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Bambu is a recent entrant into the 3D printer world. ?People love them or hate them. ?But they have a following and seem to work well. ?I regard their printers as appliances - unbox it and just print. ?I have several friends who love them, but it’s a closed system with a controversial requirement that all the designs are sliced in China - so you have no control over your IP. ?That may or may not be important to you. ?They have several sizes with different motion systems. ?The Bambu Carbon X1 is the high end of the line and is basically the P1S in an enclosure for printing things like ABS or Nylon.?
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 12:21?PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I plan to get one in May when back in the country. A friend who has been doing this for a while is recommending Bambu P1S. What do you guys think?
On Apr 4, 2024, at 3:00?PM, bacchus6015 via groups.io <joeinno@...> wrote:
? David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there. ?Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer. ?Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid. ?A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4. ?The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part. ?I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4. ?I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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I had my son build my Voron for me. I agree with David. The building of it isn't for the faint of heart. Dave Davies
Joe, the Voron is an open source design, and there are currently 3 variants (V2.4, Trident, V0.2) that differ in size and motion systems.? The V0.2 is what I’m building and is a very small printer with a build volume of about a 6-inche cube.? My Prusa has a build volume of about 10^^3.? The larger Voron V2.4 goes up to about 20^^3. ? Another similar open-source group is??in Portugal - similar dynamic: build from scratch from their designs, but they also sell kits. ?
Voron is as much a philosophy (cultish) as it is a product - kind of like Rhino in the CAD world.? It has a dedicated following of serious build-from-scratch nerds, and is the most challenging to build, but also the highest performance.? It has a deep global subculture and is not for the faint of heart.? In many respects, the Voron community reminds me of the Ham Radio world, or the RC model makers back when I was a kid.
Some background: ?The world of 3D printing users seem to break down into two large categories: ?those who just want to print parts, and those who want to build and hot-rod the printers.? I thought I was in the first category - but things changed and I have drunk the kool-aid so to speak.? The size of the 3D printing community is staggering.? As an example, Prusa in Prague ships 10,000 printers per month, and they are just one of 5-6 volume manufacturers. ??is much bigger than Prusa, and caters to the “low cost” hobbits community (think teens). ??I picked Prusa because they have the longest track record, the most robust design, are open source, with plenty of support, and most printer farms today run on Prusa machines.? There are in fact many sole proprietorships pumping out 3D parts in substantial quantity using a print farm of 10-100 printers.? You might enjoy??about Prusa.
There are Voron kits available from LDO and others that include most of the parts - assuming you don’t want to source every nut/bolt/extruder/stepper/etc. on your own.? But the die hard (think “real men”) Voron builders source all the parts. ??is one (of probably 100) sourcing guides for the V0.2.? Once you have built a Voron, you can apply for a serial number to the head designer group that came up with an maintain the plans, but you have to substantiate that you in fact built it yourself and that it meets the published design and performance specs.? There is a dedicated forum?, and most of the community participates on the Voron??channel to share ideas, offer help, and converse with the original design team.? There are also plenty of YouTubers who have live streams where they build these printers.? Example ().
If you want to nerd out, you might start by going to the festival in a couple weeks: ?. All of my new friends will be there.? Researching for a Voron Survival Guide. ?
David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there.? Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer.? Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid.? A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4.? The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part.? I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4.? I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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David,
This is great information! ?Thanks for the summery. ?
It sounds fun and challenging to build a Voron!
Maybe I will wait for the Voron Survival Guide! ?
Your Felder Survival Guide was the key to my progress in the woodworking world.
Have you added a subterranean bunker to house your 3D printers?
Joe
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 1:39?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Joe, the Voron is an open source design, and there are currently 3 variants (V2.4, Trident, V0.2) that differ in size and motion systems. ?The V0.2 is what I’m building and is a very small printer with a build volume of about a 6-inche cube. ?My Prusa has a build volume of about 10^^3. ?The larger Voron V2.4 goes up to about 20^^3. ? Another similar open-source group is??in Portugal - similar dynamic: build from scratch from their designs, but they also sell kits. ?
Voron is as much a philosophy (cultish) as it is a product - kind of like Rhino in the CAD world. ?It has a dedicated following of serious build-from-scratch nerds, and is the most challenging to build, but also the highest performance. ?It has a deep global subculture and is not for the faint of heart. ?In many respects, the Voron community reminds me of the Ham Radio world, or the RC model makers back when I was a kid.
Some background: ?The world of 3D printing users seem to break down into two large categories: ?those who just want to print parts, and those who want to build and hot-rod the printers. ?I thought I was in the first category - but things changed and I have drunk the kool-aid so to speak. ?The size of the 3D printing community is staggering. ?As an example, Prusa in Prague ships 10,000 printers per month, and they are just one of 5-6 volume manufacturers. ??is much bigger than Prusa, and caters to the “low cost” hobbits community (think teens). ??I picked Prusa because they have the longest track record, the most robust design, are open source, with plenty of support, and most printer farms today run on Prusa machines. ?There are in fact many sole proprietorships pumping out 3D parts in substantial quantity using a print farm of 10-100 printers. ?You might enjoy??about Prusa.
There are Voron kits available from LDO and others that include most of the parts - assuming you don’t want to source every nut/bolt/extruder/stepper/etc. on your own. ?But the die hard (think “real men”) Voron builders source all the parts. ??is one (of probably 100) sourcing guides for the V0.2. ?Once you have built a Voron, you can apply for a serial number to the head designer group that came up with an maintain the plans, but you have to substantiate that you in fact built it yourself and that it meets the published design and performance specs. ?There is a dedicated forum?, and most of the community participates on the Voron??channel to share ideas, offer help, and converse with the original design team. ?There are also plenty of YouTubers who have live streams where they build these printers. ?Example ().
If you want to nerd out, you might start by going to the festival in a couple weeks: ?. All of my new friends will be there. ?Researching for a Voron Survival Guide. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Apr 4, 2024, at 12:00?PM, bacchus6015 via groups.io <joeinno@...> wrote:
David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there. ?Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer. ?Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid. ?A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4. ?The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part. ?I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4. ?I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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I've been using atomic petg-cf and very happy with it. Pricey and made in usa. This is my goto now for shop fixtures.
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Steve, I doubt it, but the carbon fiber version is what I had on hand that is one of the easiest PETG variants to print IMO. ?I have tried about 8 different manufacture version of PETG, and many of them are difficult - Polymaker being the most challenging. ?The best stuff IMO is??- least warpage, sticks to satin bed-plate without an adhesive layer (like glue-stick), and least stringing. ?But it is in such high demand that it’s often out of stock and requires a few days shipping time. ?For quicker delivery, I have found??to be almost as good - which is what I used in the print you saw (although the color I have isn’t available from Amazon).
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 10:01?AM, Sawdust77 <rscotthanna@...> wrote:
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Hi David,
In your original post, you said you printed the hold down with PETG-CF. In this one you just said PETG. I assume the CF means carbon fiber. In your opinion (or based on your tests), is carbon fiber required?
Thanks,
?- Scott Hanna
Sorry, and thank you Google Drive for the hassle.? Attached is the 3D model STEP file. ?
If you do decide to print this, be sure you specify the necessary parameters to the slicer to get a part that is sturdy enough to deal with the clamping forces.? Specifically: ?0.20mm maximum layer heights, at least 6 layers top, bottom and perimeters, and 50 percent infill.? I also recommend printing with PETG filament rather than PLA.? I have not thoroughly tested this, so I recommend you do you own rigidity testing to ensure your print doesn’t crush under clamping loads.
Clicking on that gives me a blank screen with a note that says, "No preview available. File is in owner's trash."
Edit: When I got my own message as an email the content of the link is there as an attachment.? It appears to be the entire sliding table with the clamp and not just the clamp.? It's a huge rendering.
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I thought I was in the hotrod group and built a voron 2.4 350. Took probably 30 hours from the ldo kit. Best thing I did was buy the variant with the wiring harness done or I would have spent another eight hours crimping.
Great learning experience and I don't regret it, but I sold it and bought an prusa xl 5 head which has been great. I figured out I'm in the just-print-stuff crowd. I also have a bambu x1c with two mmus which is what convinced me.
I've got a lot of professional experience with open source. The voron community is great and I love what they have done.
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I had my son build my Voron for me. I agree with David. The building of it isn't for the faint of heart.
Dave Davies
Joe, the Voron is an open source design, and there are currently 3 variants (V2.4, Trident, V0.2) that differ in size and motion systems.? The V0.2 is what I’m building and is a very small printer with a build volume of about a 6-inche cube.? My Prusa has a build volume of about 10^^3.? The larger Voron V2.4 goes up to about 20^^3. ? Another similar open-source group is??in Portugal - similar dynamic: build from scratch from their designs, but they also sell kits. ?
Voron is as much a philosophy (cultish) as it is a product - kind of like Rhino in the CAD world.? It has a dedicated following of serious build-from-scratch nerds, and is the most challenging to build, but also the highest performance.? It has a deep global subculture and is not for the faint of heart.? In many respects, the Voron community reminds me of the Ham Radio world, or the RC model makers back when I was a kid.
Some background: ?The world of 3D printing users seem to break down into two large categories: ?those who just want to print parts, and those who want to build and hot-rod the printers.? I thought I was in the first category - but things changed and I have drunk the kool-aid so to speak.? The size of the 3D printing community is staggering.? As an example, Prusa in Prague ships 10,000 printers per month, and they are just one of 5-6 volume manufacturers. ??is much bigger than Prusa, and caters to the “low cost” hobbits community (think teens). ??I picked Prusa because they have the longest track record, the most robust design, are open source, with plenty of support, and most printer farms today run on Prusa machines.? There are in fact many sole proprietorships pumping out 3D parts in substantial quantity using a print farm of 10-100 printers.? You might enjoy??about Prusa.
There are Voron kits available from LDO and others that include most of the parts - assuming you don’t want to source every nut/bolt/extruder/stepper/etc. on your own.? But the die hard (think “real men”) Voron builders source all the parts. ??is one (of probably 100) sourcing guides for the V0.2.? Once you have built a Voron, you can apply for a serial number to the head designer group that came up with an maintain the plans, but you have to substantiate that you in fact built it yourself and that it meets the published design and performance specs.? There is a dedicated forum?, and most of the community participates on the Voron??channel to share ideas, offer help, and converse with the original design team.? There are also plenty of YouTubers who have live streams where they build these printers.? Example ().
If you want to nerd out, you might start by going to the festival in a couple weeks: ?. All of my new friends will be there.? Researching for a Voron Survival Guide. ?
David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there.? Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer.? Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid.? A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4.? The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part.? I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4.? I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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318-219-7868
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Thanks David. I will look into the IP issue. I am definitely in print and be done category, at least that is what I think having not touched one yet.
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 4:45?PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: ? Bambu is a recent entrant into the 3D printer world. ?People love them or hate them. ?But they have a following and seem to work well. ?I regard their printers as appliances - unbox it and just print. ?I have several friends who love them, but it’s a closed system with a controversial requirement that all the designs are sliced in China - so you have no control over your IP. ?That may or may not be important to you. ?They have several sizes with different motion systems. ?The Bambu Carbon X1 is the high end of the line and is basically the P1S in an enclosure for printing things like ABS or Nylon.?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Apr 4, 2024, at 12:21?PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I plan to get one in May when back in the country. A friend who has been doing this for a while is recommending Bambu P1S. What do you guys think?
On Apr 4, 2024, at 3:00?PM, bacchus6015 via groups.io <joeinno@...> wrote:
? David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there. ?Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer. ?Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid. ?A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4. ?The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part. ?I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4. ?I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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There is a compromise alternative by using a new jailbroken firmware on the bambu printers called x1 plus. I don't love bambu's response to it.
It's a Chinese controlled company but also has a reputation to protect. I believe uploads and slicing are using usa based AWS (amazon) cloud computing services. I have not taken the time to analyze this in detail, caveat emptor.
You are not legally (I'm not a lawyer! CE!) giving up your IP to bambu, but it could be stolen. This is true of any service including your laptop which Im guessing is internet connected.
Whether that makes you more comfortable with the ip risk or not is not for me to say. My ip (shop fixtures etc) is not valuable enough for me to care.
AWS has a very good security posture but that is only as good as the users of their service (bambu in this case) configure and use it.
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Thanks David. I will look into the IP issue. I am definitely in print and be done category, at least that is what I think having not touched one yet.
On Apr 4, 2024, at 4:45?PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
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Bambu is a recent entrant into the 3D printer world. ?People love them or hate them. ?But they have a following and seem to work well. ?I regard their printers as appliances - unbox it and just print. ?I have several friends who love them, but it’s a closed system with a controversial requirement that all the designs are sliced in China - so you have no control over your IP. ?That may or may not be important to you. ?They have several sizes with different motion systems. ?The Bambu Carbon X1 is the high end of the line and is basically the P1S in an enclosure for printing things like ABS or Nylon.?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Apr 4, 2024, at 12:21?PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I plan to get one in May when back in the country. A friend who has been doing this for a while is recommending Bambu P1S. What do you guys think?
On Apr 4, 2024, at 3:00?PM, bacchus6015 via groups.io <joeinno@...> wrote:
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David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there. ?Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer. ?Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid. ?A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4. ?The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part. ?I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4. ?I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 6:51?PM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote: ? There is a compromise alternative by using a new jailbroken firmware on the bambu printers called x1 plus. I don't love bambu's response to it.
It's a Chinese controlled company but also has a reputation to protect. I believe uploads and slicing are using usa based AWS (amazon) cloud computing services. I have not taken the time to analyze this in detail, caveat emptor.
You are not legally (I'm not a lawyer! CE!) giving up your IP to bambu, but it could be stolen. This is true of any service including your laptop which Im guessing is internet connected.
Whether that makes you more comfortable with the ip risk or not is not for me to say. My ip (shop fixtures etc) is not valuable enough for me to care.
AWS has a very good security posture but that is only as good as the users of their service (bambu in this case) configure and use it.
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 2:51?PM, imranindiana < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks David. I will look into the IP issue. I am definitely in print and be done category, at least that is what I think having not touched one yet.
On Apr 4, 2024, at 4:45?PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
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Bambu is a recent entrant into the 3D printer world. ?People love them or hate them. ?But they have a following and seem to work well. ?I regard their printers as appliances - unbox it and just print. ?I have several friends who love them, but it’s a closed system with a controversial requirement that all the designs are sliced in China - so you have no control over your IP. ?That may or may not be important to you. ?They have several sizes with different motion systems. ?The Bambu Carbon X1 is the high end of the line and is basically the P1S in an enclosure for printing things like ABS or Nylon.?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Apr 4, 2024, at 12:21?PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I plan to get one in May when back in the country. A friend who has been doing this for a while is recommending Bambu P1S. What do you guys think?
On Apr 4, 2024, at 3:00?PM, bacchus6015 via groups.io <joeinno@...> wrote:
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David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there. ?Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer. ?Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid. ?A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4. ?The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part. ?I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4. ?I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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Imran,
I have Bambu Labs X1 Carbon with?the AMS (automatic material system).? My son has had his Bambu for over a year. Just like the FOG forum, everybody has an opinion which is better, faster, easy to setup?and self correcting so my opinion. Even though my recoomendation?is based on user experience, which? may not mean much to this group.
In short, it is a fantastic machine and true to advertising?can be setup out of the shipping box and printing in 30 minutes or less. In addition, Bambu's customer support has proven to be top notch as well as take customer recommendations for product improvements. Google the reviews and there are direct comparisons done between the models mentioned in this string TomsHardware has a recent review,
?Now the other machines like Prusa, Creality, etc are good machines but ( in general)? they require a lot of fiddling to get dialed in.... My son has a Prusa Mk4, and Creality ( i don't remember the model), and now? he only uses his Bambu.
Yes, the Bambu X1 Carbon is more expensive, but as the FOG always tout..."You get what you pay for!"
Best Regards to you Irman! Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066
I plan to get one in May when back in the country. A friend who has been doing this for a while is recommending Bambu P1S. What do you guys think? ? David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there.? Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer.? Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid.? A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4.? The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part.? I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4.? I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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I started with a Creality CR-10 some 10-12 years ago, recently got the Prusa XL two tool head machine. Other than taking 5-8 hours to assemble ( I got the un-assembled version), once built it has been absolutely perfect in printing, which works for me. My son runs the Bambu P1S and he likes it really well as he wanted plug and play with no fuss…. Which it seems to do. I can’t get behind the Chinese slicing situation and have heard about all sorts of folks designs ending up being shared on Bambu’s own website (like Printables) without their explicit agreement. I guess it boils down to given you are using their slicing software and cloud service, you are loosing the privacy of your designs.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 4:14?PM, sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:
Imran,
I have Bambu Labs X1 Carbon with?the AMS (automatic material system).? My son has had his Bambu for over a year. Just like the FOG forum, everybody has an opinion which is better, faster, easy to setup?and self correcting so my opinion. Even though my recoomendation?is based on user experience, which? may not mean much to this group.
In short, it is a fantastic machine and true to advertising?can be setup out of the shipping box and printing in 30 minutes or less. In addition, Bambu's customer support has proven to be top notch as well as take customer recommendations for product improvements. Google the reviews and there are direct comparisons done between the models mentioned in this string TomsHardware has a recent review,
?Now the other machines like Prusa, Creality, etc are good machines but ( in general)? they require a lot of fiddling to get dialed in.... My son has a Prusa Mk4, and Creality ( i don't remember the model), and now? he only uses his Bambu.
Yes, the Bambu X1 Carbon is more expensive, but as the FOG always tout..."You get what you pay for!"
Best Regards to you Irman! Scott Glaser 6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226 945-444-8066 I plan to get one in May when back in the country. A friend who has been doing this for a while is recommending Bambu P1S. What do you guys think? ? David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there.? Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer.? Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via ??<dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid.? A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4.? The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part.? I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4.? I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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Just don't use their cloud. Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 6:40?PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I started with a Creality CR-10 some 10-12 years ago, recently got the Prusa XL two tool head machine. Other than taking 5-8 hours to assemble ( I got the un-assembled version), once built it has been absolutely perfect in printing, which works for me. My son runs the Bambu P1S and he likes it really well as he wanted plug and play with no fuss…. Which it seems to do. I can’t get behind the Chinese slicing situation and have heard about all sorts of folks designs ending up being shared on Bambu’s own website (like Printables) without their explicit agreement. I guess it boils down to given you are using their slicing software and cloud service, you are loosing the privacy of your designs.
Imran,
I have Bambu Labs X1 Carbon with?the AMS (automatic material system).? My son has had his Bambu for over a year. Just like the FOG forum, everybody has an opinion which is better, faster, easy to setup?and self correcting so my opinion. Even though my recoomendation?is based on user experience, which? may not mean much to this group.
In short, it is a fantastic machine and true to advertising?can be setup out of the shipping box and printing in 30 minutes or less. In addition, Bambu's customer support has proven to be top notch as well as take customer recommendations for product improvements. Google the reviews and there are direct comparisons done between the models mentioned in this string TomsHardware has a recent review,
?Now the other machines like Prusa, Creality, etc are good machines but ( in general)? they require a lot of fiddling to get dialed in.... My son has a Prusa Mk4, and Creality ( i don't remember the model), and now? he only uses his Bambu.
Yes, the Bambu X1 Carbon is more expensive, but as the FOG always tout..."You get what you pay for!"
Best Regards to you Irman! Scott Glaser 6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226 945-444-8066 I plan to get one in May when back in the country. A friend who has been doing this for a while is recommending Bambu P1S. What do you guys think? ? David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there.? Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer.? Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via ??<dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid.? A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4.? The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part.? I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4.? I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 5:42?PM, sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:
Just don't use their cloud. Scott Glaser 6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226 945-444-8066 On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 6:40?PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I started with a Creality CR-10 some 10-12 years ago, recently got the Prusa XL two tool head machine. Other than taking 5-8 hours to assemble ( I got the un-assembled version), once built it has been absolutely perfect in printing, which works for me. My son runs the Bambu P1S and he likes it really well as he wanted plug and play with no fuss…. Which it seems to do. I can’t get behind the Chinese slicing situation and have heard about all sorts of folks designs ending up being shared on Bambu’s own website (like Printables) without their explicit agreement. I guess it boils down to given you are using their slicing software and cloud service, you are loosing the privacy of your designs.
Imran,
I have Bambu Labs X1 Carbon with?the AMS (automatic material system).? My son has had his Bambu for over a year. Just like the FOG forum, everybody has an opinion which is better, faster, easy to setup?and self correcting so my opinion. Even though my recoomendation?is based on user experience, which? may not mean much to this group.
In short, it is a fantastic machine and true to advertising?can be setup out of the shipping box and printing in 30 minutes or less. In addition, Bambu's customer support has proven to be top notch as well as take customer recommendations for product improvements. Google the reviews and there are direct comparisons done between the models mentioned in this string TomsHardware has a recent review,
?Now the other machines like Prusa, Creality, etc are good machines but ( in general)? they require a lot of fiddling to get dialed in.... My son has a Prusa Mk4, and Creality ( i don't remember the model), and now? he only uses his Bambu.
Yes, the Bambu X1 Carbon is more expensive, but as the FOG always tout..."You get what you pay for!"
Best Regards to you Irman! Scott Glaser 6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226 945-444-8066 I plan to get one in May when back in the country. A friend who has been doing this for a while is recommending Bambu P1S. What do you guys think? ? David,
I went to the Voron webpage and there is not much description there.? Is there a forum where people discuss the Voron?
The MK4 looks very capable for a $1000 printer.? Nice.
I Have watched Markforged for years but I can’t justify the cost.
Thanks,
Joe
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:31?PM, David P. Best via ??<dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote:
Joe, I originally bought the Prusa MK3S kit at the start of covid.? A couple months ago I installed the upgrade kit to make it an MK4.? The speed improvement was 4-10X depending on the part.? I did print my own parts for the MK4 upgrade with PETG—CF in that dark blue, and other than that and adding a few covers, it’s a stock MK4.? I am currently building a??from scratch, and that will be all tricked out.
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Unfortunately for the Prusa owners, the Bambu printers have made them pretty much antiquated. Same for most printers on the market. The introduction of their printers was pretty much a leap forward. I have many, many printers and I always go back to my Bambu printers. The only reason I use my Voron is due to volume. It's 400x400x400mm.
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Brian,
For those unfamiliar with Bambu printers.....
You can load your STL. files/designs on an SD card and then? load the file directly in the Bambu Printer via the SD card slot.? We never use any cloud....no matter. We use the SD card just about exclusively.
From Bambus website: Our printers support a micro SD card of up to 2TB if formatted using the printer option,?supported in FAT32 format.
Cheers
Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:19?PM Chris Stahl < accounts@...> wrote: Unfortunately for the Prusa owners, the Bambu printers have made them pretty much antiquated. Same for most printers on the market. The introduction of their printers was pretty much a leap forward. I have many, many printers and I always go back to my Bambu printers. The only reason I use my Voron is due to volume. It's 400x400x400mm.
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I believe this idea that Bambu has made other printers antiquated is a gross exaggeration. ?For sure they (among others) are putting pressure on the industry, but the game is far from over. ? Prusa for sure has a pricing challenge, but don’t count them out. ? It will be interesting to see how things evolve over the next two years. ? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 8:19?PM, Chris Stahl <accounts@...> wrote:
?Unfortunately for the Prusa owners, the Bambu printers have made them pretty much antiquated. Same for most printers on the market. The introduction of their printers was pretty much a leap forward. I have many, many printers and I always go back to my Bambu printers. The only reason I use my Voron is due to volume. It's 400x400x400mm.
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Well, you design your part, and then what software slices it? Bambu Studio, correct? You can create your STL anywhere, but as soon as you import that into Bambu Studio to slice it and send it to your printer, which is cloud connected, Bambu has the info from what I understand. Why else would someone have taken the time to come up with X1Plus to jailbreak the situation? Even if you sneaker net the files to the printer with your SD card, the printer itself is cloud connected.
As for the Prusa being an antique, I don’t have the same feelings about that. We seem to have some very strong opinions in Bambu vs. Everyone else in the 3D printing world, but I made my choices based on a few things. I like the robust design of the Prusa, larger capacity and especially the tool changing heads… the idea of poop chutes and lots of wasted time and filament to get multi-material or multi-color prints just doesn’t seem like the best way to go. Did Prusa shoot themselves in the foot with some software issues that weren’t up to par with the mechanical aspects of the machine, yes, I think they did. But, I’d much rather flash a new version of software (with tons of community support by the way) than have an obsolete mechanically printer.
My original thoughts were to build a Rat-Rig, I like the mechanics of that printer… but fooling with wires and software at the level of build it yourself that those machines require isn’t something I felt capable of.
Regardless, the world of 3D printers is moving so fast and furious that it’s hard to say where we will be in a year or two.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Apr 4, 2024, at 9:33?PM, sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:
Brian,
For those unfamiliar with Bambu printers.....
You can load your STL. files/designs on an SD card and then? load the file directly in the Bambu Printer via the SD card slot.? We never use any cloud....no matter. We use the SD card just about exclusively.
From Bambus website: Our printers support a micro SD card of up to 2TB if formatted using the printer option,?supported in FAT32 format.
Cheers
Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066 On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:19?PM Chris Stahl < accounts@...> wrote: Unfortunately for the Prusa owners, the Bambu printers have made them pretty much antiquated. Same for most printers on the market. The introduction of their printers was pretty much a leap forward. I have many, many printers and I always go back to my Bambu printers. The only reason I use my Voron is due to volume. It's 400x400x400mm.
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I know someone will see this response as confrontational,?but I assume you it?is only presented with the goal of improving the effectiveness of communication
Could I suggest? that?Instead of debating your position , how about you research the questions yourself instead of thinking you know it all!? ?I automatically assume that I do?I notI know it all and learn to research extensively.
From Bambu website: There is a LAN mode where you communicate via local network skipping the cloud. See down at the bottom of the page under “Two network modes” . Printer comes set from factory to use the cloud, so you have to change in network settings. This and as other’s have stated SD card are two options for not using the cloud.
Also we? do not use?Bambu studio if we are concerned with someone stealing code, there is a work around.... I'll let you do your own research to find out what to use....But Bambu studio is very good,
I mean no offense, it?just seems the old timer FOG guys are quick to provide critical feedback without concern to others.....I can say this now because there are other FOG members that deliberately do not respond to the Fog membership questions.
Now of course,? in texting or written responses it is easy to mistake attitude.? Which is why we should go overboard and be tactful and kind to others with the written word
Lastly, I will resume "my monitor only and not reply"? to any FOG messages... I can get what I need from Sawmill Creek Forum, Finehomebuilding, the Felder technicians and several other forums that are proving as valuable as the?FOG.??I'm guessing next I will be banned from the FOG which I can live with....I have the alternative addresses of the 6 or so friends I have developed?over the last few months.
If you feel the above comments do not affect you, then please just ignore it.?
Best Regards? Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066
On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 10:52?AM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Well, you design your part, and then what software slices it? Bambu Studio, correct? You can create your STL anywhere, but as soon as you import that into Bambu Studio to slice it and send it to your printer, which is cloud connected, Bambu has the info from what I understand. Why else would someone have taken the time to come up with X1Plus to jailbreak the situation? Even if you sneaker net the files to the printer with your SD card, the printer itself is cloud connected.
As for the Prusa being an antique, I don’t have the same feelings about that. We seem to have some very strong opinions in Bambu vs. Everyone else in the 3D printing world, but I made my choices based on a few things. I like the robust design of the Prusa, larger capacity and especially the tool changing heads… the idea of poop chutes and lots of wasted time and filament to get multi-material or multi-color prints just doesn’t seem like the best way to go. Did Prusa shoot themselves in the foot with some software issues that weren’t up to par with the mechanical aspects of the machine, yes, I think they did. But, I’d much rather flash a new version of software (with tons of community support by the way) than have an obsolete mechanically printer.
My original thoughts were to build a Rat-Rig, I like the mechanics of that printer… but fooling with wires and software at the level of build it yourself that those machines require isn’t something I felt capable of.
Regardless, the world of 3D printers is moving so fast and furious that it’s hard to say where we will be in a year or two.
Brian,
For those unfamiliar with Bambu printers.....
You can load your STL. files/designs on an SD card and then? load the file directly in the Bambu Printer via the SD card slot.? We never use any cloud....no matter. We use the SD card just about exclusively.
From Bambus website: Our printers support a micro SD card of up to 2TB if formatted using the printer option,?supported in FAT32 format.
Cheers
Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066 On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:19?PM Chris Stahl < accounts@...> wrote: Unfortunately for the Prusa owners, the Bambu printers have made them pretty much antiquated. Same for most printers on the market. The introduction of their printers was pretty much a leap forward. I have many, many printers and I always go back to my Bambu printers. The only reason I use my Voron is due to volume. It's 400x400x400mm.
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Wow…. I don’t think I came across as know it all or confrontational, if you thought so, you are mistaken, I merely stated my opinions . I feel I do “do the research”, I’ve been involved in 3D printing for 10+ years now. Here is the page I found on the Bambu website that discusses all the steps they take for security:
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imran