership ? Hi Jeff, ? You have to remember that there are over a quarter of a million of the units out there so there are bound to be some failures. ? Remember, also, that the early units with the bipolar transistors were more prone to taking off under low battery conditions and blowing up the finals due to there being no load on them ? 73….Eric VK2VE. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeff WN1MB ? On first blush, that appears to be an excessively high mortality rate. Any thoughts on "the why" of it all? On 8/5/24 16:29, Ron Wright via groups.io wrote:
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开云体育I was told by Yaesu UK a few months ago that the 817nd display is no longer available.Sorry chaps, I’ve gone FT991a and very happy with the rig Ivor G4RJA On 5 Aug 2024, at 21:53, Ron Wright via groups.io <lt_wright_flg@...> wrote:
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Re: Blown final club? I think I have a membership
开云体育Hi Jeff, ? You have to remember that there are over a quarter of a million of the units out there so there are bound to be some failures. ? Remember, also, that the early units with the bipolar transistors were more prone to taking off under low battery conditions and blowing up the finals due to there being no load on them ? 73….Eric VK2VE. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeff WN1MB
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2024 6:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ft817] Blown final club? I think I have a membership ? On first blush, that appears to be an excessively high mortality rate. Any thoughts on "the why" of it all? On 8/5/24 16:29, Ron Wright via groups.io wrote:
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