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Re: Felder K 700 S considering
The base price for the K940S on Felder¡¯s site is $16,490.? Figure about $3500 for the dado cutters and rotary phase converter.? This leaves about $7,010 for the cost of added options.
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We know that he has these added options:
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- Electrical tilt of saw blade
- LED-display for angle and height
- Easy-lock ¨C tool free quick change system on main saw blade
- Cutting width 49¡± (expanded table on rip side)
- Automatic rip fence for 49-1/2¡±, control panel positioned under sliding table
- On and off switch on sliding table (about $1100 option)
- DRO digital cross cut flip-stop (about $1200 option and requires the Format4 crosscut fence)
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He may have these two options as well (you should ask him):
- Scoring unit 1.1 kW (1.5HP)
- Electrical height adjustment of scoring blade with automatic rise/fall
- Scoring unit status light
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I can definitely see all these options adding up to $7k.? He may have gotten a discount from his sales rep when he purchased the saw (Felder typically has a summer sale and a winter/christmas sale when they do allow sales rep discounts).? Ultimately, it¡¯s up to you.? One potential issue is that his pictures show a bunch of debris/gunk on the surfaces of the machine.? I don¡¯t know if this is free-flowing sawdust or some gunk/stain that got stuck onto the metal.? I don¡¯t know why people just can¡¯t clean up their tools when they take ¡°for sale¡± pics.? I would imagine you would want the best presentation when trying to sell your tool.
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The fact that it¡¯s been up on the site for something like half a year could be a symptom as well.? If you were really interested, I would go visit the saw and see how well it works/performs.? If you go test it, I would ask him to install a set of dado cutters to make sure.? Some Felder saws may not have been manufactured as "prepped for dado".
The K940S averages 1950 lbs, which is more robust than the K700S at 1628 lbs.
-Aaron
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Re: Felder K 700 S considering
Just sayin...? Imran found this....university owned...
PK
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Re: CMT Orange 8" Locked Dado Pro Blade Set
The new CMT dado set (imperial version) is on sale in Canada too.
Metric is so much better and simple. Looking at the Imperial shim-spacing guide gives me a headache. James
The 30mm version even comes with a metric version of the shim-spacing guide.? Such joy. ??Hallelujah.
Imran,
This one is for a 30mm arbor, it is the European version.
The sale price in the USA is $120, a terrific deal for this new design dado.
James Looks like sale is universal not as good as $120 though. <image0.jpeg>
?James,
I found this couple of yrs ago at Scott and Seargent when I was selling my CMT dado. My version (run of the mill dado) had been discontinued and replaced with this version. I don¡¯t recall a price of $120 though. That is quite a deal.
The CMT dado I had, worked well and left a flat bottom but I could see few lines left by the individual blades. However, I could not feel any ridges. I posted some pics here.
Imran Malik ? I got the product email from Taylor Toolswork at 1PM today, but did not check it until now.?
Looks like it is a great alternative to get the dado capability on the slider. Basically, it can cut dado between 6mm to 20mm. It covers the range of Felder two dado cutters. It is only $120, already sold out.
Of course, you need to have the 30 mm arbor and 2 pin holes bored.
James
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Re: Felder K 700 S considering
Hi Jake,
If it is the one on Felder used site, it has a 9¡¯ slider.?If one cuts sheet goods, in order to have space for clamps, most here will recommend a 10¡¯ slider. This one?has been for sale for may be 6 months now, so there may be room for negotiation.
It is hard to put a value on these machines. Before buying each of my used Felder machines, I got a quote from Felder of the same model with same configuration. This allowed me to decide whether I want new or used. If the seller is providing correct price ($27K invested) then he is selling for 60% of the new. If the machine checks out, that is definitely a reasonable price assuming you value the installed options. Considering new one is likely much more.
If I was interested in this machine I would call Felder to find out if they will continue to support the inverter and the control panel for rip fence in future. I used to be more concerned with Felder installed inverters but I recently helped a member replace his and I personally am not as concerned with future support even though Felder could not get this machine going after trying 2 new inverters.
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On Feb 3, 2024, at 9:24?PM, Jake Corrado <jcorrado72@...> wrote: ? So after all of the wonderful advice and information from all of you who responded, I have a question on a used one. ?It is more than what I was looking for but¡..it is a6 year old K 940 S. ? spoke to the original owner and he is selling due to lack of use and wants to buy a cnc. ?I come with an inverter, brand new Felder dado blades, electronic everything. ? He even sent me a video of it. ? It is $16,000 cash. ?It is also 7 hrs (one way) from me. ??
Is this worth it??
Again¡..thank you for ALL of your help and advice!!
Jake On 03 Feb 2024, at 8:26?PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?Woodweb usually has a bunch, but mostly they are 3-phase:
-Aaron
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?Patrick,
I cannot really see the details in the pic but if it has pneumatics on each end then it is likely a ¡°beam clamp¡±, cannot recall the actual name, it¡¯s been several years. I have seen them on saw sliders but not on shapers. Recently Lucas Pe made one and shared, I think he is a member here as well.
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On Feb 3, 2024, at 8:07?PM, Patrick Kane <
pwk5017@...> wrote:
?I know this isn¡¯t a Felder question, but I¡¯m curious about this accessory and a lot of these guys know Martin kit well too. What is this thing I circled below? Is it just for jointing veneer, or is this useful for flattening sheets for full rip cuts? Do they still sell something similar today? It has air connections on either end and spans the whole length of the sliding table.?
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Re: Felder K 700 S considering
So after all of the wonderful advice and information from all of you who responded, I have a question on a used one. ?It is more than what I was looking for but¡..it is a6 year old K 940 S. ? spoke to the original owner and he is selling due to lack of use and wants to buy a cnc. ?I come with an inverter, brand new Felder dado blades, electronic everything. ? He even sent me a video of it. ? It is $16,000 cash. ?It is also 7 hrs (one way) from me. ??
Is this worth it??
Again¡..thank you for ALL of your help and advice!!
Jake
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On 03 Feb 2024, at 8:26?PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?Woodweb usually has a bunch, but mostly they are 3-phase:
-Aaron
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?Patrick,
I cannot really see the details in the pic but if it has pneumatics on each end then it is likely a ¡°beam clamp¡±, cannot recall the actual name, it¡¯s been several years. I have seen them on saw sliders but not on shapers. Recently Lucas Pe made one and shared, I think he is a member here as well.
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On Feb 3, 2024, at 8:07?PM, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote:
?I know this isn¡¯t a Felder question, but I¡¯m curious about this accessory and a lot of these guys know Martin kit well too. What is this thing I circled below? Is it just for jointing veneer, or is this useful for flattening sheets for full rip cuts? Do they still sell something similar today? It has air connections on either end and spans the whole length of the sliding table.?
Re: Felder K 700 S considering
Woodweb usually has a bunch, but mostly they are 3-phase:
-Aaron
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I know this isn¡¯t a Felder question, but I¡¯m curious about this accessory and a lot of these guys know Martin kit well too. What is this thing I circled below? Is it just for jointing veneer, or is this useful for flattening sheets for full rip cuts? Do they still sell something similar today? It has air connections on either end and spans the whole length of the sliding table.?
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Re: Felder K 700 S considering
Jake,
You may wish, if you have not already done so, to look at the used equipment portion of the Felder USA e-shop web site.
Regards,
Jacques
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Re: CMT Orange 8" Locked Dado Pro Blade Set
The 30mm version even comes with a metric version of the shim-spacing guide. ?Such joy. ??Hallelujah.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Feb 3, 2024, at 6:02?AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Imran,
This one is for a 30mm arbor, it is the European version.
The sale price in the USA is $120, a terrific deal for this new design dado.
James Looks like sale is universal not as good as $120 though. <image0.jpeg>
?James,
I found this couple of yrs ago at Scott and Seargent when I was selling my CMT dado. My version (run of the mill dado) had been discontinued and replaced with this version. I don¡¯t recall a price of $120 though. That is quite a deal.
The CMT dado I had, worked well and left a flat bottom but I could see few lines left by the individual blades. However, I could not feel any ridges. I posted some pics here.
Imran Malik ? I got the product email from Taylor Toolswork at 1PM today, but did not check it until now.?
Looks like it is a great alternative to get the dado capability on the slider. Basically, it can cut dado between 6mm to 20mm. It covers the range of Felder two dado cutters. It is only $120, already sold out.
Of course, you need to have the 30 mm arbor and 2 pin holes bored.
James
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Re: CMT Orange 8" Locked Dado Pro Blade Set
I bought a 30mm CMT Dado set, set it up on a Bridgeport using a close fitting arbour and drilled both holes. The result even though we took as much cares as possible was terrible with the bottom of the dado being hills and valleys. I took it to my saw sharpener and he set it up again, ground down the blade & chipper diameter, resharpened the blades and chippers and it is now cuts with a perfectly flat bottom.?
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Re: CMT Orange 8" Locked Dado Pro Blade Set
If the machine doesn¡¯t have the dado option, which was pretty rare prior to the X-roll, then it¡¯s not going to work.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Feb 3, 2024, at 2:38?PM, Jack via groups.io <hollisin@...> wrote:
Does anyone know if this will fit a pre-Xroll KF700?
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Re: CMT Orange 8" Locked Dado Pro Blade Set
Does anyone know if this will fit a pre-Xroll KF700?
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Re: Felder K 700 S considering
What are some better sites to look for used Felders?
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
I would second Bob¡¯s advice about considering a used saw. I don¡¯t want to offend anyone but what I¡¯ve seen is that there are quite a few hobbyist woodworkers who buy after retirement and then 10 - 20 years down the road find they aren¡¯t spending as much time in the shop and sell lightly used, beloved and well-cared for equipment.
That said, I did not follow my own advice and bought new : )?
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Why not go with a used saw? I stepped up from an Oliver 270 to an older k700s and after a couple of years with it I now know if I bought a new saw what I'd really value. Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I¡¯ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I¡¯ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ? I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.? Thank you in advance.?
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Re: Felder K 700 S considering
American rotary ? Definitely recommend. I use in my lab 5 hp unit ADX 10 hp generator.
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:44?PM, sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:
? J,
If this helps in your decision making process, I just installed a? 7.5 HP Rotary Phase Converter - GP7PL Single Phase to Three Phase Converterfrom Phoenix? Phase converters.? ?I did the install myself and had an electrician review my work.? Installation is not difficult especially?if you have space in your breaker panel to run the new circuit.
Best of Luck Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066 Many many thanks to all of the reply¡¯s. ? This helped me a ton.? I understand why this group is sought after for information and is a terrific resource.? Again, thank you as you have welcomed me and offered a lot of great advice. ?
To address some of the questions¡..
I looked into getting 3 phase in my shop and yes¡.it was thousands and THOUSANDS of dollars.? I am going to go with single phase. ??
I also agree¡.i am doing this as a hobby and a $28,000 Altendorf would be amazing but not what I need ? ?
I did look into the 5 used machines but we¡¯re located in Vegas, California, Florida. ?
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Re: 40 mm rebate spindle cutter flush mount - Australia
Yes, good point Greg.? Those little 40mm "three hole" knives are mass produced, economy grade knives made from poor quality steel and the grinding is hit or miss.? They are ok, but Whitehill uses industry standard HSS with runs in the thousands of linear feet.
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Re: Interesting Feeder for Smaller Saws and Router Table
Hi Bram, I have a Hammer B3 with an HC 308 feeder which is similar to the C3.
The feeder you provided a link too has a couple of show stoppers in my opinion
1) it uses an electromagnet to clamp it to the table, that means you wouldn¡¯t be able to use it with the shaper, as it would have to mount on the sliding table.
2) the shaper often requires the feeder to be tilted on the side so it can push against the fence, I don¡¯t see how the other feeder could do that
3) feeders like the HC 32 can exert significant pressure on the workpiece to control the work with the shaper, even during synchronized (climb) cutting operations
Regards, Rod
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Re: CMT Orange 8" Locked Dado Pro Blade Set
Imran,
This one is for a 30mm arbor, it is the European version.
The sale price in the USA is $120, a terrific deal for this new design dado.
James
Looks like sale is universal not as good as $120 though.
?James,
I found this couple of yrs ago at Scott and Seargent when I was selling my CMT dado. My version (run of the mill dado) had been discontinued and replaced with this version. I don¡¯t recall a price of $120 though. That is quite a deal.
The CMT dado I had, worked well and left a flat bottom but I could see few lines left by the individual blades. However, I could not feel any ridges. I posted some pics here.
Imran Malik ? I got the product email from Taylor Toolswork at 1PM today, but did not check it until now.?
Looks like it is a great alternative to get the dado capability on the slider. Basically, it can cut dado between 6mm to 20mm. It covers the range of Felder two dado cutters. It is only $120, already sold out.
Of course, you need to have the 30 mm arbor and 2 pin holes bored.
James
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