Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
Pleasure David. Yes, we are agreed.
I¡¯ve had the reciprocating piston for about 3 years now ¡ª it might have slipped your mind ¡ª and financially very disappointing. The sales persons (across many brands) perpetuating the idea that vanes and screws are good for woodworkers because
they are so quiet, reliable and efficient, are speaking in utter ignorance. Such machines need to be run semi-continuously to avoid water build-up in the vanes/screw, which results in corrosion and failure after a couple of years. It was a $10k AUD education
for me. ??
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Thanks Lucky. ?Good info. ?You and I completely agree about your summary points, namely:
- Felder machinery represent excellent value,?not?excellent machines
- The Kappa 400 x-motion is a beautiful slider that actually holds its calibration
- The Dual 51 will not hold calibration on the hinged tables
I¡¯m sorry to hear you had to revert to a piston compressor - that must have been a very disappointing decision.
David
On Dec 5, 2022, at 12:46 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi David (et al.):
?
I wasn¡¯t sure whether to chime in because the OP was asking questions about drum sanders and whether the RL160 would be adequate for that. But thanks for the
encouragement as I would make a few points which may be salient ¡
?
A colleague and friend of mine across town (here in Brisbane, Australia) has a large drum sander and he uses an AF-48 plus cartridge filter and reports good
results. This guy has very significant through-put so there¡¯s some evidence that the combination is working for him.
?
I had an RL160 for close to 10 years, but it was an older model, non-anti-static and without auto clean. It was a good extractor for what it was with the following
(brief) caveats: the pleated filter required very regular and vigorous manual cleaning to keep the pleats free of detritus, and the dual bins filled very unevenly, dependent on how many gates were open or closed at the time (i.e. material falls into the first
bin or shoots across the first bin and ends up in the second).
?
I now have the RL250 with pulsed air cleaning system. I use it with all the usual machines, but the OP will likely be most interested in its performance with
my Format-4 FW1102 Finish wide belt sander. The RL250 does a good job on the wide belt (WB), which requires 2 x 160mm ducts.
?
On the issue of extraction capacity, I recall someone asking whether the AF-16 would be sufficient. I think not. You need very significant extraction for sanders.
The AF-22 is big enough for a 16¡± drum sander, but nowhere near big enough for my WB, clogging filters notwithstanding.
?
My RL250 has significant design ¡°problems¡±. I don¡¯t want to call them flaws because the machine does work, just not as well as it should. I¡¯m pretty sure I¡¯ve
documented my views on the RL250 at length previously but here is a quickie.
?
-
The automatic pulsed cleaning system requires enormous amounts of compressed air ¨C David B. is absolutely correct and in fact he is the one who discovered my machine was starved for air. The RL250 has an onboard receiver or reservoir
which holds reserve compressed air for use during the cleaning cycle, but it is woefully inadequate. It is also very hard to get to if air connections develop a leak¡ahem.
-
The RL250 comes with monster 1-1/4¡± air fittings and it needs it. What was happening (when I was starving it of air) is that the first of four ¡°pulses¡± (for cleaning) would be applied at full pressure. The onboard receiver would
be entirely drained. My shop receiver would then ¡°fill it up¡± in readiness for the second blast of air.
-
However, the onboard receiver would not pressurise in time (inlet air line was too small) so that the second blast of air was not quite as strong as the first. By the fourth blast ¨C which was not really a blast at all ¨C the cleaning
was quite ineffective.
-
The solution was two-fold. First, I needed a properly sized inlet pipe ¨C 30mm (which when you think about it is pretty big for us woodworkers). And second, I needed a much bigger receiver to hold reserve air for use during the automatic
cleaning cycles.
?
I have a 5.5HP reciprocating piston compressor (replacing my rotary screw compressor and the hydrovane compressor before that ¨C both of which were destroyed
because they were unable to perform intermittent work ¨C see my latest article in Australian Wood Review, Issue 117), and a 550L receiver. The receiver reduces from 140PSI to about 90PSI over the course of a single cleaning cycle (4 blasts of air), and the
compressor kicks in every time.
?
I do not believe even a much larger compressor could keep up with the blasts (which are surprisingly loud and violent). This is implicitly recognised by Felder
with the onboard receiver. The documentation that comes with the RL250 and bigger is inaccurate. Bottom line RL250s require a LOT of air.
?
Oh, and the uneven filling of bins persists. It really is laughable on a circa $20k machines (less in USD and lots more in AUD). Problems or flaws? Hmm.
?
I would not purchase another one. Just to be clear, I like my Felder and Format-4 machines and I have an entire shop of them and have been purchasing since
2005. And my local reps are excellent. My criticism of the RL250 should be taken in that context.
?
But I have to say Felder machinery represent excellent value,?not?excellent
machines. If I had more money, I would not buy a single Felder/Format-4 again, with the possible exception of my Kappa 400 x-motion. The RL250 is flawed (oops, sorry, ¡°problematic¡±); the Profil 45Z x-motion absolutely does not hold calibration and is simply
a very fancy manual shaper; my vintage FS900 has twisted casting; the FB540 is no longer made and in fact was not made by Felder at all and so is an excellent bandsaw; the FW1102 is also no longer made and in fact was not made by Felder ¨C it is pretty good
but very underpowered at 15kW; the Dual 51 will not hold calibration on the hinged tables ¨C best to avoid altogether; the FD250 is actually pretty good (he grudgingly admits) but ironically I no longer own one of those as I didn¡¯t use it enough. Oh, and I
do love my FAT300 even though it is very expensive.
?
But the Kappa 400 x-motion is a beautiful slider that actually holds its calibration.
?
Warm regards,
Lucky
?
David (Lucky) Luckensmeyer should chime in on this. ?He has a large WB with an RL-200 or 250 if memory serves. ?His dust extractor takes an enormous amount
of compressed air. ?Lucky?
?
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Hi Kyle,?
I recently received a new RL160 with auto clean, auto start to replace an RL160 without. Machine price was ~$6,700 much quieter than a cyclone with no blow by dust collecting around the exhaust.? The RL200 is in the same chassis as the RL160 but three phase,
the next steps up on bigger models use compressed air to blow the pleats clean during operation that's where you can sand all day long.? Now for half that a cyclone is going to do a great job as the mid level RL's have limited filter area and no way to drop
out fines like a cyclone has.? The RL decibel output is about 70db, the Cyclones are 85db, the RL is [email protected]" single phase and Cyclones are 3hp@6" or 5hp@8" typically.? Like many things there are tradeoffs for noise, HP, duct size and cleaning methods.?
IMO If you are going to use a WBS I suggest a cyclone or pleat cleaning style collector during operation otherwise the low noise, auto clean and high efficiency of the RL is going to work well for you. Other options are Nederman bag systems??$9,000
or AL-KO?the
latter starting at $15,000.?
--?
Jay Bowen
Cleveland?
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? David,
Ecap is just a shorthand. I am not sure if it is understood universally but hopefully obvious due to the context.
On 3 phase Felder machines, one needs to hold the switch for just a bit for the relay to engage. Felder programs the receiver output, for the wireless slider switches, to turn on for 3 sec. This essentially is mimicking the start switch being pressed by the operator. Here is the K975 circuit that shows the setting of 3 Sec.
When I added the wireless switches to my slider, I programmed the receiver output accordingly.
The difference here, compared to a single phase machine, is that on a 3 phase machine I can¡¯t think of an ill effect if the switch is held a bit longer.
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 2:43 PM, david.r.milson@... wrote: ?Hi guys
Thanks for the explanation Imran.
Well, I hadn't heard an Electrolytic Capacitor referred to as an Ecap previously, but I was surprised to read further down the thread these start caps are polariszed (my bad).??
The point David Best makes is still valid.? Felder pitches themselves at being high end gear.? Starter cap issues do seem to pop up here.? It shouldn't be too difficult for Felder to establish what's going wrong even if they just relied on getting their own techs to gather the required field data.
Fortunately, my Felder gear is 3 phase but do the instructions say to hold the start button in until motor is up to full speed on single phase motors?? My understanding was to let go of the start button well before full speed was reached.
Cheers
David
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David,
I do have pictures...? There was a period of time I had a perpetual scab on my rt shin at that exact height.
PK
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
Nederman s1000 over here and it is a freakin beast. And very quiet. They now have an autoclean option for the filters. Additionally, it has been copied and potentially improved by Preston Machinery. Nederman also makes smaller collectors that should outperform felder.?
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Thanks Lucky. ?Good info. ?You and I completely agree about your summary points, namely:
- Felder machinery represent excellent value,?not?excellent machines
- The Kappa 400 x-motion is a beautiful slider that actually holds its calibration
- The Dual 51 will not hold calibration on the hinged tables
I¡¯m sorry to hear you had to revert to a piston compressor - that must have been a very disappointing decision.
David
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 12:46 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
Hi David (et al.): ? I wasn¡¯t sure whether to chime in because the OP was asking questions about drum sanders and whether the RL160 would be adequate for that. But thanks for the encouragement as I would make a few points which may be salient ¡ ? A colleague and friend of mine across town (here in Brisbane, Australia) has a large drum sander and he uses an AF-48 plus cartridge filter and reports good results. This guy has very significant through-put so there¡¯s some evidence that the combination is working for him. ? I had an RL160 for close to 10 years, but it was an older model, non-anti-static and without auto clean. It was a good extractor for what it was with the following (brief) caveats: the pleated filter required very regular and vigorous manual cleaning to keep the pleats free of detritus, and the dual bins filled very unevenly, dependent on how many gates were open or closed at the time (i.e. material falls into the first bin or shoots across the first bin and ends up in the second). ? I now have the RL250 with pulsed air cleaning system. I use it with all the usual machines, but the OP will likely be most interested in its performance with my Format-4 FW1102 Finish wide belt sander. The RL250 does a good job on the wide belt (WB), which requires 2 x 160mm ducts. ? On the issue of extraction capacity, I recall someone asking whether the AF-16 would be sufficient. I think not. You need very significant extraction for sanders. The AF-22 is big enough for a 16¡± drum sander, but nowhere near big enough for my WB, clogging filters notwithstanding. ? My RL250 has significant design ¡°problems¡±. I don¡¯t want to call them flaws because the machine does work, just not as well as it should. I¡¯m pretty sure I¡¯ve documented my views on the RL250 at length previously but here is a quickie. ? - The automatic pulsed cleaning system requires enormous amounts of compressed air ¨C David B. is absolutely correct and in fact he is the one who discovered my machine was starved for air. The RL250 has an onboard receiver or reservoir which holds reserve compressed air for use during the cleaning cycle, but it is woefully inadequate. It is also very hard to get to if air connections develop a leak¡ahem.
- The RL250 comes with monster 1-1/4¡± air fittings and it needs it. What was happening (when I was starving it of air) is that the first of four ¡°pulses¡± (for cleaning) would be applied at full pressure. The onboard receiver would be entirely drained. My shop receiver would then ¡°fill it up¡± in readiness for the second blast of air.
- However, the onboard receiver would not pressurise in time (inlet air line was too small) so that the second blast of air was not quite as strong as the first. By the fourth blast ¨C which was not really a blast at all ¨C the cleaning was quite ineffective.
- The solution was two-fold. First, I needed a properly sized inlet pipe ¨C 30mm (which when you think about it is pretty big for us woodworkers). And second, I needed a much bigger receiver to hold reserve air for use during the automatic cleaning cycles.
? I have a 5.5HP reciprocating piston compressor (replacing my rotary screw compressor and the hydrovane compressor before that ¨C both of which were destroyed because they were unable to perform intermittent work ¨C see my latest article in Australian Wood Review, Issue 117), and a 550L receiver. The receiver reduces from 140PSI to about 90PSI over the course of a single cleaning cycle (4 blasts of air), and the compressor kicks in every time. ? I do not believe even a much larger compressor could keep up with the blasts (which are surprisingly loud and violent). This is implicitly recognised by Felder with the onboard receiver. The documentation that comes with the RL250 and bigger is inaccurate. Bottom line RL250s require a LOT of air. ? Oh, and the uneven filling of bins persists. It really is laughable on a circa $20k machines (less in USD and lots more in AUD). Problems or flaws? Hmm. ? I would not purchase another one. Just to be clear, I like my Felder and Format-4 machines and I have an entire shop of them and have been purchasing since 2005. And my local reps are excellent. My criticism of the RL250 should be taken in that context. ? But I have to say Felder machinery represent excellent value,?not?excellent machines. If I had more money, I would not buy a single Felder/Format-4 again, with the possible exception of my Kappa 400 x-motion. The RL250 is flawed (oops, sorry, ¡°problematic¡±); the Profil 45Z x-motion absolutely does not hold calibration and is simply a very fancy manual shaper; my vintage FS900 has twisted casting; the FB540 is no longer made and in fact was not made by Felder at all and so is an excellent bandsaw; the FW1102 is also no longer made and in fact was not made by Felder ¨C it is pretty good but very underpowered at 15kW; the Dual 51 will not hold calibration on the hinged tables ¨C best to avoid altogether; the FD250 is actually pretty good (he grudgingly admits) but ironically I no longer own one of those as I didn¡¯t use it enough. Oh, and I do love my FAT300 even though it is very expensive. ? But the Kappa 400 x-motion is a beautiful slider that actually holds its calibration. ? Warm regards, Lucky ? David (Lucky) Luckensmeyer should chime in on this. ?He has a large WB with an RL-200 or 250 if memory serves. ?His dust extractor takes an enormous amount of compressed air. ?Lucky?
? [Edited Message Follows] Hi Kyle,?
I recently received a new RL160 with auto clean, auto start to replace an RL160 without. Machine price was ~$6,700 much quieter than a cyclone with no blow by dust collecting around the exhaust.? The RL200 is in the same chassis as the RL160 but three phase, the next steps up on bigger models use compressed air to blow the pleats clean during operation that's where you can sand all day long.? Now for half that a cyclone is going to do a great job as the mid level RL's have limited filter area and no way to drop out fines like a cyclone has.? The RL decibel output is about 70db, the Cyclones are 85db, the RL is [email protected]" single phase and Cyclones are 3hp@6" or 5hp@8" typically.? Like many things there are tradeoffs for noise, HP, duct size and cleaning methods.? IMO If you are going to use a WBS I suggest a cyclone or pleat cleaning style collector during operation otherwise the low noise, auto clean and high efficiency of the RL is going to work well for you. Other options are Nederman bag systems??$9,000 or AL-KO?the latter starting at $15,000.?
--?
Jay Bowen
Cleveland?
?
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
Hi David (et al.):
?
I wasn¡¯t sure whether to chime in because the OP was asking questions about drum sanders and whether the RL160 would be adequate for that. But thanks for the encouragement as I would make a few points which
may be salient ¡
?
A colleague and friend of mine across town (here in Brisbane, Australia) has a large drum sander and he uses an AF-48 plus cartridge filter and reports good results. This guy has very significant through-put
so there¡¯s some evidence that the combination is working for him.
?
I had an RL160 for close to 10 years, but it was an older model, non-anti-static and without auto clean. It was a good extractor for what it was with the following (brief) caveats: the pleated filter required
very regular and vigorous manual cleaning to keep the pleats free of detritus, and the dual bins filled very unevenly, dependent on how many gates were open or closed at the time (i.e. material falls into the first bin or shoots across the first bin and ends
up in the second).
?
I now have the RL250 with pulsed air cleaning system. I use it with all the usual machines, but the OP will likely be most interested in its performance with my Format-4 FW1102 Finish wide belt sander. The
RL250 does a good job on the wide belt (WB), which requires 2 x 160mm ducts.
?
On the issue of extraction capacity, I recall someone asking whether the AF-16 would be sufficient. I think not. You need very significant extraction for sanders. The AF-22 is big enough for a 16¡± drum sander,
but nowhere near big enough for my WB, clogging filters notwithstanding.
?
My RL250 has significant design ¡°problems¡±. I don¡¯t want to call them flaws because the machine does work, just not as well as it should. I¡¯m pretty sure I¡¯ve documented my views on the RL250 at length previously
but here is a quickie.
?
- The automatic pulsed cleaning system requires enormous amounts of compressed air ¨C David B. is absolutely correct and in fact he is the one who discovered
my machine was starved for air. The RL250 has an onboard receiver or reservoir which holds reserve compressed air for use during the cleaning cycle, but it is woefully inadequate. It is also very hard to get to if air connections develop a leak¡ahem.
- The RL250 comes with monster 1-1/4¡± air fittings and it needs it. What was happening (when I was starving it of air) is that the first of four ¡°pulses¡±
(for cleaning) would be applied at full pressure. The onboard receiver would be entirely drained. My shop receiver would then ¡°fill it up¡± in readiness for the second blast of air.
- However, the onboard receiver would not pressurise in time (inlet air line was too small) so that the second blast of air was not quite as strong as
the first. By the fourth blast ¨C which was not really a blast at all ¨C the cleaning was quite ineffective.
- The solution was two-fold. First, I needed a properly sized inlet pipe ¨C 30mm (which when you think about it is pretty big for us woodworkers). And second,
I needed a much bigger receiver to hold reserve air for use during the automatic cleaning cycles.
?
I have a 5.5HP reciprocating piston compressor (replacing my rotary screw compressor and the hydrovane compressor before that ¨C both of which were destroyed because they were unable to perform intermittent
work ¨C see my latest article in Australian Wood Review, Issue 117), and a 550L receiver. The receiver reduces from 140PSI to about 90PSI over the course of a single cleaning cycle (4 blasts of air), and the compressor kicks in every time.
?
I do not believe even a much larger compressor could keep up with the blasts (which are surprisingly loud and violent). This is implicitly recognised by Felder with the onboard receiver. The documentation
that comes with the RL250 and bigger is inaccurate. Bottom line RL250s require a LOT of air.
?
Oh, and the uneven filling of bins persists. It really is laughable on a circa $20k machines (less in USD and lots more in AUD). Problems or flaws? Hmm.
?
I would not purchase another one. Just to be clear, I like my Felder and Format-4 machines and I have an entire shop of them and have been purchasing since 2005. And my local reps are excellent. My criticism
of the RL250 should be taken in that context.
?
But I have to say Felder machinery represent excellent value,
not excellent machines. If I had more money, I would not buy a single Felder/Format-4 again, with the possible exception of my Kappa 400 x-motion. The RL250 is flawed (oops, sorry, ¡°problematic¡±); the Profil 45Z x-motion absolutely does not hold calibration
and is simply a very fancy manual shaper; my vintage FS900 has twisted casting; the FB540 is no longer made and in fact was not made by Felder at all and so is an excellent bandsaw; the FW1102 is also no longer made and in fact was not made by Felder ¨C it
is pretty good but very underpowered at 15kW; the Dual 51 will not hold calibration on the hinged tables ¨C best to avoid altogether; the FD250 is actually pretty good (he grudgingly admits) but ironically I no longer own one of those as I didn¡¯t use it enough.
Oh, and I do love my FAT300 even though it is very expensive.
?
But the Kappa 400 x-motion is a beautiful slider that actually holds its calibration.
?
Warm regards,
Lucky
?
David (Lucky) Luckensmeyer should chime in on this. ?He has a large WB with an RL-200 or 250 if memory serves. ?His dust extractor takes an enormous amount of compressed air. ?Lucky?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 5:41 AM, jbowen@... wrote:
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Hi Kyle,
I recently received a new RL160 with auto clean, auto start to replace an RL160 without. Machine price was ~$6,700 much quieter than a cyclone with no blow by dust collecting around the exhaust.? The RL200 is in the same chassis as the RL160 but three phase,
the next steps up on bigger models use compressed air to blow the pleats clean during operation that's where you can sand all day long.? Now for half that a cyclone is going to do a great job as the mid level RL's have limited filter area and no way to drop
out fines like a cyclone has.? The RL decibel output is about 70db, the Cyclones are 85db, the RL is [email protected]" single phase and Cyclones are 3hp@6" or 5hp@8" typically.? Like many things there are tradeoffs for noise, HP, duct size and cleaning methods.?
IMO If you are going to use a WBS I suggest a cyclone or pleat cleaning style collector during operation otherwise the low noise, auto clean and high efficiency of the RL is going to work well for you. Other options are Nederman bag systems https://www.hermance.com/Industrial/New-Machines/Nederman-S-500-5HP-Filter-Dust-Collector
$9,000 or AL-KO the latter starting at $15,000.
--
Jay Bowen
Cleveland
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Joe,
You reminded of another key aspect of electrolytic capacitors. Reputable manufacturers design these caps for 1000, 5000 & 10000 hrs of life. This life is only guaranteed for a set of conditions. This life is subject to Arrhenius equation where every 10C rise in operating temp reduces life by 1/2.
So like concrete and unlike many other electrical components these parts are guaranteed to eventually fail.
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 2:59 PM, bacchus6015 via groups.io <joeinno@...> wrote: ? I did lose a start cap on my 2000 CF731p. ?But only once in the 15 years I had it. ?It was a big deal to get a new one and replace it.
On Dec 5, 2022, at 11:43 AM, david.r.milson@... wrote:
Hi guys
Thanks for the explanation Imran.
Well, I hadn't heard an Electrolytic Capacitor referred to as an Ecap previously, but I was surprised to read further down the thread these start caps are polariszed (my bad).??
The point David Best makes is still valid.? Felder pitches themselves at being high end gear.? Starter cap issues do seem to pop up here.? It shouldn't be too difficult for Felder to establish what's going wrong even if they just relied on getting their own techs to gather the required field data.
Fortunately, my Felder gear is 3 phase but do the instructions say to hold the start button in until motor is up to full speed on single phase motors?? My understanding was to let go of the start button well before full speed was reached.
Cheers
David
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Re: Installing leveling casters on AD941
#ad941
¡°Shin crushing experience¡± - I guess that says it all. ? LOL
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 7:10 AM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
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Aaron, I sold the AD-941, but the front mount can be a shin crushing experience.? I have a 20" wide pallet jack and you would need to keep the bolts that you install on the back for removing it from the pallet to use a 20" wide pallet jack.? Plus it is hard to use the pallet jack that way when the tables are lowered! There are compromises in both scenarios.? looking back I am not sure what I would pick if I did it again.? In the review I did, I was closer to it and said no to the mobility kit. PK
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I second that with Mark Kessler?
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 9:17 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Fwiw, I have a 2.5hp single phase cyclone and it gets at least 90-95% of all dust from my 37¡± wide belt. Might even be better , i only notice a little left over dust in the belt area. On Dec 5, 2022, at 12:12 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
?What Tom said.....
I now have a widebelt and an Al-Ko. ?When I had a dual drum (Performax/Supermax 37 inch) and a smaller shop, my dust collector was Oneida. ?It was tall but did not take up a lot of square footage and I never had a problem with it. ?If there is any way your dust collector can be housed in an attached lean-to shed, you free up space, decrease noise, and save on the dust cloud in the shop when you empty the bin. Just my 0.02.
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David (Lucky) Luckensmeyer should chime in on this. ?He has a large WB with an RL-200 or 250 if memory serves. ?His dust extractor takes an enormous amount of compressed air. ?Lucky?
David Best
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 5:41 AM, jbowen@... wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]
Hi Kyle, I recently received a new RL160 with auto clean, auto start to replace an RL160 without. Machine price was ~$6,700 much quieter than a cyclone with no blow by dust collecting around the exhaust.? The RL200 is in the same chassis as the RL160 but three phase, the next steps up on bigger models use compressed air to blow the pleats clean during operation that's where you can sand all day long.? Now for half that a cyclone is going to do a great job as the mid level RL's have limited filter area and no way to drop out fines like a cyclone has.? The RL decibel output is about 70db, the Cyclones are 85db, the RL is [email protected]" single phase and Cyclones are 3hp@6" or 5hp@8" typically.? Like many things there are tradeoffs for noise, HP, duct size and cleaning methods.? IMO If you are going to use a WBS I suggest a cyclone or pleat cleaning style collector during operation otherwise the low noise, auto clean and high efficiency of the RL is going to work well for you. Other options are Nederman bag systems https://www.hermance.com/Industrial/New-Machines/Nederman-S-500-5HP-Filter-Dust-Collector $9,000 or AL-KO the latter starting at $15,000. -- Jay Bowen Cleveland
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 8:27 AM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
? Wade,
Nothing bad.? I loved it!? I wanted a 20¡± unit with full ¡°power Drive¡± and the finances allowed me to go big.
?
I would have probably gone with a 3ph 5.5kw if I did it again.
PK
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I did lose a start cap on my 2000 CF731p. ?But only once in the 15 years I had it. ?It was a big deal to get a new one and replace it.
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 11:43 AM, david.r.milson@... wrote:
Hi guys
Thanks for the explanation Imran.
Well, I hadn't heard an Electrolytic Capacitor referred to as an Ecap previously, but I was surprised to read further down the thread these start caps are polariszed (my bad).??
The point David Best makes is still valid.? Felder pitches themselves at being high end gear.? Starter cap issues do seem to pop up here.? It shouldn't be too difficult for Felder to establish what's going wrong even if they just relied on getting their own techs to gather the required field data.
Fortunately, my Felder gear is 3 phase but do the instructions say to hold the start button in until motor is up to full speed on single phase motors?? My understanding was to let go of the start button well before full speed was reached.
Cheers
David
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Hi guys
Thanks for the explanation Imran.
Well, I hadn't heard an Electrolytic Capacitor referred to as an Ecap previously, but I was surprised to read further down the thread these start caps are polariszed (my bad).??
The point David Best makes is still valid.? Felder pitches themselves at being high end gear.? Starter cap issues do seem to pop up here.? It shouldn't be too difficult for Felder to establish what's going wrong even if they just relied on getting their own techs to gather the required field data.
Fortunately, my Felder gear is 3 phase but do the instructions say to hold the start button in until motor is up to full speed on single phase motors?? My understanding was to let go of the start button well before full speed was reached.
Cheers
David
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An update on the Ecaps -?
ones in the machine are from china, the ones they shipped me are from romania.?
Perhaps sourcing trouble during covid.
Edit: update for prospective future buyers, I know I checked here before purchasing. - technician came today, 13 days after the initial failure. Definitely a manufacturing defect in the capacitor. Overall pretty happy with the level of service, they were kind enough to also hit my machine with some rust inhibitor and the glide solution they sell. Only criticism I have remaining is that my overall stress level would have been significantly lower had the service dept given me a tracking number for the parts on order.?
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Re: Trouble with North America Sales
The information about the ECAPS is very interesting. As a hobby user, I have equipment I don¡¯t use very often, sometimes for a year or more. How often should I run those motors to keep the capacitors charged and in good condition?
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
Most sanders will have a CFM requirement listed in the manual.? Cyclones help but aren't really
designed for fine dust so some will get to the filters.? If you plan to do much sanding, it is worthwhile to have some easy way to clean cartridges.? Bags are actually easier but take up a lot of space.? Each head will need 1000-1200 cfm in the 37" width .?
Most of the time you are sanding pieces narrower but you still need some high cfm as there is a lot of open space between the head and table when there isn't wide stock to block it.? Dave
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What Tom said.....
I now have a widebelt and an Al-Ko. ?When I had a dual drum (Performax/Supermax 37 inch) and a smaller shop, my dust collector was Oneida. ?It was tall but did not take up a lot of square footage and I never had a problem with it. ?If there is any way your
dust collector can be housed in an attached lean-to shed, you free up space, decrease noise, and save on the dust cloud in the shop when you empty the bin. Just my 0.02.
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
Fwiw, I have a 2.5hp single phase cyclone and it gets at least 90-95% of all dust from my 37¡± wide belt. Might even be better , i only notice a little left over dust in the belt area.
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On Dec 5, 2022, at 12:12 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
?What Tom said.....
I now have a widebelt and an Al-Ko. ?When I had a dual drum (Performax/Supermax 37 inch) and a smaller shop, my dust collector was Oneida. ?It was tall but did not take up a lot of square footage and I never had a problem with it. ?If there is any way your dust collector can be housed in an attached lean-to shed, you free up space, decrease noise, and save on the dust cloud in the shop when you empty the bin. Just my 0.02.
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
What Tom said.....
I now have a widebelt and an Al-Ko. ?When I had a dual drum (Performax/Supermax 37 inch) and a smaller shop, my dust collector was Oneida. ?It was tall but did not take up a lot of square footage and I never had a problem with it. ?If there is any way your dust collector can be housed in an attached lean-to shed, you free up space, decrease noise, and save on the dust cloud in the shop when you empty the bin. Just my 0.02.
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Re: One dust collector to rule them all?
Hi Kyle,?
Sounds like you don't have the drum sander yet, which gives you time and space to consider exactly what your needs are.?
In terms of shop planning/layout, I'd caution that cabinetmaking requires a fair amount of space (storing, handling and processing sheet goods, then storing the in-process cabinet boxes), and that the wider sanders (drum or wide belt) require a pretty big footprint as well. That is to say, I'd suggest giving careful consideration as to whether it's a good use of your limited shop space for a big/wide sander, and explore if there's a scenario where you get a much smaller sander that would handle 80% of your needs, and for the situations where you need to sand a big/wide piece, if there's a local resource for that.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Installing leveling casters on AD941
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Wade,
Nothing bad.? I loved it!? I wanted a 20¡± unit with full ¡°power Drive¡± and the finances allowed me to go big.
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I would have probably gone with a 3ph 5.5kw if I did it again.
PK
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