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Saw these videos a few years back¡ was going to try it out and I haven¡¯t gotten back to it yet.
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Brian Lamb
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www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Feb 6, 2024, at 2:07?PM, Andy <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:
That looks interesting. Only face drilling required.
On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 3:53?PM Brian Lamb <
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Just to throw another option out there¡ and this method has hand jigs or you can do cnc.
Thanks Andy.
I have a cnc, but my use case if probably a little different than yours, but I chose the Lamello because of the following:
- I frequently assemble onsite, and need dust collection and versatility.
- Lamello can be used on cabinet assembly, drawer boxes and face frames.? Lock Dowel works for the cabinet box and drawers, but (as far as I know) not face frame assembly.
- Lamello can do both RTA (clamex) and glue/clamp(tenso) - this is especially helpful when assembling difficult to clamp shapes or large assemblies.
- Lock Dowels were a little fiddly on bigger wall and tall cabinets - difficult to line up the pieces.? They work great for smaller cabinets that are easier to reach.
-Lamello can do miters and hardwood assemblies
Andy,
I am not adverse to getting a Lamello but I already have the CNC. Would you please expand on why you prefer the Lamello?
?- Scott
I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.?
I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-??????????Scott Hanna
Wade,?
This is not the worst I have ever seen.
There are YouTube videos showing people wearing slippers, no safety glasses, no hearing protection, no dust?collection, and hands are just too close to the spinning blades/shape cutters. Those people are incredibly "brave"...
James??
Hi Aaron,
I can also see there are no rules about wearing safety glasses in this shop! ???
Wade On Feb 6, 2024, at 12:50 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?You can see here that he puts a small piece of wood at the rear of the beam clamp to prevent unequal piston pressure problems:
-Aaron
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Scott,
Another simple option that allows for knockdown construction with tight joints is the Festool Domino Connectors plus pocket screws for face frames as needed. Provides a lot of flexibility and really simple although a little pricey.
I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Thanks Andy.
I have a cnc, but my use case if probably a little different than yours, but I chose the Lamello because of the following:
- I frequently assemble onsite, and need dust collection and versatility.
- Lamello can be used on cabinet assembly, drawer boxes and face frames.? Lock Dowel works for the cabinet box and drawers, but (as far as I know) not face frame assembly.
- Lamello can do both RTA (clamex) and glue/clamp(tenso) - this is especially helpful when assembling difficult to clamp shapes or large assemblies.
- Lock Dowels were a little fiddly on bigger wall and tall cabinets - difficult to line up the pieces.? They work great for smaller cabinets that are easier to reach.
-Lamello can do miters and hardwood assemblies
Andy,
I am not adverse to getting a Lamello but I already have the CNC. Would you please expand on why you prefer the Lamello?
?- Scott
I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.?
I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-??????????Scott Hanna
Hi Aaron,
I can also see there are no rules about wearing safety glasses in this shop! ???
Wade
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On Feb 6, 2024, at 12:50 PM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
?You can see here that he puts a small piece of wood at the rear of the beam clamp to prevent unequal piston pressure problems:
-Aaron
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Just to throw another option out there¡ and this method has hand jigs or you can do cnc.
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Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Feb 6, 2024, at 1:30?PM, Sawdust77 <rscotthanna@...> wrote:
Thanks Andy.
I have a cnc, but my use case if probably a little different than yours, but I chose the Lamello because of the following:
- I frequently assemble onsite, and need dust collection and versatility.
- Lamello can be used on cabinet assembly, drawer boxes and face frames.? Lock Dowel works for the cabinet box and drawers, but (as far as I know) not face frame assembly.
- Lamello can do both RTA (clamex) and glue/clamp(tenso) - this is especially helpful when assembling difficult to clamp shapes or large assemblies.
- Lock Dowels were a little fiddly on bigger wall and tall cabinets - difficult to line up the pieces.? They work great for smaller cabinets that are easier to reach.
-Lamello can do miters and hardwood assemblies
Andy,
I am not adverse to getting a Lamello but I already have the CNC. Would you please expand on why you prefer the Lamello?
?- Scott
I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.?
I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-??????????Scott Hanna
You can see here that he puts a small piece of wood at the rear of the beam clamp to prevent unequal piston pressure problems:
-Aaron
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I have a cnc, but my use case if probably a little different than yours, but I chose the Lamello because of the following:
- I frequently assemble onsite, and need dust collection and versatility. - Lamello can be used on cabinet assembly, drawer boxes and face frames.? Lock Dowel works for the cabinet box and drawers, but (as far as I know) not face frame assembly. - Lamello can do both RTA (clamex) and glue/clamp(tenso) - this is especially helpful when assembling difficult to clamp shapes or large assemblies. - Lock Dowels were a little fiddly on bigger wall and tall cabinets - difficult to line up the pieces.? They work great for smaller cabinets that are easier to reach. -Lamello can do miters and hardwood assemblies
Andy,
I am not adverse to getting a Lamello but I already have the CNC. Would you please expand on why you prefer the Lamello?
?- Scott I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation. Thanks, -????????? Scott Hanna
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If you put a very small board or a cross-cut board under the Ironwood beam clamp, I can see where the rear piston of the beam clamp may want to push down more (since there's no material under that specific piston).? The system might try to torque the beam where the rear of the beam is leaning downwards.?? This may be why they did a split-beam design because most panels will clamp down just fine with the smaller forward beam.? If you have a long 8-9 foot panel, you can also use the longer rear beam.
I'm not sure, but in the video, it looks like the beam clamp might be sized for the bigger 3800 sliding table (149" or 12.4 feet).? I would check with Ironwood directly to make sure of the table length specification.
-Aaron
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Patrick,
I think you would have to be cutting a lot of veneer or thin panels to justify one of these. At that point you might want to consider a veneer saw. Myself I would not want to be taking something like that on and off. The Mac setup works just fine for what I am doing. For sure if cutting a lot of thin material this would be more convenient
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I have a cnc, but my use case if probably a little different than yours, but I chose the Lamello because of the following:
- I frequently assemble onsite, and need dust collection and versatility. - Lamello can be used on cabinet assembly, drawer boxes and face frames. ?Lock Dowel works for the cabinet box and drawers, but (as far as I know) not face frame assembly. - Lamello can do both RTA (clamex) and glue/clamp(tenso) - this is especially helpful when assembling difficult to clamp shapes or large assemblies. - Lock Dowels were a little fiddly on bigger wall and tall cabinets - difficult to line up the pieces. ?They work great for smaller cabinets that are easier to reach. -Lamello can do miters and hardwood assemblies
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On Feb 6, 2024, at 3:05 PM, Sawdust77 <rscotthanna@...> wrote:
Andy,
I am not adverse to getting a Lamello but I already have the CNC. Would you please expand on why you prefer the Lamello?
?- Scott I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation. Thanks, -????????? Scott Hanna
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Andy,
I am not adverse to getting a Lamello but I already have the CNC. Would you please expand on why you prefer the Lamello?
?- Scott
I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Yes, I agree with?Wade. LockDowel is for production shops with CNC making cabinets nonstop, not for hobbyists or small shops doing one or several cabinets a year. If you want to use it, you need to spend at least $2000 (router bits and connectors) to start.
You can use Lamello Zeta P2 to achieve the same goal, flat packing. Lamello connectors are more expensive than LockDowel, but you can get cheap alternatives (search Lamello Zeta P2, you can find the thread), cheaper than LockDowel. You can use Lamello Zeta P2 for other applications.
James
Sounds like you just need to own a CNC machine to use LockDowel.? Unfortunately I don¡¯t have one of them lying around! ????
Wade? ? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.?
I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Sounds like you just need to own a CNC machine to use LockDowel. ?Unfortunately I don¡¯t have one of them lying around! ????
Wade?
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On Feb 6, 2024, at 11:21 AM, Sawdust77 <rscotthanna@...> wrote:
? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Thanks for all the responses. Joe, i almost added to my original message that, "the only other time ive seen the clamp was on an auction for a T78, the goofy slider that didnt?bevel". I will search for some old brochures to see if i can find more information or specs. The Ironwood version looks like it has a split platen, but im not sure Martin's does. Is there a reason where this clamp would be inferior to the more typical two clamp setup--aka Mac's clamps. I feel like Mac's would be easier to setup for smaller workpieces and this beam clamp is obviously better for full panels. Any reason to avoid a clamp design like this? Obviously it will get in the way for situations where the workpiece is very tall--for me, im thinking?about the notch cuts on a maloof seat.?
Patrick
The Ironwood part number is:
61-300-32323
$4,000
Dave Davies
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:10?AM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Yup simple as this old blog post.
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Designing and building for 50 years
?I have a slightly curved hardwood caul that works well between the Mac clamps for this type work.
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Re: Power Feed F348 electrical install
Imran,
I haven't yet installed the 110V outlet in the middle of my shop under the CF741 as I never found a usage for it. I did put a dozen such outlets on the walls around the shop for easy access. I realized that beyond my CT26 and Kapex, and a bunch of battery chargers, I don't need that many, but you never know when you may need it!
Pierre
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K540S Blade Height Lock not working
New purchase k540s.?
the blade height mechanism is not working. It was loose from the factory and now it merely spins. Spoke with Felder and tried their recommendation but that did not work. Tried to re thread the rod which I was aboe to do but it still simply spins.?
anyone else have this problem?
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Designing and building for 50 years
?I have a slightly curved hardwood caul that works well between the Mac clamps for this type work.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
