Feel like we need a bit of laughter. This Facebook add with translation from Polish (i think) to English might help some of you, likely not David Best though ?
Imran
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Your square changed my life, since I am still working off crappy miter gauges and other tools that like to go out.?
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Re: Why such a big secrecy on Felder prices?!?
Gil,
NIH and arogance abound. ?Need I say more? ?My guess is the same guy writing the microcode for the DigiDrive is doing the web site design - I mean it¡¯s all just programming right? ?But they are clearly looking for your help. ?Apply here:
That said, there must be some prospective customers out there who cherish their web site value-added marketing insights such as the following:
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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They are using Neanderthal technology on their website. If they had a web designer who was moderately up to date, their website would be responsive to any device ?and fit it accordingly.? Gil Fuqua? Nashville ? I¡¯m not the only one frustrated by the lack of option detail on the Felder web site. ?I talked with Carl Knapp about this a week ago, and he too hates the new site since it no longer has the full list of configuration options. ?But Austria decided to push ahead with the new web site design because it is iPhone compatible, and the only way they could make it look decent on small screens was to eliminate all the option list details. ?¡°Get with modern times¡± is what he was told. ?I suggested they just put up a PDF of all the options and codes for reference. ?A week ago, we were trying to help a user figure out just what outrigger fence Felder was quoting on a K700, and even Carl couldn¡¯t figure it out. ?Here in the USA, if you log in and ask for the ¡°list prices¡± all you get is another screen where you can ask for a quote. ?I put in a quote request 10 days ago just to see what happens, and still no response. ?
On Jan 29, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
It's interesting that there is a click box that says click to see the list price, Then you need to log in, Then it says to ask for a free quote. It used to show the list price if I remember correctly. It would be interesting to see the change from a few years ago, for the base price at least.
Bill
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 3:39 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Not sure if it¡¯s big secrecy or so many options that it¡¯s hard to come up with a finished price. These machines are somewhat custom in nature, which fence, DRO¡¯s, this option, that option, the list goes on and on. You can usually see some pricing for specific machines in their sales fliers.
On Jan 29, 2022, at 1:09 PM, marianpa via < marianpa@...> wrote:
Why such a big secrecy on Felder's website about their products? Ok, I understand, could be a (stupid) strategy to collect emails....So they lie to you saying if you want to see the prices for a particular machine, sign up to our website. But even after signing up, still don't show prices....WTF?!?!?
Does anyone know? the current price for the?AD 941,?K 700S Pro?
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Thanks James for the detailed response. Good point on the MR and larger parts and needing to move the table, I don¡¯t remember it being a problem but could be. I will check out the vids of the next few days.
To tell you the truth I still like making m&t¡¯s with hollow chisel and tenons on the saw or bandsaw, if i was trying to make money it would be a different story. Although i just did 20 m&t¡¯s and it took max 45 min and that was with a slight tune for each tenon and that was because I did them on the bandsaw which I haven¡¯t done in a long time, if on the saw they would have been dead on with now fitting. The one thing I liked about MR was not really the M&T capability but the on the fly one off stuff.
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On Jan 29, 2022, at 11:45 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Mark,
The initial setup after assembling the PantoRouter does take some time, but it is a one time task.? Mac Sheldon explained the detailed steps in this video?.
Once the Panto router is dialed in, it is very easy and fast to cut the mortise and tenon. To cut the?cut bridle joint, you use the slot mortise template, set the depth, then rout the slot(mortise) first, then tenon, you can get perfect fit because the template is tapered, so you can make the tenon to fit the mortise. Here is the video cutting bride joint?.
The base of the PantoRouter is casting aluminum, rigid, no flex. I do not see flex on the aluminum table either. The clamp is just like the Festool ratcheting quick clamp, easy to use.
I have not cut the large piece on the PantoRouter, but I do not see the problem either. Actually I would say cutting the large piece on MultiRouter is going to be a problem, cause you need to move the table on MultiRouter.
Here below are a few Instagram posts cutting large pieces on PantoRouter
Btw, Michael Fortune uses PantoRouter in his shop and woodworking courses he?teaches.
James
James,? I am only familiar with the multi router, while the older versions had some short comings it is a solid workhorse and it looks like Woodpeckers corrected some of the issues. For me its a no brainer to go with the MR however, I do not own a business anymore and do not necessarily need a machine that can handle a beating if there is a lower cost option that will do the samething.
So how long does it take to set up and cut a tenon and mortise with their template, looks like there is a bit of fiddling and multiple test cuts.
Honestly even though my day job is in the plastics industry I do not like all the plastic parts.
And say I want to do something without a template like a bridal joint wider than the bit are there stops x,y,z in both directions??
What about the clamping, looks Mickey mouse.
Is it flexy? It sure looks like it is when there are larger pieces on it ? I do see people selling their Multi-Router and upgrading to PantoRouter on Instagram, LOL.
I made a mobile?station for my?Pantorouter and Shaper Origin, need to make some drawers.
No, I am not selling the brilliant and easy to?use PantoRouter.?
I strongly?recommend PantoRouter.
James
Maybe you could talk James into upgrading and buy his Panto-Router? ? LOL ?
Long shot, but thought I'd check and see if anybody wanted to sell their multirouter.
Thanks,
Dave
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You would have do declare it, plus currently it¡¯s a nightmare going back and forth from Canada at least in VT. Our home office and big Factory is in Ontario so i hear stories all the time plus with Covid it¡¯s even more of a pain. Even our CEO is fed up with it so he is basing out of VT for the next couple of months while he visits customers in North America and he has the luxury of the company jet.
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On Jan 30, 2022, at 1:22 AM, Dan Gavrilyuk <dgwoodco@...> wrote:
? Browsing around the Canada site, it seems that many machines there are much cheaper that in the US. Is it theoretically possible to purchase a machine in Canada and take delivery of it in the states? Or perhaps hopping over the border to pick one up. The nearest showroom to me in MA is In Toronto which is about a 7 hr drive. Would I get pounded at the border with import tax trying to cross back into the states??
On Jan 29, 2022, at 8:26 PM, bleiler60@... wrote:
?go to the Felder Canada site. I just looked up the price for the 700Ks and was listed at $11,235 Canadian dollars ($9,000 US), that will at least get you in the ballpark .
For some reason the Felder US site will not give a list price even after registering and signing in. BTW, I used the same login info for both the US and Canada site.
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
I don¡¯t understand why you don¡¯t make your own with a replaceable bottom ledge. ?There have been several postings about that here in the last month.
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Oh, I just saw that you had a picture showing the depth of the insert, from the shoulder to the end to be trimmed, as being 50.20mm long. ?My current fence extrusion is sitting 50.10mm to the edge of the saw blade. ?So not very much to trim off and didn¡¯t know if this plastic insert had any sort of rounded corners on it that wouldn¡¯t allow me to end up with a crisp square corner cut.
Thx,
Wade
On Jan 29, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Not sure I understand? This is what mine looks like after passing through the blade Bill Bill,
I put a caliper between my blade and the end of the cross cut fence and was getting 50.10mm, so I wouldn¡¯t be cutting hardly anything off.? Will that be enough to index the end of the insert? ?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 29, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
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No need for a backer at all this stuff cuts very ?cleanly
Bill
Thank you Bill,
With a 50.20mm length showing, there must just be a very small part trimmed off the end after passing by the blade.? Would you recommend a backer behind the ZCI when I first cut through this material or does it trim really clean?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Yes Wade, You can find them here; I have both blue and black ones.
Not a fan of the Etsy thing, but it made transactions simpler for everyone. Bill
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Short Crosscut Fence Usage on 10' Sliders
Felder will tell you to use the 5-sided cut method to square the fence, and once set, it will consistently align to 90-degrees. ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Perhaps Felder would be so kind as to explain the correct method of re-registering the fence so that the user can obtain an accurate and repeatable 90 degree fence each and every time. Felder is arrogant, they think they are the best. Clearly, they are not the best.
James I have asked Felder many times why they don¡¯t come up with a decent crosscut fence that registers square every time.? The official response from Austria is that there is no problem with the 1100mm crosscut fence 90-degree registration system, and that it¡¯s all cockpit error.? Even so, there are two Felder USA showrooms who have bought my upgrade kit so they can demonstrate that the fence cuts square.? Go figure.
If someone really needs an accurate smaller crosscut fence fo their saw, I always recommend the DGL or EGL.? The calculator in the EGL is not ?the primary advantage of that option - it¡¯s the telescoping fence extensions that support longer material.? Brian Iam, I recommend the DGL for you over the 1100mm crosscut fence on the saw.? Now, on a sliding table shaper, that¡¯s a different story - that¡¯s where the 1100mm fence is most appropriate for counter-profiling work, unless you want to equip the shaper with it¡¯s own outrigger table.
On Jan 29, 2022, at 3:27 PM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
Has anyone ever asked Felder why they don't fix it?
Bill B
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 4:17 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Now, I wouldn¡¯t put my name on it. But, I¡¯ve also run my machine for 21 years now without the short fence and never missed it¡.
Brian Lamb, I understand that isnt the main fence. I do wonder if it would cost a buck or 10 bucks to fix, why they haven¡¯t done so already. Minimax does sell one. I have no idea if they have similar tolerances or not.?
Everything I hear about your stuff is aces.?Would you attach your name to a device that was this sloppy and expect people to be happy? I personally would not.?
B
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Perhaps Felder would be so kind as to explain the correct method of re-registering the fence so that the user can obtain an accurate and repeatable 90 degree fence each and every time.
Felder is arrogant, they think they are the best. Clearly, they are not the best.
James I have asked Felder many times why they don¡¯t come up with a decent crosscut fence that registers square every time.? The official response from Austria is that there is no problem with the 1100mm crosscut fence 90-degree registration system, and that it¡¯s all cockpit error.? Even so, there are two Felder USA showrooms who have bought my upgrade kit so they can demonstrate that the fence cuts square.? Go figure.
If someone really needs an accurate smaller crosscut fence fo their saw, I always recommend the DGL or EGL.? The calculator in the EGL is not ?the primary advantage of that option - it¡¯s the telescoping fence extensions that support longer material.? Brian Iam, I recommend the DGL for you over the 1100mm crosscut fence on the saw.? Now, on a sliding table shaper, that¡¯s a different story - that¡¯s where the 1100mm fence is most appropriate for counter-profiling work, unless you want to equip the shaper with it¡¯s own outrigger table.
On Jan 29, 2022, at 3:27 PM, Bill Belanger < Bill@...> wrote:
Has anyone ever asked Felder why they don't fix it?
Bill B
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 4:17 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Now, I wouldn¡¯t put my name on it. But, I¡¯ve also run my machine for 21 years now without the short fence and never missed it¡.
Brian Lamb, I understand that isnt the main fence. I do wonder if it would cost a buck or 10 bucks to fix, why they haven¡¯t done so already. Minimax does sell one. I have no idea if they have similar tolerances or not.?
Everything I hear about your stuff is aces.?Would you attach your name to a device that was this sloppy and expect people to be happy? I personally would not.?
B
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Browsing around the Canada site, it seems that many machines there are much cheaper that in the US. Is it theoretically possible to purchase a machine in Canada and take delivery of it in the states? Or perhaps hopping over the border to pick one up. The nearest showroom to me in MA is In Toronto which is about a 7 hr drive. Would I get pounded at the border with import tax trying to cross back into the states??
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On Jan 29, 2022, at 8:26 PM, bleiler60@... wrote:
?go to the Felder Canada site. I just looked up the price for the 700Ks and was listed at $11,235 Canadian dollars ($9,000 US), that will at least get you in the ballpark .
For some reason the Felder US site will not give a list price even after registering and signing in. BTW, I used the same login info for both the US and Canada site.
Bill
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Oh, I just saw that you had a picture showing the depth of the insert, from the shoulder to the end to be trimmed, as being 50.20mm long. ?My current fence extrusion is sitting 50.10mm to the edge of the saw blade. ?So not very much to trim off and didn¡¯t know if this plastic insert had any sort of rounded corners on it that wouldn¡¯t allow me to end up with a crisp square corner cut.
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 29, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Not sure I understand? This is what mine looks like after passing through the blade Bill Bill,
I put a caliper between my blade and the end of the cross cut fence and was getting 50.10mm, so I wouldn¡¯t be cutting hardly anything off.? Will that be enough to index the end of the insert? ?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 29, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
?
No need for a backer at all this stuff cuts very ?cleanly
Bill
Thank you Bill,
With a 50.20mm length showing, there must just be a very small part trimmed off the end after passing by the blade.? Would you recommend a backer behind the ZCI when I first cut through this material or does it trim really clean?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Yes Wade, You can find them here; I have both blue and black ones.
Not a fan of the Etsy thing, but it made transactions simpler for everyone. Bill
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Jacques,
No biggie. Good thing, you know where they are ?
Imran
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On Jan 29, 2022, at 11:13 PM, Jacques Gagnon <jacques.gagnon309@...> wrote: ?Imran,
Your post led me to do some homework. There are indeed capacitors on the machine but they are not located on the motor housing - my mistake. Thanks for signaling this and helping me learn new things. ?
J.
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Mark,
The initial setup after assembling the PantoRouter does take some time, but it is a one time task.? Mac Sheldon explained the detailed steps in this video?.
Once the Panto router is dialed in, it is very easy and fast to cut the mortise and tenon. To cut the?cut bridle joint, you use the slot mortise template, set the depth, then rout the slot(mortise) first, then tenon, you can get perfect fit because the template is tapered, so you can make the tenon to fit the mortise. Here is the video cutting bride joint?.
The base of the PantoRouter is casting aluminum, rigid, no flex. I do not see flex on the aluminum table either. The clamp is just like the Festool ratcheting quick clamp, easy to use.
I have not cut the large piece on the PantoRouter, but I do not see the problem either. Actually I would say cutting the large piece on MultiRouter is going to be a problem, cause you need to move the table on MultiRouter.
Here below are a few Instagram posts cutting large pieces on PantoRouter
Btw, Michael Fortune uses PantoRouter in his shop and woodworking courses he?teaches.
James
James,? I am only familiar with the multi router, while the older versions had some short comings it is a solid workhorse and it looks like Woodpeckers corrected some of the issues. For me its a no brainer to go with the MR however, I do not own a business anymore and do not necessarily need a machine that can handle a beating if there is a lower cost option that will do the samething.
So how long does it take to set up and cut a tenon and mortise with their template, looks like there is a bit of fiddling and multiple test cuts.
Honestly even though my day job is in the plastics industry I do not like all the plastic parts.
And say I want to do something without a template like a bridal joint wider than the bit are there stops x,y,z in both directions??
What about the clamping, looks Mickey mouse.
Is it flexy? It sure looks like it is when there are larger pieces on it ? I do see people selling their Multi-Router and upgrading to PantoRouter on Instagram, LOL.
I made a mobile?station for my?Pantorouter and Shaper Origin, need to make some drawers.
No, I am not selling the brilliant and easy to?use PantoRouter.?
I strongly?recommend PantoRouter.
James
Maybe you could talk James into upgrading and buy his Panto-Router? ? LOL ?
Long shot, but thought I'd check and see if anybody wanted to sell their multirouter.
Thanks,
Dave
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
Imran,
Your post led me to do some homework. There are indeed capacitors on the machine but they are not located on the motor housing - my mistake. Thanks for signaling this and helping me learn new things. ?
J.
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It¡¯s a fair deal if it¡¯s in good shape. ?
?Wait time for a new order is 3-9 months and you pay in advance.?
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On Jan 29, 2022, at 10:06 PM, Peter Tennyson <pmtennyson@...> wrote:
? Hello all,
So there is a felder 610 (2018) for $4,500 in my area. Comes with mobile base and a couple of ok blades. Looks to be in excellent condition. Good deal or pass??
Thanks,
Peter On Jan 29, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via groups.io <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
?
I won't buy anything from laguna. A Laguna sales rep convinced
me.? I was asking for technical specifications. All he had were
colorful brochures. I asked? for a number for technical or
service. He told me there is no such thing stateside that the
equipment is made overseas and there are no technical manuals or
anything of the sort.
So I got an aggazzani.
Oh? my Hammer Rep told me not to get a Felder band saw.
Resurrecting this thread to pose the following question:?
I currently have a Laguna LT14SUV (14" Asian-made machine, 14"
resaw, 3 hp motor) that I'd like to set up just for curved work,
and adding a second band saw that I'd use as a dedicated ripping
machine. I'm running a one-person operation and seem to be
specializing in taking on small, one-off jobs, working directly
with clients or serving as back-up for other local shops. I'm
currently in a ~700 sq-ft Shop, so space is a bit of an issue
(likely prevents the 30"+ machines), but it's possible I could
sneak in a 24" machine.?
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came
across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the
perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the
Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
Highlights:
-- Leeson 5hp motor, available in 3-phase
-- Italian-made, not sure who though (likely ACM?)
-- 18" resaw height
-- Uses the Laguna ceramic guides
-- Cost is comparable to a FB610
-- Accepts a 2" blade
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a
capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I
spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really
only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would
require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony",
but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that
can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that
would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated
ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if
"more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for
poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my
understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years
ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have
any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Thanks for the resource links!!
Ray
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:54 PM John Huelsenbeck < johnh@...> wrote: This is mostly in response to Ray's question about resources for his
Hammer K3. He clearly is considering putting the machine out of its
(his?) misery, but I hope he looks at these resources before he does
that!
Despite the fact that I was obviously annoyed by the scoring unit on
my machine, I have been as happy as a clam (a notoriously happy
animal) using my Hammer K3. I'll give a list of resources at the end
of this message, but I'll just say a few things that impress me.
First, you don't need a lot of jigs to use a sliding table saw to its
fullest. The only one I would recommend is the Fritz & Franz jig. (Are
there other jigs I'm missing that are useful for sliding table saws?)
One of the things that I don't like about North American style table
saws is that you need to construct a bunch of jigs to do things like
cross cutting, something a sliding table saw does out of the box if
it's equipped with a cross cut fence. Second, I do like the inherently
safer way in which you operate the sliding table saw. When using a NA
style saw, I feel as if I have a big target on my head. Finally, I'm
quite happy with the precision and quality of the machine. I am using
commie units in my woodworking: I can cut repeatedly to within a
fraction of a millimeter.
Now for some resources that I have found useful:
1.
Marius is a German kid who set up a workshop in his parent's basement
in Germany. I love the fact that he constructs almost all of the
things he needs in his shop by himself. He is a stickler for precision
and even discovered a design flaw in the Hammer K3 crosscut fence
stop. He designed a fix and sold it for a while. Felder invited him to
their factory where they showed him their solution to the problem,
which they sell on their online shop. (Which brings up the question:
Why the fuck does Felder still equip the Hammer K3 saws with the
faulty stop while at the same time selling the working version online.
There should be a law against this!) Marius also has an excellent
review of the Hammer K3 he bought.
2.
Sam Blasco uses a sliding table saw extensively in his shop and has
some excellent videos on its use.
3.
I can totally identify with this guy. Middle aged. Bald. Clearly a
techie. He has videos on the thought process he went through when
purchasing a combo machine. He has also bought some of the higher-end
third party items you can buy for the Hammer, such as those sold by
Lamb Toolworks.
4.
This guy is a Hammer K3 enthusiast, though his delivery is a bit
stiff. He seems to be obsessed with precision and accuracy and has
even tested the accuracy of the angle gauge that you can buy as an add
on for the saw.
5.
Hoffman is another person who is a bit OCD about precision and
accuracy. He has videos that are quite useful for setting up the saw.
He also has a balanced video on the good and the bad on the saw.
6.
Canadian dude who speaks in Canadian. He has a Felder line sliding
table saw and an impeccably neat shop which I drool over.
7.
Bedrosian is a retired engineer who makes beautiful stuff. He has many
creative design solutions to flaws in the Hammer K3, such as the
position of the on/off switch. He also sells a first-rate Fritz &
Franz jig, which I bought. His instagram page also has links to Hammer
resources.
8.
And last, but not least, is Valdez who has videos on the use of a
sliding table saw. He owns a Hammer K3. He also sells excellent
zero-clearance inserts for the Hammer K3 which are superior to those
sold by Felder (there's more support on the table side of the insert).
I hope that this helps! It would be wonderful if we could have a web
site (perhaps a wiki) to which people could contribute on the set up,
maintenance, and use of Felder equipment.
Take care,
JH
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John Huelsenbeck
Department of Integrative Biology
University of California, Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510) 502-5887
johnh@...
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How do these? gauges account for metal mass in different size
blades?
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Tension depends on the saw but experiment and see what works.?
25000+ is the sweet spot on my saw but others have different
opinions.? I'd start at 15K and go to 20K and then 25K if the
saw can do it.? Watch that the spring doesn't bottom out and the
blade tracks consistently.? Too much tension can cause the frame
to flex as the wheels turn and cause the blade to track weird.
?
The key with a meter is make sure it is loaded when the blade is
slack so you get the same number each time you tension.? You
will get a feel but the first few times can be deceiving.? Make
sure the blade doesn't move forward and into the guard and dull
the teeth, and don't depend on the rear bearing to support the
blade.? If that bearing spins it can heat the band.? Keep the
band lubed to help cool it when taking a heavy cut and depending
on the back bearing.? Most of the time the bearing isn't needed
but that is also dependent on tension and how fast you push the
stock.? Dave
I sent this to Lennox support:
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Mfsta2lt
Jan 25, 2022, 21:03 EST?
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This was the reply I received:
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Rick?(LENOX?)?
Jan 26, 2022, 6:31 EST?
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Thoughts, comments, best practice? My Bandsaw manual says
tighten utill you can push the blade 1/4 to 3/8 with "firm"
pressure....
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Mark Foster
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James,? I am only familiar with the multi router, while the older versions had some short comings it is a solid workhorse and it looks like Woodpeckers corrected some of the issues. For me its a no brainer to go with the MR however, I do not own a business anymore and do not necessarily need a machine that can handle a beating if there is a lower cost option that will do the samething.
So how long does it take to set up and cut a tenon and mortise with their template, looks like there is a bit of fiddling and multiple test cuts.
Honestly even though my day job is in the plastics industry I do not like all the plastic parts.
And say I want to do something without a template like a bridal joint wider than the bit are there stops x,y,z in both directions??
What about the clamping, looks Mickey mouse.
Is it flexy? It sure looks like it is when there are larger pieces on it
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On Jan 29, 2022, at 10:09 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? I do see people selling their Multi-Router and upgrading to PantoRouter on Instagram, LOL.
I made a mobile?station for my?Pantorouter and Shaper Origin, need to make some drawers.
No, I am not selling the brilliant and easy to?use PantoRouter.?
I strongly?recommend PantoRouter.
James
Maybe you could talk James into upgrading and buy his Panto-Router? ? LOL ?
Long shot, but thought I'd check and see if anybody wanted to sell their multirouter.
Thanks,
Dave
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I paid $7700 including shipping for the 710 with the 7.5hp motor and some accessories. Seemed like a decent price.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:14 PM Mike S < Mike@...> wrote: It¡¯s a great saw (I recently bought one).? Pretty steep price. On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:06 PM Peter Tennyson < pmtennyson@...> wrote: Hello all,
So there is a felder 610 (2018) for $4,500 in my area. Comes with mobile base and a couple of ok blades. Looks to be in excellent condition. Good deal or pass??
Thanks,
Peter On Jan 29, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via <rohrabacher=[email protected]> wrote:
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I won't buy anything from laguna. A Laguna sales rep convinced
me.? I was asking for technical specifications. All he had were
colorful brochures. I asked? for a number for technical or
service. He told me there is no such thing stateside that the
equipment is made overseas and there are no technical manuals or
anything of the sort.
So I got an aggazzani.
Oh? my Hammer Rep told me not to get a Felder band saw.
Resurrecting this thread to pose the following question:?
I currently have a Laguna LT14SUV (14" Asian-made machine, 14"
resaw, 3 hp motor) that I'd like to set up just for curved work,
and adding a second band saw that I'd use as a dedicated ripping
machine. I'm running a one-person operation and seem to be
specializing in taking on small, one-off jobs, working directly
with clients or serving as back-up for other local shops. I'm
currently in a ~700 sq-ft Shop, so space is a bit of an issue
(likely prevents the 30"+ machines), but it's possible I could
sneak in a 24" machine.?
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came
across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the
perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the
Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
Highlights:
-- Leeson 5hp motor, available in 3-phase
-- Italian-made, not sure who though (likely ACM?)
-- 18" resaw height
-- Uses the Laguna ceramic guides
-- Cost is comparable to a FB610
-- Accepts a 2" blade
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a
capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I
spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really
only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would
require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony",
but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that
can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that
would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated
ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if
"more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for
poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my
understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years
ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have
any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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It¡¯s a great saw (I recently bought one).? Pretty steep price.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:06 PM Peter Tennyson < pmtennyson@...> wrote: Hello all,
So there is a felder 610 (2018) for $4,500 in my area. Comes with mobile base and a couple of ok blades. Looks to be in excellent condition. Good deal or pass??
Thanks,
Peter On Jan 29, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via <rohrabacher=[email protected]> wrote:
?
I won't buy anything from laguna. A Laguna sales rep convinced
me.? I was asking for technical specifications. All he had were
colorful brochures. I asked? for a number for technical or
service. He told me there is no such thing stateside that the
equipment is made overseas and there are no technical manuals or
anything of the sort.
So I got an aggazzani.
Oh? my Hammer Rep told me not to get a Felder band saw.
Resurrecting this thread to pose the following question:?
I currently have a Laguna LT14SUV (14" Asian-made machine, 14"
resaw, 3 hp motor) that I'd like to set up just for curved work,
and adding a second band saw that I'd use as a dedicated ripping
machine. I'm running a one-person operation and seem to be
specializing in taking on small, one-off jobs, working directly
with clients or serving as back-up for other local shops. I'm
currently in a ~700 sq-ft Shop, so space is a bit of an issue
(likely prevents the 30"+ machines), but it's possible I could
sneak in a 24" machine.?
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came
across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the
perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the
Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
Highlights:
-- Leeson 5hp motor, available in 3-phase
-- Italian-made, not sure who though (likely ACM?)
-- 18" resaw height
-- Uses the Laguna ceramic guides
-- Cost is comparable to a FB610
-- Accepts a 2" blade
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a
capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I
spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really
only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would
require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony",
but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that
can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that
would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated
ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if
"more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for
poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my
understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years
ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have
any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
|
I do see people selling their Multi-Router and upgrading to PantoRouter on Instagram, LOL.
I made a mobile?station for my?Pantorouter and Shaper Origin, need to make some drawers.
No, I am not selling the brilliant and easy to?use PantoRouter.?
I strongly?recommend PantoRouter.
James
Maybe you could talk James into upgrading and buy his Panto-Router? ? LOL ?
Long shot, but thought I'd check and see if anybody wanted to sell their multirouter.
Thanks,
Dave
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Dan Gavrilyuk
I run Lennox bandsaw blades almost exclusively. Today I installed a new Woodmater CT 1" blade and I have a Lennox Tension meter on it's way. Where can I find information on correct tension specs for Lennox Blades.
Thanks
Mark Foster