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Re: Version 2.0 Fritz & Franz jig
Nothing will come close to what David has, but if someone wants to equip their F&F with a cheap DRO (not very elegant solution, but one that doesn¡¯t require fine machining skills David has); here is my version.?
It is actually pretty accurate, to within 0.1mm ?
The stops are fine, so far no flexing, but it could be even better if they had micro adjustments.?
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Re: F 250 mortising bit recommendation
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI would not call birdsmouth very slow. I was satisfied with my first door that I did with it. I can share pics and video of both bits cutting and the resulting mortices.Imran Malik On Dec 6, 2024, at 6:45?AM, chris connolly via groups.io <connollyack@...> wrote:
?Thanks for that Imran. ?Do you find the birdsmouth bits to be very slow cutting?? Chris?
On Dec 5, 2024, at 12:36?PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Re: Forklift / Riggers in the Seattle area
I haven't really moved it since it got it in place. The casters I ?got have a big rubber foot that comes out and locks it in place. It gives my the ability to move it a little but here and there. I don't have any space to store a pallet jack so it is what it is. I'll rent one if I needed to do a lot of movement with it.?
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Re: Forklift / Riggers in the Seattle area
That's what I used but the one that I had was still too tall for my drill and the clearance I had with the narrow pallet jack. I had to run to Lowe's before they closed and bought an Irwin 1/4" quick change one and used that with a? right angle DeWalt adapter I had to get it to fit. Complete pita but one and done at least! |
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Re: Taller resaw fence for Felder FB610
Presumably you've seen Derek Cohen's fence addition.
http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/ResawingOnTheBandsaw.html
Shouldn't have issues with a short extrusion really, its done to keep the stock from pushing away from the fence.
Provided the wheels are aligned, tires are in good shape, and table and/or fence is setup well obviously.
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To my eyes the tires on the Felder saws look to be very flat, which is problematic and will cause drift issues too,
due to the lack of beam strength from the blade, but that should be pretty evident, as thrust guide rubbing is something to note.
Anyway...
Since the topic suggests one is planning to make use of the extra height of the Felder saw,
it might be worth looking into jigs for keeping the stock against the fence, or whether or not an add on or indeed the extrusion itself might be sufficient
Here's two interesting solutions which just might put that to the test.
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John TenEyck/Lanciani's pressure board design might be of interest.
Or indeed Steven Woodward's creation
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Perhaps that might be of interest
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Re: F 250 mortising bit recommendation
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Chris,I have used this 3/4¡± bit on WRC with good results on my FD250. Cuts one direction only but faster than my Felder birdsmouth. I explored bits with Greg at Rangate but ended up trying this and so far so good. Being carbide, I assume it would be good on hardwood as well but have not tried yet. Imran Malik On Dec 5, 2024, at 11:46?AM, chris connolly via groups.io <connollyack@...> wrote:
? Hi, I've been searching old threads for bit recommendations with limited success. I'm ?looking for a bit to cut 5/16 or 3/8 x ?2-2.5'' deep mortises in hardwood. My F 250 is single speed. I've had decent results with 2 flute up and down shear mortising ?bits, not so great results with a 4 flute square end mill and have yet to try a bird's mouth bit. I'm ordering some ?birds mouth bits from rangate ?but wondering if anyone has other bits they like for fast and clean cutting (not necessarily only in these smaller diameter sizes). Thanks for any recommendations. - Chris?
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Re: Felder FD250
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Tom,I can confirm that you can add?chisel mortising and dowel boring because I did that on my 2nd hand FD250. It is 2011, 2.2KW, 3Ph single speed machine so not sure if things have changed over the years. Surprisingly, I received a set of pictures from the Felder technician (not official Felder documentation) that made the install easy. It had been a few yrs now but don¡¯t recall any issues. Imran Malik On Dec 5, 2024, at 9:15?AM, Tom Gensmer via groups.io <tom@...> wrote:
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Yes, the mechanical DRO I mentioned is the counter for the system hand wheel. Once I got it calibrated it's been very precise.?
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For single phase, yes there is a variable speed option. I try to go three phase whenever possible, and am skeptical about variable speed anything, but yes there is definitely an option.?
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As David Best points out, the MultiRouter is a great machine for furniture work, but you're limited to smaller pieces (the motor is fixed, table moves), and you're limited to 1/2" and smaller shank tooling, whereas the FD-250 (and other horizontal mortisers) will accept up to 20mm diameter shanks.?
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As Joe points out, the Rangate dowel bits are awesome. Carbide-tipped and oversized by 0.1mm, they are a perfect complement to their Rot-Resist dowels. Now that I've calibrated the 16mm dowel boring template to the cast iron table, it's a pretty simple task to use the cast iron block and the dowel bar to bore properly indexed dowel holes, so assembly is a breeze.?
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It's important to note that the "chisel mortising" and "dowel boring" options are ostensibly "Factory-only" options. I've been told that you can order the parts after the fact, but I wouldn't want to spend the time trying to retrofit them. My thought process was that I was better off just ordering a fully tricked-out machine, that way I wouldn't find myself wanting for features at a later time, and this way the machine would have broader appeal if/when I were to eventually sell it.?
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Re: Felder FD250
Hi Andy,?
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Yes, the mechanical DRO I mentioned is the counter for the system hand wheel. Once I got it calibrated it's been very precise.?
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For single phase, yes there is a variable speed option. I try to go three phase whenever possible, and am skeptical about variable speed anything, but yes there is definitely an option.?
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As David Best points out, the MultiRouter is a great machine for furniture work, but you're limited to smaller pieces (the motor is fixed, table moves), and you're limited to 1/2" and smaller shank tooling, whereas the FD-250 (and other horizontal mortisers) will accept up to 20mm diameter shanks.?
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As Joe points out, the Rangate dowel bits are awesome. Carbide-tipped and oversized by 0.1mm, they are a perfect complement to their Rot-Resist dowels. Now that I've calibrated the 16mm dowel boring template to the cast iron table, it's a pretty simple task to use the cast iron block and the dowel bar to bore properly indexed dowel holes, so assembly is a breeze.?
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It's important to note that the "chisel mortising" and "dowel boring" options are ostensibly "Factory-only" options. I've been told that you can order the parts after the fact, but I wouldn't want to spend the time trying to retrofit them. My thought process was that I was better off just ordering a fully tricked-out machine, that way I wouldn't find myself wanting for features at a later time, and this way the machine would have broader appeal if/when I were to eventually sell it.?
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Re: Felder FD250
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI love the custom table with extensions ? Amazing idea and execution. ?I will look into the dro
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I also prefer the Muiltirouter for general joinery applications, but the FD250 is probably a better choice if you¡¯re building big heavy passage doors (which I do not). Adding a DRO in all three axis on the Multirouter
really improves its usefulness as a general purpose mortising machine. ?And??has made some nice improvements to the Multirouter. ?.
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Re: Feeding Material left to right on shaper
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Mariusz,I understood that but did not think of zooming in. Here is the answer. The part is thicker than the clamp. Imran Malik On Dec 5, 2024, at 3:01?AM, mariusz_m via groups.io <mariusz_m@...> wrote:
? Imran, you might have missed that Joe had mentioned that the panels are two sided and in this case the cutter is on the bottom. The Aigner touches and rides along the fence, but it does not touch the cast iron top ?- the block in front and the piece itself keep it above the table, so the cutter will not chew into it.?
I want to thank you for asking this question and everyone who responded- this is amazingly educational!!!!
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Re: Feeding Material left to right on shaper
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Joe, Thanks for the details and the pics. That knife projection is crazy, did not think anything like that would be possible or safe. I am kind of surprised with the use of Aigner clamping device in this case. I thought it only worked with stopped runs so that the cutter does not run into the holder. The clamping device is next to the fence and the entire length is being milled (at least on the outer edge). How come the cutter does not hit the clamping parts? Imran Malik On Dec 4, 2024, at 10:15?PM, Joe Calhoon via groups.io <joecalhoon@...> wrote:
?Here are more examples of dealing with small panels. I rarely make sleds for running these as it¡¯s time consuming. The first pictures are small 7¡±X7¡± panels with deep cuts for a pair of 10¡¯ high southwest style interior doors. 50 panels per door! Custom corrugated knife with the shaft tilted to reduce knife projection. Normally would use the sliding table for this but with the shaft tilted would have been sketchy dangerous! The sled rode against the Aigner fence, top piece referenced with dowels. Sandpaper glued to the top piece and feeder pressure held it all together. Face up as always with these to gain the stability of the flat 7¡± X 7¡± part down. This was very tedious running 100 panels like this but we got it done safely. The second 2 pictures show using the Aigner device to run the shorter length of the panel after the longer length had been done using the power feed. These are door panels raised both sides. The cutter is a 220mm diameter under the table. If these were single sided I would have run cutter on top. I could have spent time ?making a sled for these but the Aigner device made it quick and safe. <IMG_0034.jpeg> <IMG_0035.jpeg> <IMG_9661.jpeg> <IMG_9660.jpeg> |
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Re: Feeding Material left to right on shaper
Here are more examples of dealing with small panels.
I rarely make sleds for running these as it¡¯s time consuming. The first pictures are small 7¡±X7¡± panels with deep cuts for a pair of 10¡¯ high southwest style interior doors. 50 panels per door! Custom corrugated knife with the shaft tilted to reduce knife projection. Normally would use the sliding table for this but with the shaft tilted would have been sketchy dangerous! The sled rode against the Aigner fence, top piece referenced with dowels. Sandpaper glued to the top piece and feeder pressure held it all together. Face up as always with these to gain the stability of the flat 7¡± X 7¡± part down. This was very tedious running 100 panels like this but we got it done safely. The second 2 pictures show using the Aigner device to run the shorter length of the panel after the longer length had been done using the power feed. These are door panels raised both sides. The cutter is a 220mm diameter under the table. If these were single sided I would have run cutter on top. I could have spent time making a sled for these but the Aigner device made it quick and safe. |
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