Re: A3-31 setup and calibration
Hi Richard, as I indicated it's to provide proper support to the knives and maintain the MAN rating of the head.........Regards, Rod.
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Felder Silent Power Dado 6.3-20mm
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Hello,
I sold my K700s a little while back and the buyer had no interest in these. They were lightly used in a hobbyist shop, and the carbide has never been rotated. 800$ shipped anywhere in the continental US.
Happy to answer any questions or send more photos.?
Thanks for looking,
Todd Bretl
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Re: Update on Martin T32 Jointer/Planer
PK I had similar experience with my SCM S7, If I setup the speed and infeed/outfeed pneumatic pressure correctly, there will be no marks even at 0.1mm, also, if I feed the stock against the grain, there wont be tear out. its magical.?
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Re: A3-31 setup and calibration
Thanks. The document is perfectly matched to my almost 20 year old a3-31 and I'm glad to have it because of the detail it provides.
I was just curious about why it is so specific about the cutterhead to outfeed height difference since I haven't seen that level of specificity in other jointers I've worked with (I am admittedly working with a very small sample size). Especially since setting the knife height is a separate step. Brian's answer about potentially making the blades weaker/prone to chatter made sense to me. ?
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Re: Update on Martin T32 Jointer/Planer
They had the Hofmann J/P and two shapers at IWF in 2020.? Utterly beautiful!? (not cheap!) They had signed up too late for a booth on the main machinery floor, so were located more obscurely amongst the cabinet/finishing area.? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of joelgelman via groups.io Sent: Monday, May 15, 2023 12:58 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Update on Martin T32 Jointer/Planer ? On the TP300, which should be extremely similar to the T32, it is only when the planer table is lowered to over 5.5 inches or so that the part as shown in the yellow area of the attached photo will not hit the planer table as you lower the flip up jointer tables. ?A nice feature for sure to be able to not have to lower the planer table to use it as a jointer.
As for high end JPs....?
.... the most interesting to me is the Hofmann (see links). ?I do not believe it is UL listed and I do not think one has never been sold in the United States (I could be mistaken). ?I have never seen one. ?However, interesting that it seems you can go from jointer to planer without raising the table.
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Re: Felder ¡°Technical Support¡± is a bad joke
Gerry, I've forwarded your post to a contact at Felder USA, hopefully you receive a call or email from them........Regards, Rod.
P.S. With so many people at Ligna it may take a few days for a response.
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Re: A3-31 setup and calibration
Hi, that's a document that's almost 20 years old. If you're trying to setup a machine with the cartridge knife system (what this document is intended for) then it needs to be set correctly to that specification.
This ensures that the knife carriers are in the correct location in the cutterhead, with proper support for the knives. (The head is MAN rated if adjusted properly)
Once you have the cutterhead to outfeed table height set correctly, you then adjust the knife carriers for the correct knife projection above the outfeed table.
If you're doing a Silent Power spiral head adjustment you set the cutters 0.01 to 0.04mm above the outfeed table at hinge and operators side.
Regards, Rod.
Regards, Rod.
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Yes Joe,
Rudy is his name.? He told me recently about moving a huge piece of lead that was part of a sailboat keel.? Sounded like quite an adventure!
Marlowe?
Marlowe,
I learned a lot from your unpacking of the Panhans.? Mac¡¯s crating was excellent and the way he used lumber to secure the pieces parts in the crate was revelatory for me. ?
Your rigging friend made moving that heavy jointer off the pallet easy.? I had a hard time believing how easily he could safely move the machine with simple tools and lots of experience.? Was his name Rudy?
Joe
? BTW, I? bought the Panhans from Mac.? One of my best machinery purchases, and certainly the best freight prep ever...
Marlowe? On Tue, May 16, 2023, 8:27 AM Marlowe McGraw via <marlomcgraw= [email protected]> wrote: Joe,
I found the M42 Tersa knives to be disappointing as well.? I bought carbide to replace them.
I could not part with my marvelous Panhans jointer but an stuck with straight knives there.? I mostly run carbide knives there, but even those knick even though I strive to remove as much debris as possible.?
I would welcome a Tersa head there, but don't know if custom heads are available even if I could stomach the down time of a measurement/reinstall and wait for completion.?
Marlowe
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So, I'm hearing that the Minimax FS41ES and FS52ES have the excellent parallelogram jointer design.?? How do the lower end FS41E / FS41C range compare?? Does anyone know?
-Aaron
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Marlowe,
I learned a lot from your unpacking of the Panhans. ?Mac¡¯s crating was excellent and the way he used lumber to secure the pieces parts in the crate was revelatory for me. ?
Your rigging friend made moving that heavy jointer off the pallet easy. ?I had a hard time believing how easily he could safely move the machine with simple tools and lots of experience. ?Was his name Rudy?
Joe
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On May 16, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Marlowe McGraw <marlomcgraw@...> wrote:
? BTW, I? bought the Panhans from Mac.? One of my best machinery purchases, and certainly the best freight prep ever...
Marlowe? On Tue, May 16, 2023, 8:27 AM Marlowe McGraw via <marlomcgraw= [email protected]> wrote: Joe,
I found the M42 Tersa knives to be disappointing as well.? I bought carbide to replace them.
I could not part with my marvelous Panhans jointer but an stuck with straight knives there.? I mostly run carbide knives there, but even those knick even though I strive to remove as much debris as possible.?
I would welcome a Tersa head there, but don't know if custom heads are available even if I could stomach the down time of a measurement/reinstall and wait for completion.?
Marlowe
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yeah, I have the same impression that SCM's J/P and CNC shaper is better than Felder's. If I were to upgrade, for sure I would buy SCM.
James
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:26?AM David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Nice summary PK! Thanks. All this positive talk about SCM makes me wonder whether I should be looking more closely at that marquee for future purchases.
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Boy,
I stopped reading this when it got good!
In order - all in different machines:
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I had a byrd head smaller diameter, It was OK.
-
I had a silent power head, it was significantly better than the byrd head.
-
I had a tersa head, It was a bit louder than the silent power, but not much.? Some issues with complex grain, but a great finish overall.
-
I have a Xylent head now and seems like it is a good as the Silent power head.
The Tersa head was a COST option on my SCM.? About the same cost as the Xylent head.
If I would have had experience with the Tersa head before I ordered the SCM the choice would have been more difficult.
As a home shop, for me, two things do matter.? The quieter the better for my neighbors (although they have never complained) and the smaller chips in the dust collector makes it easier to dispose of it in my trash cans.
But for me to rationalize cost and/or labor hours over a cutterhead as a one man shop is a difficult exercise.? I am spending thousands of dollars on tooling for cope and stick doors that I may never amortize.
I do this to enjoy my time, and I enjoy listening to all of you!
Have an amazing night!
PK??
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Marlowe,
Mac is Meister quality in all his dealings!
Joe
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BTW, I? bought the Panhans from Mac.? One of my best machinery purchases, and certainly the best freight prep ever...
Marlowe?
On Tue, May 16, 2023, 8:27 AM Marlowe McGraw via <marlomcgraw= [email protected]> wrote: Joe,
I found the M42 Tersa knives to be disappointing as well.? I bought carbide to replace them.
I could not part with my marvelous Panhans jointer but an stuck with straight knives there.? I mostly run carbide knives there, but even those knick even though I strive to remove as much debris as possible.?
I would welcome a Tersa head there, but don't know if custom heads are available even if I could stomach the down time of a measurement/reinstall and wait for completion.?
Marlowe?
I¡¯ve been using Tersa in my jointer, planer and S4S machine for over 20 years now. Architectural woodwork, doors and windows. It¡¯s great for that and would not change for that type work. I do think the spirals are better for figured wood and if I had a steady diet of that would consider the spiral. With the Tersa I have good luck with difficult grain by slowing the feed down. I played around with the Martin jointer with a spiral at IWF and liked the finish coming off that. Not planning any upgrades in my future but would certainly consider spiral if I were.
A couple local shops here have the top end SCM and Martin spirals and both are happy campers with those. In my work the M42 Tersa was just not holding up and have ended up using coated and carbide tersa. My favorites have been from Leitz and the coated Kanafusa knives. The carbides can be resharpened (not cheaply) and that extends the life.
At present I have carbide in the jointer but because of hand feeding they are a little blunt and going back to coated HSS in that one. I have always run 2 knives in the 4 knife heads. Don¡¯t know what the shavings look like as I never see them.
With carbide in the S4S machine I can run 8 to12 thousand LF before turning the knives. Without any nicks.
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Joe,
I found the M42 Tersa knives to be disappointing as well.? I bought carbide to replace them.
I could not part with my marvelous Panhans jointer but an stuck with straight knives there.? I mostly run carbide knives there, but even those knick even though I strive to remove as much debris as possible.?
I would welcome a Tersa head there, but don't know if custom heads are available even if I could stomach the down time of a measurement/reinstall and wait for completion.?
Marlowe?
I¡¯ve been using Tersa in my jointer, planer and S4S machine for over 20 years now. Architectural woodwork, doors and windows. It¡¯s great for that and would not change for that type work. I do think the spirals are better for figured wood and if I had a steady diet of that would consider the spiral. With the Tersa I have good luck with difficult grain by slowing the feed down. I played around with the Martin jointer with a spiral at IWF and liked the finish coming off that. Not planning any upgrades in my future but would certainly consider spiral if I were.
A couple local shops here have the top end SCM and Martin spirals and both are happy campers with those. In my work the M42 Tersa was just not holding up and have ended up using coated and carbide tersa. My favorites have been from Leitz and the coated Kanafusa knives. The carbides can be resharpened (not cheaply) and that extends the life.
At present I have carbide in the jointer but because of hand feeding they are a little blunt and going back to coated HSS in that one. I have always run 2 knives in the 4 knife heads. Don¡¯t know what the shavings look like as I never see them.
With carbide in the S4S machine I can run 8 to12 thousand LF before turning the knives. Without any nicks.
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    Designing and building for 50 years
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On May 16, 2023, at 8:17 AM, mac campshure <mac512002@...> wrote:
? Old school here? A couple years ago I sold a few machines to a co in NY . I couldn¡¯t locate the info on the polish machine at the time .? I found it yesterday and sending out to jim.? I have owned a lot of jointer over the years this DSZA was a favorite . They are Nathan¡¯s if you can find . My Okoma 630 is know my favorite . They all have 2 knife 6000 rpm¡¯s, I have a 25¡± set up fixture for knife set that makes the task simple . Always have a back up set .? Newer planner favorites EMA 630 all time hands down favorite Buss 40¡±. mac,,,
Designing and building for 50 years On May 16, 2023, at 7:58 AM, Joe Calhoon via groups.io <joecalhoon@...> wrote:
?I¡¯ve been using Tersa in my jointer, planer and S4S machine for over 20 years now. Architectural woodwork, doors and windows. It¡¯s great for that and would not change for that type work. I do think the spirals are better for figured wood and if I had a steady diet of that would consider the spiral. With the Tersa I have good luck with difficult grain by slowing the feed down. I played around with the Martin jointer with a spiral at IWF and liked the finish coming off that. Not planning any upgrades in my future but would certainly consider spiral if I were.
A couple local shops here have the top end SCM and Martin spirals and both are happy campers with those. In my work the M42 Tersa was just not holding up and have ended up using coated and carbide tersa. My favorites have been from Leitz and the coated Kanafusa knives. The carbides can be resharpened (not cheaply) and that extends the life.
At present I have carbide in the jointer but because of hand feeding they are a little blunt and going back to coated HSS in that one. I have always run 2 knives in the 4 knife heads. Don¡¯t know what the shavings look like as I never see them.
With carbide in the S4S machine I can run 8 to12 thousand LF before turning the knives. Without any nicks.
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Old school here? A couple years ago I sold a few machines to a co in NY . I couldn¡¯t locate the info on the polish machine at the time .? I found it yesterday and sending out to jim.? I have owned a lot of jointer over the years this DSZA was a favorite . They are Nathan¡¯s if you can find . My Okoma 630 is know my favorite . They all have 2 knife 6000 rpm¡¯s, I have a 25¡± set up fixture for knife set that makes the task simple . Always have a back up set .? Newer planner favorites EMA 630 all time hands down favorite Buss 40¡±. mac,,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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On May 16, 2023, at 7:58 AM, Joe Calhoon via groups.io <joecalhoon@...> wrote:
?I¡¯ve been using Tersa in my jointer, planer and S4S machine for over 20 years now. Architectural woodwork, doors and windows. It¡¯s great for that and would not change for that type work. I do think the spirals are better for figured wood and if I had a steady diet of that would consider the spiral. With the Tersa I have good luck with difficult grain by slowing the feed down. I played around with the Martin jointer with a spiral at IWF and liked the finish coming off that. Not planning any upgrades in my future but would certainly consider spiral if I were.
A couple local shops here have the top end SCM and Martin spirals and both are happy campers with those. In my work the M42 Tersa was just not holding up and have ended up using coated and carbide tersa. My favorites have been from Leitz and the coated Kanafusa knives. The carbides can be resharpened (not cheaply) and that extends the life.
At present I have carbide in the jointer but because of hand feeding they are a little blunt and going back to coated HSS in that one. I have always run 2 knives in the 4 knife heads. Don¡¯t know what the shavings look like as I never see them.
With carbide in the S4S machine I can run 8 to12 thousand LF before turning the knives. Without any nicks.
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I¡¯ve been using Tersa in my jointer, planer and S4S machine for over 20 years now. Architectural woodwork, doors and windows. It¡¯s great for that and would not change for that type work. I do think the spirals are better for figured wood and if I had a steady diet of that would consider the spiral. With the Tersa I have good luck with difficult grain by slowing the feed down. I played around with the Martin jointer with a spiral at IWF and liked the finish coming off that. Not planning any upgrades in my future but would certainly consider spiral if I were.
A couple local shops here have the top end SCM and Martin spirals and both are happy campers with those. In my work the M42 Tersa was just not holding up and have ended up using coated and carbide tersa. My favorites have been from Leitz and the coated Kanafusa knives. The carbides can be resharpened (not cheaply) and that extends the life.
At present I have carbide in the jointer but because of hand feeding they are a little blunt and going back to coated HSS in that one. I have always run 2 knives in the 4 knife heads. Don¡¯t know what the shavings look like as I never see them.
With carbide in the S4S machine I can run 8 to12 thousand LF before turning the knives. Without any nicks.
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I have two planers, both with 125mm cutting circle.? ?I recently replaced the standard head, which I ran both solid carbide knives and Esta knives, with a Byrd Shelix.? The cut quality is superb.? As others have noted, I may see a reduction after resin build up/rotation, time will tell. I
My other planer has a Tersa head.? It provides a great finish but with more tear out in figured woods (which I use often).
In my world,? removal of tear out can eat up fair amount time and should be considered in the choice.? The rapid shift of knives in the Tersa is a great plus, as we all know knives knick before they require sharpening or replacement.?
The Byrd helps immensely in reducing the frequency of my most dreaded task, emptying dust drums.? The planer shavings drop into a pair of 55 gallon drums, but it's still far too often..?
I am so aggravated by the whole process that I bought a three bag Dustek collector that I will place outside and connect only to the jointer and planers.
Marlowe McGraw?
On Tue, May 16, 2023, 1:26 AM David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Nice summary PK! Thanks. All this positive talk about SCM makes me wonder whether I should be looking more closely at that marquee for future purchases.
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Boy,
I stopped reading this when it got good!
In order - all in different machines:
-
I had a byrd head smaller diameter, It was OK.
-
I had a silent power head, it was significantly better than the byrd head.
-
I had a tersa head, It was a bit louder than the silent power, but not much.? Some issues with complex grain, but a great finish overall.
-
I have a Xylent head now and seems like it is a good as the Silent power head.
The Tersa head was a COST option on my SCM.? About the same cost as the Xylent head.
If I would have had experience with the Tersa head before I ordered the SCM the choice would have been more difficult.
As a home shop, for me, two things do matter.? The quieter the better for my neighbors (although they have never complained) and the smaller chips in the dust collector makes it easier to dispose of it in my trash cans.
But for me to rationalize cost and/or labor hours over a cutterhead as a one man shop is a difficult exercise.? I am spending thousands of dollars on tooling for cope and stick doors that I may never amortize.
I do this to enjoy my time, and I enjoy listening to all of you!
Have an amazing night!
PK??
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Nice summary PK! Thanks. All this positive talk about SCM makes me wonder whether I should be looking more closely at that marquee for future purchases.
?
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Boy,
I stopped reading this when it got good!
In order - all in different machines:
-
I had a byrd head smaller diameter, It was OK.
-
I had a silent power head, it was significantly better than the byrd head.
-
I had a tersa head, It was a bit louder than the silent power, but not much.? Some issues with complex grain, but a great finish overall.
-
I have a Xylent head now and seems like it is a good as the Silent power head.
The Tersa head was a COST option on my SCM.? About the same cost as the Xylent head.
If I would have had experience with the Tersa head before I ordered the SCM the choice would have been more difficult.
As a home shop, for me, two things do matter.? The quieter the better for my neighbors (although they have never complained) and the smaller chips in the dust collector makes it easier to dispose of it in my trash cans.
But for me to rationalize cost and/or labor hours over a cutterhead as a one man shop is a difficult exercise.? I am spending thousands of dollars on tooling for cope and stick doors that I may never amortize.
I do this to enjoy my time, and I enjoy listening to all of you!
Have an amazing night!
PK??
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Boy, I stopped reading this when it got good! In order - all in different machines:
- I had a byrd head smaller diameter, It was OK.
- I had a silent power head, it was significantly better than the byrd head.
- I had a tersa head, It was a bit louder than the silent power, but not much.? Some issues with complex grain, but a great finish overall.
- I have a Xylent head now and seems like it is a good as the Silent power head.
The Tersa head was a COST option on my SCM.? About the same cost as the Xylent head. If I would have had experience with the Tersa head before I ordered the SCM the choice would have been more difficult. As a home shop, for me, two things do matter.? The quieter the better for my neighbors (although they have never complained) and the smaller chips in the dust collector makes it easier to dispose of it in my trash cans. But for me to rationalize cost and/or labor hours over a cutterhead as a one man shop is a difficult exercise.? I am spending thousands of dollars on tooling for cope and stick doors that I may never amortize. I do this to enjoy my time, and I enjoy listening to all of you! Have an amazing night! PK??
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