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Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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dunno about Felder or Format but the Hammer rip fence? sort of
shows the utter contempt? the designers and engineers had for the
whole idea of a rip fence
On 2/10/22 10:28 AM, Wade Dees wrote:
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Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder
cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed
in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the
fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity)
closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick
fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved
across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of
round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support
bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely
long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the
calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting
accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I
get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is
there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence
further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts?
Thx,
Wade
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Video please, mine ran pretty smooth and it’s the same on the k940. It does require some finessing of the sheet stell top to cast and the roller thingy to get it nice
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via groups.io <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
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dunno about Felder or Format but the Hammer rip fence? sort of
shows the utter contempt? the designers and engineers had for the
whole idea of a rip fence
On 2/10/22 10:28 AM, Wade Dees wrote:
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder
cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed
in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the
fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity)
closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick
fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved
across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of
round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support
bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely
long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the
calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting
accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I
get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is
there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence
further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts?
Thx,
Wade
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Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Looks like the bar is too far out, maybe it’s flexing and causing some of the run issues. I thought there was a spec in the paper work that came with the saw but a quick call/ticket to Felder might be useful?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
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Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Oh boy…I’m with you 100% on that. The rip fence on the C3-31 is useless.
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On 10 Feb 2022, at 15:45, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
dunno about Felder or Format but the Hammer rip fence? sort of
shows the utter contempt? the designers and engineers had for the
whole idea of a rip fence
On 2/10/22 10:28 AM, Wade Dees wrote:
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder
cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed
in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the
fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity)
closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick
fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved
across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of
round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support
bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely
long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the
calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting
accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I
get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is
there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence
further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts?
Thx,
Wade
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David,
Are you saying the gap bea
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best
Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
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<image3.jpeg>
On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Sorry, disregard this. ?Finger hit the wrong button!?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? David,
Are you saying the gap bea On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best
Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
<image3.jpeg>
On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Wade:
I've attached two photos of my K700S rip fence guide rail, nearest the blade. From what I can tell from your photos, the guide rail position looks similar to mine. I agree that the stand-off (of the guide rail from the saw) is large - the key is whether the stand-off distance is identical for all attachment points. I can't comment on whether your fence is in-round or otherwise.
I'm not a fan of Felder's engineering on this point. Anytime you have the rip fence close to the blade, and the handle clamped down, access to the height adjustment handle and lockdown lever is awkward.?
Take Care.
Mike D.
On Thursday, February 10, 2022, 06:00:08 PM EST, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David,
Are you saying the gap bea On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
?
That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
<image3.jpeg>
On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?
Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
-- Mike D. Annapolis, MD AD951; K700S; N4400
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? ? David,
I’m going to disassemble the whole support bar and start over. ?I see the difference your pointing out. ?The two mounting threads that attach to the machine chassis, from the bar, were installed when the saw arrived and where snug down really good. Instruction manual was pretty basic here. ?So I figured I’d better not touch them, maybe they were set at the factory, just not sure. ?But I think I’ll need to loosen them up and maybe I can thread the rod into the bar further. ?The picture I’ve attached, looking down on these two threaded rods, shows the right side is clearly out further from the machine chassis. ?And if I can get those in further, we’ll then this gives me more thread on the other two that attach to the extension table. ?Are there any specs that you can recall on how far from the machine body the support bar should sit?
Here is video attached as well showing the rip fence assembly bouncing from one end to the other, if moved swiftly. ?Make sure to have the sound on when viewing too.
Thank You,
Wade
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best
Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
<image3.jpeg>
On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Mine is 1 3/8” from the saw.?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 5:23 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? ? ? David,
I’m going to disassemble the whole support bar and start over. ?I see the difference your pointing out. ?The two mounting threads that attach to the machine chassis, from the bar, were installed when the saw arrived and where snug down really good. Instruction manual was pretty basic here. ?So I figured I’d better not touch them, maybe they were set at the factory, just not sure. ?But I think I’ll need to loosen them up and maybe I can thread the rod into the bar further. ?The picture I’ve attached, looking down on these two threaded rods, shows the right side is clearly out further from the machine chassis. ?And if I can get those in further, we’ll then this gives me more thread on the other two that attach to the extension table. ?Are there any specs that you can recall on how far from the machine body the support bar should sit?
Here is video attached as well showing the rip fence assembly bouncing from one end to the other, if moved swiftly. ?Make sure to have the sound on when viewing too.
Thank You,
Wade
On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best
Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
<image3.jpeg>
On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Mike,
Yes your spacing looks identical to mine for sure! ?The instructions can be a bit head scratching too. ?Heck, when the saw arrived I couldn’t even move the head from its 22 degree shipping position, because of some locking bolts that needed to be removed after shipping. ?It’s not until the tech guy sent me three very important documents, with bright red writing on them, explaining the shipping bolts! ?These papers where never packed with my original paper work. ?Crazy.
I don’t have that issue with the height adjustment access as you. ?I have the power drive system. ?Buttons out on the front face of the machine body. ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Mike D. via groups.io <mjcdorsam@...> wrote:
? Wade:
I've attached two photos of my K700S rip fence guide rail, nearest the blade. From what I can tell from your photos, the guide rail position looks similar to mine. I agree that the stand-off (of the guide rail from the saw) is large - the key is whether the stand-off distance is identical for all attachment points. I can't comment on whether your fence is in-round or otherwise.
I'm not a fan of Felder's engineering on this point. Anytime you have the rip fence close to the blade, and the handle clamped down, access to the height adjustment handle and lockdown lever is awkward.?
Take Care.
Mike D.
On Thursday, February 10, 2022, 06:00:08 PM EST, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David,
Are you saying the gap bea On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
?
That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
<image3.jpeg>
On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?
Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
-- Mike D. Annapolis, MD AD951; K700S; N4400
   
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I think the large diameter washers next to the cast iron table should not be there…. and you’ll need to hang a square down over the table edge and make sure that the bar is parallel to the cast table, or alternatively the aluminum extrusion that holds the scale.
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? ? David,
I’m going to disassemble the whole support bar and start over. ?I see the difference your pointing out. ?The two mounting threads that attach to the machine chassis, from the bar, were installed when the saw arrived and where snug down really good. Instruction manual was pretty basic here. ?So I figured I’d better not touch them, maybe they were set at the factory, just not sure. ?But I think I’ll need to loosen them up and maybe I can thread the rod into the bar further. ?The picture I’ve attached, looking down on these two threaded rods, shows the right side is clearly out further from the machine chassis. ?And if I can get those in further, we’ll then this gives me more thread on the other two that attach to the extension table. ?Are there any specs that you can recall on how far from the machine body the support bar should sit?
Here is video attached as well showing the rip fence assembly bouncing from one end to the other, if moved swiftly. ?Make sure to have the sound on when viewing too.
Thank You,
Wade
? That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best
Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
<image3.jpeg>
On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Steve,
That’s inside to inside I’m assuming? ? Right know mine is 1-1/4” on the left and 1-5/16” on the rights. ?That’s got to part of the issue, right? ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 3:28 PM, Steve Lyde via groups.io <stlyde@...> wrote:
? Mine is 1 3/8” from the saw.?
Steve Lyde On Feb 10, 2022, at 5:23 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? ? ? David,
I’m going to disassemble the whole support bar and start over. ?I see the difference your pointing out. ?The two mounting threads that attach to the machine chassis, from the bar, were installed when the saw arrived and where snug down really good. Instruction manual was pretty basic here. ?So I figured I’d better not touch them, maybe they were set at the factory, just not sure. ?But I think I’ll need to loosen them up and maybe I can thread the rod into the bar further. ?The picture I’ve attached, looking down on these two threaded rods, shows the right side is clearly out further from the machine chassis. ?And if I can get those in further, we’ll then this gives me more thread on the other two that attach to the extension table. ?Are there any specs that you can recall on how far from the machine body the support bar should sit?
Here is video attached as well showing the rip fence assembly bouncing from one end to the other, if moved swiftly. ?Make sure to have the sound on when viewing too.
Thank You,
Wade
On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best
Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
<image1.jpeg>
<image2.jpeg>
<image3.jpeg>
On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Yes inside to inside. Yes the bar should be parallel to the cast iron front face of the saw body.?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 5:32 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Steve,
That’s inside to inside I’m assuming? ? Right know mine is 1-1/4” on the left and 1-5/16” on the rights. ?That’s got to part of the issue, right? ?
Thx,
Wade On Feb 10, 2022, at 3:28 PM, Steve Lyde via groups.io <stlyde@...> wrote:
? Mine is 1 3/8” from the saw.?
Steve Lyde On Feb 10, 2022, at 5:23 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? ? ? David,
I’m going to disassemble the whole support bar and start over. ?I see the difference your pointing out. ?The two mounting threads that attach to the machine chassis, from the bar, were installed when the saw arrived and where snug down really good. Instruction manual was pretty basic here. ?So I figured I’d better not touch them, maybe they were set at the factory, just not sure. ?But I think I’ll need to loosen them up and maybe I can thread the rod into the bar further. ?The picture I’ve attached, looking down on these two threaded rods, shows the right side is clearly out further from the machine chassis. ?And if I can get those in further, we’ll then this gives me more thread on the other two that attach to the extension table. ?Are there any specs that you can recall on how far from the machine body the support bar should sit?
Here is video attached as well showing the rip fence assembly bouncing from one end to the other, if moved swiftly. ?Make sure to have the sound on when viewing too.
Thank You,
Wade
On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best
Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Brian,
Yep, I did use a square in that fashion to get the reveal dialed in to the cast top. ?The instructions I have show those washers being there. ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 3:30 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I think the large diameter washers next to the cast iron table should not be there…. and you’ll need to hang a square down over the table edge and make sure that the bar is parallel to the cast table, or alternatively the aluminum extrusion that holds the scale.
? ? David,
I’m going to disassemble the whole support bar and start over. ?I see the difference your pointing out. ?The two mounting threads that attach to the machine chassis, from the bar, were installed when the saw arrived and where snug down really good. Instruction manual was pretty basic here. ?So I figured I’d better not touch them, maybe they were set at the factory, just not sure. ?But I think I’ll need to loosen them up and maybe I can thread the rod into the bar further. ?The picture I’ve attached, looking down on these two threaded rods, shows the right side is clearly out further from the machine chassis. ?And if I can get those in further, we’ll then this gives me more thread on the other two that attach to the extension table. ?Are there any specs that you can recall on how far from the machine body the support bar should sit?
Here is video attached as well showing the rip fence assembly bouncing from one end to the other, if moved swiftly. ?Make sure to have the sound on when viewing too.
Thank You,
Wade
? That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best
Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
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Mike,
I do not think that large stand-off is a good thing. I have similar standoff as David shows. That bar is heavy and I was kinda concerned that the right side two bolts go to the steel extension tables.
As I write this it sounds crazy, but I know that bar sagged once it was only attached to the cast iron (left side 2 bolts). Not sure if the bolt was giving or what. I recall supporting the right end of the bar where I was satisfied that the bar is at same level as the saw table before attaching the two right side bolts. This was on K975.
I am not sure if the large standoff will stress the bolts but it sure is not helping.
Imran
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Mike D. via groups.io <mjcdorsam@...> wrote: ? Wade:
I've attached two photos of my K700S rip fence guide rail, nearest the blade. From what I can tell from your photos, the guide rail position looks similar to mine. I agree that the stand-off (of the guide rail from the saw) is large - the key is whether the stand-off distance is identical for all attachment points. I can't comment on whether your fence is in-round or otherwise.
I'm not a fan of Felder's engineering on this point. Anytime you have the rip fence close to the blade, and the handle clamped down, access to the height adjustment handle and lockdown lever is awkward.?
Take Care.
Mike D.
On Thursday, February 10, 2022, 06:00:08 PM EST, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David,
Are you saying the gap bea On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
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That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
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Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
-- Mike D. Annapolis, MD AD951; K700S; N4400
   
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Imran,
When I was assembling this the first time, same thoughts were going through my head. ?Asking those two bolts to hold this thing up, what?! ?Because I saw it drop on the right side a bit. ?That connection on the extension table was designed on a Friday, I just know it!!!
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 3:38 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Mike,
I do not think that large stand-off is a good thing. I have similar standoff as David shows. That bar is heavy and I was kinda concerned that the right side two bolts go to the steel extension tables.
As I write this it sounds crazy, but I know that bar sagged once it was only attached to the cast iron (left side 2 bolts). Not sure if the bolt was giving or what. I recall supporting the right end of the bar where I was satisfied that the bar is at same level as the saw table before attaching the two right side bolts. This was on K975.
I am not sure if the large standoff will stress the bolts but it sure is not helping.
Imran
On Feb 10, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Mike D. via groups.io <mjcdorsam@...> wrote:
? Wade:
I've attached two photos of my K700S rip fence guide rail, nearest the blade. From what I can tell from your photos, the guide rail position looks similar to mine. I agree that the stand-off (of the guide rail from the saw) is large - the key is whether the stand-off distance is identical for all attachment points. I can't comment on whether your fence is in-round or otherwise.
I'm not a fan of Felder's engineering on this point. Anytime you have the rip fence close to the blade, and the handle clamped down, access to the height adjustment handle and lockdown lever is awkward.?
Take Care.
Mike D.
On Thursday, February 10, 2022, 06:00:08 PM EST, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David,
Are you saying the gap bea On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:46 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
?
That round bar is not installed correctly. ?It should be closer to the machine chassis. ?Have a look at these two photos. ?Compare your gap in the first photo (green arrow), to the gap in the second photo (correctly positioned).
David Best Sorry about that. Meant to attach these pics too. ?And good thought Mark, I’ll send a video.?
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On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
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Pictures? Hard to make any comments based on your description.
Hey FOG…
I’m not sure if I’m the only one thinking this, but did Felder cheap out on the rip fence for my K 700 S? ?I’m a bit disappointed in the some?of action in the rip fence. ?When I want to bring the fence over from the far side of the table (1200mm rip capacity) closer to the blade, and I want to move it in a fairly quick fashion, the fence wants to bounce a bit as it’s being moved across the table. ?A bit annoying. ?Is the support wheel out of round? ?Just not sure. ?Then when installing the rip fence support bar, the mounting threads to the table extension are just barely long enough to?make the assembly. ?And now I was just making the calibration for the scale on the rip fence and I’m getting accurate measurements off the scale at 0-20” then after that, as I get further away from the blade the scale is getting off. ?Is there a bend in the support bar that might be kicking the fence further away from the blade? ?Any thoughts? Thx, Wade
-- Mike D. Annapolis, MD AD951; K700S; N4400
   
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