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Hey all, I've been lurking here for a while, and have been appreciating the collective wisdom on offer here.? I may be placing an order for a Felder K700S table saw, and am contemplating which accessories to order.? I'm curious to hear people's thoughts about the parallel fence, versus a secondary crosscut fence.? It seems to me that a crosscut fence has a flip down stop that can be used to align the far end of a long piece, just the way one would use a parallel fence.? But I've never actually owned a parallel fence before.? Is there something about the parallel fence that makes a crosscut fence not be a good substitute?? I feel like a crosscut fence at the front end of the sliding table is more widely useful than a parallel fence, but I'm probably missing something.
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I gather you are thinking of using a short xcut fence near operator end in conjunction with the long xcut fence on the outrigger at the far end of the slider. This to make parallel cuts.
The short xcut fence 90 deg stop is fixed to one location on the slider. Therefore, in order to do what you are thinking, one would need to move the outrigger for each board of different length so that it fits between the fences. Also, this would not work on the longer boards that don’t fit between fences.
Finally many say that the short xcut fence 90 deg stop is not repeatable. So I would suggest parallel fence. If you need a hefty one to also work as a support for sheet goods or material go with felder. For me it sticks out way too much so I made some modifications. If you are looking for a smaller version that can still cut 4’ wide sheet in half go with Brian Lamb’s parallel fence which can be had with a scale or DRO.
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On Oct 9, 2024, at 8:31?AM, missingeggacct via groups.io <missingeggacct@...> wrote: ? Hey all, I've been lurking here for a while, and have been appreciating the collective wisdom on offer here.? I may be placing an order for a Felder K700S table saw, and am contemplating which accessories to order.? I'm curious to hear people's thoughts about the parallel fence, versus a secondary crosscut fence.? It seems to me that a crosscut fence has a flip down stop that can be used to align the far end of a long piece, just the way one would use a parallel fence.? But I've never actually owned a parallel fence before.? Is there something about the parallel fence that makes a crosscut fence not be a good substitute?? I feel like a crosscut fence at the front end of the sliding table is more widely useful than a parallel fence, but I'm probably missing something.
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Imran gave you a great summary of why the short crosscut fence is not a substitute for a parallel fence. ?You might also find this document helpful:
David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Oct 9, 2024, at 5:31?AM, missingeggacct via groups.io <missingeggacct@...> wrote:
? Hey all, I've been lurking here for a while, and have been appreciating the collective wisdom on offer here.? I may be placing an order for a Felder K700S table saw, and am contemplating which accessories to order.? I'm curious to hear people's thoughts about the parallel fence, versus a secondary crosscut fence.? It seems to me that a crosscut fence has a flip down stop that can be used to align the far end of a long piece, just the way one would use a parallel fence.? But I've never actually owned a parallel fence before.? Is there something about the parallel fence that makes a crosscut fence not be a good substitute?? I feel like a crosscut fence at the front end of the sliding table is more widely useful than a parallel fence, but I'm probably missing something.
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David thanks for posting that, not seen it before....every time I use the Felder parel fence I'm thinking why did the design it like this, it's horrible, and one day I will make something without that horrible?top bar and something on the side that's neatly out of the way........Just like Macs!!!
On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 at 16:37, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: Imran gave you a great summary of why the short crosscut fence is not a substitute for a parallel fence.? You might also find this document helpful:
David Best - via mobile phone? On Oct 9, 2024, at 5:31?AM, missingeggacct via <missingeggacct=[email protected]> wrote:
? Hey all, I've been lurking here for a while, and have been appreciating the collective wisdom on offer here.? I may be placing an order for a Felder K700S table saw, and am contemplating which accessories to order.? I'm curious to hear people's thoughts about the parallel fence, versus a secondary crosscut fence.? It seems to me that a crosscut fence has a flip down stop that can be used to align the far end of a long piece, just the way one would use a parallel fence.? But I've never actually owned a parallel fence before.? Is there something about the parallel fence that makes a crosscut fence not be a good substitute?? I feel like a crosscut fence at the front end of the sliding table is more widely useful than a parallel fence, but I'm probably missing something.
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Jonathan Samways
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Well, I make and sell the parallel fences, so take that for what it is worth. As Imran mentioned, the Felder short fence is not able to be moved up and down the slider, which limits how well. that will work.?
Parallel fences, whether mine or Felder's, can be slid to any point on the slider, so parts of greater length variations can be easily accommodated. Be aware that if using only one parallel fence, and the outrigger fence, you won't be able to do parts shorter than about 20-22" long as the outrigger gets in the way. My preferred method is to use two parallel fences to split the sheets up then using the crosscut fence and flipstop, cut the pieces to length, such as for cabinet doors or box parts.
Due to the stock Felder short fence not being able to maintain 90? settings, I've never found it to be a viable option and just use the crosscut fence on the outrigger.
Instructions for using the parallel fences are on our website, so you can read about how to use them and maybe get some insight into the advantages of how they work.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 05:31:06 AM MST, missingeggacct@... <missingeggacct@...> wrote:
Hey all, I've been lurking here for a while, and have been appreciating the collective wisdom on offer here.? I may be placing an order for a Felder K700S table saw, and am contemplating which accessories to order.? I'm curious to hear people's thoughts about the parallel fence, versus a secondary crosscut fence.? It seems to me that a crosscut fence has a flip down stop that can be used to align the far end of a long piece, just the way one would use a parallel fence.? But I've never actually owned a parallel fence before.? Is there something about the parallel fence that makes a crosscut fence not be a good substitute?? I feel like a crosscut fence at the front end of the sliding table is more widely useful than a parallel fence, but I'm probably missing something.
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I use one of Brian’s parallel guides in conjunction with the flip stop, and it works well for longer pieces. For shorter pieces I use a Fritz and Frans jig.
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I’ve been concerned about using the flip stop as a parallel guide for cutting tapers, but since I have not cut a taper yet that has not been an issue.
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John Hinman
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I could only hope someone would feel ambitious enough to fabricate and offer a parallel fence similar to Mac’s! ?It’s a great design!
Wade
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? David thanks for posting that, not seen it before....every time I use the Felder parel fence I'm thinking why did the design it like this, it's horrible, and one day I will make something without that horrible?top bar and something on the side that's neatly out of the way........Just like Macs!!! On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 at 16:37, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: Imran gave you a great summary of why the short crosscut fence is not a substitute for a parallel fence.? You might also find this document helpful:
David Best - via mobile phone? On Oct 9, 2024, at 5:31?AM, missingeggacct via <missingeggacct=[email protected]> wrote:
? Hey all, I've been lurking here for a while, and have been appreciating the collective wisdom on offer here.? I may be placing an order for a Felder K700S table saw, and am contemplating which accessories to order.? I'm curious to hear people's thoughts about the parallel fence, versus a secondary crosscut fence.? It seems to me that a crosscut fence has a flip down stop that can be used to align the far end of a long piece, just the way one would use a parallel fence.? But I've never actually owned a parallel fence before.? Is there something about the parallel fence that makes a crosscut fence not be a good substitute?? I feel like a crosscut fence at the front end of the sliding table is more widely useful than a parallel fence, but I'm probably missing something.
-- Kindest Regards
Jonathan Samways
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I am like John.
Using the parallel fence and the outrigger to cut long boards. For short pieces I am using David bedrosian F&F.
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another thing worth to mention is that the parallel fence is mounted on the P channel of the rail, which isn’t guaranteed to be parallel to the blade, so you can have few mm difference between two spots on the slider.
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i built a magnet base to stop block like David Lucky did.
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Thanks, that's very helpful!? I hadn't realized the short crosscut fence couldn't be slid back and forth on the table.? Add in that it may be a struggle to keep it at 90 degrees, and I may forego buying it.? I guess I'm not shocked that it's not freely moveable.? But not having an easy return to 90 degrees seems just bizarre.? I'd think anyone coughing up for a Felder saw would have an expectation of efficient accuracy in all the accessories.
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Thanks, that's a great document.? I pretty much exclusively do one-off production.? For my work, absolute dimensional accuracy is almost never needed, but repeatability and squareness is very desirable.? I'm a huge believer in jigs that ensure repeatability.? Especially since I've found the expense of factory DRO options to be unpalatable, and Felder seems to be no exception in that regard.
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DROs are inexpensive to install. You can search here or post a question on my FB group (link below) to see details. Both locations are searchable but sometimes it takes a bit of effort and few different key words. So far I have installed them on the rip fence, xcut fence and blade elevation. Shaper fence is next.
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On Oct 9, 2024, at 4:07?PM, missingeggacct via groups.io <missingeggacct@...> wrote: ? Thanks, that's a great document.? I pretty much exclusively do one-off production.? For my work, absolute dimensional accuracy is almost never needed, but repeatability and squareness is very desirable.? I'm a huge believer in jigs that ensure repeatability.? Especially since I've found the expense of factory DRO options to be unpalatable, and Felder seems to be no exception in that regard.
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I bought the short cross cut fence with my saw because it seemed more in line with the way I used a cabinet saw. Once I found out how hard it is to get it square and keep it square I set it aside. I’ve not missed it a bit.
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Aftermarket DRO are cheap and easy to install, as Imran says. I have one on my rip fence, and one on my bandsaw fence. Very repeatable. The instructions are poor, though.
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Wixey makes DRO for many different applications, and they are relatively inexpensive. I have one on my thicknesser and one on my drum sander and love them.
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John Hinman
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K700S and A941
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Some of the comments about the short fence have tweaked my curiosity.
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Back when I ordered my Hammer B3, I added a 1300mm cross-cut fence, along with the 90 degree stop (I chose the model developed by Marius Hormberger). I subsequently added a short fence (half of a long one ?) to make things easier in my small shop. I do not have problems (or at least I have not noticed any) with setting up the fence square in a repeatable and reliable way.
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My understanding is that the profile of the Felder slider is different from that on my Hammer machine. Is there something different on the Felder machines that poses a challenge with repeatedly setting the fence square to the blade?
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J.
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My understanding is that the profile of the Felder slider is different from that on my Hammer machine. Is there something different on the Felder machines that poses a challenge with repeatedly setting the fence square to the blade?
Indeed there is a design flaw with the Felder short (1100mm) crosscut fence for the X-Roll sliding tables. ?Full analysis is covered in a series of videos at the following link:
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imran
David P. Best
Gerry Kmack