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My father-in-law recently passed, and he had a Felder combination machine (731-03) in his shop along with a Felder bandsaw (FB-40). I need to move both in advance of selling his house, but haven't the faintest idea as to how do to so. Would appreciate any guidance as to how they can be moved safely. The combination machine has a long (10ft?) slide which I presume needs to be removed prior to moving the base, but am not clear how to do so. I assume there have to be some guides as to how to move a felder, but so far I have been unable to find anything.?
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Thx,
Calvin Keaton?
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Hi Calvin,
Sorry for your loss
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The combination machine is essentially a Jointer/Planer and Table saw bolted together. It can be moved as one, or as two halves. To move as two halves with the saw disconnected, if you open up the access panels you should be able to see a number of bolts that go between each half, remove these bolts and ther electrical connections between. A narrow pallet jack can then be used to move the table saw side. For the Jointer/Planer side, there should be two holes where you can insert a (if I recall M8x50) bolt and nut, this is used to support one side of the pallet jack with the other leg underneath.
For moving as one, a normal width, but long pallet jack (48"+) is recommended, see the example image on page 25 of the CF741 manual in the files section - /g/felderownersgroup/files/Manuals%20&%20Drawings/CF%20741-CF741S%20User%20Manual%20-%20Part%201.pdf, you can move it without putting it back on a pallet, but if going a long distance, it would be my recommendation.
If your only moving the saw a small distance, leave the slider attached if possible, but if you need to remove it, see David Best's video about calibrating a slider () which should make sense about how to remove. You should only need a pair of 19mm open ended spanners.?
For the bandsaw, if it doesnt have a mobile base, easiest to source a sturdy wooden pallet, and lift it on, and bolt it down to the pallet to move around.
-Karl
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Hello Calvin,
I’m sorry for your loss. I would suggest you contact a machinery rigging company in your area. ?Such organizations do this kind of thing all the time. ?You didn’t say where you are, but Felder should be able to assist you in finding a rigging company near you if you call and push on the issue. ?You can reach their USA HQ at??(866) 792-5288?. ?Hope this helps.
As a side note to others here, I have included instructions in my estate plan on how to move and liquidate my equipment when the day comes for my kids to take on the unenviable task. I recommend others do the same because that day will surely come.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Feb 17, 2025, at 7:39?AM, calvink69 via groups.io <calvink69@...> wrote:
Hello,?
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My father-in-law recently passed, and he had a Felder combination machine (731-03) in his shop along with a Felder bandsaw (FB-40). I need to move both in advance of selling his house, but haven't the faintest idea as to how do to so. Would appreciate any guidance as to how they can be moved safely. The combination machine has a long (10ft?) slide which I presume needs to be removed prior to moving the base, but am not clear how to do so. I assume there have to be some guides as to how to move a felder, but so far I have been unable to find anything.?
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Thx,
Calvin Keaton?
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Mr Best, without being too revealing, can you give us some tips on the liquidation of the equipment??
Bill Belanger?
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On Feb 17, 2025, at 10:40, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Hello Calvin,
I’m sorry for your loss. I would suggest you contact a machinery rigging company in your area. ?Such organizations do this kind of thing all the time. ?You didn’t say where you are, but Felder should be able to assist you in finding a rigging company near you if you call and push on the issue. ?You can reach their USA HQ at??(866) 792-5288?. ?Hope this helps.
As a side note to others here, I have included instructions in my estate plan on how to move and liquidate my equipment when the day comes for my kids to take on the unenviable task. I recommend others do the same because that day will surely come.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Feb 17, 2025, at 7:39?AM, calvink69 via groups.io <calvink69@...> wrote:
Hello,?
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My father-in-law recently passed, and he had a Felder combination machine (731-03) in his shop along with a Felder bandsaw (FB-40). I need to move both in advance of selling his house, but haven't the faintest idea as to how do to so. Would appreciate any guidance as to how they can be moved safely. The combination machine has a long (10ft?) slide which I presume needs to be removed prior to moving the base, but am not clear how to do so. I assume there have to be some guides as to how to move a felder, but so far I have been unable to find anything.?
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Thx,
Calvin Keaton?
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Of course Bill. ?The estate plan instructions read ? ?“Call Paul Kelly. ?For better pricing, call Scott Slater.” ? LOL
Seriously, my estate plan binder includes a section on dealing with the shop that includes:? - References to my local rigger who handled the move into the basement.
- Full specifications for each stationary or large machine/bench and where to find the original invoice for same.
- Suggestions on where to list machines for sale. ?Usual suspects (FOG, eBay, Craigs List, Felder consignment, FB Marketplace, MachineryMax, WoodWeb, Midwest Felder Owners Group on FB).
- Names of friends who are on FOG and have offered to assist in liquidation.
- Name and contact info for a local estate sale agent who specializes in shop liquidations.
- Contact information for several local educational facilities that accept donations of this type.?
- Name and contact information for scrap metal dealers.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Feb 17, 2025, at 9:45?AM, Bill Belanger via groups.io <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? Mr Best, without being too revealing, can you give us some tips on the liquidation of the equipment??
Bill Belanger? On Feb 17, 2025, at 10:40, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Hello Calvin,
I’m sorry for your loss. I would suggest you contact a machinery rigging company in your area. ?Such organizations do this kind of thing all the time. ?You didn’t say where you are, but Felder should be able to assist you in finding a rigging company near you if you call and push on the issue. ?You can reach their USA HQ at??(866) 792-5288?. ?Hope this helps.
As a side note to others here, I have included instructions in my estate plan on how to move and liquidate my equipment when the day comes for my kids to take on the unenviable task. I recommend others do the same because that day will surely come.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Feb 17, 2025, at 7:39?AM, calvink69 via groups.io <calvink69@...> wrote:
Hello,?
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My father-in-law recently passed, and he had a Felder combination machine (731-03) in his shop along with a Felder bandsaw (FB-40). I need to move both in advance of selling his house, but haven't the faintest idea as to how do to so. Would appreciate any guidance as to how they can be moved safely. The combination machine has a long (10ft?) slide which I presume needs to be removed prior to moving the base, but am not clear how to do so. I assume there have to be some guides as to how to move a felder, but so far I have been unable to find anything.?
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Thx,
Calvin Keaton?
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Hey Calvin,
What does the situation on the ground look like? Is this a typical 2-4 car suburban garage with immediate access to a flat and paved driveway, or is this over the hills and through the woods to a barn? I’ve moved my fair share of machines, but I’m also 37 and a lot of those moves were in my 20s. Recently moved a greenlee mortiser that had me cursing buying the thing and why don’t I have a forklift yet as I moved it from its busted pallet onto the ground. If you plan on keeping the machines for your own use, then it’s hard to argue with hiring a rigging company to handle the transport. I’ve done it twice and it nearly brought me to tears of joy each time handing the guy $300-400 to do 20 mins of work. If you plan on selling the machines, and it’s a simple move from the garage to the driveway, then a pallet jack for the combination machine should be simply work for two remotely fit people. The bandsaw will be a little trickier. I assume your FIL didn’t have it on blocking? If not, you will need to inch it up bit by bit with blocking/cribbing and a pry device. A Johnson bar is a luxury here, but I’ve lifted heavier machines than that bandsaw with a simple and crude pry bar used for demo work. Alternatively, a gantry with hoist could pick it up, or a neighbor with a suitable tractor and straps could pick it up.?
Anything under 3,000lbs on smooth and level paved surfaces is pretty easy with a pallet jack.?
If you plan on keeping the machines, Felder sells mobility kits for each specific machine, I believe. My acm bandsaw has the lift kit on it and I use that feature once a year. Bandsaw is a different animal to move with a pallet jack. Not always ideal/practical to lift that machine up 4” to accommodate a pallet jack. In my case, I don’t have the ceiling height for it. This will probably be in line with paying a rigging company, but might be nice to have if you think you will move each machine a few times a year in your space.?
Forgot to ask, but where are you located??
Patrick
On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 1:40?PM David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: Of course Bill.? The estate plan instructions read ? ?“Call Paul Kelly.? For better pricing, call Scott Slater.” ? LOL
Seriously, my estate plan binder includes a section on dealing with the shop that includes:? - References to my local rigger who handled the move into the basement.
- Full specifications for each stationary or large machine/bench and where to find the original invoice for same.
- Suggestions on where to list machines for sale.? Usual suspects (FOG, eBay, Craigs List, Felder consignment, FB Marketplace, MachineryMax, WoodWeb, Midwest Felder Owners Group on FB).
- Names of friends who are on FOG and have offered to assist in liquidation.
- Name and contact info for a local estate sale agent who specializes in shop liquidations.
- Contact information for several local educational facilities that accept donations of this type.?
- Name and contact information for scrap metal dealers.
?Mr Best, without being too revealing, can you give us some tips on the liquidation of the equipment??
Bill Belanger? On Feb 17, 2025, at 10:40, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop=[email protected]> wrote:
?Hello Calvin,
I’m sorry for your loss. I would suggest you contact a machinery rigging company in your area.? Such organizations do this kind of thing all the time.? You didn’t say where you are, but Felder should be able to assist you in finding a rigging company near you if you call and push on the issue.? You can reach their USA HQ at??(866) 792-5288?.? Hope this helps.
As a side note to others here, I have included instructions in my estate plan on how to move and liquidate my equipment when the day comes for my kids to take on the unenviable task. I recommend others do the same because that day will surely come.
Hello,?
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My father-in-law recently passed, and he had a Felder combination machine (731-03) in his shop along with a Felder bandsaw (FB-40). I need to move both in advance of selling his house, but haven't the faintest idea as to how do to so. Would appreciate any guidance as to how they can be moved safely. The combination machine has a long (10ft?) slide which I presume needs to be removed prior to moving the base, but am not clear how to do so. I assume there have to be some guides as to how to move a felder, but so far I have been unable to find anything.?
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Thx,
Calvin Keaton?
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I am sorry for your loss. Perhaps you have some of his work with which to remember him.
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The slider should come off prior to moving. It is not hard to do so, but it is really a two-person job. Once off, the slider should be protected in a way that keeps the bearing assemblies from being damaged.
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The table comes off my ACM (SCM) bandsaw to move, and I was able to separate the motor also. That cut the weight down to make it easier to handle.
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Riggers can take care of things for that point on. Much depends on where you are and where you are moving the machines to. If you are moving to storage, or just preparing to sell and ship from the current location, have the rigger put the tools on pallets.
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Depending on where you are it may be hard to find a rigger. In my area only one company was interested in working with me. Most just said they don’t do little jobs. The guy who did the work charged me $150 to take my saw off the truck when it arrived at his yard, another $150 to put it on his own truck to deliver it to me, and $250 per hour for a two-man crew (with a 4-hour minimum) to take it to my shop and get it off the pallet and into the approximate position I wanted it.
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Good luck, and keep asking questions. There are some talented folks in this group, and they will help you to the best of their ability.
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John Hinman
Boise ID USA
Kappa 450X and A941
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Folks,?
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First off, thanks for so many thoughtful and timely responses. This is an impressive community.?
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@Karl - the links to the video on the slide and the details on separating the machine(s) are helpful. I hadn't realized that they could be separated.
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@David Best - the HQ number is helpful. Plus one on including this in your estate plan. Hindsight being 20/20 there are questions I wish I had asked about the shop ahead of time and/or arrangements I wish we had made. Dealing with all this now makes a hard time somewhat harder.?
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@Patrick Kane - the shop itself is roomy with plenty of space, but there is quite an incline once out the doors at the back. They got them in with a moving truck with a lift gate I believe. Both the combination machine and the bandsaw are on blocking. We're located in Washington state, in Paulsbo (close to Seattle).?
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@John Hinman - we have a great deal of very fine furniture to share with various family members. Cant think of many other hobbies that result in such a great legacy actually.?
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One last question. The shop consists of the Felder combination machine (731-03), Felder bandsaw (FB-40), a Bridgewood belt sander, a Jet dust collector, and too many misc. tools and accessories to list. I see places like world4machines to sell the individual machines. But we would quite frankly prefer for someone to come and take the whole shop. Not so much interested in getting top dollar on things as we are in having someone keep using them as they were previously used. Thoughts on any way to do that? Seems a bit commercial to just part the whole thing out a bit at a time.?
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Thx,
Calvin
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I think its one of those things where you can get 10 different answers from 10 different people. But unless its a buisness-level of equiptment a single offer would likley be a significant low-ball against potential value in my view.
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If I were in a simmilar situation, if in/near a large city I would take the approach of trying to individually sell the big ticket items, (in terms of PowerTools, sounds like your F-I-L had a good eye, so may also have some premium power tools) as these are usually picked up by people that know what they are doing, and other than a little negotiation wont nickle-and-dime vs selling say a DeWalt Circular Saw to a local tradesperson. Then for the remainder would use the same method as your looking at for the rest of his estate.
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If hes in a smaller town, then likley let the professionals take care of anything not premium enough for dealing with postage.
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If you had any pictures of his work area it might help with a RoM of what you would be in for, and maybe if anyone here wanted to make you an offer for consideration.
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-Karl
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Calvin, disposing of tools like this is not an enviable task.
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Is there a woodworking club nearby? The two clubs I participate in (woodworkers and woodturners) are occasionally contacted by people who, like you, have a shop full of tools and also wood to move along. Club members can help by word-of-mouth advertising and also by purchasing.
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You may have three categories of items to move: power tools, hand tools, and wood. These appeal to different groups. Some of us hobby guys are suckers for things like classic hand planes, for instance.
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Don’t forget the wood, either. The price of hardwood has been going up dramatically, and some of us have been hoarding “special pieces” for years. If your father-in-law did that you may have substantial value just in material.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Hi Calvin, ? Sorry about your loss. ? John’s message below reminded me that in Indiana the FB woodworking groups also organize auction for deceased members. They may extend that to non-members as well. So worth looking into it. For Indiana these groups are named “Indiana Woodworkers Guild” and “Central Indiana Woodworkers”. I know there is a turners group as well. ? Hope this helps. ? Imran ?
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Subject: Re: [FOG] Help with moving a Felder CY731? Calvin, disposing of tools like this is not an enviable task. Is there a woodworking club nearby? The two clubs I participate in (woodworkers and woodturners) are occasionally contacted by people who, like you, have a shop full of tools and also wood to move along. Club members can help by word-of-mouth advertising and also by purchasing. You may have three categories of items to move: power tools, hand tools, and wood. These appeal to different groups. Some of us hobby guys are suckers for things like classic hand planes, for instance. Don’t forget the wood, either. The price of hardwood has been going up dramatically, and some of us have been hoarding “special pieces” for years. If your father-in-law did that you may have substantial value just in material. John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Calvin, now that I know where you are located, I suggest you call Fergus or Liz in the Sacramento office of Felder (both are in sales) and see if Felder would have interest in taking the Felder gear on consignment. ???(916) 375-3190? ?They can probably look up the original invoice for the machine and give you specifics about it. ?
I also agree with the “you ask 10 people, you’ll get 10 different answers” sentiment. ?Decide how much work you want to do on this first. ?If you have the time to sell individual pieces, be prepared to take photos of the equipment and know some of the details for your advertising (year, condition, model numbers, accessories, power requirements, etc.). ?You will also get requests for “under power” demos. ? If you don’t want to do that level of work, I’d recommend donation to a local educational/training facility, or get an estate auction house involved. ?
David Best
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On Feb 17, 2025, at 3:32?PM, calvink69 via groups.io <calvink69@...> wrote:
Folks,?
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First off, thanks for so many thoughtful and timely responses. This is an impressive community.?
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@Karl - the links to the video on the slide and the details on separating the machine(s) are helpful. I hadn't realized that they could be separated.
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@David Best - the HQ number is helpful. Plus one on including this in your estate plan. Hindsight being 20/20 there are questions I wish I had asked about the shop ahead of time and/or arrangements I wish we had made. Dealing with all this now makes a hard time somewhat harder.?
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@Patrick Kane - the shop itself is roomy with plenty of space, but there is quite an incline once out the doors at the back. They got them in with a moving truck with a lift gate I believe. Both the combination machine and the bandsaw are on blocking. We're located in Washington state, in Paulsbo (close to Seattle).?
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@John Hinman - we have a great deal of very fine furniture to share with various family members. Cant think of many other hobbies that result in such a great legacy actually.?
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One last question. The shop consists of the Felder combination machine (731-03), Felder bandsaw (FB-40), a Bridgewood belt sander, a Jet dust collector, and too many misc. tools and accessories to list. I see places like world4machines to sell the individual machines. But we would quite frankly prefer for someone to come and take the whole shop. Not so much interested in getting top dollar on things as we are in having someone keep using them as they were previously used. Thoughts on any way to do that? Seems a bit commercial to just part the whole thing out a bit at a time.?
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Thx,
Calvin
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I would consider a machine auction company. I assume there are more than just the two machines, likely tooling, small tools, clamps, etc? ?Exfactory and MachineryMax are two such companies.?
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Calvin –
As others here have said, very sorry for your loss.
Many of us are at that age where we have had to deal with similar.
When my brother passed on, we did a series of whole-lot sales, and made clear we were not parting out his collections.? Auction house estate sales or used equipment dealers is a way to quickly liquidate equipment.
In our case, getting closure and moving on was more important than the selling.?
Good luck with the process, and I hope there is some peace in knowing others will be putting the equipment to good use.
Rich Markiewicz?
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