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I have a cnc, but my use case if probably a little different than yours, but I chose the Lamello because of the following:
- I frequently assemble onsite, and need dust collection and versatility. - Lamello can be used on cabinet assembly, drawer boxes and face frames.? Lock Dowel works for the cabinet box and drawers, but (as far as I know) not face frame assembly. - Lamello can do both RTA (clamex) and glue/clamp(tenso) - this is especially helpful when assembling difficult to clamp shapes or large assemblies. - Lock Dowels were a little fiddly on bigger wall and tall cabinets - difficult to line up the pieces.? They work great for smaller cabinets that are easier to reach. -Lamello can do miters and hardwood assemblies
Andy,
I am not adverse to getting a Lamello but I already have the CNC. Would you please expand on why you prefer the Lamello?
?- Scott I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation. Thanks, -????????? Scott Hanna
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If you put a very small board or a cross-cut board under the Ironwood beam clamp, I can see where the rear piston of the beam clamp may want to push down more (since there's no material under that specific piston).? The system might try to torque the beam where the rear of the beam is leaning downwards.?? This may be why they did a split-beam design because most panels will clamp down just fine with the smaller forward beam.? If you have a long 8-9 foot panel, you can also use the longer rear beam.
I'm not sure, but in the video, it looks like the beam clamp might be sized for the bigger 3800 sliding table (149" or 12.4 feet).? I would check with Ironwood directly to make sure of the table length specification.
-Aaron
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Patrick,
I think you would have to be cutting a lot of veneer or thin panels to justify one of these. At that point you might want to consider a veneer saw. Myself I would not want to be taking something like that on and off. The Mac setup works just fine for what I am doing. For sure if cutting a lot of thin material this would be more convenient
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I have a cnc, but my use case if probably a little different than yours, but I chose the Lamello because of the following:
- I frequently assemble onsite, and need dust collection and versatility. - Lamello can be used on cabinet assembly, drawer boxes and face frames. ?Lock Dowel works for the cabinet box and drawers, but (as far as I know) not face frame assembly. - Lamello can do both RTA (clamex) and glue/clamp(tenso) - this is especially helpful when assembling difficult to clamp shapes or large assemblies. - Lock Dowels were a little fiddly on bigger wall and tall cabinets - difficult to line up the pieces. ?They work great for smaller cabinets that are easier to reach. -Lamello can do miters and hardwood assemblies
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On Feb 6, 2024, at 3:05 PM, Sawdust77 <rscotthanna@...> wrote:
Andy,
I am not adverse to getting a Lamello but I already have the CNC. Would you please expand on why you prefer the Lamello?
?- Scott I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation. Thanks, -????????? Scott Hanna
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Andy,
I am not adverse to getting a Lamello but I already have the CNC. Would you please expand on why you prefer the Lamello?
?- Scott
I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Yes, I agree with?Wade. LockDowel is for production shops with CNC making cabinets nonstop, not for hobbyists or small shops doing one or several cabinets a year. If you want to use it, you need to spend at least $2000 (router bits and connectors) to start.
You can use Lamello Zeta P2 to achieve the same goal, flat packing. Lamello connectors are more expensive than LockDowel, but you can get cheap alternatives (search Lamello Zeta P2, you can find the thread), cheaper than LockDowel. You can use Lamello Zeta P2 for other applications.
James
Sounds like you just need to own a CNC machine to use LockDowel.? Unfortunately I don¡¯t have one of them lying around! ????
Wade? ? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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I¡¯ve used them once. Bought a Lamello right after. I much prefer the Lamello.?
I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Sounds like you just need to own a CNC machine to use LockDowel. ?Unfortunately I don¡¯t have one of them lying around! ????
Wade?
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On Feb 6, 2024, at 11:21 AM, Sawdust77 <rscotthanna@...> wrote:
? I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Thanks for all the responses. Joe, i almost added to my original message that, "the only other time ive seen the clamp was on an auction for a T78, the goofy slider that didnt?bevel". I will search for some old brochures to see if i can find more information or specs. The Ironwood version looks like it has a split platen, but im not sure Martin's does. Is there a reason where this clamp would be inferior to the more typical two clamp setup--aka Mac's clamps. I feel like Mac's would be easier to setup for smaller workpieces and this beam clamp is obviously better for full panels. Any reason to avoid a clamp design like this? Obviously it will get in the way for situations where the workpiece is very tall--for me, im thinking?about the notch cuts on a maloof seat.?
Patrick
The Ironwood part number is:
61-300-32323
$4,000
Dave Davies
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:10?AM mac campshure via <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote: Yup simple as this old blog post.
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Designing and building for 50 years
?I have a slightly curved hardwood caul that works well between the Mac clamps for this type work.
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
I¡¯m hoping someone in the group has tried the product LockDowel or knows someone who has. () I am planning on building new kitchen cabinets and considering this product for assembly. My shop is absolutely jammed and I don¡¯t have room for assembled cabinets during the build and finishing stages. One big plus of this system is that I can spray and store everything flat and assemble just prior to installation.
Thanks,
-????????? Scott Hanna
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Re: Power Feed F348 electrical install
Imran,
I haven't yet installed the 110V outlet in the middle of my shop under the CF741 as I never found a usage for it. I did put a dozen such outlets on the walls around the shop for easy access. I realized that beyond my CT26 and Kapex, and a bunch of battery chargers, I don't need that many, but you never know when you may need it!
Pierre
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K540S Blade Height Lock not working
New purchase k540s.?
the blade height mechanism is not working. It was loose from the factory and now it merely spins. Spoke with Felder and tried their recommendation but that did not work. Tried to re thread the rod which I was aboe to do but it still simply spins.?
anyone else have this problem?
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Designing and building for 50 years
?I have a slightly curved hardwood caul that works well between the Mac clamps for this type work.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
Re: CMT Orange 8" Locked Dado Pro Blade Set
Response from Ridge Carbide on drilling pins holes in the CMT Dado Pro Set:
Normally, we don¡¯t have any issue modifying other manufacturer¡¯s blades. ? But this set already has a ¡°bunch¡± of holes in the plates and chippers and I¡¯m concerned that we couldn¡¯t clamp them securely AND what impact, if any, additional holes would have. ? Sorry, but we will have do decline.
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On Feb 6, 2024, at 8:08?AM, john adank via groups.io <lseap107@...> wrote:
? Looks like it would be about $275US for the set shipped to USA. ?Sure would be nice to have a metric set of dados and shims to fit a Felder. I¡¯m awaiting a response from Ridge Carbide to see if they would drill the pin holes in the dado set and shims. ?I may check around with some other saw shops to see if this is a possibility and the cost.
John Adank On Feb 5, 2024, at 10:30?AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? John,
It is about 193 USD from? in the UK. Not sure about?the shipping cost to the US though.
James On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:22?AM John WI < jnadank@...> wrote: It was for sale in Norway but they ship to the US. ?$375 for the 30mm bore set shipped to the US.? They only have 1 set in stock. ? ? John,
Where do you see the 30mm arbor version in the USA??
30mm arbor version is sold in Europe.?
James
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:31?AM john adank < lseap107@...> wrote: Where was the 30mm arbor size ordered from? I¡¯m seeing $309US for the 30mm arbor size set but I¡¯ve only looked at one web site. John Adank ? At $120, the new CMT dado stack is unbeatable. I do not know why anyone wants to buy the dado Stack from any other company.
Btw, the review from Taylor Tools is very good. I have to say the product review from Taylor Tools is trustworthy based on ,my experience.
James
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 9:55?AM john adank < lseap107@...> wrote: Infinity Tools has a somewhat similar design with their stacked dado set.? You can get an entire 3/4¡± stacked dado set on your arbor.? Unfortunately, no 30mm sized arbor and you would still have to drill pin holes and it¡¯s $329.90 and out of stock.? It has 2 full 1/4¡± chippers. I have the new CMT set which I set up on my Sawstop.? The 3/8¡± deep rabbit cuts I made were flat and little to no tear out but I had quite a bit of burning in the solid maple.? Mya e the burning was from my feed rate and the fact that¡¯s it¡¯s maple. Not sure if Infinity Tools could drill out a 30mm arbor hole and pins or not. I would definitely like to get one of these two dado stacks for the Felder. John Adank
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Photo of the 3/8¡± x 3/8¡± rabbit cut with new CMT Dado set
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I got the product email from Taylor Toolswork at 1PM today, but did not check it until now.?
Looks like it is a great alternative to get the dado capability on the slider. Basically, it can cut dado between 6mm to 20mm. It covers the range of Felder two dado cutters. It is only $120, already sold out.
Of course, you need to have the 30 mm arbor and 2 pin holes bored.
James
Re: CMT Orange 8" Locked Dado Pro Blade Set
Looks like it would be about $275US for the set shipped to USA. ?Sure would be nice to have a metric set of dados and shims to fit a Felder. I¡¯m awaiting a response from Ridge Carbide to see if they would drill the pin holes in the dado set and shims. ?I may check around with some other saw shops to see if this is a possibility and the cost.
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On Feb 5, 2024, at 10:30?AM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? John,
It is about 193 USD from? in the UK. Not sure about?the shipping cost to the US though.
James On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:22?AM John WI < jnadank@...> wrote: It was for sale in Norway but they ship to the US. ?$375 for the 30mm bore set shipped to the US.? They only have 1 set in stock. ? ? John,
Where do you see the 30mm arbor version in the USA??
30mm arbor version is sold in Europe.?
James
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:31?AM john adank < lseap107@...> wrote: Where was the 30mm arbor size ordered from? I¡¯m seeing $309US for the 30mm arbor size set but I¡¯ve only looked at one web site. John Adank ? At $120, the new CMT dado stack is unbeatable. I do not know why anyone wants to buy the dado Stack from any other company.
Btw, the review from Taylor Tools is very good. I have to say the product review from Taylor Tools is trustworthy based on ,my experience.
James
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 9:55?AM john adank < lseap107@...> wrote: Infinity Tools has a somewhat similar design with their stacked dado set.? You can get an entire 3/4¡± stacked dado set on your arbor.? Unfortunately, no 30mm sized arbor and you would still have to drill pin holes and it¡¯s $329.90 and out of stock.? It has 2 full 1/4¡± chippers. I have the new CMT set which I set up on my Sawstop.? The 3/8¡± deep rabbit cuts I made were flat and little to no tear out but I had quite a bit of burning in the solid maple.? Mya e the burning was from my feed rate and the fact that¡¯s it¡¯s maple. Not sure if Infinity Tools could drill out a 30mm arbor hole and pins or not. I would definitely like to get one of these two dado stacks for the Felder. John Adank
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Photo of the 3/8¡± x 3/8¡± rabbit cut with new CMT Dado set
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I got the product email from Taylor Toolswork at 1PM today, but did not check it until now.?
Looks like it is a great alternative to get the dado capability on the slider. Basically, it can cut dado between 6mm to 20mm. It covers the range of Felder two dado cutters. It is only $120, already sold out.
Of course, you need to have the 30 mm arbor and 2 pin holes bored.
James
Re: Power Feed F348 electrical install
Pierre, Your connections look good to me. If you do not have a 110 outlet near by that is not a bad idea. Before running air thru the shop I used a baby air compressor for clamps. Extra outlets never hurt. As I write this, all of your power comes from the same circuit, so maybe compressor is too big a load from startup current point of view but you get the point.
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On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:26?AM, pierre.bourassa via groups.io <pierre.bourassa@...> wrote: ?Thank you all for the precious info. I will simply install another electrical box using the same circuit as my machine on the floor to plug in the feeder. Now I need to figure out which wire goes where. In Canada, for 220V circuit, red and black are live and the ground is bare. In my box, I also have white for neutral - the electrician suggested me to install a 4 wire cable so that I could also have 110V near my machine in case in the future I may need it. The wires from the feeder are brown, yellow and blue... I would assume the right connection is black-brown, red-blue, then yellow to ground wire. I just wish Felder would provide some adequate installation instructions with their equipment!
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Re: Power Feed F348 electrical install
Thank you all for the precious info. I will simply install another electrical box using the same circuit as my machine on the floor to plug in the feeder. Now I need to figure out which wire goes where. In Canada, for 220V circuit, red and black are live and the ground is bare. In my box, I also have white for neutral - the electrician suggested me to install a 4 wire cable so that I could also have 110V near my machine in case in the future I may need it. The wires from the feeder are brown, yellow and blue... I would assume the right connection is black-brown, red-blue, then yellow to ground wire. I just wish Felder would provide some adequate installation instructions with their equipment!
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Re: Articulating Shop Light
For overhead dust collection boom arms or any boom arm where you want the most flexibility of positioning, that means an articulating boom arm. ?For articulating boom arms used for dust collection, the middle knuckle requires a lot attention to detail to have the best function as the hose must flex in both directions significantly and not kink or spring back etc. ?For an electrical cord only, not so challenging.
As for the mag mounted LED lights used for drill press, bandsaw etc, there was a recent discussion on Sawmillcreek.
I have a SuperNova and really like it. ?I purchased it some time ago and it seems like there are now quite a few inexpensive alternatives. ? I do not have reason to believe that any of them are as good as the SuperNova, but perhaps good enough and less expensive. ?Seems like for drill press or bandsaw task lighting, it would be way easier to mount dedicated LED lights than have an articulating boom arm, but that is just my 0.02.
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Re: Felder K 700 S comsidering.
I was planning to buy a K700 with just a few options when I was alerted by Imran on this group to a used machine in Texas. I had to make a fast decision, which was hard on such a large purchase, but I ended up with a $30k loaded KF700S for $15k. I had to drive down from STL and transport it, but I have family in Texas, so that wasn't a problem. I love the dual DROs, which I wouldn't have chosen had I specified a machine in my budget.?
I attended the Alpine workshop last spring, which I highly recommend. I'm currently about 30% done using the machine to build a whole new set of kitchen cabinets. That's helping me justify the purchase with my wife.
Bottom line, if you know what you want but have some flexibility, and are ready to move quickly, there are some good deals to be had. I'm extremely happy with my machine.?
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Re: Power Feed F348 electrical install
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On Feb 5, 2024, at 3:51?PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Hi Michael,
Per your private msg, please see the installation pics. BTW, I picked up the power after the master switch. There are provisions in my KF700 electrical cabinet that allow the wiring to go to the opening in the chassis.
On Feb 5, 2024, at 12:33?PM, Imran Malik <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? I installed an electrical outlet in the chassis of my KF700. Mounted inside the chassis the outlet sits flush with the outer surface of the chassis. Let me know if you would like a picture. On Feb 5, 2024, at 11:51?AM, pierre.bourassa via groups.io <pierre.bourassa@...> wrote: ?I finally received the tilting device for my power feeder last week. I had to grind a bit of the metal to allow one of the sides to fit into rail on the machine (I am surprised how poorly milled one of the side was, but at least I could fix it myself and avoid having to wait another 8 weeks to get it from Felder).
Si I just installed the F348 on my CF741S machine last weekend. All I need to do now is to plug it into the power. The motor plate says 230V and 3.5-3.7 A. My CF741 is connected using a wire I ran in a conduit under my workshop concrete floor that is connected to a 240V 30A circuit. The F348 only adds a few amps to the load and I wonder if it can be connected to the same circuit. Otherwise, I will need to run a new 240V circuit and it is going to be a mess since all my walls are covered with 1/2 in plywood, or maybe run it in the ceiling and drop it down to the feeder to avoid having a cable on the floor in the middle of shop. What do you think?
How do you guys connect your power feeders?
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imran