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Blech? It's the same interface all the time, you just have to (I know
it's tough) set the interfaces the same on each end.

Or maybe we should require the manufacturers to support USB, Firewire,
IRDA, Bluetooth, ethernet, fast ethernet, gigabit ethernet, and
NetBIOS, Appletalk, NFS, Netware... Oh I forgot all the flavors of
token ring and all the rest of the network types and all the other
ways of coding the data packets and control packets. Wait a minute
HIPPI would be good, too. Really screams.

Not to sound like a Luddite, but no thanks, serial is everywhere, and
speed is not an issue here. I'd like my 5 year old Win98 laptop to be
able to control a rig, as well as my latest Unix server. With a
simple 3 wire cable and maybe a level converter.

USB, ether, etc. as additionally supported types, OK, I'll go for
that, but serial should be the base.

tom
wa2phw

--- In FT817@y..., "Gregory W. Ratcliff" <gratcliff@p...> wrote:

Serial ports! Blech. It's always the wrong type, wrong speed, wrong
format.

What are the alternatives?

USB is pretty neat and is being put everywhere
Firewire is faster and coming on motherboards
IRDA is growing by leaps and bounds and is rf quiet
Bluetooth is growing but noisy RF wise
Wireless Ethernet is $12.00 in hardware and pretty quiet
Hardwired Ethernet is $15.00 in hardware and quiet if precautions

are

followed.

Greg
nz8r






-----Original Message-----
From: wiese@j... [mailto:wiese@j...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:25 PM
To: FT817@y...
Subject: [FT817] Radios and USB (Univ Serial Bus) - No no no!






Folks...

Just had to add this as reading the comment (appended below) drove

me

outta lurk mode... No, no, no, no. Please, O Lord, no! No USB on
radios.

--- In FT817@y..., "Bill Wiese"<wiese@j...> wrote:

If I've gotta have a 'puter near my rig, it's gonna be a Palm or

WinCE box (Linuxized?)

with a lot of metal around it. No PCs. Or maybe the Agenda

Computing MIPS-based

Linux palmtop
( )

You know, the agenda palmtop 1) runs linux 2) has fairly respectable
processor specs and 3) has an audio in/out port.

Can you say Pedestrian Mobile PSK31?

--
Brian N0KZ

*No* noise problems here with the RS switching PS...been using it for
about six months. Even with it alongside my FT-817 with Rubber duck
antenna I have *no* noise whatsoever - even on 440! On the HF bands
I have a roof mounted g5RV/2 just above my shack. No noise problems
here either...Guess it must depend on the individual unit.

Fred KD7T


--- In FT817@y..., Nick Marsh <nmar@e...> wrote:

"Curtis, Tony" wrote:

Regarding switching power supply noise...

I have been using a small Radio Shack 13.8 VDC 3A regulated

switching

power
supply with my '817 with very limited hash problems, none where I

have

wanted to operate. It is catalog number 22-503 at $49.99.

Are you using an outside antenna? My RS supply like this is a real

noise

generator. I'd bet the output looks like a comb on an o-scope!

Can't use

it with 817 mounted antenna at all.

Nick
WB4SQI

I think you're speaking from a very PC-centric view. Many of us don't wanna
use a PC - even a laptop - that drains more power heating the CPU than which
is radiated by the antenna - just something "sick & wrong" about that. I want
that battery life to be spent on op time putting out RF ;-)

If I've gotta have a 'puter near my rig, it's gonna be a Palm or WinCE box (Linuxized?)
with a lot of metal around it. No PCs. Or maybe the Agenda Computing MIPS-based
Linux palmtop
( )


For adding small, low-power smarts to a variety of things, microcontrollers
where everything is on one chip (or a couple) are the way to go. PICs & 8051s
on the low end, 8051XAs,
68HC12s, MSP430s for 16-bit midrange, and ARM7 Thumbs for 32 bit speed/power
efficiency. These all interface nicely via serial connections.

And if one can't get the bit rate, parity, etc. right I suspect that person
may have a hard time running a radio. I've never understood why it was so hard,
as it's never taken me (in the past 20 yrs playing with 'puters) more than a
minute or two to configure serial communications. [Except poss on PCs where
there used to be IRQ wars - but that's a PC architecture fault.]

I wouldn't let USB or Firewire Ether* anything near a radio trying to acquire
a weak signal, unless I needed a noise generator for test purposes ;-) Just
because it passes FCC Part B doesn't mean you want it raising the noise floor
while working DX.

In fact, if I really needed control of a radio and it had a USB port on it but
no serial port I wouldn't buy it (unless I could reverse-engineer it and and
one on).

And this is from someone who eats, breathes, sleeps computers and writes imaging
software for USB digital cameras...

73 Bill N6AOT
San Mateo, CA

Geoff Wicks wrote:

Hello All,

I'm Geoff Wicks, the author of the Palm/PCR1000 PCRPilot program.

Hi Geoff,

I used PCRPilot on my Icom PCR1000 until I sold the radio. I really
enjoyed using the Palm to change frequencies on the receiver.

I also have a Palm program to monitor my OptoReceiver (A GRE computer
controlled scanner). My only wish is that Opto had devised a method of
uploading frequencies to the receiver.

Which brings me to my point. If you do a program for the FT817, my
interest is memory management only, uploading different memory profiles
is the only reason I would connect the Palm to the 817.

I believe there is a lot of support for a Palm version of FTBasic but
just how complex does it need to be? Duplicating the radio front panel
and controls on the Palm doesn't make much sense to me.

Good luck on your endeavor...

73

Nick
WB4SQI

From: KG4CHX@...
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 18:53:21 -0000

I am trying to get out of connector business, they are a Royal Pain,
but I will continue until a commercial source is found. There are 2
options to rolling your own: Barry's One Plug solution is briallant,

All of the above need a rapid charger to keep packs charged, internal
charger is slow and vague on proper charge. Maha's new C777 Plus is
great unless you want to charge from 12V source, car etc, will only
do 4.8V from 12V source. I have mentioned before I use a Simprop
charger from Germany. They are also avaolable under FMA lable, same
charger. I am polling group to see if there is interest in mass
purchase. I will buy 50 FMA chargers and try and sell for around
$100, list $130. This is a very robust charger typical German
quality. It does cycling and charging with display of capacity, and
also charges 12V Lead, SLA and Gel batteries. How many of you would
be interested. The more interest the better price I can get. I have
small R/C supply business and can purchase large quanity.
See
look under battery chargers.

I gather that the one you're talking about for a group buy is the one
labeled FC700? That would be good, and I'm interested.

Looking at the other items on that page is interesting also. It looks
as if the one labeled MFC100 would be a good small charger for the
W4RT One Plug battery. Since you seem to be knowledgeable about these
things, can you comment on that?

73, doug

"Curtis, Tony" wrote:

Regarding switching power supply noise...

I have been using a small Radio Shack 13.8 VDC 3A regulated switching
power
supply with my '817 with very limited hash problems, none where I have
wanted to operate. It is catalog number 22-503 at $49.99.

Are you using an outside antenna? My RS supply like this is a real noise
generator. I'd bet the output looks like a comb on an o-scope! Can't use
it with 817 mounted antenna at all.

Nick
WB4SQI

Do to not camping or hiking much, I'm selling or trading my setup. I
have a FT-817 with RS 1600mah battery pack, LDG Z11 tuner, W&S ATX
Walkabout, CT-26 mod-to-8pin mic connector w/headset. I have
box/manual for the 817 and Z11. Also a Diamond GZV-4000 40amp PS. All
equipment in great shape. I perfer trading for a IC-746/FT-847 or?,
or $1000 for all plus help on the shipping if it ends that way. If
within 150 miles of Detroit I will throw in a 7amp gelcel w/charger.
Email me direct if interested (wa8vbx@...), and I will not
seperate.
Best
Kurt

yes... I have the same problem.... but mine seems to work in cw when the ssb filter selection is set on (just the opposite). Also noticed that the number on the box is exact but the number on the collins filter is a little different?

Dave

From: jerrys@...
Reply-To: FT817@...
To: FT817@...
Subject: [FT817] CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 03:47:19 -0000

Hello FT817 owners,
I bought my FT817 at Dayton and finally got it on the air yesterday
(6/2). Today I went to install the 500hz IRC CW filter which I also
bought at Dayton but it doesn't seem to be working. Yes, I changed
menu item 38 to CW. Both the CW and OFF positions sound the same.
When putting the filter menu into the SSB position it sounds filtered
but it sounds like the CW is partially getting cut off. On SSB the
signals are unintelligible with the filter set to ON (SSB that is).
Again the SSB signals sounds the same with the filter in the CW and
OFF positions. So it sounds like the filter may be working but only
when menu item 38 is set to SSB, however, it doesn't sound like any
500 hz CW filter I have ever heard.

I'll be calling IRC tomorrow and I am sure they will either have any
answer or will ship a new one because they have always given great
service and stood behind their products.

I am just wondering if anyone else experienced this though ????????

73
Jerry N9AW
n9aw@...

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Dave,

Something is wrong here. If you have a CW filter, Menu #38 should be
set to CW. You should hear no change in sound. If you try to turn
on NAR (row 7, C-key) while in the say USB or LSB, you should hear a
double beep. If you change modes to CW or CWR, NAR should beep once
and the indicator show with the sound changing noticably.

If you have done exactly this and it not work, then I would be in
interested in hearing more.

GL es 72 de Barry - W4WB



--- In FT817@y..., "Dave B" <dave756pro@h...> wrote:

I bought the cw filter.... from the ham station... wasn't the exact

number

but works fine... only problem is I have to select the SSB filter

to

activate the CW filter. Works on CW OK but is way too narrow on

SSB.

Wonder why I have to select the SSB menu option instead of the CW

option to

get it to work? Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks
Dave

Yes, there are definitely computers without serial ports. See

<> for an
example.

Just because a computer doesn't have a serial port doesn't mean that it
can't talk serial, that's what USB serial adapters are for. As for other
devices that you would use to talk to the radio, well, a lot of them are
gaining USB connections.

USB means that you can hook many radios to the same computer.
USB means significantly higher data transfer rates.
USB means that you can actually send the audio to the computer for
processing.
USB means a smaller connector on the radio.
USB can mean LESS noise since the wiring is much better shielded.
USB allows for Plug and Play detection.

And saying that USB "USB is harder to deal with programmatically
(libraries, header files, etc.)" is baloney, because you have to use the
same to work with serial ports. As long as the operating system
abstracts the physical ports, they are about the same to work with,
except that you can get a lot more functionality out of USB.

As to radios needing high bit rate interfaces, try keeping a display
in-sync when you are spinning the knob on a VFO. Even channel scan rates
on some radios can pressure a 38.4kbps link.

Can radios use USB to their advantage?

A mobile radio with remote head could talk to the trunk with USB,
wouldn't it be nice to choose the remote head that fit your installation
and the trunk unit that fit your requirements?

An HF radio could have an accessory USB port that allowed you to plug in
whatever DSP device that you want. USB 2.0 (or firewire) could even
allow you to plug in an IF DSP!

A TNC that had one connection to the radio. Audio and Data would both be
carried over the USB cable and then Data transferred to the PC from the
radio->PC connection.

Separate Receivers and Transceivers could be synchronized easily.

Put all of this together and you can get some pretty impressive
configurations at a pretty small cost. It's actually very comparable to
the cost of the RS-232 level converter and connector!

But hey, why not just implement a RS-232 level converter with tubes?


Ed Woodrick

yes, the mod allows for coax or long wire feed.......works like a dream.
all for 29 bucks......takes a couple of hours to build.....good luck,
bill,wb2iwc

If you are interested in more information about how the CAT interface
operates, I might suggest visiting my web site at:



There, you'll find a page that has more information on the CAT
interfacing that you might have ever expected to find - including a
number of "undocumented" commands.

While I have not done very much to determine the precise format of
the
cloning process' data stream, I am coming to the conclusion that
what
I *have* found makes the use of the CLONE mode with a computer
(rather
than another radio) *irrelevant*.

There are a few pieces of information yet to be discerned, but at the
very least, I believe that there is enough information already
present
to copy the radio's configuration (including the factory "soft
calibration") or just the memories - or VFO settings - or any
combination of the above. From what I can tell, there is also enough
information to be able to write a program that will properly
manipulate the radio's memories.

I believe that I have (pretty much...) all the information required to
*exactly* duplicate the front panel display and its submenus via the
serial interface.

I must inject a word of warning: Some of these commands can, if
carelessly executed, can result in an '817 that either needs to be
completely re-(soft)aligned, or sent back to the factory - depending
upon your skill and access to a service manual and test equipment!
You have been warned!

I'm still in the "discovery" phase of some of these things - and I'd
appreciate any additions/corrections to what might be posted.

73,

Clint
KA7OEI

Bill,

Perhaps there's still a chance for this to be done right: a little
8051/PIC/6805 could translate PC keyboard commands to ASCII serial
(if no menus were in the way) and then we'd have a complete solution.

The "complete solution" is already available thanks to the hard work of
Graeme Zimmer, VK3GJZ. Have a look at:



Requires some soldering though...

73
Johan SM6LKM

I bought the cw filter.... from the ham station... wasn't the exact number but works fine... only problem is I have to select the SSB filter to activate the CW filter. Works on CW OK but is way too narrow on SSB. Wonder why I have to select the SSB menu option instead of the CW option to get it to work? Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks
Dave

From: "Don" <k7ugq@...>
Reply-To: FT817@...
To: <FT817@...>
Subject: Re: [FT817] CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 06:59:09 -0400

Unlike the CW filter, the SSB filter is always on once to set function 38.
The NAR has no effect on it.
----- Original Message -----
From: <jerrys@...>
To: <FT817@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:47 PM
Subject: [FT817] CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation

Hello FT817 owners,
I bought my FT817 at Dayton and finally got it on the air yesterday
(6/2). Today I went to install the 500hz IRC CW filter which I also
bought at Dayton but it doesn't seem to be working. Yes, I changed
menu item 38 to CW. Both the CW and OFF positions sound the same.
When putting the filter menu into the SSB position it sounds filtered
but it sounds like the CW is partially getting cut off. On SSB the
signals are unintelligible with the filter set to ON (SSB that is).
Again the SSB signals sounds the same with the filter in the CW and
OFF positions. So it sounds like the filter may be working but only
when menu item 38 is set to SSB, however, it doesn't sound like any
500 hz CW filter I have ever heard.

I'll be calling IRC tomorrow and I am sure they will either have any
answer or will ship a new one because they have always given great
service and stood behind their products.

I am just wondering if anyone else experienced this though ????????

73
Jerry N9AW
n9aw@...




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I am trying to get out of connector business, they are a Royal Pain,
but I will continue until a commercial source is found. There are 2
options to rolling your own: Barry's One Plug solution is briallant,
Maha has battery packs with proper connector. I believe there may be
other sources of packs with connector available also. That way I do
not need to sell you a connector, Yea. But if you must do your own
keep sending those $ and SASE.

All of the above need a rapid charger to keep packs charged, internal
charger is slow and vague on proper charge. Maha's new C777 Plus is
great unless you want to charge from 12V source, car etc, will only
do 4.8V from 12V source. I have mentioned before I use a Simprop
charger from Germany. They are also avaolable under FMA lable, same
charger. I am polling group to see if there is interest in mass
purchase. I will buy 50 FMA chargers and try and sell for around
$100, list $130. This is a very robust charger typical German
quality. It does cycling and charging with display of capacity, and
also charges 12V Lead, SLA and Gel batteries. How many of you would
be interested. The more interest the better price I can get. I have
small R/C supply business and can purchase large quanity.
See
look under battery chargers.

I also have ordered a large quanity of Deans connectors, 2 pole, and
4 pole. Great replacement for wimpy stock connector and you can make
them up without my help. I will post price and picts after receiving
invoice for purchase. BTW they make great all purpose connectors also.

Tim O'Rourke KG4CHX@...

BTW DX was booming last evening I worked all Russian zones with 2.5
watts on 15 and 17 meters + many others. Did any one hear Mongolian
station? I saw spot but could not hear.
.73 Tim O

Serial ports! Blech. It's always the wrong type, wrong speed, wrong
format.

What are the alternatives?

USB is pretty neat and is being put everywhere
Firewire is faster and coming on motherboards
IRDA is growing by leaps and bounds and is rf quiet
Bluetooth is growing but noisy RF wise
Wireless Ethernet is $12.00 in hardware and pretty quiet
Hardwired Ethernet is $15.00 in hardware and quiet if precautions are
followed.

Greg
nz8r

Folks...

Good news...

AOR (the scanner people who also make spectrum displays and DDS VFOs
for Collins gear) have a nifty new widget on the market: the TDR370
"Multimedia Terminal" that does PSK31, RTTY, (no CW) etc. and offers
audio DSP filtering. Built-in LCD display.

See

This device only requires some computing device to run a dumb
terminal program, meaning that a Palm device, which really doesn't
have enough MIPS for PSK31, can be used as the "user interface".

In many ways, though, this is like many other Japanese products out
there that show their designers are clever but a bit "unclear on the
concept": the TDR370 can *read* PSK31, RTTY, etc and display it on
its LCD - grrrrreat! But to *send* PSK31 one needs to connect a
external computing box running a terminal program of some sort. It
would've been tricky-nifty for them to put a PC keyboard port on this
box so it was a standalone unit, no other engine (PC, PalmPilot,
etc.) necessary.

Perhaps there's still a chance for this to be done right: a little
8051/PIC/6805 could translate PC keyboard commands to ASCII serial
(if no menus were in the way) and then we'd have a complete solution.

73 Bill N6AOT
San Mateo, CA

Folks...

Just had to add this as reading the comment (appended below) drove
me outta lurk mode... No, no, no, no. Please, O Lord, no! No USB on
radios. Keep it plain serial. Put a level converter in the radio
(MAX232, etc.) - or make room for it as an "internal optional
accessory" so that a "lumpy" (i.e., anaconda swallowing a pig) cable
isn't needed.

The advantage of a serial interface is that *any* computing engine
(even microcontrollers) has a serial port - plus or minus a level
converter. If a PC does not have a serial port [I find that hard to
believe; maybe the connector just wasn't brought out from the PCB,
but it'd be a chipset feature] one can be added on the PCMCIA, PCI or
even as an adapter on the USB bus (with appropriate driver). Serial
comms are easy to use, and it's easy to write very generic portable
programs for it.

Not everyone wants a true PC connected to their radio. And USB is
harder to deal with programatically (libraries, header files, etc.)
and it's going to be very RF noisy, esp if other devices are sharing
the bus on a hub. Radios just don't need high-bit-rate interfaces -
9600 or 38400bps serial is just fine.

Off my soapbox...

73
Bill, N6AOT
San Mateo, CA

Well put Bob. If more people would straight talk it would be a better world. I am sure most everyone understands your position. Now if the people in Washington DC will follow suit?????

From: Bryan Nehl - k0emt <k0emt@...>
Reply-To: FT817@...
To: FT817@...
Subject: Re: [FT817] Re: CAT CTCSS programming info & Cloning Process
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 16:39:06 GMT

There must be some misunderstanding here. I am developing
FTBasic for a number of reasons; one is because I enjoy ham radio
and programming, but another is that I am trying to supplement
my income so as to better support me and mine. The investment in
time and effort has been, and remains significant.

...

I don't wish to appear rude, but by putting things plainly I hope
to clarify the position.

Not at all Bob. I appreciate your straight-forwardness.
For various reasons I was not sure of your position.

72/73,

Bryan k0emt

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