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Felder Silent Power Dado 6.3-20mm
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Hello,
I sold my K700s a little while back and the buyer had no interest in these. They were lightly used in a hobbyist shop, and the carbide has never been rotated. 800$ shipped anywhere in the continental US.
Happy to answer any questions or send more photos.?
Thanks for looking,
Todd Bretl
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Hi Todd
I am very interested in the dado set.? However, I am in Australia. So logistically payment and shipping Ali Well be a bit more challenging.
Warm regards
Clinton Freer
Hello,
I sold my K700s a little while back and the buyer had no interest in these. They were lightly used in a hobbyist shop, and the carbide has never been rotated. 800$ shipped anywhere in the continental US.
Happy to answer any questions or send more photos.?
Thanks for looking,
Todd Bretl
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Hi Todd,?
Is this still available? I'm in Wisconsin. Also, have you sold your Mac clamps already? I figured you must have, the post was six months ago.
Thanks,
Kyle
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Not to hijack this thread, but I pose a question for the group:
I'm still familiarizing myself with shaper cutters and operation...Would this dado set be compatible with a 30mm spindle shaper for grooving? And if so are there any downsides to using such large diameter tooling, versus something more standard such as 160mm diameter?
Thank you,
Steve
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This has been sold. Thanks all for your interest.?
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Hi Steve:
Theoretically there’s no problem mounting the dado on your shaper spindle. There are no downsides in terms of safety or cutting quality. Just run the shaper on a lower speed. In practice, it will depend on the capacity of your particular shaper.
Does your shaper hood accept 228mm diameter cutter heads? And does your below table space allow a 228mm cutter head to lower “enough”? It is not just the table opening diameter of your shaper, but also any other protrusions that might stop you lowering (or
tilting) such a big cutter. Hope this is helpful.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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Not to hijack this thread, but I pose a question for the group:
I'm still familiarizing myself with shaper cutters and operation...Would this dado set be compatible with a 30mm spindle shaper for grooving? And if so are there any downsides to using such large diameter tooling, versus something more standard such as 160mm
diameter?
Thank you,
Steve
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Bummer. ?The dado has been sold. ?Felder is claiming 6-8 weeks for delivery. ?Any other sources other than Felder?
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On May 19, 2023, at 2:54 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi Steve:
Theoretically there’s no problem mounting the dado on your shaper spindle. There are no downsides in terms of safety or cutting quality. Just run the shaper on a lower speed. In practice, it will depend on the capacity of your particular shaper.
Does your shaper hood accept 228mm diameter cutter heads? And does your below table space allow a 228mm cutter head to lower “enough”? It is not just the table opening diameter of your shaper, but also any other protrusions that might stop you lowering (or
tilting) such a big cutter. Hope this is helpful.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Not to hijack this thread, but I pose a question for the group:
I'm still familiarizing myself with shaper cutters and operation...Would this dado set be compatible with a 30mm spindle shaper for grooving? And if so are there any downsides to using such large diameter tooling, versus something more standard such as 160mm
diameter?
Thank you,
Steve
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I bought a Forrest Dado King for my saw. It is a conventional dado stack, but drilled for the Felder. It seems there was some lead time involved, but I do not remember how long it took.
It seems to work. You will see the grooves the nickers leave.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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I'll second the forrest dado as a good option, though I only run it on the saw arbor, not the shaper. There is quite a long wait for forrest stuff right now - up to 2 - 3 months according to their web site and both the 6 and 8 inch dado stacks are sold out on the other web sites I've sourced from.
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I have a CMT dado stack purchased from Scott&Sargent. After I bought it a felder dado set came up for sale, which I bought. Anyhow, I have it for sale on FB.
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On May 19, 2023, at 6:28 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
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Bummer. ?The dado has been sold. ?Felder is claiming 6-8 weeks for delivery. ?Any other sources other than Felder?
On May 19, 2023, at 2:54 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi Steve:
Theoretically there’s no problem mounting the dado on your shaper spindle. There are no downsides in terms of safety or cutting quality. Just run the shaper on a lower speed. In practice, it will depend on the capacity of your particular shaper.
Does your shaper hood accept 228mm diameter cutter heads? And does your below table space allow a 228mm cutter head to lower “enough”? It is not just the table opening diameter of your shaper, but also any other protrusions that might stop you lowering (or
tilting) such a big cutter. Hope this is helpful.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Not to hijack this thread, but I pose a question for the group:
I'm still familiarizing myself with shaper cutters and operation...Would this dado set be compatible with a 30mm spindle shaper for grooving? And if so are there any downsides to using such large diameter tooling, versus something more standard such as 160mm
diameter?
Thank you,
Steve
I have a ridge carbide dado set it can be stamped for a Felder unit. Very nice flat bottom.?
Bummer.? The dado has been sold.? Felder is claiming 6-8 weeks for delivery.? Any other sources other than Felder? On May 19, 2023, at 2:54 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi Steve:
Theoretically there’s no problem mounting the dado on your shaper spindle. There are no downsides in terms of safety or cutting quality. Just run the shaper on a lower speed. In practice, it will depend on the capacity of your particular shaper.
Does your shaper hood accept 228mm diameter cutter heads? And does your below table space allow a 228mm cutter head to lower “enough”? It is not just the table opening diameter of your shaper, but also any other protrusions that might stop you lowering (or
tilting) such a big cutter. Hope this is helpful.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Not to hijack this thread, but I pose a question for the group:
I'm still familiarizing myself with shaper cutters and operation...Would this dado set be compatible with a 30mm spindle shaper for grooving? And if so are there any downsides to using such large diameter tooling, versus something more standard such as 160mm
diameter?
Thank you,
Steve
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I second the ridge carbide set, very good quality cut with no tear out on cross-cuts in prefinished maple?
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On May 19, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Andy <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:
? I have a ridge carbide dado set it can be stamped for a Felder unit. Very nice flat bottom.? Bummer.? The dado has been sold.? Felder is claiming 6-8 weeks for delivery.? Any other sources other than Felder? On May 19, 2023, at 2:54 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi Steve:
Theoretically there’s no problem mounting the dado on your shaper spindle. There are no downsides in terms of safety or cutting quality. Just run the shaper on a lower speed. In practice, it will depend on the capacity of your particular shaper.
Does your shaper hood accept 228mm diameter cutter heads? And does your below table space allow a 228mm cutter head to lower “enough”? It is not just the table opening diameter of your shaper, but also any other protrusions that might stop you lowering (or
tilting) such a big cutter. Hope this is helpful.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Not to hijack this thread, but I pose a question for the group:
I'm still familiarizing myself with shaper cutters and operation...Would this dado set be compatible with a 30mm spindle shaper for grooving? And if so are there any downsides to using such large diameter tooling, versus something more standard such as 160mm
diameter?
Thank you,
Steve
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Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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On May 19, 2023, at 5:04 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I have a CMT dado stack purchased from Scott&Sargent. After I bought it a felder dado set came up for sale, which I bought. Anyhow, I have it for sale on FB.
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On May 19, 2023, at 6:28 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
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Bummer. ?The dado has been sold. ?Felder is claiming 6-8 weeks for delivery. ?Any other sources other than Felder?
On May 19, 2023, at 2:54 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi Steve:
Theoretically there’s no problem mounting the dado on your shaper spindle. There are no downsides in terms of safety or cutting quality. Just run the shaper on a lower speed. In practice, it will depend on the capacity of your particular shaper.
Does your shaper hood accept 228mm diameter cutter heads? And does your below table space allow a 228mm cutter head to lower “enough”? It is not just the table opening diameter of your shaper, but also any other protrusions that might stop you lowering (or
tilting) such a big cutter. Hope this is helpful.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Not to hijack this thread, but I pose a question for the group:
I'm still familiarizing myself with shaper cutters and operation...Would this dado set be compatible with a 30mm spindle shaper for grooving? And if so are there any downsides to using such large diameter tooling, versus something more standard such as 160mm
diameter?
Thank you,
Steve
Mike, Can you comment a bit on your budget for the groover and your intended ?application? ?That would help narrow the alternatives.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On May 19, 2023, at 6:37 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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Primarily for cutting grooves (dados) in solid stock for furniture work. ?My spouse is looking for an anniversary present for me. ?The Forrest stack is ok, but the adjustability of the width of the groove is a pain in the ass. ?I have adjustable groovers for the shaper on CF741. ?I want to be able to set my dado up like David Best! ?Budget is less that 1.2k. ?I’d hoped to buy the groover that was listed above but no luck for a deal…
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On May 19, 2023, at 7:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Mike, Can you comment a bit on your budget for the groover and your intended ?application? ?That would help narrow the alternatives.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On May 19, 2023, at 6:37 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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Btw, if successful in identifying and procuring said adjustable groover for circular saws, a Forrest dado stack will be available…. 8”
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On May 19, 2023, at 7:56 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Primarily for cutting grooves (dados) in solid stock for furniture work. ?My spouse is looking for an anniversary present for me. ?The Forrest stack is ok, but the adjustability of the width of the groove is a pain in the ass. ?I have adjustable groovers for the shaper on CF741. ?I want to be able to set my dado up like David Best! ?Budget is less that 1.2k. ?I’d hoped to buy the groover that was listed above but no luck for a deal…
Mike On May 19, 2023, at 7:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Mike, Can you comment a bit on your budget for the groover and your intended ?application? ?That would help narrow the alternatives. David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On May 19, 2023, at 6:37 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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A FOG member reached out with an offer to sell his 6.4mm-12mm dado and we’ve reached agreement on that. ?If anyone has a 12-20mm they’d like to sell, let me know.
I’ve been searching for adjustable grooving cutters for circular saws, but the only thing that I find is the Felder tool. ?Doesn’t anyone else make or sell it? ?It seems strange to me as I am under the impression that almost all (or is it all?) of Felder’s shaper cutters are made by others.
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On May 19, 2023, at 7:58 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Btw, if successful in identifying and procuring said adjustable groover for circular saws, a Forrest dado stack will be available…. 8”
Mike On May 19, 2023, at 7:56 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Primarily for cutting grooves (dados) in solid stock for furniture work. ?My spouse is looking for an anniversary present for me. ?The Forrest stack is ok, but the adjustability of the width of the groove is a pain in the ass. ?I have adjustable groovers for the shaper on CF741. ?I want to be able to set my dado up like David Best! ?Budget is less that 1.2k. ?I’d hoped to buy the groover that was listed above but no luck for a deal…
Mike On May 19, 2023, at 7:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Mike, Can you comment a bit on your budget for the groover and your intended ?application? ?That would help narrow the alternatives. David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On May 19, 2023, at 6:37 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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Mike, there are lots of other adjustable groovers similar to the Felder dado cutter. ?However, they are geared for use on a shaper or tenoning machine, and thus are designed with different constraints in mind. ?One example might be the Whitehill 10-19mm adjustable groover you can find here for about US$300 plus shipping: ?
It’s available with a 30mm bore, in various groove cutting min/max widths:
Like a lot of other indexable groovers, this one is 160mm, sized so that it can project to maximum depth of cut (“Tmax”) through the window on a smaller shaper hood. ?When installed on on a K700, the maximum depth of cut will be limited. ?The K700 has a max depth of cut of 104mm with a 315mm blade, which would put a 160mm cutter at ~26mm above the top of the machine when fully elevated. ?That cutting depth may be further restricted by the Tmax dimension of the Whitehill grover (see photo above) which they don’t specify.
However, ?the real issue with these types of cutters is the thickness of the hub as shown below. ?This particular cutter appears to have a hub that is significantly thicker than the cutting blade itself:
The arbor length on the K700 saw is limited, and the Felder dado cutter is specifically designed with minimal thickness hubs so that even when fully spaced apart, the cutter still fits on the saw arbor with the end-cap engaged. ? The hub thickness of the Felder 12-20mm dado cutter is 15.4mm with no shims installed, so at it’s maximum groove cutting spec of 20mm, the hub thickness grows to 23.4mm. ?So before looking at other adjustable width groovers, consider the ~23.4mm hub thickness as the limit of what your saw arbor can tolerate. ?There ?may be other impingements with the sliding table or cast iron top depending on the hub configuration of the cutter you’re considering. ?See below:
Of course, Whitehill isn’t the only adjustable groover manufacturer. ? Rangate makes adjustable groovers in 160 and 225mm diameters, but the groove widths achievable with them aren’t ideal for use on dado cutting for conventional 3/4” or 18mm thick plywood. ?Amana makes adjustable groovers also, but the groove width range isn’t ideal. ?And of course, there is the hub thickness issue to figure out.
Hope this helps.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On May 20, 2023, at 2:19 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
A FOG member reached out with an offer to sell his 6.4mm-12mm dado and we’ve reached agreement on that. ?If anyone has a 12-20mm they’d like to sell, let me know.
I’ve been searching for adjustable grooving cutters for circular saws, but the only thing that I find is the Felder tool. ?Doesn’t anyone else make or sell it? ?It seems strange to me as I am under the impression that almost all (or is it all?) of Felder’s shaper cutters are made by others.
Mike On May 19, 2023, at 7:58 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Btw, if successful in identifying and procuring said adjustable groover for circular saws, a Forrest dado stack will be available…. 8”
Mike On May 19, 2023, at 7:56 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Primarily for cutting grooves (dados) in solid stock for furniture work. ?My spouse is looking for an anniversary present for me. ?The Forrest stack is ok, but the adjustability of the width of the groove is a pain in the ass. ?I have adjustable groovers for the shaper on CF741. ?I want to be able to set my dado up like David Best! ?Budget is less that 1.2k. ?I’d hoped to buy the groover that was listed above but no luck for a deal…
Mike On May 19, 2023, at 7:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Mike, Can you comment a bit on your budget for the groover and your intended ?application? ?That would help narrow the alternatives. David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On May 19, 2023, at 6:37 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone. ?I have a Forrest dado stack; what I want is an adjustable groover for the saw. ?Any options other than Felder?
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David,
Thanks for this excellent explanation. It is really helpful to understand the ? less obvious ? parameters at play when looking at tooling.?
Regards,
Jacques
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David, thank you so much!!! ?Your knowledge is so profound, it saves many of us tons of time and expense!
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On May 20, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Jacques Gagnon <jacques.gagnon309@...> wrote:
David,
Thanks for this excellent explanation. It is really helpful to understand the ? less obvious ? parameters at play when looking at tooling.?
Regards,
Jacques
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