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looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
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looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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?Thank you so much. I will look at the slider to verify the size. I am just in the process of determining whether or not to get a song like this in place of my cabinets. I am a hobbyist bud appreciate good quality but I am still searching the pros and cons of this versus a cabinet saw. Any direction you can send me would be greatly appreciated.
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On Jul 26, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Slider vs. cabinet saw is a no brainer, the quality of work goes up considerably and the speed that you can complete it drops dramatically. The safety factor on a slider is worth considering too, with clamps to hold the material in place, you never need to get your hands close to a blade, or stand in line with possible kickback.
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?Thank you so much. I will look at the slider to verify the size. I am just in the process of determining whether or not to get a song like this in place of my cabinets. I am a hobbyist bud appreciate good quality but I am still searching the pros and cons of this versus a cabinet saw. Any direction you can send me would be greatly appreciated. On Jul 26, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Keith
I’ve got a 2003 and beyond the comment about table length (and the obvious - its got a shaper), the other significant changes I found when I made the move to slider from cabinet, was no more stacked dado cutting or tenon jigs.? Obviously both doable with different methods but it meant some changes to workflows I’d been accustomed to.
Good luck.? Great machine
Mike
?Thank you so much. I will look at the slider to verify the size. I am just in the process of determining whether or not to get a song like this in place of my cabinets. I am a hobbyist bud appreciate good quality but I am still searching the pros and cons of this versus a cabinet saw. Any direction you can send me would be greatly appreciated. On Jul 26, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Keith,
Brian’s estimate seem pretty overvalued to me. ?Considering the fact that it’s a pre-X-Roll 8-foot slider, single trunion mechanism,etc, I would have put the value at $4K to $4.5K.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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?Thank you so much. I will look at the slider to verify the size. I am just in the process of determining whether or not to get a song like this in place of my cabinets. I am a hobbyist bud appreciate good quality but I am still searching the pros and cons of this versus a cabinet saw. Any direction you can send me would be greatly appreciated. On Jul 26, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Thanks so much for the feedback. I think there is just The apprehension of going from something I know (cabinet saw)to a new way of working with a machine like the Felder. I will be able to work with the machine at my friends shop to Practice on it. Really appreciate the help
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On Jul 26, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Slider vs. cabinet saw is a no brainer, the quality of work goes up considerably and the speed that you can complete it drops dramatically. The safety factor on a slider is worth considering too, with clamps to hold the material in place, you never need to get your hands close to a blade, or stand in line with possible kickback.
?Thank you so much. I will look at the slider to verify the size. I am just in the process of determining whether or not to get a song like this in place of my cabinets. I am a hobbyist bud appreciate good quality but I am still searching the pros and cons of this versus a cabinet saw. Any direction you can send me would be greatly appreciated. On Jul 26, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Keith,
There are many variables and accessories making it hard to use sale data. A machine used by a hobbiest is infinitely more desirable. Occasionally, a machine may come for sale from a business that for some reason did not get used but in general I avoid that.
Keep in mind that this is a big investment for most and these are hard/expensive to transport. You can easily spend $500 to check a machine out and $1000 to transport. If you are in CA, these number may be considerably less as most machines come up in that market. So don’t discount the fact that you have found something “known” and I assume it is close by.
Here is a machine that recently sold. I helped this family with pricing their equipment. If you need to contact me my number is 765-210-7645. Just to be clear for folks here and you this help is offered free of charge.
Here is a lesser machine currently at an auction ending in few days:
Here is my take on your question. A fair price for a well kept machine should be 65% of what your friend paid for it. Another way, to arrive at the price is to price a new machine and you should not be paying more than 50% of new.
Hope this helps.
Imran
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On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:39 AM, keith meyer <Meyer.keith25@...> wrote: ? Thanks so much for the feedback. I think there is just The apprehension of going from something I know (cabinet saw)to a new way of working with a machine like the Felder. I will be able to work with the machine at my friends shop to Practice on it. Really appreciate the help On Jul 26, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Slider vs. cabinet saw is a no brainer, the quality of work goes up considerably and the speed that you can complete it drops dramatically. The safety factor on a slider is worth considering too, with clamps to hold the material in place, you never need to get your hands close to a blade, or stand in line with possible kickback.
?Thank you so much. I will look at the slider to verify the size. I am just in the process of determining whether or not to get a song like this in place of my cabinets. I am a hobbyist bud appreciate good quality but I am still searching the pros and cons of this versus a cabinet saw. Any direction you can send me would be greatly appreciated. On Jul 26, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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I have a better feel for the old iron market than Felder but I'd pay in the 4-5K range for a very good condition KF7 series with some tooling but not much more for the first version of the 700 series.? The change in base design with basically the old internals
was not an improvement as much as a cost savings.? Later post 2004 machines would demand a little higher price.? This market is weird and if close enough to transport yourself and run in person, it might be a deal at 5500-6500 if it has spindles, blades, and?
a feeder.? Dave
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Keith,
There are many variables and accessories making it hard to use sale data. A machine used by a hobbiest is infinitely more desirable. Occasionally, a machine may come for sale from a business that for some reason did not get used but in general
I avoid that.
Keep in mind that this is a big investment for most and these are hard/expensive to transport. You can easily spend $500 to check a machine out and $1000 to transport. If you are in CA, these number may be considerably less as most machines come
up in that market. So don’t discount the fact that you have found something “known” and I assume it is close by.
Here is a machine that recently sold. I helped this family with pricing their equipment. If you need to contact me my number is 765-210-7645. Just to be clear for folks here and you this help is offered free of charge.
Here is a lesser machine currently at an auction ending in few days:
Here is my take on your question. A fair price for a well kept machine should be 65% of what your friend paid for it. Another way, to arrive at the price is to price a new machine and you should not be paying more than 50% of new.
Hope this helps.
Imran
On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:39 AM, keith meyer <Meyer.keith25@...> wrote:
?Thanks so much for the feedback. I think there is just The apprehension of going from something I know (cabinet saw)to a new way of working with a machine like the Felder.
I will be able to work with the machine at my friends shop to Practice on it. Really appreciate the help
On Jul 26, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?Slider vs. cabinet saw is a no brainer, the quality of work goes up considerably and the speed that you can complete it drops dramatically. The safety factor on a slider is worth considering too, with clamps to hold the material in place, you
never need to get your hands close to a blade, or stand in line with possible kickback.
?Thank you so much. I will look at the slider to verify the size. I am just in the process of determining whether or not to get a song like this in place of my cabinets. I am a hobbyist bud appreciate good quality but I am still searching
the pros and cons of this versus a cabinet saw. Any direction you can send me would be greatly appreciated.
On Jul 26, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated.
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First, i dont think you will look back once you get the slider and use it for an hour, Keith. It is a better designed saw in just about every way with two minor/major drawbacks. One, the physical and working footprint is sometimes substantially larger than a cabinet saw. Two, rips longer than the stroke of your sliding table are annoying on a slider. An 8-9' machine would eliminate?the latter critique. It is not often i rip things longer than 9'. As for the real estate, if you have the room, then its not a problem. If you dont have the room, the outrigger and crosscut fence pop off the Felder machines pretty easily, which frees up a lot of real estate when not in use. I do this from time to time, because my basement shop is cramped. Ive never had an issue with my crosscut fence being out of alignment after replacing the outrigger. When I purchased my KF700, i sold my jessem router table, delta unisaw, festool mft, and festool kapex. All of those tools combined occupied about the same footprint, and their proceeds covered 50-70% of the Felder's cost. I would describe the KF700 as infinitely more capable than that collection of tools.?
As to the 2002 KF700 in question, im sure its a well-cared for machine, but you would almost have to pay me to take it. That is pre-xroll, which significantly decreases its value to anyone looking at it. I havent used this vintage of Felder, but im sure its fine in operation; however, you are a year or two before Felder went to a design that it still utilizes 17 years later. Second, no dado option on that vintage, i believe. This is kind of an issue for me if this is going to be my only saw. Finally, as others point out, accessories, single phase vs 3 phase, and condition play an enormous role in determining market value. I havent?followed stuff as closely the last year, and we are definitely in a different world, but that machine two years ago would have been $3,500+/- with limited accessories.?
Patrick
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:44 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Keith,
There are many variables and accessories making it hard to use sale data. A machine used by a hobbiest is infinitely more desirable. Occasionally, a machine may come for sale from a business that for some reason did not get used but in general I avoid that.
Keep in mind that this is a big investment for most and these are hard/expensive to transport. You can easily spend $500 to check a machine out and $1000 to transport. If you are in CA, these number may be considerably less as most machines come up in that market. So don’t discount the fact that you have found something “known” and I assume it is close by.
Here is a machine that recently sold. I helped this family with pricing their equipment. If you need to contact me my number is 765-210-7645. Just to be clear for folks here and you this help is offered free of charge.
Here is a lesser machine currently at an auction ending in few days:
Here is my take on your question. A fair price for a well kept machine should be 65% of what your friend paid for it. Another way, to arrive at the price is to price a new machine and you should not be paying more than 50% of new.
Hope this helps.
Imran ?Thanks so much for the feedback. I think there is just The apprehension of going from something I know (cabinet saw)to a new way of working with a machine like the Felder. I will be able to work with the machine at my friends shop to Practice on it. Really appreciate the help On Jul 26, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?Slider vs. cabinet saw is a no brainer, the quality of work goes up considerably and the speed that you can complete it drops dramatically. The safety factor on a slider is worth considering too, with clamps to hold the material in place, you never need to get your hands close to a blade, or stand in line with possible kickback.
?Thank you so much. I will look at the slider to verify the size. I am just in the process of determining whether or not to get a song like this in place of my cabinets. I am a hobbyist bud appreciate good quality but I am still searching the pros and cons of this versus a cabinet saw. Any direction you can send me would be greatly appreciated. On Jul 26, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Keith,
I should have mentioned that my KF is a 2002 and I bought it new. Xroll slider is desirable and a machine with Xroll will command a higher price but the older slider with 2 slots has it’s benefits, especially if you intend to use short xcut fence. I can’t tell if mine has degraded over the years.?I have both sliders, pre Xroll on KF and Xroll on K975 and I believe both will last my lifetime.
David Best just put a video out. If you can check your friend’s machine and confirm following are good or can be adjusted to be good, you will never mess with the trunion (from survival guide):
Lack of dado is the key feature missing from this vintage of machine.
Imran?
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On Jul 27, 2021, at 8:44 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ? Keith,
There are many variables and accessories making it hard to use sale data. A machine used by a hobbiest is infinitely more desirable. Occasionally, a machine may come for sale from a business that for some reason did not get used but in general I avoid that.
Keep in mind that this is a big investment for most and these are hard/expensive to transport. You can easily spend $500 to check a machine out and $1000 to transport. If you are in CA, these number may be considerably less as most machines come up in that market. So don’t discount the fact that you have found something “known” and I assume it is close by.
Here is a machine that recently sold. I helped this family with pricing their equipment. If you need to contact me my number is 765-210-7645. Just to be clear for folks here and you this help is offered free of charge.
Here is a lesser machine currently at an auction ending in few days:
Here is my take on your question. A fair price for a well kept machine should be 65% of what your friend paid for it. Another way, to arrive at the price is to price a new machine and you should not be paying more than 50% of new.
Hope this helps.
Imran
On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:39 AM, keith meyer <Meyer.keith25@...> wrote:
? Thanks so much for the feedback. I think there is just The apprehension of going from something I know (cabinet saw)to a new way of working with a machine like the Felder. I will be able to work with the machine at my friends shop to Practice on it. Really appreciate the help On Jul 26, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? Slider vs. cabinet saw is a no brainer, the quality of work goes up considerably and the speed that you can complete it drops dramatically. The safety factor on a slider is worth considering too, with clamps to hold the material in place, you never need to get your hands close to a blade, or stand in line with possible kickback.
?Thank you so much. I will look at the slider to verify the size. I am just in the process of determining whether or not to get a song like this in place of my cabinets. I am a hobbyist bud appreciate good quality but I am still searching the pros and cons of this versus a cabinet saw. Any direction you can send me would be greatly appreciated. On Jul 26, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I have a 2001 machine… is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can’t really cut 8’ sheets on an 8’ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12” blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.
As for worth, based on older sales, I’d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.
looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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David P. Best
imran