Hi Karl,?

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I'm running a RL-160 and it's keeping up just fine with a 20" jointer/planer, 11hp shaper, sliding saw, 16" wide belt sander, etc.... I run 6" trunk lines with 5" drops and a few feet of 5" flex to each machine, in a ~700 sq-ft shop.?

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I haven't had any issues with filter clogging when running my wide belt sander, though I do clean the filters every 15 minutes or so.?

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Mine is the 4hp 3 phase configuration with the automated, pneumatic actuation on the filter cleaning mechanism.?

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The dual ~50 gallon bags are great, allowing me to spend more time working and less time monitoring/fussing with a 35 gallon or 50 gallon bin.?

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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

How do the Felder RL machines separate dust? Is there an internal cyclone, or do they just filter?

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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941

There is no cyclone. Key difference is the impeller is after filter plate therefore all parts with dirty air are under negative pressure. So even if there is small hole it should pull air in as oppose to push dirty air out.

Tom, Supposedly the new filter plates for plastic material (I believe, that is all Felder carries now) handle fine dust better. I kept my cyclone just for the baby WBS so no personal experience but I read from users like you that RLs with filter plates are dealing with fine dust just fine.

I should say that I ordered my machine with the anti-static filters that I think Mac is referencing.?

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John, as Mac suggests, there is no cyclone or pre-filtering. The big stuff falls into the bins, and the really fine stuff builds up on the filter pleats, then releases when the filter cleaning mechanism activates. After the cleaning cycle the pleats are pretty clean.?

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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

I used the description on felder site but they are also called antistatic.

BTW, this is Imran not Mac ?

Thanks all for the comments and suggestions, really only just rules out the Laguna at this stage.

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I think I'll give it a month to see if a used RL comes up, my salesman can work some magic in shipping, otherwise jump on the Gorilla Pro.

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-Karl

I thought I saw some used RLs. What size are you looking for?

My Oneida uses a solid drum, so I cannot see how full it gets. I gave a level indicator, which uses some sort of light in the drum lid to detect the top of the contents. The sensor does not work well when it is obscured by dust. Unfortunately dust is pretty common in a dust collector.

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Does the viewing window in the RL series work well, or does fine dust inside the bag obscure the window?

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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941

John,

A friend of mine uses Oneida Dust Sentry and says it works. I have not had the time to research, so have not ordered it yet. I can clearly see the chips through the RL125 window when I am close tbut not from my machine. I occasionally get it full and then have to clean the mess.

This was not an issue with my cyclone. I mounted it near 12’ ceiling and had a longish ( ~5’) 7” clear hose from cyclone to the 30 gal drum. I may have had chips in my filter 1 or 2 times over 19 yrs. That really worked well.

I installed the Oneida Dust Sentry on my cyclone setup and it stopped working after about a month.?? This is very common and many people have posted the fact that the Oneida dust level indicator promptly fails very quickly.

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I've frequently considered getting a Bindicator (below), but the cost is a significant investment for something like this (with so many other things on the list).

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-Aaron

Aaron, the problem with my sensor is the fine dust that adheres to the lens. After cleaning the lens with a soft brush my sensor worked again. Perhaps if I am fastidious about cleaning the sensor every time I empty the bin it will work more reliably.

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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941

Hi John,

John,

? I don't if this is a dumb idea because I'm not totally familiar with the Oneida system you have. I assume that the level sensor is on the upstream side of the fan and under negative pressure. What if you were to run a small tube (say 1/4" I.D.) through the lid of your dust collector and position the other end so that it would blow across the lens of the sensor. Since the tube inside the dust collector is under negative pressure and the other end is to atmosphere you will get a small volume of air that may be enough to keep the lens clean. I installed a Magnehelic to monitor static pressure inside my drum so I could tell when the filter needs cleaning and I found this fitting on Amazon

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Craig

I ran, I have the Dust Sentry. This is an infra-red sensor. It works, unless the lens is blocked.

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I just discovered (9 or 10 years after I installed it) that the sensor is mounted in a rubber grommet. Oneida suggests pulling it out and cleaning the lens periodically. A quick wipe over a shirt-tail is sufficient.

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Before I do anything drastic I will see if cleaning solves my issue.

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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941

Craig, the Oneida cyclone seems to be pretty sensitive to leaks in the drum. A little air across the lens may be helpful, and your concept seems pretty simple, but I am reluctant to add a hole.

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I do have a pressure meter to alert me to a clogged filter. The probe is in the plenum just upstream of the filter. It is really sensitive to the number of gates open.

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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941

Thanks for confirming. Next question, do you use a bag/liner in the collection drum? If so, how do you install the sensor?

With my "Oneida" bin sensor, it was not an issue of a clean lens.?? That was the first thing I tried, but it did not do anything.?? I think it comes down to the durability of the Oneida bin sensor product itself.?? I think the people who have made their own bin sensor from scratch may not have had the same problems.

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-Aaron

Waste disposal I posted earlier I thought a picture or two would help a great way to deal with these barrel dust collectors

First picture does collector not on

Second picture, dust collector on note how the plastic is sucked up against plastic tubes

Three sleeve pulled out of the plastic bag dirt sitting on the cart takes a little bit to set it all up, but it’s a slick operation no more dipping out with a tablespoon

Was cyclone originally had one barrel and modified and modified to stand for two and then set the whole operation up for using sleeves as you can see there’s windows also in it so in the first picture, you can see the right desk collector is dust collector barrel plum I can pull this out by myself and I’m no spring chicken Otherwise the system is pretty similar to whether people are using. It’s fly force dust vent cyclone and I set up a dust talk to function as my dust filter find dust filter and also give me three more horsepower so I have running a total of 8 hp handles my whole shop beautifully with no problems whatsoever the drawback of course for a lot would be that it’s 14 foot tall

The plastic sleeves need to be reinforced on the top in the bottom otherwise a dust collector just cave them in.

That’s all the time I got today for this monkeybusiness. Enjoy.

Mac,,,

I’ll cross my fingers and hope that regular cleaning works for me!

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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941