Re: Short Crosscut Fence Usage on 10' Sliders
Yes. ?Brian Lamb makes them: ?
David Best
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Ed,
You can get digital stops for the smaller cross cut fence? ?
Wade
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Re: Short Crosscut Fence Usage on 10' Sliders
Ed,
You can get digital stops for the smaller cross cut fence? ?
Wade
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Yes Wade, You can find them here; I have both blue and black ones.
Not a fan of the Etsy thing, but it made transactions simpler for everyone. Bill
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Hi Bill,
Are you still selling zero clearance inserts for the end of the large Format cross cut fence?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
In the same vein, once you start using the clamps, hands near blade is an uncomfortable experience. At least for me, even though I had yrs of past exposure to working w/o clamps on domestic table saw and on KF700.
Imran
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Steve Wurster <steven.m.wurster@...> wrote: ?On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 10:50 AM, PK wrote:
As soon as you break the habit of standing behind the blade, things will progress quickly.? For me, when I do have to stand behind the blade for a process (not many) I feel uncomfortable and look to jigs etc, to get me away from that position.
I agree with this statement.? I've had my K3 79x48 for 3.5 years now and do nearly everything from the left side of the sliding table.? However the other day I had to rip some 8' pieces and rather than attempt to build a jig for that or go with Derek Cohen's "slide, reposition, slide again" technique, I simply ripped them the "old fashioned" way using the fence as if I had a standard US-style saw.? It felt a little weird; not truly uncomfortable and certainly not dangerous feeling, but definitely weird. As for the OP's question about resources, etc., I don't have anything to add on top of the other great responses in here.
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 10:50 AM, PK wrote:
As soon as you break the habit of standing behind the blade, things will progress quickly.? For me, when I do have to stand behind the blade for a process (not many) I feel uncomfortable and look to jigs etc, to get me away from that position.
I agree with this statement.? I've had my K3 79x48 for 3.5 years now and do nearly everything from the left side of the sliding table.? However the other day I had to rip some 8' pieces and rather than attempt to build a jig for that or go with Derek Cohen's "slide, reposition, slide again" technique, I simply ripped them the "old fashioned" way using the fence as if I had a standard US-style saw.? It felt a little weird; not truly uncomfortable and certainly not dangerous feeling, but definitely weird. As for the OP's question about resources, etc., I don't have anything to add on top of the other great responses in here.
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Thanks David that would be great.?
I am getting started with fusion and am midway through one of the sets of videos you and others suggested in another thread - really good instruction!!
The cutter software is actually. It too bad on this printer - but there is a ton I am learning
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Michael,
Mark¡¯s comment about ¡°breaking¡± I believe was in reference to the wood consumable ZCI throat plate, not the 3 base components it mounts to.
Have a look at this link: ?
This version fits the K940, Kappa 400, etc, not the K/KF-700. ?And it is not provisioned for the LED strip associated with the scoring unit. ?The three base components need to be stiff - I make my versions out of 6061 aluminum and have them hard
anodized. ? ?I do not believe that ABS or regular Nylon are suitable for the three base components. ?
The longest of the three components in the system is 355mm which is larger than the diagonal on my 3D printer. ?I have the 3D model for this in Fusion 360 and could easily spit out a STEP or STL file. ?I am not prepared to train/help with 3D printer
use, so you¡¯re on your own with that end.?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
I just got a 3D printer and have not even used it yet ¨C it looks like I can print diagonally 550mm or so.?? On my K940 there are actually 3 pieces that make up the part to take off and bolt on ¨C are the ZCI normally one piece or could
it be done with 3?
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I wouldn¡¯t mind giving a print a try if there is a STL file on the site??? I did not look, and an brand new to printing so I could make a bit of a mess I suppose
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Mark ¨C you said yours lasted 3 months, did it break?
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For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff.
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On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
I don¡¯t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I¡¯ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate¡ I think it¡¯s pretty long and my
machine is older and shorter.
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:
?
Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle.
?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike <mike@...> wrote:
Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder ()
is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Michael,
Mark¡¯s comment about ¡°breaking¡± I believe was in reference to the wood consumable ZCI throat plate, not the 3 base components it mounts to.
Have a look at this link: ?
This version fits the K940, Kappa 400, etc, not the K/KF-700. ?And it is not provisioned for the LED strip associated with the scoring unit. ?The three base components need to be stiff - I make my versions out of 6061 aluminum and have them hard anodized. ? ?I do not believe that ABS or regular Nylon are suitable for the three base components. ?
The longest of the three components in the system is 355mm which is larger than the diagonal on my 3D printer. ?I have the 3D model for this in Fusion 360 and could easily spit out a STEP or STL file. ?I am not prepared to train/help with 3D printer use, so you¡¯re on your own with that end.?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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I just got a 3D printer and have not even used it yet ¨C it looks like I can print diagonally 550mm or so.?? On my K940 there are actually 3 pieces that make up the part to take off and bolt on ¨C are the ZCI normally one piece or could it be done with 3? ? I wouldn¡¯t mind giving a print a try if there is a STL file on the site??? I did not look, and an brand new to printing so I could make a bit of a mess I suppose ? ? Mark ¨C you said yours lasted 3 months, did it break? ? ? For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff. ? On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: I don¡¯t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I¡¯ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate¡ I think it¡¯s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter. ? On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote: ? Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. ? On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike <mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
I just got a 3D printer and have not even used it yet ¨C it looks like I can print diagonally 550mm or so.?? On my K940 there are actually 3 pieces that make up the part to take off and bolt on ¨C are the ZCI normally one piece or could it be done with 3? ? I wouldn¡¯t mind giving a print a try if there is a STL file on the site??? I did not look, and an brand new to printing so I could make a bit of a mess I suppose ? ? Mark ¨C you said yours lasted 3 months, did it break? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Wise Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 11:36 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Cross cut fence zero clearance insert #k700s ? For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff. ? On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: I don¡¯t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I¡¯ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate¡ I think it¡¯s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter. ? On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote: ? Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. ? On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike <mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Bob, The bed on my printer is only 250 mm.
Bill Belanger
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:48 Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote: Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff. On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I don¡¯t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I¡¯ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate¡ I think it¡¯s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter.
On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
For a larger part like that?I'd use a commercial printing service. Have you played with NylonX? It's pretty stiff.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 8:34 AM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: I don¡¯t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I¡¯ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate¡ I think it¡¯s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter.
On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
I don¡¯t know that ABS or nylon is going to be stiff enough. The times I¡¯ve printed with ABS is tends to be pretty flexible. Big problem is going to be a 3D printer large enough to print the throat plate¡ I think it¡¯s pretty long and my machine is older and shorter.
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
I made the zci mounting parts for the k940 out of a nylon with chopped carbon fiber until the parts were machined and it held up well for about 3 months, that wasn¡¯t the plate though I mounted maple strip the the 3d printed part. It¡¯s in my IG feed somewhere.
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 10:48 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:
? Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Hi Ray,
Looks like you got a lot of info to go through. Maybe someone in Dallas area will help you out however if all else fails, I suggest the following: What are the top 3 or 5 or 10 operations you know to carry out on a typical American table saw but not sure how to do on your Hammer?
Maybe the collective here can give you specific guidance.
If you do post these questions, I suggest you do so individually, so answers remain segregated.
Imran
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:34 AM, SirRey <sirrey@...> wrote: ? Unfortunately I'm in The Dallas / Fort Worth area or I would take you up on that.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:35 PM PK < pk@...> wrote: Ray,
Where are you located?? If you are in Southern California, I would be happy to host you for an afternoon.
PK
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Ray,
You could attend AWFS in Atlanta later this year.? You could play with all the sliders and ask a million questions about processes.? There aren't a lot of reps that actually do woodworking, but there are a few.
As soon as you break the habit of standing behind the blade, things will progress quickly.? For me, when I do have to stand behind the blade for a process (not many) I feel uncomfortable and look to jigs etc, to get me away from that position.
PK
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Unfortunately I'm in The Dallas / Fort Worth area or I would take you up on that.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:35 PM PK < pk@...> wrote: Ray,
Where are you located?? If you are in Southern California, I would be happy to host you for an afternoon.
PK
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
I¡¯m in Cincinnati Ohio if you want to swing by my shop?
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Thanks for the feedback fellas, very helpful. sounds like the Resaw Master is ¡°out¡±, I¡¯ll take a hard look at the FB610, as well as the SCM S 640P. I¡¯m curious to see if Felder would build a 610 with the 7.5hp motor from the 710¡ Thanks again for the input.
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
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David P. Best
Bill Belanger
imran
PK
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