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They are both convection ovens. ?If you set 350 it will display 350.
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When we had a tech replacing a failed circuit board (two trips, one per oven) they tried to adjust the oven so the actual temp matched the set point. ? So I think with Dacor there is a problem and not an intentional reduction for convection. ?
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If you want power and control then induction is the way to go. We've used Bosch induction cooktops in our last 4 houses. They have all been fantastic without issue. I had a BlueStar range, which I did love, in a house a little over 15 years ago, and one evening we came home to the smell of propane. The regulator had leaked. Instead of repairing, I sold the range, built knew cabinets where the rage was and dropped in the induction top. We've loved it ever since.?
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As for our double ovens, we don't have gas at this house so it's all electric, we use Bosch Benchmark and the dishwasher is Bosch 800 series. We've used SubZero refrigerators in the last 4 houses too. We kind of stick with the brands that have treated us well.?
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We ended up going with Miele for everything. Oven plus a speed oven above. Induction range, built in coffee maker, dishwasher. I¡¯ve been super impressed with Miele and they even extended the manufacturer warranty to 5 years on all the appliances.?
After using the induction cooktop and being able to boil water in under a minute, I wouldn¡¯t go back to gas.?
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Is it a convection oven? Lots of them will (intentionally) make the inside temp 25f below what you set if you use convection. Because that is the "equivalent" non convection temperature.
I know my last one had a setting to make it stop trying to correct for me and just do what I asked it to.? No clue if dacors do that.?
I know, for example, the newer LG doesn't completely hide it, like my old GE. You say 350 and it changes, on the display, as soon as you hit set, to 325.? ?So at least it's obvious it's trying to be smarter than you.
-Eric On Wed, Jan 1, 2025, 11:11?AM Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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I had a Dacor standalone range.? The (gas) top was wonderful.? The oven always had issues, not just with maintaining temps but with the glass breaking twice--the replacement glass was still on backorder when I moved from that house.? I have never had that issue with any other manufacturer's products, not even the cheapest apartment rental ones.? Their customer service also sucked--I moved from an area with natural gas to one with propane, and it took a special dispensation from the Pope (and many months) for the adapters to be sent and installed.? This was just outside of Washington DC, not in some sort of "flyover territory".
I have a French door LG refrigerator which has been perfect, knock wood.? Friends with Samsung have been very unhappy with their longevity and need for repairs.?
Also a Bertazzoni speed oven (combination microwave and grill) which has a very cool looking badge and nothing else to recommend it.? It has never worked right from the day it was installed--I use a countertop Breville to do most of what it is supposed to do, and a cheap panasonic microwave in the next room to do the rest.? Both take up counter?space that wouldn't have been needed if the Bertazzoni actually worked.? It is almost sufficient for melting butter.? Sometimes.?
Fisher-Paykel drawer dishwasher, which, with just two of us and the ability to run one drawer at a time, I love.? In addition to Blue Star for ovens, I'd also take a look at American Range.? The appliance company with which I dealt (and which has provided absolutely NO aftermarket service) strongly recommended GE Monogram over Blue Star or American due to service considerations.? As I've gotten no service from GE either, I wish I'd gone with one of the other two.? No guarantee they'd have functioned any more reliably, but it is unlikely they'd have been less so.? The pull-out behind the ovens is both one of the most useful things in this kitchen, and a wonderful use of wasted space.? The cabinet over the ovens is like a vertical file system, partitioned for easy storage and access of baking pans, cookie sheets, etc.? Most of the upper cabinets have Aventos (Blum) hinges for complete access.? Most of the lower cabinets are drawers.? Jeff On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 12:08?PM Steven Lawrence via <steven.d.lawrence= [email protected]> wrote:
First post here. ? Been reading woodworking comments and learning for about a year. ? Thanks to all for sharing their experiences and wisdom.?
I can comment on Dacor.?
Range is great.? Wall ovens have been a huge mistake.? Circuit board on both ovens failed after warranty expired and was expensive to replace.? Ovens have never been accurate on temperature settings, run lower than setting.? Have an oven thermometer in each to get the real temp. ?
Based on my experience I would avoid entire Dacor line. ?
Last refrigerator purchased was an LG in French door style on sale at Home Depot.? That has been great. ?
Best Steve Lawrence On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 09:11 Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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We¡¯re also building our new house, we¡¯re going with mostly Miele, Thermador freedom induction cooktop since you can move the pot anywhere, pretty cool. ?Going to get Gaggenau fridge and freezer mostly due to looks, the interior is very nice with cast aluminum shelves, sold!! ?
Turns out Miele, Thermador and Gaggenau fridges are all basically identical, made in the same factory, the interior finish is the only distinguishable difference. ?Weird since Gaggenau is from Bosch, Thermador is a US company and Miele is German.?
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? I had a Dacor standalone range.? The (gas) top was wonderful.? The oven always had issues, not just with maintaining temps but with the glass breaking twice--the replacement glass was still on backorder when I moved from that house.? I have never had that issue with any other manufacturer's products, not even the cheapest apartment rental ones.? Their customer service also sucked--I moved from an area with natural gas to one with propane, and it took a special dispensation from the Pope (and many months) for the adapters to be sent and installed.? This was just outside of Washington DC, not in some sort of "flyover territory".
I have a French door LG refrigerator which has been perfect, knock wood.? Friends with Samsung have been very unhappy with their longevity and need for repairs.?
Also a Bertazzoni speed oven (combination microwave and grill) which has a very cool looking badge and nothing else to recommend it.? It has never worked right from the day it was installed--I use a countertop Breville to do most of what it is supposed to do, and a cheap panasonic microwave in the next room to do the rest.? Both take up counter?space that wouldn't have been needed if the Bertazzoni actually worked.? It is almost sufficient for melting butter.? Sometimes.?
Fisher-Paykel drawer dishwasher, which, with just two of us and the ability to run one drawer at a time, I love.? In addition to Blue Star for ovens, I'd also take a look at American Range.? The appliance company with which I dealt (and which has provided absolutely NO aftermarket service) strongly recommended GE Monogram over Blue Star or American due to service considerations.? As I've gotten no service from GE either, I wish I'd gone with one of the other two.? No guarantee they'd have functioned any more reliably, but it is unlikely they'd have been less so.? The pull-out behind the ovens is both one of the most useful things in this kitchen, and a wonderful use of wasted space.? The cabinet over the ovens is like a vertical file system, partitioned for easy storage and access of baking pans, cookie sheets, etc.? Most of the upper cabinets have Aventos (Blum) hinges for complete access.? Most of the lower cabinets are drawers.? Jeff On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 12:08?PM Steven Lawrence via <steven.d.lawrence= [email protected]> wrote: First post here. ? Been reading woodworking comments and learning for about a year. ? Thanks to all for sharing their experiences and wisdom.?
I can comment on Dacor.?
Range is great.? Wall ovens have been a huge mistake.? Circuit board on both ovens failed after warranty expired and was expensive to replace.? Ovens have never been accurate on temperature settings, run lower than setting.? Have an oven thermometer in each to get the real temp. ?
Based on my experience I would avoid entire Dacor line. ?
Last refrigerator purchased was an LG in French door style on sale at Home Depot.? That has been great. ?
Best Steve Lawrence On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 09:11 Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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I am an induction cooktop fan. I like to cook, and preferred gas until I experienced induction. That was before all of the publicity about air quality issues with gas appliances.
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My GE cooktop drops into a cutout in the countertop. The installation instructions recommend securing it with clips from under the counter. My first one was not secured that way, and the first time I had a major spill I found that I could reach under the cooktop with one hand to push it up while wiping up the spill with the other hand. That made cleanup really easy. Well, easier than trying to get gravy out of little crevices.
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Andy,
Same here, Miele has been great for us too!
Thx,
Wade
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? We ended up going with Miele for everything. Oven plus a speed oven above. Induction range, built in coffee maker, dishwasher. I¡¯ve been super impressed with Miele and they even extended the manufacturer warranty to 5 years on all the appliances.?
After using the induction cooktop and being able to boil water in under a minute, I wouldn¡¯t go back to gas.?
Andy? Is it a convection oven? Lots of them will (intentionally) make the inside temp 25f below what you set if you use convection. Because that is the "equivalent" non convection temperature.
I know my last one had a setting to make it stop trying to correct for me and just do what I asked it to.? No clue if dacors do that.?
I know, for example, the newer LG doesn't completely hide it, like my old GE. You say 350 and it changes, on the display, as soon as you hit set, to 325.? ?So at least it's obvious it's trying to be smarter than you.
-Eric On Wed, Jan 1, 2025, 11:11?AM Brandon Nickel via <brandon.nickel= [email protected]> wrote: We have a 48" Dacor gas/electric range and a 42" Dacor built-in refrigerator. The oven(s) frequently refuse to hold correct temperature, stubbornly maintaining exactly 20-30¡ã low. Though, sometimes being exactly right. The infuriating thing is that if you set it to 500¡ã+ to kick on the preheat, the temp reads exactly correctly as it starts to climb, so the thing knows what the current temperature is. Not a calibration issue.
We love the extra space on the six burner cooktop, which is why we choose Dacor over Thermador or others. Most 48" ranges have 8 "small" burners. But the oven issue is massively annoying and we fought it constantly. Not great for a $12k appliance?
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The fridge is made by Samsung and I've already had to put in a new compressor at 5 years which isn't great for a $10k fridge. My last Sears Kenmore was still going strong at 15 years. Other than that, we like it.?
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I suspect all the brands have their issues. I would look at warranty and service options more closely if I were starting over.?
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We changed to an induction top 6-7 years ago - it's great and I would not want to go back to gas, or to a ceramic electric hob. Although I love the function, there are two design points that I dislike: touch controls (any spill messes-up the controls, and it's too easy to accidentally turn something on by putting a metal object on the controls) and the glass top being fully surrounded by a raised bezel (makes it difficult to wipe off "bits"). If I was buying again I would look for something with physical controls and with a gap/chute in one corner of the bezel.
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I did not know that a metal object would trigger the controls until your post prompted me to try it.
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What brand of cooktop do you have? My GE is available without the metal bezel, which I agree is totally a nuisance. The controls are clustered near the front, so spills and an errant pot are not much of an issue.
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Forgot to mention our Samsung Bespoke series fridge. French doors over freezer drawer configuration. The front is all glass, and you can customize colors. We have 3 different color panels on ours. It's got a great door within a door beverage center which is super handy. So easy to clean the glass I would never go back to stainless.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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We were looking at Samsung refrigerators today and a couple came up to us and told us to stay away from them. Dave Davies
Forgot to mention our Samsung Bespoke series fridge. French doors over freezer drawer configuration. The front is all glass, and you can customize colors. We have 3 different color panels on ours. It's got a great door within a door beverage center which is super handy. So easy to clean the glass I would never go back to stainless.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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The single most important factor for me when choosing our refrigerator was that the door was NOT magnetic. No notes, lists, pictures, or grandkids artwork festooned on the ¡®fridge door.?
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Totally agree with their advice. Samsung has had numerous class action law suits over their refrigerators. ?I ended up bringing an action against them directly and got a hefty settlement, but what a huge hassle. ?Go to YouTube and search ¡°Samsung suit refrigerator¡±. ?? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Jan 1, 2025, at 3:40?PM, David Davies via groups.io <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
? We were looking at Samsung refrigerators today and a couple came up to us and told us to stay away from them. Dave Davies Forgot to mention our Samsung Bespoke series fridge. French doors over freezer drawer configuration. The front is all glass, and you can customize colors. We have 3 different color panels on ours. It's got a great door within a door beverage center which is super handy. So easy to clean the glass I would never go back to stainless.?
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Unfortunately, the refrigerator industry nowadays is pretty crappy.? It started about 15-18 years ago.? The manufacturers are now producing short-lifetime products.? The biggest problem is the computer boards are made using short-term or low temp electronics (the capacitors are the likeliest element to fail).? And once the computer controller board fails, it's at least an $800 purchase to fix it.? On $$$$ refrigerators, it could be a couple to several thousand dollars.? The dual-zone refrigerators are also poorly designed and have had problems (the ones with independent compressors/cooling for the frig and freezer sections).??
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Probably the most reliable refrigerators today are the GE type with single compressor and mechanical controls (no computer control systems).? Top-freezer units are the most reliable and side-by-side are generally okay.? The bottom freezer units typically have more problems.? I don't know about stuff like Viking and Subzero, so others need to comment on the reliability of these $$$$ units.
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By the way, I still have a 24 year old GE side-by-side refrigerator that I have had minor repairs done to over the years.? I will keep running it until I can't.? So far the compressor and refrigerant has not had any problems.
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Short list of appliances.? The Bosch dishwasher seems to have a few negative reviews for the door seal leaking so that choice is still to be finalized. Dave Davies | Double Wall Oven | Bluestar | BSDEWO30SDV3 | $10,696.00? | | Induction Cooktop | Thermador Freedom | CIT36YWB | $6,200.00? | | vent hood | Thermador Freedom | PH36GWS | $2,550.00? | | dishwasher | Bosch | SHX78CM5N | $1,300.00? | | refrigerator | LG 36" 30 cu ft Standard Depth MAX | LF30S8210S | $1,999.00? |
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Unfortunately, the refrigerator industry nowadays is pretty crappy.? It started about 15-18 years ago.? The manufacturers are now producing short-lifetime products.? The biggest problem is the computer boards are made using short-term or low temp electronics (the capacitors are the likeliest element to fail).? And once the computer controller board fails, it's at least an $800 purchase to fix it.? On $$$$ refrigerators, it could be a couple to several thousand dollars.? The dual-zone refrigerators are also poorly designed and have had problems (the ones with independent compressors/cooling for the frig and freezer sections).??
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Probably the most reliable refrigerators today are the GE type with single compressor and mechanical controls (no computer control systems).? Top-freezer units are the most reliable and side-by-side are generally okay.? The bottom freezer units typically have more problems.? I don't know about stuff like Viking and Subzero, so others need to comment on the reliability of these $$$$ units.
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By the way, I still have a 24 year old GE side-by-side refrigerator that I have had minor repairs done to over the years.? I will keep running it until I can't.? So far the compressor and refrigerant has not had any problems.
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-Aaron Inami
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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We have been using a Bosch dishwasher for 10 years, and have been very happy with it. SHX68T56UC/02 is the model, and it says it is 44dBA sound level. We bought it as the quietest dishwasher we could find. If/when I need another it will be Bosch.
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It is very quiet! The controls are concealed, and the only way to know it is running is the little red spot projected on the floor. I don¡¯t know how many times I have opened it while running because I could not hear it over other sounds and did not look for the light. It does not leak when opened while running, so that is good.
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Your suggested model says 42 dBA, which should be lower sound level.
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In my remodel consulting business I only spec¡¯d. Bosch and Miele dishwashers depending on budget. ?The Miele is much better engineered, more reliable, and easier to install, but the mid-range models are almost 2X the cost of a Bosch. ?I¡¯ve also had Miele in all my personal homes (5 different homes since 1985) and never needed a service call on any of them. ?My current Miele DW is 12 years old now and still looks/operates like new. ? There IS a reason they cost more. ?You didn¡¯t indicate which bower unit for the hood. ?If you can use a remote blower, I think you¡¯ll be happier with less noise.
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On Jan 1, 2025, at 6:49?PM, David Davies via groups.io <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
Short list of appliances.? The Bosch dishwasher seems to have a few negative reviews for the door seal leaking so that choice is still to be finalized. Dave Davies | Double Wall Oven | Bluestar | BSDEWO30SDV3 | $10,696.00? | | Induction Cooktop | Thermador Freedom | CIT36YWB | $6,200.00? | | vent hood | Thermador Freedom | PH36GWS | $2,550.00? | | dishwasher | Bosch | SHX78CM5N | $1,300.00? | | refrigerator | LG 36" 30 cu ft Standard Depth MAX | LF30S8210S | $1,999.00? |
? Unfortunately, the refrigerator industry nowadays is pretty crappy.? It started about 15-18 years ago.? The manufacturers are now producing short-lifetime products.? The biggest problem is the computer boards are made using short-term or low temp electronics (the capacitors are the likeliest element to fail).? And once the computer controller board fails, it's at least an $800 purchase to fix it.? On $$$$ refrigerators, it could be a couple to several thousand dollars.? The dual-zone refrigerators are also poorly designed and have had problems (the ones with independent compressors/cooling for the frig and freezer sections).??
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Probably the most reliable refrigerators today are the GE type with single compressor and mechanical controls (no computer control systems).? Top-freezer units are the most reliable and side-by-side are generally okay.? The bottom freezer units typically have more problems.? I don't know about stuff like Viking and Subzero, so others need to comment on the reliability of these $$$$ units.
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By the way, I still have a 24 year old GE side-by-side refrigerator that I have had minor repairs done to over the years.? I will keep running it until I can't.? So far the compressor and refrigerant has not had any problems.
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-Aaron Inami
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Mostly because I didn't realize the hood didn't include the blower.
Dave Davies
On Wed, Jan 1, 2025, 9:40 PM David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: In my remodel consulting business I only spec¡¯d. Bosch and Miele dishwashers depending on budget.? The Miele is much better engineered, more reliable, and easier to install, but the mid-range models are almost 2X the cost of a Bosch.? I¡¯ve also had Miele in all my personal homes (5 different homes since 1985) and never needed a service call on any of them.? My current Miele DW is 12 years old now and still looks/operates like new. ? There IS a reason they cost more.? You didn¡¯t indicate which bower unit for the hood.? If you can use a remote blower, I think you¡¯ll be happier with less noise.
On Jan 1, 2025, at 6:49?PM, David Davies via <myfinishingtouch= [email protected]> wrote:
Short list of appliances.? The Bosch dishwasher seems to have a few negative reviews for the door seal leaking so that choice is still to be finalized. Dave Davies | Double Wall Oven | Bluestar | BSDEWO30SDV3 | $10,696.00? | | Induction Cooktop | Thermador Freedom | CIT36YWB | $6,200.00? | | vent hood | Thermador Freedom | PH36GWS | $2,550.00? | | dishwasher | Bosch | SHX78CM5N | $1,300.00? | | refrigerator | LG 36" 30 cu ft Standard Depth MAX | LF30S8210S | $1,999.00? |
? Unfortunately, the refrigerator industry nowadays is pretty crappy.? It started about 15-18 years ago.? The manufacturers are now producing short-lifetime products.? The biggest problem is the computer boards are made using short-term or low temp electronics (the capacitors are the likeliest element to fail).? And once the computer controller board fails, it's at least an $800 purchase to fix it.? On $$$$ refrigerators, it could be a couple to several thousand dollars.? The dual-zone refrigerators are also poorly designed and have had problems (the ones with independent compressors/cooling for the frig and freezer sections).??
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Probably the most reliable refrigerators today are the GE type with single compressor and mechanical controls (no computer control systems).? Top-freezer units are the most reliable and side-by-side are generally okay.? The bottom freezer units typically have more problems.? I don't know about stuff like Viking and Subzero, so others need to comment on the reliability of these $$$$ units.
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By the way, I still have a 24 year old GE side-by-side refrigerator that I have had minor repairs done to over the years.? I will keep running it until I can't.? So far the compressor and refrigerant has not had any problems.
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-Aaron Inami
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I bought the cheapest Miele dishwasher available 2 years ago (I think it was just over $1k) and just had my first issue with it. There is a leak in one of the seals on the pump motor housing, which is dripping water into the bottom tray and causing the float switch to activate and stop operation.
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The repair tech has been waiting for a little over a full month now for the replacement parts to come in from overseas, so that has been a bummer.
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He did mention a few positive points about Miele though from his experience as a repair tech: The tray that is catching the leak covers the entire bottom of the unit, whereas others do not. Also it only takes 4 screws to take off the bottom panel and have full access to everything, where most other brands require taking off side panels and more.
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Other than the long wait for replacement parts, the dishwasher has been the best I've owned so far. It runs really quiet, cleans and dries better than cheaper brands I've had before. I would buy it again.
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Liebherr refrigerators have been pretty good for us the last 15 years or so. ?Like most refrigerators, the ice makers tend to cause problems.. ?In our large kitchen/living room it is quiet compared to other brands we have used. ?
Ten years ago, we put one in my 98 year old mum¡¯s condo and she still loves it¡
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