Re: Lucky's Latest 'Technique' article in Australian Wood Review
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First time I¡¯ve seen the ¡°butt bar¡± workflow accurately covered in a magazine - with photo. ?Seriously, this is a terrifically concise and practical article. ?
 David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Where can we find that article? Thanks? Bill Belanger
I¡¯ll second that.? Great article - and especially helpful for someone new to the sliding table saw. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Feb 17, 2022, at 8:54 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Lucky,
Very nice work!? You did an amazing job of articulating why we all love our sliders.? Also great to see the kappa 400 x-motion in pictures!??
Lots of shout outs to people on the FOG too! Mac's clamps, Brian's parallel Fence and lots of ideas from everyone too!
Thank you for adding value in the woodworking world!
PK
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Re: Lucky's Latest 'Technique' article in Australian Wood Review
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David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 9:14 PM, Bill Belanger <Bill@...> wrote:
? Where can we find that article? Thanks? Bill Belanger
I¡¯ll second that.? Great article - and especially helpful for someone new to the sliding table saw. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Feb 17, 2022, at 8:54 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Lucky,
Very nice work!? You did an amazing job of articulating why we all love our sliders.? Also great to see the kappa 400 x-motion in pictures!??
Lots of shout outs to people on the FOG too! Mac's clamps, Brian's parallel Fence and lots of ideas from everyone too!
Thank you for adding value in the woodworking world!
PK
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Re: Lucky's Latest 'Technique' article in Australian Wood Review
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Where can we find that article? Thanks? Bill Belanger
I¡¯ll second that.? Great article - and especially helpful for someone new to the sliding table saw. ? David Best - via mobile phone? On Feb 17, 2022, at 8:54 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Lucky,
Very nice work!? You did an amazing job of articulating why we all love our sliders.? Also great to see the kappa 400 x-motion in pictures!??
Lots of shout outs to people on the FOG too! Mac's clamps, Brian's parallel Fence and lots of ideas from everyone too!
Thank you for adding value in the woodworking world!
PK
PKwoodworking
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Re: Lucky's Latest 'Technique' article in Australian Wood Review
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I¡¯ll second that. ?Great article - and especially helpful for someone new to the sliding table saw. ? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 8:54 PM, PK <pk@...> wrote:
?Lucky,
Very nice work!? You did an amazing job of articulating why we all love our sliders.? Also great to see the kappa 400 x-motion in pictures!??
Lots of shout outs to people on the FOG too! Mac's clamps, Brian's parallel Fence and lots of ideas from everyone too!
Thank you for adding value in the woodworking world!
PK
PKwoodworking
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Lucky's Latest 'Technique' article in Australian Wood Review
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Lucky,
Very nice work!? You did an amazing job of articulating why we all love our sliders.? Also great to see the kappa 400 x-motion in pictures!??
Lots of shout outs to people on the FOG too! Mac's clamps, Brian's parallel Fence and lots of ideas from everyone too!
Thank you for adding value in the woodworking world!
PK
PKwoodworking
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Re: 24¡± Panel Crafter Model 609
I never heard fo that.? Had to look it up and watch a video. Nice tool~!!
I always get a kick out of marketing terms like "Surgical Steel" and
"Aircraft Aluminum."
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On 2/17/22 8:27 PM, imranindiana wrote: ?more pics and video as the size got too big for the initial post.
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Re: T-nut for the sliding table
All X-Roll sliding tables on? the -500, -700, -900, and Kappa 400 machines?are made from the same aluminum extrusion (just different lengths), and thus the T-slots are identical. ?The Hammer and -550/590 series sliding tables differ from the aforementioned models.? David Best - Sent from my iPad
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Are the T-slot grooves the same in a K700S? ?I¡¯d measure mine off the dimensions you sent, but I¡¯m currently out of town. Headed back tomorrow though. ?I¡¯d be interested!
Thx,
Wade On Feb 17, 2022, at 12:52 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? I had a custom shop make some steel t-nuts a few years ago after I got?my?KF700sp. Today, I found that I have extra 2 short t-nuts and 3 long t-nuts laying around unused. I use it with Kreg automaxx clamps, see pictures below. As I mentioned before, the automaxx clamp pulls the stock a bit when clamping it. As long as you have the plywood block placed against the stock being clamped, the stock will not move at all.
The short one is 70mm long, the long one is 120mm. All have 5/16"-18 thread.
I can offer it ($25 for short one, $40 for long one, plus shipping), I am in Ontario, Canada. I can get the shipping quote from Canada Post or your choice of carrier like Fedex and UPS. I heard the shipping cost from Canada Post is cheaper than Fedex and UPS here.
If you are interested, send me a private email.
James 
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Re: Hammer K3 and A3-31 Mobility kit / Casters
I have some machines on Zambus CarryMasters...they work well.??
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Re: T-nut for the sliding table
Are the T-slot grooves the same in a K700S? ?I¡¯d measure mine off the dimensions you sent, but I¡¯m currently out of town. Headed back tomorrow though. ?I¡¯d be interested!
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 12:52 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? I had a custom shop make some steel t-nuts a few years ago after I got?my?KF700sp. Today, I found that I have extra 2 short t-nuts and 3 long t-nuts laying around unused. I use it with Kreg automaxx clamps, see pictures below. As I mentioned before, the automaxx clamp pulls the stock a bit when clamping it. As long as you have the plywood block placed against the stock being clamped, the stock will not move at all.
The short one is 70mm long, the long one is 120mm. All have 5/16"-18 thread.
I can offer it ($25 for short one, $40 for long one, plus shipping), I am in Ontario, Canada. I can get the shipping quote from Canada Post or your choice of carrier like Fedex and UPS. I heard the shipping cost from Canada Post is cheaper than Fedex and UPS here.
If you are interested, send me a private email.
James 
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Re: 24¡± Panel Crafter Model 609
more pics and video as the size got too big for the initial post.
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24¡± Panel Crafter Model 609
I finally came across a panel crafter model 609
It floats on air. No templates are included. It is missing 4 knobs with 1/4-20 threads. The two threaded holes in the base are for attaching a coping fence (not included). The knob in the middle centers the panel via a rack & pinion mechanism.
It is built like a tank. It is used and condition is at least very good. A bit of wood is missing from one handle. Please see pics and video. $750 plus shipping from 46979.
Imran
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Re: Efficient Method to Wrap Plywood with Solid Wood
I first saw Michael Fortune use?Scott Grove's Ultimate Router base to rout the profile on the solid wood edging of his high end table top, then saw Matthew Cremona use it to make the round solid wood edging in the following youtube video.
I bought Scott Grove's book: Hardwood Edging and Inlay for Curved Tables, because I plan to do it in the future. Using the Ultimate Router base flush trim the solid edging is just one of the things you can do with it, it is long with some weight, very stable, no tipping.
James
I have used the Bosch Colt with a flush trim bit, although I do not have a fancy base. It takes a steady hand to keep from tipping the router and gouging the trim, but if you are careful it gets pretty close.
I usually wind up cleaning up spots with a plane after the router. I use a jack plane instead of a block plane though, as it seems more steady for me. I will sometimes run a strip of blue paint an inch off the trim and let the tail of the plane ride on that. It angles the plane off the tabletop surface, resulting in an imperceptible bevel on the trim, but helping keep the plane iron off the surface. Swinging the tail of the plane out over the tape changes the blade angle too, which is sometimes a good thing.
I really don¡¯t like the trim proud of the surface!
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Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022
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Re: Efficient Method to Wrap Plywood with Solid Wood
I have used the Bosch Colt with a flush trim bit, although I do not have a fancy base. It takes a steady hand to keep from tipping the router and gouging the trim, but if you are careful it gets pretty close.
I usually wind up cleaning up spots with a plane after the router. I use a jack plane instead of a block plane though, as it seems more steady for me. I will sometimes run a strip of blue paint an inch off the trim and let the tail of the plane ride on that. It angles the plane off the tabletop surface, resulting in an imperceptible bevel on the trim, but helping keep the plane iron off the surface. Swinging the tail of the plane out over the tape changes the blade angle too, which is sometimes a good thing.
I really don¡¯t like the trim proud of the surface!
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John Hinman
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Not a Felder Owner yet - expecting K700S in February and A941 in April 2022
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Re: Efficient Method to Wrap Plywood with Solid Wood
Thanks James. This is just one project for my friend so will be a learning experience. On shaper, with PF I think I will get really close and if not the router option you and Jason mentioned is there.
Imran
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 5:48 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? Imran,
If you can rout the slot very precisely, sanding it to flush is doable. If you find you end up more than 1 mm over the table top, it would be a lot of sanding and tricky to get a perfect result.
If you think you will do more table with skirt boards, router planing or lipping planer is the way to go.
James Thank you all. I think I will go with ~3/16¡± slot an tenon. I am liking the router planing method but if I do my offset right, I may just be sanding it to finish.
James, my plan is to glue one long side. Use a short piece of edging with a miter cut for checking the alignment of miter joint at each corner. Then do the 2 short sides. All with smallest domino at the miter. I may have to shorten the dominos for the last long side but being only 1¡± wide, I should be able to bend it enough to fit. At least, that is what I am thinking.
Imran ?Don¡¯t hardly do it anymore but my main bread and butter when i was 25 yrs younger were tables of all sizes with customer selected veneers pressed on mdf with solid wood edging.?
I initially did it in the predictable ways , oversized then router flush trim, then oversized and virutex lipping planer then + 1/32¡± and stroke sander then finally as close to dead nuts and block plane as needed if at all.?
?If i did it today i would shoot for +1/64-1/32 and block plane. If i still had a stroke sander then that instead of the block On Feb 17, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? I use a Bosch Colt router with a similar offset base for lipping for years prior to getting the Virutex lipping planer. I still pull it out on occasion for a few things. I like to leave it a whisker high and then plane flush with my block plane. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I never bothered to reinforce the miters, I still have the Walnut pedestal table and the miters are as tight as the day i made it. But they are 3/4¡± x 3/4¡± .
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 5:40 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Thank you all. I think I will go with ~3/16¡± slot an tenon. I am liking the router planing method but if I do my offset right, I may just be sanding it to finish.
James, my plan is to glue one long side. Use a short piece of edging with a miter cut for checking the alignment of miter joint at each corner. Then do the 2 short sides. All with smallest domino at the miter. I may have to shorten the dominos for the last long side but being only 1¡± wide, I should be able to bend it enough to fit. At least, that is what I am thinking.
Imran
On Feb 17, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Don¡¯t hardly do it anymore but my main bread and butter when i was 25 yrs younger were tables of all sizes with customer selected veneers pressed on mdf with solid wood edging.?
I initially did it in the predictable ways , oversized then router flush trim, then oversized and virutex lipping planer then + 1/32¡± and stroke sander then finally as close to dead nuts and block plane as needed if at all.?
?If i did it today i would shoot for +1/64-1/32 and block plane. If i still had a stroke sander then that instead of the block On Feb 17, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? I use a Bosch Colt router with a similar offset base for lipping for years prior to getting the Virutex lipping planer. I still pull it out on occasion for a few things. I like to leave it a whisker high and then plane flush with my block plane. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Efficient Method to Wrap Plywood with Solid Wood
Imran,
If you can rout the slot very precisely, sanding it to flush is doable. If you find you end up more than 1 mm over the table top, it would be a lot of sanding and tricky to get a perfect result.
If you think you will do more table with skirt boards, router planing or lipping planer is the way to go.
James
Thank you all. I think I will go with ~3/16¡± slot an tenon. I am liking the router planing method but if I do my offset right, I may just be sanding it to finish.
James, my plan is to glue one long side. Use a short piece of edging with a miter cut for checking the alignment of miter joint at each corner. Then do the 2 short sides. All with smallest domino at the miter. I may have to shorten the dominos for the last long side but being only 1¡± wide, I should be able to bend it enough to fit. At least, that is what I am thinking.
Imran ?Don¡¯t hardly do it anymore but my main bread and butter when i was 25 yrs younger were tables of all sizes with customer selected veneers pressed on mdf with solid wood edging.?
I initially did it in the predictable ways , oversized then router flush trim, then oversized and virutex lipping planer then + 1/32¡± and stroke sander then finally as close to dead nuts and block plane as needed if at all.?
?If i did it today i would shoot for +1/64-1/32 and block plane. If i still had a stroke sander then that instead of the block On Feb 17, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? I use a Bosch Colt router with a similar offset base for lipping for years prior to getting the Virutex lipping planer. I still pull it out on occasion for a few things. I like to leave it a whisker high and then plane flush with my block plane. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Thank you all. I think I will go with ~3/16¡± slot an tenon. I am liking the router planing method but if I do my offset right, I may just be sanding it to finish.
James, my plan is to glue one long side. Use a short piece of edging with a miter cut for checking the alignment of miter joint at each corner. Then do the 2 short sides. All with smallest domino at the miter. I may have to shorten the dominos for the last long side but being only 1¡± wide, I should be able to bend it enough to fit. At least, that is what I am thinking.
Imran
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote: ? Don¡¯t hardly do it anymore but my main bread and butter when i was 25 yrs younger were tables of all sizes with customer selected veneers pressed on mdf with solid wood edging.?
I initially did it in the predictable ways , oversized then router flush trim, then oversized and virutex lipping planer then + 1/32¡± and stroke sander then finally as close to dead nuts and block plane as needed if at all.?
?If i did it today i would shoot for +1/64-1/32 and block plane. If i still had a stroke sander then that instead of the block On Feb 17, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? I use a Bosch Colt router with a similar offset base for lipping for years prior to getting the Virutex lipping planer. I still pull it out on occasion for a few things. I like to leave it a whisker high and then plane flush with my block plane. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Like the edges on these tops
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 5:12 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Forgot to mention that I used the Lamello Tenso P-14 self locking connector to install/glue two long skirt boards first, then installed/glued two short skirt boards. It made the gluing really simple and fast,?it is a one?man job. Since it is just a workbench,? I used the dowels to strengthen the miter joint.?
For furniture, I would use the lock miter router bit or shaper cutter to rout the miter, because?floating?tenons cannot be used when two long skirt boards are installed/glued first, unless you glue the skirt board frame first and you are sure it is going to fit perfectly, which is really challenging.  
James
James, I am with you. I am not good enough with plane to do this type of planning with confidence, so cannot risk nicking the ply. ? From: [email protected] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 4:20 PM
To: Felder Owner Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Efficient Method to Wrap Plywood with Solid Wood ? I have to admit that I need to improve my hand planing skill :)? ?I am very comfortable using power tools with the right technique. ? On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mark Koury <mhkoury@...> wrote: Well, you could groove and spline - then use a hand plane to flush it. Mark
? I also have an MFK700 router.? You could modify the base like Paul Marcel did (??), he used this 8mm bit??.
The problem is the max cutting width is still limited to 25mm using the above 8mm router bit. Using the 1 1/4" dish carving bit with the router, there is no width limit for the edge trimming.?
? Interesting technique. Thanks for sharing. ? When I made the MDF top (3" thick) for my workbench last year, I used Ultimate Router base with 1 1/4" dish carving bit to flush trim the 1" thick hard maple skirt board, it worked really well.
I put 2 pieces of paper under the router bit to set the initial routing depth. After the initial trimming, I put 1 piece of paper under the router bit, and did the final trimming.
Basically, my Festool OF1400 with the ultimate router base plus the dish carving bit is my "Lamello" lipping planer :) <IMG_1730.JPG>
<IMG_1729.JPG> ? Thanks Mike. No lipping planer. I did have a PC biscuit jointer but did not like the consistency and moved to Domino and sold the PC joiner.
On Feb 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Mike S <Mike@...> wrote:
? Can you borrow a lipping planer?? Perfect for such jobs.? To attach, sounds like an application similar to how I like installing face frames, I use biscuit jointer referenced from adjustable plate to plough groove and them random biscuits on the applied edge to freely adjust left/right (it leaves a consistent reveal).? Make sense?? ? I need to make a replacement table top for a friend. He wants ply because he is going to paint it. Finished size is 20¡±x53¡±. So plan to use 3/4¡± ply to which I will apply 1¡± wide solid wood edging. Edging will be profiled. Mitered corners for edging. I can round the sharp corners.?
I was excited to finally use the MFK to trim edging flush with the top but it can only do 5/8¡± (3/4¡± tops) wide edging. That means I have to clamp a wide board to the edge (for stabilizing a router) and use a flush trim bit.
I am thinking of a slot and tenon interface, done on the shaper, to apply the edging. I can offset the cutter by a few thousands to ensure edging will be proud of the top and then just sand it. Does this sound like a good plan?
I would like to profile before gluing the edging to avoid blow out (during profiling) and the slot/tenon arrangement sound attractive for that reason as well. Maybe just able to use painters tape to glue the edging.
Imran
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Forgot to mention that I used the Lamello Tenso P-14 self locking connector to install/glue two long skirt boards first, then installed/glued two short skirt boards. It made the gluing really simple and fast,?it is a one?man job. Since it is just a workbench,? I used the dowels to strengthen the miter joint.?
For furniture, I would use the lock miter router bit or shaper cutter to rout the miter, because?floating?tenons cannot be used when two long skirt boards are installed/glued first, unless you glue the skirt board frame first and you are sure it is going to fit perfectly, which is really challenging.  
James
James, I am with you. I am not good enough with plane to do this type of planning with confidence, so cannot risk nicking the ply. ? From: [email protected] On Behalf Of James Zhu
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 4:20 PM
To: Felder Owner Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Efficient Method to Wrap Plywood with Solid Wood ? I have to admit that I need to improve my hand planing skill :)? ?I am very comfortable using power tools with the right technique. ? On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mark Koury <mhkoury@...> wrote: Well, you could groove and spline - then use a hand plane to flush it. Mark
? I also have an MFK700 router.? You could modify the base like Paul Marcel did (??), he used this 8mm bit??.
The problem is the max cutting width is still limited to 25mm using the above 8mm router bit. Using the 1 1/4" dish carving bit with the router, there is no width limit for the edge trimming.?
? Interesting technique. Thanks for sharing. ? When I made the MDF top (3" thick) for my workbench last year, I used Ultimate Router base with 1 1/4" dish carving bit to flush trim the 1" thick hard maple skirt board, it worked really well.
I put 2 pieces of paper under the router bit to set the initial routing depth. After the initial trimming, I put 1 piece of paper under the router bit, and did the final trimming.
Basically, my Festool OF1400 with the ultimate router base plus the dish carving bit is my "Lamello" lipping planer :) <IMG_1730.JPG>
<IMG_1729.JPG> ? Thanks Mike. No lipping planer. I did have a PC biscuit jointer but did not like the consistency and moved to Domino and sold the PC joiner.
On Feb 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Mike S <Mike@...> wrote:
? Can you borrow a lipping planer?? Perfect for such jobs.? To attach, sounds like an application similar to how I like installing face frames, I use biscuit jointer referenced from adjustable plate to plough groove and them random biscuits on the applied edge to freely adjust left/right (it leaves a consistent reveal).? Make sense?? ? I need to make a replacement table top for a friend. He wants ply because he is going to paint it. Finished size is 20¡±x53¡±. So plan to use 3/4¡± ply to which I will apply 1¡± wide solid wood edging. Edging will be profiled. Mitered corners for edging. I can round the sharp corners.?
I was excited to finally use the MFK to trim edging flush with the top but it can only do 5/8¡± (3/4¡± tops) wide edging. That means I have to clamp a wide board to the edge (for stabilizing a router) and use a flush trim bit.
I am thinking of a slot and tenon interface, done on the shaper, to apply the edging. I can offset the cutter by a few thousands to ensure edging will be proud of the top and then just sand it. Does this sound like a good plan?
I would like to profile before gluing the edging to avoid blow out (during profiling) and the slot/tenon arrangement sound attractive for that reason as well. Maybe just able to use painters tape to glue the edging.
Imran
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Re: Efficient Method to Wrap Plywood with Solid Wood
Don¡¯t hardly do it anymore but my main bread and butter when i was 25 yrs younger were tables of all sizes with customer selected veneers pressed on mdf with solid wood edging.?
I initially did it in the predictable ways , oversized then router flush trim, then oversized and virutex lipping planer then + 1/32¡± and stroke sander then finally as close to dead nuts and block plane as needed if at all.?
?If i did it today i would shoot for +1/64-1/32 and block plane. If i still had a stroke sander then that instead of the block
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On Feb 17, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? I use a Bosch Colt router with a similar offset base for lipping for years prior to getting the Virutex lipping planer. I still pull it out on occasion for a few things. I like to leave it a whisker high and then plane flush with my block plane. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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PK
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