I also have two blue and one white ( about 5 years old ) 10-30 hp units and the buzzing sound isn't loud enough to remind me they are on.? When I do hear them I get hungry for bacon.
The newer ones must be worse although my wife claims I'm deaf.? Dave
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Ed. I¡¯m a bit surprised you didn¡¯t get stellar sales support when you called PP. ?Every encounter I¡¯ve had with them has been superb. ?
When I moved my shop from SFO to Portland, my PP took a 10-foot dive off the top of my forklift and landed upside down on my ShopCart panel cart. ?It bashed the crap out of the PP (the ShopCart did fine). ? ?I called PP and they asked me to send them some
photos, which I did, and then said ¡°send it to us, we¡¯ll fix it.¡± ? Looking inside, the main large printed circuit board was bent and cracked in the middle ?and the case was completely trashed. ? Photos:
The repaired unit came back within a week and cost all of $512 plus shipping ($240). ? Great service. ?That was in 2011, and it¡¯s been working fine since. ?PP has certainly grown a lot since then, and I¡¯m guessing the new sales guy doesn¡¯t have the same
customer dedication as the original founders. ? FYI, I do not have the noise issue others complain about. ?
Sorry if I confused you with the different wire specs on my drawing. ?I¡¯ve wired up so many shops now that keeping all the variations straight is taxing my small brain. ?Here¡¯s a photo of my wiring cart when I did the current shop.
In my current shop I have 1¡± EMT but I¡¯m running the 3-phase and two single-phase circuits in the same pipe. ?It¡¯s significantly more difficult to work with than 3/4¡± EMT - bending-wise that is. ?In other shops I have used 3/4¡± EMT which is sufficient
for four #6 THHN conductors. ?The wire size on my previously posted diagram is correct with respect to my current shop: ?#4 from sub panel to the PP, #6 throughout the shop, and #8 from the distribution blocks to the individual sockets for each machine. ?It¡¯s
overkill. ?I¡¯ve always considered disconnects at the machine only important if the machine is hard wired to the J-box - if the machine has a cord with a plug/socket at the mains connection, and disconnect is superfluous. Here is a photo of the enclosure containing
one of the distribution blocks mounted to the ceiling:
It would be difficult to access this to take photos of the inside, but it¡¯s nothing complex. ?Here¡¯s a video about the distribution blocks: ?.
? During installation, I pull all the wiring first, daisy-chaining from box to box leaving about 12¡± pigtails hanging loose, then attach the incoming #6 and outgoing #8 THHN wires to the distribution block first, then install the block to the back of the enclosure
with self-drilling sheet metal screws, then add the cover panel. ? It¡¯s much easier to make the #6 wire connections to the distribution blocks before the blocks are screwed to the back of the relatively tiny enclosure. ?
This photo is my current basement shop showing the main 200 Amp breaker panel on the left, and the 100 Amp sub-panel I added to the right of it, and the PP below. ?The black and orange Romex cables are a later 30 Amp 220VAC additions to support my welder
and mill/lathe, otherwise all the shop circuits are in EMT.
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David, thanks for the detailed specs on the components you used. Seeing that you didn¡¯t use a breaker anywhere on the output side makes me wonder if our local code would approve it as well. Do you have any photos to share of the mounted PP and possibly
one of the distribution boxes? Sometimes seeing the finished job fills in the nuances that I may miss while planning. FYI, your diagram shows #4-6 wire, but your description says #6-8. I¡¯m thinking 6-8 is correct?
The PT series only has a 10 and 20HP version now. So I¡¯m going to have to think hard about what I realistically might add in the future. I have no doubts the 10HP would run the 45z shaper with ease.
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Ed. I¡¯m a bit surprised you didn¡¯t get stellar sales support when you called PP. ?Every encounter I¡¯ve had with them has been superb. ? When I moved my shop from SFO to Portland, my PP took a 10-foot dive off the top of my forklift and landed upside down on my ShopCart panel cart. ?It bashed the crap out of the PP (the ShopCart did fine). ? ?I called PP and they asked me to send them some photos, which I did, and then said ¡°send it to us, we¡¯ll fix it.¡± ? Looking inside, the main large printed circuit board was bent and cracked in the middle ?and the case was completely trashed. ? Photos:
The repaired unit came back within a week and cost all of $512 plus shipping ($240). ? Great service. ?That was in 2011, and it¡¯s been working fine since. ?PP has certainly grown a lot since then, and I¡¯m guessing the new sales guy doesn¡¯t have the same customer dedication as the original founders. ? FYI, I do not have the noise issue others complain about. ?
Sorry if I confused you with the different wire specs on my drawing. ?I¡¯ve wired up so many shops now that keeping all the variations straight is taxing my small brain. ?Here¡¯s a photo of my wiring cart when I did the current shop.
In my current shop I have 1¡± EMT but I¡¯m running the 3-phase and two single-phase circuits in the same pipe. ?It¡¯s significantly more difficult to work with than 3/4¡± EMT - bending-wise that is. ?In other shops I have used 3/4¡± EMT which is sufficient for four #6 THHN conductors. ?The wire size on my previously posted diagram is correct with respect to my current shop: ?#4 from sub panel to the PP, #6 throughout the shop, and #8 from the distribution blocks to the individual sockets for each machine. ?It¡¯s overkill. ?I¡¯ve always considered disconnects at the machine only important if the machine is hard wired to the J-box - if the machine has a cord with a plug/socket at the mains connection, and disconnect is superfluous. Here is a photo of the enclosure containing one of the distribution blocks mounted to the ceiling:
It would be difficult to access this to take photos of the inside, but it¡¯s nothing complex. ?Here¡¯s a video about the distribution blocks: ?. ? During installation, I pull all the wiring first, daisy-chaining from box to box leaving about 12¡± pigtails hanging loose, then attach the incoming #6 and outgoing #8 THHN wires to the distribution block first, then install the block to the back of the enclosure with self-drilling sheet metal screws, then add the cover panel. ? It¡¯s much easier to make the #6 wire connections to the distribution blocks before the blocks are screwed to the back of the relatively tiny enclosure. ?
This photo is my current basement shop showing the main 200 Amp breaker panel on the left, and the 100 Amp sub-panel I added to the right of it, and the PP below. ?The black and orange Romex cables are a later 30 Amp 220VAC additions to support my welder and mill/lathe, otherwise all the shop circuits are in EMT.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
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https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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David, thanks for the detailed specs on the components you used. Seeing that you didn¡¯t use a breaker anywhere on the output side makes me wonder if our local code would approve it as well. Do you have any photos to share of the mounted PP and possibly one of the distribution boxes? Sometimes seeing the finished job fills in the nuances that I may miss while planning. FYI, your diagram shows #4-6 wire, but your description says #6-8. I¡¯m thinking 6-8 is correct?
The PT series only has a 10 and 20HP version now. So I¡¯m going to have to think hard about what I realistically might add in the future. I have no doubts the 10HP would run the 45z shaper with ease.
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I hope the new toroid quiet design is out by the time I'm ready to purchase next year!
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Regarding the comment " ...PT series only has a 10 and 20HP version now". The QT option is only available in the Performance series PT010, PT020 and PT030 models.? I only found out about this option after extensive discussion with their technical service department.? He finally revealed that they had a "QT" option when I was grilling them about the buzzing noise.?? The sales reps don't have a good understanding about this level of detail and didn't help at all with regards to how much noise the PP generates.? They pretty much just regurgitated the manual saying that the unit had a 75 decibel noise level (which is true only when the fans are running, but even they didn't realize that). The Performance series does NOT have a 15HP 230V model.? If you want a 15HP 230V model, you are limited to the mid level "Enterprise" series (i.e. PTE015).? It is my assumption that the QT option is not available on the "Enterprise" series because there is no space in the cabinet to add another inductor.? Picture example is here:  The Performance series has a much larger case and has room in the back section to add an inductor.? It is also rated for higher operating temperatures because the completely separate back section is a heat-sinked forced air cooling section (122 deg vs 104 deg for Enterprise).? The mid level Enterprise does have air cooling, but it's more of a recirculating air movement system, since all the components are shoe-horned into a single case area.
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Just got off the phone and the service disconnect switch doesn¡¯t damage anything by shutting it off when it is running.?
interestingly they are modifying the design to some sort of ¡°toroid¡± design which will make it far quieter and will be phasing out the quiet option. Still waiting to hear back about installing the quiet option in the field or if it has to be sent back.?
edit: you cannot install quiet option once it is shipped.?
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I also ordered the on/off switch and now only use the shut off switch which disconnects it from power because of the run time meter. Its good to hear that it doesnt affect it but I remember the day I left it on overnight and my horror when I saw it climb from 1.5 to 18 hours the next day. ?
I should ask if the terminal disconnect is bad for the PP, I sometimes use it instead of turning the machines off individually for convenience. Also on my martin tablesaw it coasts down instead of activating the brake which would make the brake last longer when I dont need it to stop quickly .?
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I have the 20 HP PP Enterprise. Sales rep did not tell me about the $430 quiet option. The unit does make an annoying noise. I ordered the auxiliary on/off switch, which is very convenient. The unit is silent and voltages on all three phases are cut when the switch is in the standby/off state, so there is no need to shut off the 125A breaker when the unit is not in use. The display on the PP remains active when the the switch is in the standby/off state. Annoying, the run time indicator keeps incrementing when the switch is off, so that the unit shows thousands of hours of "run time", when the actual on-state operating time is only a few hours. PP tech support said it is not possible to reconfigure the run time indicator to show only on-state operating time.? ?I was also told that no harm is done to the unit if it is cycled on and off with the auxiliary switch, so I only turn on the PP when I am actually using the Minimax TW55 ES shaper or FS52 ES J/P. This avoids much of the noise problem, since the PP noise is not as loud as the dust collection system.?
The PP also does not play well with some LED lighting (my LED shop lights are not affected). PP tech support provided information on a few possible ways to overcome this problem, but I have not bothered to go on that snipe hunt since the machines are only operated intermittently.?
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You would need a 30A breaker/fusing (or smaller) on 30A receptacle to meet code around here¡I¡¯m used to industrial equipment wiring and would most likely fuse.?
You¡¯re likely not going to catch anything on fire due to design margins, but it¡¯s not a good idea to do stuff like that.?
James
I'm a bit confused about receptacle sizing. The 10hp PP says max output of 36A. Using 30 amp receptacles without a 30amp breaker between the load and the PP has potential for the receptacle (and wiring sized for 30A) to overheat and catch fire right? Since the PP can do 36A continuous out, and an 80A single phase breaker can feed that into the PP without tripping (even a 70A breaker can support continuous 32A if my math is correct).
Am I wrong about something here?
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I ordered it with the lever to shut it off. I use it frequently and wouldn¡¯t be without it. I also got the better surge protection, which oddly doesnt come installed and when I went to install it, using a torque wrench for the first time, I mistook ftlbs for inlbs and sheared the bastard off. They wanted me to pay another $350 at PP but I called the manufacturer and they took pity on me and sold it for just $90 which i believe is their cost.?
I ordered from PP directly. ?It was cheapest that way at the time which was about a year ago.
Given this is on a residential property, I could only increase my panel to 400 amps which is split 200 for the shop and 200 for the house (all electrical appliances). This limited me to the pt020, which basically limits me to my 25¡± grizzly widebelt with the DC running (nederman s1000p). Oddly the DC is overkill at my current shop (bought it when I had employees in an industrial warehouse) but I wouldnt downgrade it while upgrading a widebelt. As such I utilize the cnc and rotex combo with minimal disappointment. ?I don¡¯t do plywood stuff that would require a larger widebelt.?
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Ed...I'm curious what you meant by "...PT series only has a 10 and 20HP version now". Their website shows that they have PT Performance models (what I have but didn't use to be called Performance) from 7.5 HP up to 75 HP in their 230V models.
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An update. Thanks for your comments and ideas. After thinking through it, I concluded that I don't have either the skills or equipment to safely install the fan myself, even with a helper or two. I contacted Felder again to schedule a service call to do the repair. It will be a few weeks but once it's done I'll report back and describe how they go about it.?
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If you have the amperage and money available, I'd look hard at the 20 hp unit.? A wide belt needs it and nice to not worry if the compressor kicks in when running a 10 hp motor.? Dave
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Taylor, yes they sell a quieter version. It¡¯s a $430 option. The sales guy was all but useless. He never offered up the option and only confirmed it when I asked. If it weren¡¯t for the search feature here, I¡¯d never have known to ask. Did you happen to
get any discounted pricing? Also, how do you turn it off? With a breaker or the optional on/off switch.
David, thanks for the detailed specs on the components you used. Seeing that you didn¡¯t use a breaker anywhere on the output side makes me wonder if our local code would approve it as well. Do you have any photos to share of the mounted PP and possibly one
of the distribution boxes? Sometimes seeing the finished job fills in the nuances that I may miss while planning. FYI, your diagram shows #4-6 wire, but your description says #6-8. I¡¯m thinking 6-8 is correct?
The PT series only has a 10 and 20HP version now. So I¡¯m going to have to think hard about what I realistically might add in the future. I have no doubts the 10HP would run the 45z shaper with ease.
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I'm a bit confused about receptacle sizing. The 10hp PP says max output of 36A. Using 30 amp receptacles without a 30amp breaker between the load and the PP has potential for the receptacle (and wiring sized for 30A) to overheat and catch fire right? Since the PP can do 36A continuous out, and an 80A single phase breaker can feed that into the PP without tripping (even a 70A breaker can support continuous 32A if my math is correct).
Am I wrong about something here?
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Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood
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Taylor, yes they sell a quieter version. It¡¯s a $430 option. The sales guy was all but useless. He never offered up the option and only confirmed it when I asked. If it weren¡¯t for the search feature here, I¡¯d never have known to ask. Did you happen to get any discounted pricing? Also, how do you turn it off? With a breaker or the optional on/off switch.
David, thanks for the detailed specs on the components you used. Seeing that you didn¡¯t use a breaker anywhere on the output side makes me wonder if our local code would approve it as well. Do you have any photos to share of the mounted PP and possibly one of the distribution boxes? Sometimes seeing the finished job fills in the nuances that I may miss while planning. FYI, your diagram shows #4-6 wire, but your description says #6-8. I¡¯m thinking 6-8 is correct?
The PT series only has a 10 and 20HP version now. So I¡¯m going to have to think hard about what I realistically might add in the future. I have no doubts the 10HP would run the 45z shaper with ease.
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They sell a Qt version!? On the pt020? ?Good grief I would have loved to know that when I bought it. The buzz is so annoying. It does not cut through my machines with the music on but with just music it is torture. It does however get me to shut it off immediately so I guess that is a good thing. Otherwise I would let it run for a few hours more per day. I am going to see if I can add it after the fact.?
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I have a 30 HP Phase Perfect that feeds several panels in the shop for my Felder RL 160 dust extractor, FB 710 bandsaw, AD 941 J/P, and 15 HP vacuum pump for my ShopSabre. I may add a wide belt to the shop at some point as well in future. l.? 
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Looks like it has the facing cutter on the fence too.? Those are usually missing.? Hope it makers it intact.? Machinery Max has a horrible reputation for shipping prep.? Dave
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 4:59 PM habacomike via Groups.Io <habacomike= [email protected]> wrote:
So, it seems that Mac has a bunch of really amazing equipment.? Who here, besides me, would like a shop tour like Joel¡¯s?
Mike
Dave,
that thing looks like it¡¯s built like a beast did you buy that from Darcy? He had one for sale and dropped the price not too long ago, Felder is replacing my J/P but it is taking so long I was thinking just getting the cash back and moving on, reality is that
bauerle is just too much machine for me right now, in the next 10 years I will be coming into some money and a full shop building and equipment upgrade will be on order...
Regards, Mark
On Dec 21, 2019, at 10:40 AM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
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Griggio made that JP for Martin but now I see that Robland provides machines so I wonder if the relationship has changed.? I believe Griggio still makes the machine.? I just bought a Bauerle
HCH63 so I'll have a J/P for the storage building.? It will be interesting to see how it is built.? Dave
I¡¯m with Marty - so much to learn by touring other shops. Bill I love the wood floor adds so much to a space to work in, reminds me of my work spaces I had early on in old factory loft spaces, and Joel love the organization, I am trying to get
there but sadly it will be a long time...
Also wondering about that Martin J/P, how do you like? Curious on the lead time and cost?
Regards, Mark
On Dec 21, 2019, at 9:40 AM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote:
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Beautiful shops, Bill and Joel!? I could watch shop tours all day long.? Thanks for sharing.
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Here's my shop in Maine...
Building a new one in Vail Arizona in a 2+1 car garage. Sure gonna miss the space....
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 3:54 PM Patrick Kane < pwk5017@...> wrote:
Yeah, very nice shop tour. Im a sucker for an extraordinarily well equipped shop in a low volume setting. Heck, I hope to have the same or similar one day!
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John,
Dr. Joel has the best machines :) It is? Langzauner?Edge?Sander. Here below is the email he sent before.
James?
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Regarding anyone with interest in Martin machines and the use of Mac Clamps, I have that setup with the T-70.? If anyone is ever interested in coming to my shop (just a bit south of LAX airport) to see
the machine in use, no problem!? The picture in the earlier post shows the Martin MitreX attachment.? I do not have that but was wondering if that would be of value. ? I also have the Lamb parallel fence.? I will soon be getting an upgrade to my Mac Clamp
system to facilitate moving the back clamp to a position in front of the fence when using parallel fences with the MacClamps for certain cuts along with custom Fritz-Franz jigs.?
Also, if anyone is interested in the T-12 or TP-300, Langzauner?Edge?Sander?or Felder 1102 Widebelt, happy to demo.
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It will be interesting to see if he gets the work or if this is just for YouTube hits. The video is strange in that he is going to quote the job yet it turns into a shop tour. My favourite part was the edge sander with the conveyor belt. I couldn't see what
the make was, anyone know what it is? Got to love these guys with retirement money, they are keeping the European woodworking machinery?going with their extravagance. The comment section is interesting as always.
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Thought you might be interested.
Just saw this video and recognised Mac's clamps in this dream workshop in California.
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There is a? BauerleJointer up for auction on machinery max Dave Davies
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 4:59 PM habacomike via Groups.Io <habacomike= [email protected]> wrote: So, it seems that Mac has a bunch of really amazing equipment.? Who here, besides me, would like a shop tour like Joel¡¯s?
Mike
Dave, that thing looks like it¡¯s built like a beast did you buy that from Darcy? He had one for sale and dropped the price not too long ago, Felder is replacing my J/P but it is taking so long I was thinking just getting the cash back and moving on, reality is that bauerle is just too much machine for me right now, in the next 10 years I will be coming into some money and a full shop building and equipment upgrade will be on order...Regards, Mark On Dec 21, 2019, at 10:40 AM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
? Griggio made that JP for Martin but now I see that Robland provides machines so I wonder if the relationship has changed.? I believe Griggio still makes the machine.? I just bought a Bauerle HCH63 so I'll have a J/P for the storage building.? It will be interesting to see how it is built.? Dave
I¡¯m with Marty - so much to learn by touring other shops. Bill I love the wood floor adds so much to a space to work in, reminds me of my work spaces I had early on in old factory loft spaces, and Joel love the organization, I am trying to get there but sadly it will be a long time...
Also wondering about that Martin J/P, how do you like? Curious on the lead time and cost? Regards, Mark On Dec 21, 2019, at 9:40 AM, marty shultz <azmartys@...> wrote:
? Beautiful shops, Bill and Joel!? I could watch shop tours all day long.? Thanks for sharing. ? ? Here's my shop in Maine... Building a new one in Vail Arizona in a 2+1 car garage. Sure gonna miss the space.... ? On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 3:54 PM Patrick Kane < pwk5017@...> wrote: Yeah, very nice shop tour. Im a sucker for an extraordinarily well equipped shop in a low volume setting. Heck, I hope to have the same or similar one day! ? John, Dr. Joel has the best machines :) It is? Langzauner?Edge?Sander. Here below is the email he sent before. James? ? | Sat, Jun 2, 2018, 3:24 PM | | ? | |
Regarding anyone with interest in Martin machines and the use of Mac Clamps, I have that setup with the T-70.? If anyone is ever interested in coming to my shop (just a bit south of LAX airport) to see the machine in use, no problem!? The picture in the earlier post shows the Martin MitreX attachment.? I do not have that but was wondering if that would be of value. ? I also have the Lamb parallel fence.? I will soon be getting an upgrade to my Mac Clamp system to facilitate moving the back clamp to a position in front of the fence when using parallel fences with the MacClamps for certain cuts along with custom Fritz-Franz jigs.? Also, if anyone is interested in the T-12 or TP-300, Langzauner?Edge?Sander?or Felder 1102 Widebelt, happy to demo. ? It will be interesting to see if he gets the work or if this is just for YouTube hits. The video is strange in that he is going to quote the job yet it turns into a shop tour. My favourite part was the edge sander with the conveyor belt. I couldn't see what the make was, anyone know what it is? Got to love these guys with retirement money, they are keeping the European woodworking machinery?going with their extravagance. The comment section is interesting as always. ? Hi All
Thought you might be interested.
Just saw this video and recognised Mac's clamps in this dream workshop in California.
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I don¡¯t know if this is relevant on my ?25 ¡° Okoma JP it only has a7.5 hp main cutterhead motor it has reduced voltage starter Same as my larger shaper , you turn the switch on 1/2 way when the big ass 5¡± ?cutterhead starts ramping up to 6000 rpm when it sounds good you turn switch all the way on for heavy loads I like this set up. mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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? Ed, ? A 20HP Phase Perfect may be overkill for your needs.??Paul provided the load handling curves earlier, but practical experience suggests to me that a 15HP unit will probably be more than sufficient unless you are planning on a huge WB in the future.?? ? I have the older model 10HP Phase Perfect?connected to the shop single-phases load center via a 70 Amp breaker and #6 THHN wire in MT conduit.??The wiring to the 3-phase equipment is all #8 THHN in EMT. ?I have a 10HP Kappa 400 xMotion saw, 10HP Profil 45 shaper, 5.5HP RL160 dust extractor, 13 HP Dual 51 J/P, 7.5HP widebelt sander. ? ? The most demanding load is running the Dual 51, planning wide hardwoods at significant depths of cut, pushed to max feed rates.??My Dual 51 has the Tersa head, so I would expect the power demands are considerably higher than a spiral cutterblock, or even a larger tilt/turn cutterstack on the 13HP Profil 45. ? In real-world experience with this setup, I have surfaced 18¡± wide cherry at 4mm depth of cut with the RL160 also going, and the Phase Perfect handles it just fine.??I could even run the Kappa 400 in parallel for modest cutting.??All this with the 10HP Phase Perfect. ? My 3-phase shop wiring setup is shown below.??This is the 4th?shop I have wired in this fashion.??I am not an electrician, but this type of setup has been 100 percent trouble free in all my shops.??As you can see, I didn¡¯t not employ disconnects or breakers (other than the plugs) downstream from the Phase Perfect.??I'm sure there are lots of licensed electricians would love to take pot-shots at this setup, but this setup was done under permit and passed local building inspector in Portland OR, and San Rafael CA.
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On Jul 20, 2023, at 1:58 PM, Ed Mazuronis via groups.io <egmiii@...> wrote:
I spoke to a sales rep at PP today. Wasn¡¯t very talkative, but really pushed the PT020 over the PTE020. Said they have zero problems with the PT vs PTE in motor starting.?
Did anyone here order the on off switch? I tend to work mostly on weekends and don¡¯t want it drawing 80 watts around the clock. I was just going to kill the breaker feeding it each time, but figured the on off switch would do the same job and would save wear and tear on the breaker (which technically shouldn¡¯t be used as a switch). Just wanted to make sure the internal switch actually stopped it from drawing any idle power before I add it on. Also planned to order the ¡°quiet¡± QT option since this is in my basement shop.
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Ed, ? A 20HP Phase Perfect may be overkill for your needs.??Paul provided the load handling curves earlier, but practical experience suggests to me that a 15HP unit will probably be more than sufficient unless you are planning on a huge WB in the future.?? ? I have the older model 10HP Phase Perfect?connected to the shop single-phases load center via a 70 Amp breaker and #6 THHN wire in MT conduit.??The wiring to the 3-phase equipment is all #8 THHN in EMT. ?I have a 10HP Kappa 400 xMotion saw, 10HP Profil 45 shaper, 5.5HP RL160 dust extractor, 13 HP Dual 51 J/P, 7.5HP widebelt sander. ? ? The most demanding load is running the Dual 51, planning wide hardwoods at significant depths of cut, pushed to max feed rates.??My Dual 51 has the Tersa head, so I would expect the power demands are considerably higher than a spiral cutterblock, or even a larger tilt/turn cutterstack on the 13HP Profil 45. ? In real-world experience with this setup, I have surfaced 18¡± wide cherry at 4mm depth of cut with the RL160 also going, and the Phase Perfect handles it just fine.??I could even run the Kappa 400 in parallel for modest cutting.??All this with the 10HP Phase Perfect. ? My 3-phase shop wiring setup is shown below.??This is the 4th?shop I have wired in this fashion.??I am not an electrician, but this type of setup has been 100 percent trouble free in all my shops.??As you can see, I didn¡¯t not employ disconnects or breakers (other than the plugs) downstream from the Phase Perfect.??I'm sure there are lots of licensed electricians would love to take pot-shots at this setup, but this setup was done under permit and passed local building inspector in Portland OR, and San Rafael CA.
David Best
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On Jul 20, 2023, at 1:58 PM, Ed Mazuronis via groups.io <egmiii@...> wrote:
I spoke to a sales rep at PP today. Wasn¡¯t very talkative, but really pushed the PT020 over the PTE020. Said they have zero problems with the PT vs PTE in motor starting.?
Did anyone here order the on off switch? I tend to work mostly on weekends and don¡¯t want it drawing 80 watts around the clock. I was just going to kill the breaker feeding it each time, but figured the on off switch would do the same job and would save wear and tear on the breaker (which technically shouldn¡¯t be used as a switch). Just wanted to make sure the internal switch actually stopped it from drawing any idle power before I add it on. Also planned to order the ¡°quiet¡± QT option since this is in my basement shop.
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