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Re: goodbye...

 

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Hi Martyn ,
Appreciate your explanation.? I did not know email spam could work that way. Thanks,
73
Rich W1GBB



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Martyn Bell #admin <martyn@...>
Date: 3/20/22 12:03 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [ft817] goodbye...

Although this member has now left, I thought I'd put the actual logs as to why this happened.
The member or his email program actually reported Groups.io as spam and was automatically removed, this is not something any of the admins has done it's a feature of the group's.io interface. It happens quite often and there was no need for him to take offence, the error was at his end.
If you report something as spam when it's not it can cause issues for the whole groups.io community so the system boots you out but you can easily rejoin.
All this is beyond admins control.
Screenshot below.
Martyn M0TEB
#admin


Re: goodbye...

 

Although this member has now left, I thought I'd put the actual logs as to why this happened.
The member or his email program actually reported Groups.io as spam and was automatically removed, this is not something any of the admins has done it's a feature of the group's.io interface. It happens quite often and there was no need for him to take offence, the error was at his end.
If you report something as spam when it's not it can cause issues for the whole groups.io community so the system boots you out but you can easily rejoin.
All this is beyond admins control.
Screenshot below.
Martyn M0TEB
#admin


Re: goodbye...

 

On 3/20/2022 11:31 AM, n1evh via groups.io wrote:
I now receive an e-mail saying that my e-mail address
has been automatically removed... and I can click on
some link to resume my subscription. Well... I resumed
it... just so I could send this.
So... since my e-mail address was automatically removed,
I'm saying... screw this... I'm out of here.
Mike - N1EVH
It isn't personal. It is a "feature" of mailing lists like groups.io.... and I don't like it.

The deal seems to be that if something (like you, your Email client, your spam filter or maybe even your ISP) marks a post as spam, that sends a notice to groups.io and groups.io tries to be helpful and unsubscribes you from the "offending" list. That triggers the Email to you with re-subscribe instructions.

This is all automated and there is nothing that I can see that listowners can do about it. I own a couple lists and it happens from time to time. I don't see it as a feature you can switch off.

Again, it isn't personal and is (probably) not a reaction to anything you did. I just live with it as a consequence of using groups.io, which is otherwise a good reliable and (generally) free service.

Paul
WA9PUL

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goodbye...

n1evh
 

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Wow... I've been a member of this group since it first
started (I think i was the 15th person to sign up).

I now receive an e-mail saying that my e-mail address
has been automatically removed... and I can click on
some link to resume my subscription. Well... I resumed
it... just so I could send this.

So... since my e-mail address was automatically removed,
I'm saying... screw this... I'm out of here.

Mike - N1EVH


Re: Installing the YF-122S SSB filter

 

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G’day Steve,
?
Perhaps it was special build for the upside down VK and ZL markets? <GDR>
?
Steve VK2ARS
?

From: Steve
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2022 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ft817] Installing the YF-122S SSB filter
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Well done Mike. At least you didn't install it upside down like I did!

In fairness, I based that upon seeing an eBay listing image of Murata "equivalents" installed "upside down" in an FT 857, but it didn't stop me from returning the filter to the retailer and then having to wear that egg!
--
Steve, G4VRR.


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

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Ronan,

the service menu (aka hidden menu) is not for the faint-hearted, or the impulsive. If you do go there, be aware that when entering the service menu there is an automatic calibration of the 817 voltage meter, which assumes that the supplied voltage is 13.8?V. If it's not, then the 817 will misread its supply voltage.

Good luck, take care, 73,

Robin, G8DQX

On 19/03/2022 23:25, mike z via groups.io wrote:

The hidden menu-

Mike N3PM


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

The hidden menu-

Mike N3PM


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

GE Ronan - first, here's a link to the service manual.



I had an 817 a few years ago that someone made adjustments thru the hidden/service menu. There are also tweakable? transformer adjustments dedicated to CW. (page 18)
May be worth a try, don't forget to document anything you do. Easier to go back.

Mike N3PM


Re: Installing the YF-122S SSB filter

 

Bad luck Steve. I don't feel so bad now!

I had my first QSO with the 817 yesterday on SSB with a chap in Cardiff. Impressed so far, but so many settings to learn ...

Mike G8GYW


Re: Installing the YF-122S SSB filter

 

Well done Mike. At least you didn't install it upside down like I did!

In fairness, I based that upon seeing an eBay listing image of Murata "equivalents" installed "upside down" in an FT 857, but it didn't stop me from returning the filter to the retailer and then having to wear that egg!
--
Steve, G4VRR.


Re: Installing the YF-122S SSB filter

 

OK I worked out what I was doing wrong.

The tune knob is so sensitive that I was seeing OFF and CW but not SSB in between )c:

Mike G8GYW


Installing the YF-122S SSB filter

 

Hi everyone

I recently bought an FT-817ND in excellent, little used condition. I have now obtained the SSB filter and installed it.

When I go to menu #38 the only options I get are OFF and CW.

What am I doing wrong?

Mike G8GYW


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

Hi Mike,
In answer to your questions:

1. I don't know. I bought the radio second hand although it was untouched and in its original box with all accessories still in their unopened state.?
2. Yes. A steady 5 watts in FM
3. Yes
4. Yes, the power changes when the various levels are selected. In FM, SSB etc the levels are as expected. In CW the power level also changes but the output is about half to 3/5 of where it should be on all 4 levels.
5. Yes, I use an alinco DM-330MW and the displayed voltage on the radio stays within 0.1V when transmitting and receiving.?
6. Output is the same on front and back connectors.

It just seems odd that only CW mode has the issue....

I'll remove the filter and return the radio to stock over the weekend to see if anything changes

Cheers,
Ronan


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

1- Did it ever work properly?
2- Does it do 5 watts in FM?
3-Does it do 1.5 watts in AM?
4- Are there changes in the output as you step thru the 4 levels as described on pg 20 of the manual?
5-Good 12 V external supply, and does the radios voltage meter stay about the same when transmitting?
6-Does both the front and rear antenna connector show the same symptoms?
Mike N3PM


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

Having had a quick look, the sotabeams "laserbeam" filter unit sits in the audio path, not the IF path.

When installing the filter, C1338 is removed and the filter sits across its pads. This is the AF line feeding the main volume control.

There are two caps fitted to the IF filter circuit in such a way that the IF signal is coupled from the stock 455kHz filter (CF1004) onto the pads for the optional CW filter (U1003) which is not fitted in this radio. The instructions say that these caps are not required if the optional mechanical CW filter is present in the radio.


.?

With this arrangement, if there is no optional mechanical filter fitted, the standard 455kHz IF filter is in circuit even when the narrow filter is selected in the menu. The "laserbeam" filter is simply an audio filter implemented on a small microcontroller board and should not affect the TX path at all.?

I wonder if there are any other ways in which the CW output power could be affected independently of the other modes.....

While I remember:

I have read the calibration data for the radio using FT-817 commander and note the following entry:

| CW Carrier Injection Level? ? ? ? ? ?| 004A? ? |? ? ? ? ?255 |? ? ? ? ? FF | This sets the level of the keyed CW carrier.

I am loathe to go messing with any of these values but wonder if anyone knows if that particular value is normally set at its maximum like that?

As ever, any input gratefully received.

Ronan
MM0IVR


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:20 PM, Ron Wright wrote:
have a CW filter in my FT817, but is in the rcvr IF and does not affect transmit.
I believe this filter also sits in the receive path but will need to check the schematic to be sure. I'll have a look this evening.


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

I'm using a straight key (always do) so I'm measuring power over several seconds key-down. It sits at a steady 2 to 3 watts. Switching to SSB and whistling into the mic produces a solid 5 watts.


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

Yes what keying mode will influence the output meter reading.? But if the filter is in only for CW I would be looking at it.? I have a CW filter in my FT817, but is in the rcvr IF and does not affect transmit.? Not sure what yours is so cannot comment more.

73, ron, n9ee/r

Ron Wright, N9EE/R
Hernando Co ARES EC
BSEE
Micro Computer Concepts
Spring Hill, Florida
146.64 repeater, 1100 ft HAAT
352-835-5610


On Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 03:09:15 PM EDT, Joe K8JP/V31JP <v31jp1957@...> wrote:


How are you keying your CW, with a straight key or keyer?

On 3/16/2022 11:55 AM, Ronan Cantwell wrote:
Good question, Al... The power remains the same with the filter engaged or disengaged.?
I might remove the filter completely from the radio and see if that changes anything. That requires a bit of surgery though so it'll probably have to wait till nearer the weekend.
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Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

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How are you keying your CW, with a straight key or keyer?

On 3/16/2022 11:55 AM, Ronan Cantwell wrote:
Good question, Al... The power remains the same with the filter engaged or disengaged.?
I might remove the filter completely from the radio and see if that changes anything. That requires a bit of surgery though so it'll probably have to wait till nearer the weekend.
-- 
Regards, Joe, K8JP/V31JP, Ronnie, Martin & Sidney Pontek
175 Diamond Loch Rd., Apt. 5
Gilmer, TX 75644-9374
U.S.A.
903-204-2318 (My TX cellular)

Member FOC-1743 Feb 2001, QCWA-LM21894, OOTC-4607, A1OP, CFO 1055, SKCC-3171T, NAQCC-5798, Flying Pig-2819, FISTS-7625CC951, A1C-2299, SOC 1075, 10-10 22977, PG1915841, CW Rag chewers #21,
Facebook: Joe Pontek


Re: Low output power only on CW...

 

I ask what mode of keying are you using for CW, straight key or keyer/bug.? If sending with keyer with dits and dahs then power output will show lower due to lower duty cycle.? The straight key down should show max power output.? Just asking to make sure.

I have always seen 5W output on CW key down on my FT817.

73, ron, n9ee/r

Ron Wright, N9EE/R
Hernando Co ARES EC
BSEE
Micro Computer Concepts
Spring Hill, Florida
146.64 repeater, 1100 ft HAAT
352-835-5610


On Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 12:55:36 PM EDT, Ronan Cantwell <ronancantwell@...> wrote:


Good question, Al... The power remains the same with the filter engaged or disengaged.?
I might remove the filter completely from the radio and see if that changes anything. That requires a bit of surgery though so it'll probably have to wait till nearer the weekend.