Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
What David Best said!!! Ha! ?
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RLHorst or Pro (327.66mm),
Wind is a scientific phenomenon - there is no reason to bring religion into this. ??
David Best, A.R.B.V. ? ?? ? :-)
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:21 PM, RLHorst <RLHorst@...> wrote:
? Mr. Malik,
Doesn¡¯t change the tax on trees by King George and that acts God were the only tax loop hole. ? By the way you can have all the fruit that falls of the trees!!! ?
Pro (12.9 inch)
On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Mr. Horst,
I see following definition:
¡°First used in the fifteenth century, the word?windfalloriginally
referred to fruit that the wind blew from the trees. Like a prize was there for whomever found it ¡ª no need for the ladder and effort of picking it from the tall trees. The word eventually came to mean any unexpected and easily-gained good fortune, typically
one involving money, such as the windfall profit from a lucky stock purchase.¡±
On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:29 PM, RLHorst <RLHorst@...> wrote:
? You are also miss using the term ¡°wind fall profit¡±. ? Before we were independent country and still colony of England. ?All the large trees were the property of the King George III the king of England. ?If you wanted to cut down a tree you
had to pay a tax!!!! ?But there was a storm and act of God and it knock a tree you could keep it for use without paying the tax. Wala!!! ?A ¡°wind fall profit!!!! ? So it¡¯s an anti government and anti tax sentiment from the origins of our country!!! ?Don¡¯t
Tread on Me!!!!?
Pro (12.9 inch)
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
I had great experience with LM. They replaced our home¡¯s roof w/o us even asking. Was a true $25K windfall as we fully expected to replace it in few yrs.
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:19 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
?
When you buy insurance, you are buying an agent as well.? The agent needs to have a reputation with the
company such he can help you when needed and you have to be willing to pay for? both.? Liberty Mutual is much better at advertising than paying off.? Dave
Commodity carriers such as State Farm, Geico, Progressive, are pretty rigid and formula driven. ?Not surprising that they are unprepared to issue a rider that would cover things like machinery transport. ?The higher-end
carriers like Chubb, Ace, Travelers are more expensive for sure, but they are accustomed to such requests, and offer broader coverages in general when faced with some kind of catastrophic loss. ?I have several friends who suffered major losses in the fires
in California, and the difference in settlement times and payout litigation among various carriers has been eye opening. ?IMO, a reputable independent agent is invaluable in navigating carrier choice and opening your eyes to the cost/benefit tradeoffs. ?Just
my two cents - no affiliation. ?
As for rigging costs, they generally work on a fixed rate for X number of men, a truck and a forklift, with a minimum number of hours. ?My Kappa 400 xMotion arrived on an 8x8 foot pallet, and could not be delivered by the local carriers. ?This was all
a surprize at the time since Felder had shipped it specifying ¡°lift gate¡± delivery. ?I had no choice but to hire a rigging company to pick up the machine at the local freight terminal, deliver it to my home, transport it into my basement and take away all
the shipping debris. ?That was in 2016 and the cost was about $1,800. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:38 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ?
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not
have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage
from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination
but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
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Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
RLHorst or Pro (327.66mm),
Wind is a scientific phenomenon - there is no reason to bring religion into this. ?? David Best, A.R.B.V. ? ?? ? :-)
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On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:21 PM, RLHorst <RLHorst@...> wrote:
?
Mr. Malik,
Doesn¡¯t change the tax on trees by King George and that acts God were the only tax loop hole. ? By the way you can have all the fruit that falls of the trees!!! ?
Pro (12.9 inch)
On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Mr. Horst,
I see following definition:
¡°First used in the fifteenth century, the word?windfalloriginally
referred to fruit that the wind blew from the trees. Like a prize was there for whomever found it ¡ª no need for the ladder and effort of picking it from the tall trees. The word eventually came to mean any unexpected and easily-gained good fortune, typically
one involving money, such as the windfall profit from a lucky stock purchase.¡±
On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:29 PM, RLHorst <RLHorst@...> wrote:
? You are also miss using the term ¡°wind fall profit¡±. ? Before we were independent country and still colony of England. ?All the large trees were the property of the King George III the king of England. ?If you wanted to cut down a tree you
had to pay a tax!!!! ?But there was a storm and act of God and it knock a tree you could keep it for use without paying the tax. Wala!!! ?A ¡°wind fall profit!!!! ? So it¡¯s an anti government and anti tax sentiment from the origins of our country!!! ?Don¡¯t
Tread on Me!!!!?
Pro (12.9 inch)
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
I had great experience with LM. They replaced our home¡¯s roof w/o us even asking. Was a true $25K windfall as we fully expected to replace it in few yrs.
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:19 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
?
When you buy insurance, you are buying an agent as well.? The agent needs to have a reputation
with the company such he can help you when needed and you have to be willing to pay for? both.? Liberty Mutual is much better at advertising than paying off.? Dave
Commodity carriers such as State Farm, Geico, Progressive, are pretty rigid and formula driven. ?Not surprising that they are unprepared to issue a rider that would cover things like machinery transport. ?The higher-end
carriers like Chubb, Ace, Travelers are more expensive for sure, but they are accustomed to such requests, and offer broader coverages in general when faced with some kind of catastrophic loss. ?I have several friends who suffered major losses in the fires
in California, and the difference in settlement times and payout litigation among various carriers has been eye opening. ?IMO, a reputable independent agent is invaluable in navigating carrier choice and opening your eyes to the cost/benefit tradeoffs. ?Just
my two cents - no affiliation. ?
As for rigging costs, they generally work on a fixed rate for X number of men, a truck and a forklift, with a minimum number of hours. ?My Kappa 400 xMotion arrived on an 8x8 foot pallet, and could not be delivered by the local carriers. ?This was all
a surprize at the time since Felder had shipped it specifying ¡°lift gate¡± delivery. ?I had no choice but to hire a rigging company to pick up the machine at the local freight terminal, deliver it to my home, transport it into my basement and take away all
the shipping debris. ?That was in 2016 and the cost was about $1,800. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:38 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ?
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not
have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage
from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination
but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
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Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
RLHorst:
If you don¡¯t mind, please sign your posts so we know who is posting, unless your name is ¡°Pro (12.9 inch)¡± ¡ ?
Also, I believe Imran was merely pointing out a definition he relied on, while you accused him of misusing (note the spelling ?) the term altogether.?
I assume this is all meant in jest?
Warm regards,
Lucky (but you may address me as Dr Luckensmeyer) ROFLMAO
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Mr. Malik,
Doesn¡¯t change the tax on trees by King George and that acts God were the only tax loop hole. ? By the way you can have all the fruit that falls of the trees!!! ?
Pro (12.9 inch)
On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Mr. Horst,
I see following definition:
¡°First used in the fifteenth century, the word?windfalloriginally
referred to fruit that the wind blew from the trees. Like a prize was there for whomever found it ¡ª no need for the ladder and effort of picking it from the tall trees. The word eventually came to mean any unexpected and easily-gained good fortune, typically
one involving money, such as the windfall profit from a lucky stock purchase.¡±
On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:29 PM, RLHorst <RLHorst@...> wrote:
? You are also miss using the term ¡°wind fall profit¡±. ? Before we were independent country and still colony of England. ?All the large trees were the property of the King George III the king of England. ?If you wanted to cut down a tree you
had to pay a tax!!!! ?But there was a storm and act of God and it knock a tree you could keep it for use without paying the tax. Wala!!! ?A ¡°wind fall profit!!!! ? So it¡¯s an anti government and anti tax sentiment from the origins of our country!!! ?Don¡¯t
Tread on Me!!!!?
Pro (12.9 inch)
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
I had great experience with LM. They replaced our home¡¯s roof w/o us even asking. Was a true $25K windfall as we fully expected to replace it in few yrs.
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:19 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
?
When you buy insurance, you are buying an agent as well.? The agent needs to have a reputation with the company
such he can help you when needed and you have to be willing to pay for? both.? Liberty Mutual is much better at advertising than paying off.? Dave
Commodity carriers such as State Farm, Geico, Progressive, are pretty rigid and formula driven. ?Not surprising that they are unprepared to issue a rider that would cover things like machinery transport. ?The higher-end
carriers like Chubb, Ace, Travelers are more expensive for sure, but they are accustomed to such requests, and offer broader coverages in general when faced with some kind of catastrophic loss. ?I have several friends who suffered major losses in the fires
in California, and the difference in settlement times and payout litigation among various carriers has been eye opening. ?IMO, a reputable independent agent is invaluable in navigating carrier choice and opening your eyes to the cost/benefit tradeoffs. ?Just
my two cents - no affiliation. ?
As for rigging costs, they generally work on a fixed rate for X number of men, a truck and a forklift, with a minimum number of hours. ?My Kappa 400 xMotion arrived on an 8x8 foot pallet, and could not be delivered by the local carriers. ?This was all
a surprize at the time since Felder had shipped it specifying ¡°lift gate¡± delivery. ?I had no choice but to hire a rigging company to pick up the machine at the local freight terminal, deliver it to my home, transport it into my basement and take away all
the shipping debris. ?That was in 2016 and the cost was about $1,800. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:38 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ?
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not
have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage
from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination
but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
|
Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
Mr. Malik,
Doesn¡¯t change the tax on trees by King George and that acts God were the only tax loop hole. ? By the way you can have all the fruit that falls of the trees!!! ?
Pro (12.9 inch)
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Show quoted text
On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?
Mr. Horst,
I see following definition:
¡°First used in the fifteenth century, the word?windfalloriginally
referred to fruit that the wind blew from the trees. Like a prize was there for whomever found it ¡ª no need for the ladder and effort of picking it from the tall trees. The word eventually came to mean any unexpected and easily-gained good fortune, typically
one involving money, such as the windfall profit from a lucky stock purchase.¡±
On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:29 PM, RLHorst <RLHorst@...> wrote:
? You are also miss using the term ¡°wind fall profit¡±. ? Before we were independent country and still colony of England. ?All the large trees were the property of the King George III the king of England. ?If you wanted to cut down a tree you
had to pay a tax!!!! ?But there was a storm and act of God and it knock a tree you could keep it for use without paying the tax. Wala!!! ?A ¡°wind fall profit!!!! ? So it¡¯s an anti government and anti tax sentiment from the origins of our country!!! ?Don¡¯t
Tread on Me!!!!?
Pro (12.9 inch)
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
I had great experience with LM. They replaced our home¡¯s roof w/o us even asking. Was a true $25K windfall as we fully expected to replace it in few yrs.
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:19 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
?
When you buy insurance, you are buying an agent as well.? The agent needs to have a reputation
with the company such he can help you when needed and you have to be willing to pay for? both.? Liberty Mutual is much better at advertising than paying off.? Dave
Commodity carriers such as State Farm, Geico, Progressive, are pretty rigid and formula driven. ?Not surprising that they are unprepared to issue a rider that would cover things like machinery transport. ?The higher-end
carriers like Chubb, Ace, Travelers are more expensive for sure, but they are accustomed to such requests, and offer broader coverages in general when faced with some kind of catastrophic loss. ?I have several friends who suffered major losses in the fires
in California, and the difference in settlement times and payout litigation among various carriers has been eye opening. ?IMO, a reputable independent agent is invaluable in navigating carrier choice and opening your eyes to the cost/benefit tradeoffs. ?Just
my two cents - no affiliation. ?
As for rigging costs, they generally work on a fixed rate for X number of men, a truck and a forklift, with a minimum number of hours. ?My Kappa 400 xMotion arrived on an 8x8 foot pallet, and could not be delivered by the local carriers. ?This was all
a surprize at the time since Felder had shipped it specifying ¡°lift gate¡± delivery. ?I had no choice but to hire a rigging company to pick up the machine at the local freight terminal, deliver it to my home, transport it into my basement and take away all
the shipping debris. ?That was in 2016 and the cost was about $1,800. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:38 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ?
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not
have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage
from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination
but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
|
Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
Mr. Horst,
I see following definition: ¡°First used in the fifteenth century, the word?windfalloriginally referred to fruit that the wind blew from the trees. Like a prize was there for whomever found it ¡ª no need for the ladder and effort of picking it from the tall trees. The word eventually came to mean any unexpected and easily-gained good fortune, typically one involving money, such as the windfall profit from a lucky stock purchase.¡±
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:29 PM, RLHorst <RLHorst@...> wrote: ?
You are also miss using the term ¡°wind fall profit¡±. ? Before we were independent country and still colony of England. ?All the large trees were the property of the King George III the king of England. ?If you wanted to cut down a tree you had to pay a tax!!!!
?But there was a storm and act of God and it knock a tree you could keep it for use without paying the tax. Wala!!! ?A ¡°wind fall profit!!!! ? So it¡¯s an anti government and anti tax sentiment from the origins of our country!!! ?Don¡¯t Tread on Me!!!!?
Pro (12.9 inch)
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
I had great experience with LM. They replaced our home¡¯s roof w/o us even asking. Was a true $25K windfall as we fully expected to replace it in few yrs.
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:19 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
?
When you buy insurance, you are buying an agent as well.? The agent needs to have a reputation
with the company such he can help you when needed and you have to be willing to pay for? both.? Liberty Mutual is much better at advertising than paying off.? Dave
Commodity carriers such as State Farm, Geico, Progressive, are pretty rigid and formula driven. ?Not surprising that they are unprepared to issue a rider that would cover things like machinery transport. ?The higher-end
carriers like Chubb, Ace, Travelers are more expensive for sure, but they are accustomed to such requests, and offer broader coverages in general when faced with some kind of catastrophic loss. ?I have several friends who suffered major losses in the fires
in California, and the difference in settlement times and payout litigation among various carriers has been eye opening. ?IMO, a reputable independent agent is invaluable in navigating carrier choice and opening your eyes to the cost/benefit tradeoffs. ?Just
my two cents - no affiliation. ?
As for rigging costs, they generally work on a fixed rate for X number of men, a truck and a forklift, with a minimum number of hours. ?My Kappa 400 xMotion arrived on an 8x8 foot pallet, and could not be delivered by the local carriers. ?This was all
a surprize at the time since Felder had shipped it specifying ¡°lift gate¡± delivery. ?I had no choice but to hire a rigging company to pick up the machine at the local freight terminal, deliver it to my home, transport it into my basement and take away all
the shipping debris. ?That was in 2016 and the cost was about $1,800. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:38 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ?
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not
have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage
from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination
but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
|
Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
You are also miss using the term ¡°wind fall profit¡±. ? Before we were independent country and still colony of England. ?All the large trees were the property of the King George III the king of England. ?If you wanted to cut down a tree you had to pay a tax!!!!
?But there was a storm and act of God and it knock a tree you could keep it for use without paying the tax. Wala!!! ?A ¡°wind fall profit!!!! ? So it¡¯s an anti government and anti tax sentiment from the origins of our country!!! ?Don¡¯t Tread on Me!!!!?
Pro (12.9 inch)
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:58 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
I had great experience with LM. They replaced our home¡¯s roof w/o us even asking. Was a true $25K windfall as we fully expected to replace it in few yrs.
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:19 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
?
When you buy insurance, you are buying an agent as well.? The agent needs to have a reputation
with the company such he can help you when needed and you have to be willing to pay for? both.? Liberty Mutual is much better at advertising than paying off.? Dave
Commodity carriers such as State Farm, Geico, Progressive, are pretty rigid and formula driven. ?Not surprising that they are unprepared to issue a rider that would cover things like machinery transport. ?The higher-end
carriers like Chubb, Ace, Travelers are more expensive for sure, but they are accustomed to such requests, and offer broader coverages in general when faced with some kind of catastrophic loss. ?I have several friends who suffered major losses in the fires
in California, and the difference in settlement times and payout litigation among various carriers has been eye opening. ?IMO, a reputable independent agent is invaluable in navigating carrier choice and opening your eyes to the cost/benefit tradeoffs. ?Just
my two cents - no affiliation. ?
As for rigging costs, they generally work on a fixed rate for X number of men, a truck and a forklift, with a minimum number of hours. ?My Kappa 400 xMotion arrived on an 8x8 foot pallet, and could not be delivered by the local carriers. ?This was all
a surprize at the time since Felder had shipped it specifying ¡°lift gate¡± delivery. ?I had no choice but to hire a rigging company to pick up the machine at the local freight terminal, deliver it to my home, transport it into my basement and take away all
the shipping debris. ?That was in 2016 and the cost was about $1,800. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:38 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ?
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not
have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage
from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination
but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
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Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
Does anyone actually use FakeBook?!? ? I don¡¯t and won¡¯t!!!
Pro (12.9 inch)
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On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:38 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ?
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not
have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage
from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination
but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
|
Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
David,
I had great experience with LM. They replaced our home¡¯s roof w/o us even asking. Was a true $25K windfall as we fully expected to replace it in few yrs.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Dec 9, 2022, at 5:19 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote: ?
When you buy insurance, you are buying an agent as well.? The agent needs to have a reputation
with the company such he can help you when needed and you have to be willing to pay for? both.? Liberty Mutual is much better at advertising than paying off.? Dave
Commodity carriers such as State Farm, Geico, Progressive, are pretty rigid and formula driven. ?Not surprising that they are unprepared to issue a rider that would cover things like machinery transport. ?The higher-end
carriers like Chubb, Ace, Travelers are more expensive for sure, but they are accustomed to such requests, and offer broader coverages in general when faced with some kind of catastrophic loss. ?I have several friends who suffered major losses in the fires
in California, and the difference in settlement times and payout litigation among various carriers has been eye opening. ?IMO, a reputable independent agent is invaluable in navigating carrier choice and opening your eyes to the cost/benefit tradeoffs. ?Just
my two cents - no affiliation. ?
As for rigging costs, they generally work on a fixed rate for X number of men, a truck and a forklift, with a minimum number of hours. ?My Kappa 400 xMotion arrived on an 8x8 foot pallet, and could not be delivered by the local carriers. ?This was all
a surprize at the time since Felder had shipped it specifying ¡°lift gate¡± delivery. ?I had no choice but to hire a rigging company to pick up the machine at the local freight terminal, deliver it to my home, transport it into my basement and take away all
the shipping debris. ?That was in 2016 and the cost was about $1,800. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:38 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ?
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not
have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage
from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination
but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
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Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
I think the Felder rep was trying to give me the cheapest way to transport this.? If my insurance company provided coverage, then I would definitely just do the drop-deck trailer scenario. ------
Sounds like a plan...
?
Why didn't Felder come up with this?
?
Take Care.
Mike D.
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Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
Sounds like a plan...
Why didn't Felder come up with this?
Take Care.
Mike D.
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 05:37:54 PM EST, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
I actually just got off the phone with a rigging company that, coincidentally, is just across the street from the Felder warehouse.? They quoted me $1200-1500 to transport this K700S down and then lift it off the truck with a forklift and move into the edge of my garage (1 hour drive each direction).? I checked with my Felder rep and he gave very positive feedback for this rigging company.? They are very familiar with Felder and have done a lot of equipment transport for them over the years.? Even though it hurts, I think I will use them to make sure the machine transport is done safely and insured.
-- Mike D. Annapolis, MD AD951; K700S; N4400
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Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
I actually just got off the phone with a rigging company that, coincidentally, is just across the street from the Felder warehouse.? They quoted me $1200-1500 to transport this K700S down and then lift it off the truck with a forklift and move into the edge of my garage (1 hour drive each direction).? I checked with my Felder rep and he gave very positive feedback for this rigging company.? They are very familiar with Felder and have done a lot of equipment transport for them over the years.? Even though it hurts, I think I will use them to make sure the machine transport is done safely and insured.
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Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
When you buy insurance, you are buying an agent as well.? The agent needs to have a reputation
with the company such he can help you when needed and you have to be willing to pay for? both.? Liberty Mutual is much better at advertising than paying off.? Dave
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Commodity carriers such as State Farm, Geico, Progressive, are pretty rigid and formula driven. ?Not surprising that they are unprepared to issue a rider that would cover things like machinery transport. ?The higher-end
carriers like Chubb, Ace, Travelers are more expensive for sure, but they are accustomed to such requests, and offer broader coverages in general when faced with some kind of catastrophic loss. ?I have several friends who suffered major losses in the fires
in California, and the difference in settlement times and payout litigation among various carriers has been eye opening. ?IMO, a reputable independent agent is invaluable in navigating carrier choice and opening your eyes to the cost/benefit tradeoffs. ?Just
my two cents - no affiliation. ?
As for rigging costs, they generally work on a fixed rate for X number of men, a truck and a forklift, with a minimum number of hours. ?My Kappa 400 xMotion arrived on an 8x8 foot pallet, and could not be delivered by the local carriers. ?This was all
a surprize at the time since Felder had shipped it specifying ¡°lift gate¡± delivery. ?I had no choice but to hire a rigging company to pick up the machine at the local freight terminal, deliver it to my home, transport it into my basement and take away all
the shipping debris. ?That was in 2016 and the cost was about $1,800. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:38 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ?
On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not
have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage
from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination
but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
David, ? It is definitely on my short list...probably from an auction.? But I don't see a dumpster in my future that the bin can be emptied into. Dave Davies
Dave,
I¡¯ll be surprised if, considering all your equipment for your new shop in Arkansas, you don¡¯t end up with some form of forklift. ?
and a forklift to empty?that bin into a dumpster Dave Davies On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 1:08 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
That is a good deal if you have the amps and the need.? Dave
I spoke with Preston Machinery and they provided a good price on the Nederman out of the gate. Here is a very good deal on Nederman 10hp unit with the dust bin that alone costs $4k and they are asking $4k for the whole unit. No affiliation to the seller. <nederman.png>
Jay Bowen
Cleveland
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
Dave,
I¡¯ll be surprised if, considering all your equipment for your new shop in Arkansas, you don¡¯t end up with some form of forklift. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Dec 9, 2022, at 11:09 AM, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
and a forklift to empty?that bin into a dumpster Dave Davies On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 1:08 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
That is a good deal if you have the amps and the need.? Dave
I spoke with Preston Machinery and they provided a good price on the Nederman out of the gate. Here is a very good deal on Nederman 10hp unit with the dust bin that alone costs $4k and they are asking $4k for the whole unit. No affiliation to the seller. <nederman.png>
Jay Bowen
Cleveland
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Suggested video - Thos. Moser of Maine
RE the role of CNC in ¡°crafted¡± furniture, IMHO it¡¯s just
another tool ¨C sensors and microprocessors added to power to enable newer
levels of results. My first project, in 1974, was a Queen-sized oak bed made
with interlocking slats, all hand- sawn and hand- planed. That much hand- planning
from rough wood forced me to hone my sharpening skills, as it were, but I will gladly
never do so much hand work again.
Totally agree. ?CNC is just another tool. ?I don¡¯t understand the pushback that employing a CNC router in a few aspects of the joint and profile fabrication somehow disqualifies the end product from embodying superior craftsmanship, and even heirloom status. ?Boggles the mind.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Re: Felder Delivery, Finally
Commodity carriers such as State Farm, Geico, Progressive, are pretty rigid and formula driven. ?Not surprising that they are unprepared to issue a rider that would cover things like machinery transport. ?The higher-end carriers like Chubb, Ace, Travelers are more expensive for sure, but they are accustomed to such requests, and offer broader coverages in general when faced with some kind of catastrophic loss. ?I have several friends who suffered major losses in the fires in California, and the difference in settlement times and payout litigation among various carriers has been eye opening. ?IMO, a reputable independent agent is invaluable in navigating carrier choice and opening your eyes to the cost/benefit tradeoffs. ?Just my two cents - no affiliation. ?
As for rigging costs, they generally work on a fixed rate for X number of men, a truck and a forklift, with a minimum number of hours. ?My Kappa 400 xMotion arrived on an 8x8 foot pallet, and could not be delivered by the local carriers. ?This was all a surprize at the time since Felder had shipped it specifying ¡°lift gate¡± delivery. ?I had no choice but to hire a rigging company to pick up the machine at the local freight terminal, deliver it to my home, transport it into my basement and take away all the shipping debris. ?That was in 2016 and the cost was about $1,800. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:38 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Aaron,
That is a shame. Both of my examples were from the time we were with Liberty Mutual. LB almost doubled our homeowners so we switched to State Farm last year ? On Dec 9, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote: ?I have talked in depth with my own insurance company (State Farm) as well as my friend's insurance company.? The problem here is that the incident would be described as a "covered peril" during a moving vehicle incident.? State Farm does not have any coverage for this under my current policy.? Unfortunately, they do not have any type of additional insurance offering for this type of coverage that I could buy.? If a vehicle crashes into us and it is not a "hit-and-run", then I could pursue coverage from the other driver as a liability.? However, if I/we crash into something or if the machinery shifts and damage occurs from this, then there is no coverage.? If something happens during transit, I'm basically flushing $16k down the toilet.
I spoke briefly with Felder and they only offer truck freight, but it means I need a forklift at my destination to lift it off the truck.? They won't do lift-gate for this item because it's too big/heavy.? A rigging company may have a flatbed/fork combination but it's likely going to be around $2,000 (that was what I was told by Felder).
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Re: Need advice re door construction
Thanks so much for all the pictures. Those are really helpful. We have a few inches of snow here today so I¡¯m spending the day experimenting. I think you¡¯ve all saved me from making a big error.
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If you want to go triple use aluminium clad, two on the timber one on the aluminium.? With 3 seals. I've had clients in flood areas, outside water rose up 300mm on the? doors, and nothing came in. Kindest regards?
Jonathan Samways?
?
Makes perfect sense, you charge more for a triple ? ?Sorry to confuse its a double that I¡¯ve always called a triple I¡¯m bad!? Designing and building for 50 years ?Bird, I¡¯m confused also. In my mind I was thinking triple but when I see a picture I believe it would be considered double?
This is a sample we made for a Alpine attendee last year. He wanted to build a 4¡± thick front door. We made these mock-ups using 92mm thick scantlings. The one on the right was made to use a Tectus type hinge but also what the meeting stiles might look like. We did this using the Multiuse cutter with a 4mm groover for the gasket. It was easy with only two passages on the shaper. To avoid buying dedicated tools.
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
I get it that many may have a forklift...but a dumpster? Dave Davies
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 1:12 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I have three.? I'm compensating.? Dave
and a forklift to empty?that bin into a dumpster
Dave Davies
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 1:08 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
That is a good deal if you have the amps and the need.? Dave
I spoke with Preston Machinery and they provided a good price on the Nederman out of the gate. Here is a very good deal on Nederman 10hp unit with the dust bin that alone costs $4k and they are asking $4k for the whole unit. No affiliation to the seller.
Jay Bowen
Cleveland
--
Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
I have three.? I'm compensating.? Dave
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and a forklift to empty?that bin into a dumpster
Dave Davies
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 1:08 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
That is a good deal if you have the amps and the need.? Dave
I spoke with Preston Machinery and they provided a good price on the Nederman out of the gate. Here is a very good deal on Nederman 10hp unit with the dust bin that alone costs $4k and they are asking $4k for the whole unit. No affiliation to the seller.
Jay Bowen
Cleveland
--
Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
and a forklift to empty?that bin into a dumpster Dave Davies
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 1:08 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
That is a good deal if you have the amps and the need.? Dave
I spoke with Preston Machinery and they provided a good price on the Nederman out of the gate. Here is a very good deal on Nederman 10hp unit with the dust bin that alone costs $4k and they are asking $4k for the whole unit. No affiliation to the seller. 
Jay Bowen
Cleveland
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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