Re: PCS technology on low end slider
I don't see it on the US website. It is listed on K945, as well as kappa 450.?
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 14:51, paul bender via groups.io < bendermanufacturing@...> wrote:
The felder web page shows their k740s with it, and other computerized options.
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Re: Jointer Infeed table going out of alignment on AD941
Darrell,
My first suspicion would be that the table latching mechanism came loose or was not fully secured. ?Check the latching Kipp levers to make sure the tables are pulled down tight against the temple bolts and are securely locked. ?Feel free to email me to diagnose further. ?
David Best - via mobile phone? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On May 27, 2025, at 3:45?PM, DARRELL MILLER via groups.io <dmiller823a@...> wrote:
? Hi FOG members!
I purchased and setup a new AD941 (jointer/planer) combo back in early 2024. ?I used the Survival guide and other materials from David Best and his guidance to accomplish this and I was quite satisfied with the results. However, twice since then I've found the infeed table has come out of alignment. Both times the end of the infeed table (furtherest from the cutter block) has drooped down by ~ 0.032". This seems to happen overnight, since the day prior it produce good results. Have any other owners of the AD941 experienced this phenomenon? If so do you know what would be causing this? Any suggestions on where to look for the issue would be helpful.
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Best regards,
Darrell Miller
Chico, Tx
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Re: Jointer Infeed table going out of alignment on AD941
? Nelson,
You can find my Felder-related resources on my?, in my?, on my?, and in the message archives and file sections of? this FOG. ??
David Best www.davidpbest.com
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On May 27, 2025, at 5:17?PM, jiojio_nc via groups.io <jiojio_nc@...> wrote:
? Hi Darrell:
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I just got my AD941 last week, going through the setup myself.? So far, it seems to going fine.? A technician will be coming in 2 days to setup the K700 I also got and paid for an install, I will be asking for some pointers on the AD941 setup.? However, can you please post a link for "Survival guide and other materials from David Best "?? I would like to review it as well.
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Nelson
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Re: Jointer Infeed table going out of alignment on AD941
Nelson, You will need to contact David Best for those documents. David is a FOG member. Per the agreement I’m not able to forward them. Good luck?
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On May 27, 2025, at 7:17?PM, jiojio_nc via groups.io <jiojio_nc@...> wrote:
? Hi Darrell:
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I just got my AD941 last week, going through the setup myself.? So far, it seems to going fine.? A technician will be coming in 2 days to setup the K700 I also got and paid for an install, I will be asking for some pointers on the AD941 setup.? However, can you please post a link for "Survival guide and other materials from David Best "?? I would like to review it as well.
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Thanks,
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Nelson
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Re: Jointer Infeed table going out of alignment on AD941
Hi Darrell:
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I just got my AD941 last week, going through the setup myself.? So far, it seems to going fine.? A technician will be coming in 2 days to setup the K700 I also got and paid for an install, I will be asking for some pointers on the AD941 setup.? However, can you please post a link for "Survival guide and other materials from David Best "?? I would like to review it as well.
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Thanks,
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Nelson
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Re: Jointer Infeed table going out of alignment on AD941
My bad. I was thinking about the planer thicknesser part.
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On May 27, 2025, at 18:40, Cornelius via groups.io <Cornelius@...> wrote:
? Hi Darrell,
Mine is the AD741 (but I assume they are very similar) and I experience differences of at least the same amount whenever I am not careful how I clamp down the table each time I convert from thickness planing to jointing.??
My tables had such a bad twist in them when I received the unit that I needed to rely on the twisting it into shape (coplanar and flat) by raising the pins they rest on and forcing a "counter" twist with the locking handles. This in turn will result in having to apply the exact same locking pressure every time the tables are closed. A few degrees of extra turn on the handles will alter the way the infeed relates to the outfeed. It is extremely frustrating and makes me contemplate buying dedicated machines every time I switch.
Not sure if this is why you are having difficulties, but I would try playing with the locking pressure.??
With kind regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft Cyprus?
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Re: Jointer Infeed table going out of alignment on AD941
Hi Darrell,
Mine is the AD741 (but I assume they are very similar) and I experience differences of at least the same amount whenever I am not careful how I clamp down the table each time I convert from thickness planing to jointing.??
My tables had such a bad twist in them when I received the unit that I needed to rely on the twisting it into shape (coplanar and flat) by raising the pins they rest on and forcing a "counter" twist with the locking handles. This in turn will result in having to apply the exact same locking pressure every time the tables are closed. A few degrees of extra turn on the handles will alter the way the infeed relates to the outfeed. It is extremely frustrating and makes me contemplate buying dedicated machines every time I switch.
Not sure if this is why you are having difficulties, but I would try playing with the locking pressure.??
With kind regards,
Cornelius Schultze-Kraft Cyprus?
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Re: Jointer Infeed table going out of alignment on AD941
Bill,
Just imagine cutting a board going uphill and then see-saw dropping on the outfeed. It is not good. Since the tables are generally and reasonably flat any portion of infeed or outfeed not being coplaner can affect the cut.
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On May 27, 2025, at 6:51?PM, Bill Belanger via groups.io <bllblngr@...> wrote: ? Hi Darrell, I’m trying to understand how the far end of the indeed table affects the cut? If your cut is bad I think I’d look elsewhere? Bill Belanger On May 27, 2025, at 17:45, DARRELL MILLER via groups.io <dmiller823a@...> wrote:
Hi FOG members!
I purchased and setup a new AD941 (jointer/planer) combo back in early 2024. ?I used the Survival guide and other materials from David Best and his guidance to accomplish this and I was quite satisfied with the results. However, twice since then I've found the infeed table has come out of alignment. Both times the end of the infeed table (furtherest from the cutter block) has drooped down by ~ 0.032". This seems to happen overnight, since the day prior it produce good results. Have any other owners of the AD941 experienced this phenomenon? If so do you know what would be causing this? Any suggestions on where to look for the issue would be helpful.
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Best regards,
Darrell Miller
Chico, Tx
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Re: Jointer Infeed table going out of alignment on AD941
Hi Darrell, I’m trying to understand how the far end of the indeed table affects the cut? If your cut is bad I think I’d look elsewhere? Bill Belanger
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On May 27, 2025, at 17:45, DARRELL MILLER via groups.io <dmiller823a@...> wrote:
Hi FOG members!
I purchased and setup a new AD941 (jointer/planer) combo back in early 2024. ?I used the Survival guide and other materials from David Best and his guidance to accomplish this and I was quite satisfied with the results. However, twice since then I've found the infeed table has come out of alignment. Both times the end of the infeed table (furtherest from the cutter block) has drooped down by ~ 0.032". This seems to happen overnight, since the day prior it produce good results. Have any other owners of the AD941 experienced this phenomenon? If so do you know what would be causing this? Any suggestions on where to look for the issue would be helpful.
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Best regards,
Darrell Miller
Chico, Tx
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Jointer Infeed table going out of alignment on AD941
Hi FOG members!
I purchased and setup a new AD941 (jointer/planer) combo back in early 2024. ?I used the Survival guide and other materials from David Best and his guidance to accomplish this and I was quite satisfied with the results. However, twice since then I've found the infeed table has come out of alignment. Both times the end of the infeed table (furtherest from the cutter block) has drooped down by ~ 0.032". This seems to happen overnight, since the day prior it produce good results. Have any other owners of the AD941 experienced this phenomenon? If so do you know what would be causing this? Any suggestions on where to look for the issue would be helpful.
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Best regards,
Darrell Miller
Chico, Tx
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Re: PCS technology on low end slider
The felder web page shows their k740s with it, and other computerized options.
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Since a few people requested a follow-up, I am going to update to this thread. Do let me know if I am abusing the forum...
As I mentioned previously, I notified Felder of the damage on the day of delivery, which happened to be Friday. I started the squeaky wheel routine on Tuesday, which resulted in an email from my sales rep saying "it's too early" and two voicemails from a service clerk, one amounting to "no update" and another to "we're working on it".
By the following Friday, my patience was shot and I emailed the CEO expressing my concern and disappointment. Cue the long weekend.
Next working day (today), I received a call and an email from Delaware. They used an email address I only used with the CEO, so the cause/effect relationship is clear.?
This was the first time I received an apology and an admission of fault on Felder's side. They committed to replacing the table and having the saw calibrated. Later same day, I had a technician stop by my garage and evaluate the remaining damage. According to him, the fence will need to be replaced as well.
I still have not seen the full plan to make it right, but, at least, things started moving.
On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 14:59, Rohit Kulshreshtha via groups.io < rohit.in.pune@...> wrote:
Ditto. I’m very curious to know how they’re handling it.
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Re: PCS technology on low end slider
I've been waiting for the PCS to make its way downstream since it was first announced. Of course, right once I said "to hell with it" and took the plunge, this happens. Sorry everyone, should have bought my saw years ago and saved everyone the wait!
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 13:53, netanel.belgazal via groups.io < netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
I just saw some clips from Linga ?trade show.
it looks like Felder were able to fit the PCS technology to their smaller saws (K700), look nice for people who looks for that technology but don’t have the budget/space to get the bigger saws?
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Mr Belgazal, can you pls send me an email do talk about the modified TNut effort you are leading? ? Thanks Eduardo
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On May 27, 2025, at 3:53?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
? I just saw some clips from Linga ?trade show.
it looks like Felder were able to fit the PCS technology to their smaller saws (K700), look nice for people who looks for that technology but don’t have the budget/space to get the bigger saws?
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PCS technology on low end slider
I just saw some clips from Linga ?trade show.
it looks like Felder were able to fit the PCS technology to their smaller saws (K700), look nice for people who looks for that technology but don’t have the budget/space to get the bigger saws?
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Natanel,
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Thanks for starting this thread as it seems to be of interest to many of us. ?Hope you don't mind me asking a few questions here about the subject.
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Has anyone used the ShopFox flavor of these sanders? ? There is one available locally and I am wondering if it looks to be from the same family. ?If anyone could explain the adjustable platen feature and how it works, I would love to learn about it. ? ?
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Re: Need Short crosscut bar and extras for K500
Bryan,
Have a look at this series of videos and photos. ?It will answer all your questions about the 1100mm short crosscut fence, how it mounts to the slider, and the issues with it. ?
David Best - via mobile phone?
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On May 27, 2025, at 11:18?AM, imran via groups.io <imranwoodshop@...> wrote:
? Bryan,
David Best came up with the T-nut solution. It is much more involved than a fancy T-nut. The T-nut besides having the setscrews (to make it co planer with slider surface), also has a precision bore. The fence securing block has a precision bushing that mates with the T-nut bore thus improving repeatability. David made these a few times and I got mine from him.
Now netanel belgazal is leading the build working with a local (to him) machine shop.
On May 27, 2025, at 12:57?PM, Bryan Crum via groups.io <bryancrum11@...> wrote:
? Thanks, I'll do that.? I appreciate all the input.?? Is the upgraded?T nut situation worked out enough to order from somebody, or is this still a work in?progress? On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 8:16?AM paul bender via <bendermanufacturing= [email protected]> wrote: Bryan,
The 1100 mm and the T nut from Felder is where I would start. The T nut on my shaper and saw have excellent repeatable, and once set to 90 degrees there are no issues. The other advantage of the 1100 mm fence is the availability of a telescopic extension, this extends is to approximately 2000 mm or 78". I agree with Imran about keeping yor original fence uncut. Cut it twice and it's still too short!?
Paul?
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Re: Need Short crosscut bar and extras for K500
Bryan,
David Best came up with the T-nut solution. It is much more involved than a fancy T-nut. The T-nut besides having the setscrews (to make it co planer with slider surface), also has a precision bore. The fence securing block has a precision bushing that mates with the T-nut bore thus improving repeatability. David made these a few times and I got mine from him.
Now netanel belgazal is leading the build working with a local (to him) machine shop.
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On May 27, 2025, at 12:57?PM, Bryan Crum via groups.io <bryancrum11@...> wrote: ? Thanks, I'll do that.? I appreciate all the input.?? Is the upgraded?T nut situation worked out enough to order from somebody, or is this still a work in?progress? On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 8:16?AM paul bender via <bendermanufacturing= [email protected]> wrote: Bryan,
The 1100 mm and the T nut from Felder is where I would start. The T nut on my shaper and saw have excellent repeatable, and once set to 90 degrees there are no issues. The other advantage of the 1100 mm fence is the availability of a telescopic extension, this extends is to approximately 2000 mm or 78". I agree with Imran about keeping yor original fence uncut. Cut it twice and it's still too short!?
Paul?
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Thanks David. ?Yes by standard I meant not an open sided design. ?Sounds like useable for rough work but the ROS still needed for refinement. ?In a previous shop I owned a Speedsander and was not pleased with the quality of result. ?Definitely a step down from Timesavers normal…the made in China quality issues so prevalent these days. ?The Northstate seems pretty solid over the years for you. ?Terry
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On May 26, 2025, at 8:59 PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
Terry,
I assume by “standard unit” you mean something wider than this machine. ?
As for sanding material wider than 16”, taking one pass, then reversing the material for a second pass on the opposite side, I consider this machine ok for rough work, but lacking for finishing. ?Using a 180 grit belt on material less than 16” wide I can go directly to finishing. ?Generally speaking, I would never be able to do that on wider material taking two passes in opposite directions and would spend meaningful time with a ROS cleaning up the overlapping areas. ?At 100 grit, and assuming you have the machine dialed in properly, you should be fine. ?For this to work well, it is important to get the infeed and outfeed rollers adjusted properly and to know how to properly set the platen (if you use it). ?I would not consider this machine an ideal WB if you are processing material over 16” wide on a regular basis. ?If you are looking for a compact entry-level machine with wider capacity, you might look into this Timesaver Speedsander 37” unit: ?
Hope this helps. On May 26, 2025, at 3:08?PM, Terence via groups.io <terencewoolston@...> wrote:
Hi David:
I am in need of a wide bely but space militates against a standard unit. ?The Northstate seems a good value. ?
When you double pass a wide component …what is your experience with perfornance , flatness etc??
Terry On May 24, 2025, at 6:10 PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
I bought the NorthState 1632 over 20 years ago, and at the time arranged for FOG members to buy it at a discount from?Leneave Supply in Charlotte. ?It’s been an excellent addition to my shop and very reliable. ?Greg (owner) at Leneave Supply has been very supportive, supplied 3rd party feed belt replacements that unlike the Powermatic replacements can be installed without any disassembly of the machine. ?There was one instance where I thought I needed a part that?Leneave Supply did not stock, and they arranged for it to be drop shipped to me from the Powermatic warehouse in Tennessee. ?Turned out I did not need the part. ?I can’t say enough good things about the support I have received from Greg. ?To me, the service from?Leneave Supply would be a reason to buy the NorthState instead of the Powermatic version.
The NorthState is identical to the Powermatic except for the paint, and is made on the same production line. ?The version I have is the 3-phase 7.5HP machine with the fine pitch control on the ?table height elevation mast. ?It does require a compressed air supply, and all of the actuators for belt tracking, belt tensioning, etc are pneumatic, and just last month one of the polyurethane air lines fractured due to age, and I when through the entire system replacing all the air tubing with new polyurethane just a precaution against future failures. ?This aspect of the machine is user serviceable and straight forward. ?
The electronics are very simple and employ industry standard switches. ?I use the platen for finish sanding work, and recommend you buy a spare yard of graphite impregnated cloth to replace the platen surface that presses against the inside of the sanding belt when it’s engaged - Greg at?Leneave can supply that fabric with your order.
Over the years, I have needed to adjust the the infeed and outfeed pressure rollers as the feed belt wore down and snipe crept in. ?When I installed the new feed belt last year, that brought the thickness of the belt back up to the OEM size which necessitated adjusting the pressure rollers again. ? Other than replacing the platen fabric, adjusting the feed rollers, the machine has performed well for 20 years of service, and only last year did I need to replace the feed belt and fix the air hose (which I bought from McMaster). ?I have added a DRO to the table height which I have not found particularly useful other than making gross adjustments of extreme distances. ?I judge the material removal rate by observing the Amp meter on the face of the machine when hogging off material.
Hope this helps.
On May 24, 2025, at 1:22?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:
Thanks, ? Imran - no need to test the startup current. If the 30A breaker doesn’t trips - that’s answer my question. ? John - unfortunately there aren’t too many options with small foot print WSB. ? The ?European manufacturer (SCM/Felder) starts at 37”, with close end models. There are some 24” from Laguna, but it is close end.?I think the open end sander is more useful because i can sand up to 32” and it takes less floor space. ? For the 16” models it is either NS/Powermatic or Grizzly that has a slightly different model.
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