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--- In FT817@..., "Lee Grimes" <grix@t...> wrote:

Don't be sorry, de John. This is an FT-817 group. The 817 is ,

radio. I like the info from the discussions about QRP. Helps me
decide if

I want to go in that direction, whatever. If you have a better

thread to

start, please do so. I'd be happy to see your input rather than

your

putdowns. Thanx, Lee K7INU>

Hi Lee, I am not sorry for posting the message, I am sorry if I upset
anyone this was not my intention. My view was some on the group
seemed to go on about other (Yes related) items which now I suppose
are relevant so I will again apologise if I upset people. Regarding
my input to the group If you care to review the messages particularly
number's
54,61,66,67,68,75,76,83,98,109,117,118,123,133,134,136,162,177,181,184
,272,273 & 389 you will see I have inputted a couple already. If you
need any questions answering on the FT817 I have done a bit of
looking about on it I will try to answer them . thanks for being a
bit more polite to me Lee in your reply.
John G0VGZ.



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James N5YYX wrote:

"I believe the top/frount bnc
can be programed to be used by any/all bands.
...> telescoping antennas(duckys)...> from
Tokyo Hy-power >...they do lend themselves
to damage to the radio and antenna,..."

I agree with you, James, use of the BNC as an HF whip
mount is a fast way to break the BNC.
Even the 3ft base-load telescopic whips like THP
produces can do serious damage while just walking
around in the clear---not to mention tree branches.

For FT817 standing-still operation on 10m
and 6m only, Maxon sells a similar telescopic
whip with semi-flexible base for their CB HTs,
with BNC. Length may be instantly adjusted to
resonate 27~70MHz. I have several of these,
and they work great (fun DX), especially with
a counterpoise tail hanging from the radio.
"Bill's 2-Way" sells them:


73---Bonnie KQ6XA

It seems Yaesu designed the FT-817 to be used
for VHF/UHF transceive in the over-the-shoulder
walking mode. Hence the BNC on the face pointing
upwards, compatible with VHF/UHF duckies.

There is no provision for mounting an efficient
HF whip antenna on the FT-817 directly.
So, those of us who desire to use it effectively
in a "walking HF" configuration will require
an additional structure.

The concept/design for such a structure might include:
1)ergonomic backpack for radio mounting
2)standard thread whip mount
3)manual or semi-auto antenna tuner
4)auxiliary battery pack

Such a concept could form the basis for some
entrepreneurial aftermarket product activity.
The "Worldpack (tm)" backpack is a good
start, but the existing model ,designed
for ICOM-706, is not optimum for the tiny FT-817.

73---Bonnie KQ6XA

Texas Towers is advertising the 817 w/ a built-in attenuator.

How does this differ from a built-in antenna tuner?

John

From: xtalradio@...
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:58:02 -0000

It seems Yaesu designed the FT-817 to be used
for VHF/UHF transceive in the over-the-shoulder
walking mode. Hence the BNC on the face pointing
upwards, compatible with VHF/UHF duckies.

I'm not totally sure that it addresses your issues, but the antenna
jack used for a set of bands seems to configurable, so you can have HF
on the front as well as, or instead of, VHF/UHF.

There is no provision for mounting an efficient
HF whip antenna on the FT-817 directly.

Everything but the bag can be easily assembled to an individual's
requirements, as far as I can tell.

The concept/design for such a structure might include:
1)ergonomic backpack for radio mounting
2)standard thread whip mount

It seems to me that having this separate from the radio itself might be
stronger and less likely to damage the radio, and if the tuner is a
separate item would of course, be moot.

3)manual or semi-auto antenna tuner
I think this has already been covered.

4)auxiliary battery pack

Such a concept could form the basis for some
entrepreneurial aftermarket product activity.
The "Worldpack (tm)" backpack is a good
start, but the existing model ,designed
for ICOM-706, is not optimum for the tiny FT-817.

73---Bonnie KQ6XA


IIRC, the Worldpack is designed to include one of the Outback
antennas. Is it really operable as a backpack?

73, doug


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From: ku4fl@...
Reply-To: FT817@...
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:19:34 -0000
To: FT817@...
Subject: [FT817] Re: Built-in Attenuator

OK, here's the deal: Unlike FM, SSB has no threshold where the signal
"drops out"; you can add more and more gain to the receiver (or more
and more antenna capture area) to bring up any signal that is above
the noise floor. However, there is a finite signal strength that any
given receiver is able to deal with. Signal strength is voltage, and
there is a maximum voltage that the receive amplifier(s) can accept.
In a SSB/CW receiver, the receive amplification is generally greater
than is needed most of the time, in order to have the ability to
receive weak signals. A strong signal is detected by the AGC, which
"turns down the power" momentarily in the receive amplifier.
Therefore, receive signal strength is limited to a preset maximum
voltage level. If a station you are receiving is at maximum signal
strength for your receiver at 100 watts and that station increases
power to 1000 watts, his signal will be no louder at your receiver;
but other signals will be momentarily weaker because the AGC is
reducing the gain. That is not an attenuator, but is one of the
reasons for the attenuator.
An attenuator is simply a resistive voltage divider in the receive
path from the antenna, upstream of the T/R switch so it doesn't
affect transmit. It simply reduces the overall voltage level and
hence signal strength by a given percentage, expressed as a certain
db; typically or 20 db. The way it does this is to shunt a certain
percentage of the signal to ground.
This protects the receive circuitry from overload when operating in
an environment of excessively high level signals. This overload makes
it difficult to hear weaker signals both directly as a result of the
overload, and indirectly as a result of the AGC action. The overload
also reduces the lifespan of the active devices in the receive
amplifier, in the form of a gradually reduced ability to amplify
(causing the receiver to gradually become "deaf") or, in extreme
cases, in the form of sudden blowout.
The attenuator is also useful, as pointed out in another post, in the
case where the strong signal is the one you are listening to. It can
be used to reduce the level of all signals so that the strong signal
is weaker but still perfectly copyable, and weaker signals fall below
the audible range. Then the desired signal is brought back up in
volume by increasing the audio gain.
There is also, in some receivers, an RF gain control. This is simply
an adjustable attenuator. IMO, the best combination for most uses is
a sensitive receiver with a fast AGC, combined with an adjustable RF
gain control AND a fixed, switchable 20db attenuator.
Tracy, KU4FL
--- In FT817@..., Ken Wood <w00dy65@y...> wrote:

It sounds like an atennuator <sp?> performs similar to
DSP, except not on quite the sophisticated digital
level.

My No-Code Tech mentality leads me to think that
atennuator is related to the antenna "itself"...would
it be better to think of it as being more related to
the receiver, instead???

Or am I way off base now...

I have an ARRL Handbook (1995 edition) around here
somewhere...it was given to me by Chuck/KA9VPE (sk)
before I was licensed...maybe I should hunt the book
down and see if I can find something in there on the
subject. I really don't want to clog the list and get
complaints like the one from our British (Old
Fart...Hi-hi!) friend.

Thanks again,

John / K6ZZZ

--- James Lofton <n5yyx@p...> wrote:

There is also lots of hash and trash at S-5,
and a weak station that
keeps popping in between S-3 up to S-9 at times. You
can attenate most of
this stuff out and just leave the station you are
talking to in there.
20 over S-9 signals may look good, but if there is
almost that much QRM/N
along with that signal, then it doesn't sound all
that good to the ear.
Anything that you don't want to hear or need to hear
is just noise.

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