Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Check out the "Extreme Woodworker" on Youtube.? Steve has a nice
series on using a slider:?
On 1/27/2022 12:35 PM, PK wrote:
Ray,
Where are you located?? If you are in Southern California, I would
be happy to host you for an afternoon.
PK
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
I believe you still have a start capacitor. I am not sure about Felder (all mine are 3 phase) but on my Laguna band saw (single phase) I have to go past the switch resting position to engage the start capacitor. Once up to speed I let it go and the spring loaded switch returns to it¡¯s resting position. Normally the start capacitor is disengaged by a centrifugal switch but in this case operator is doing the job. I would imagine Felder has a similar setup.
Imran
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On Jan 27, 2022, at 3:14 PM, Jacques Gagnon <jacques.gagnon309@...> wrote: ?Jared,
I have been told by Felder that the start button needs to be held momentarily until the tool has reached full speed. While this is almost instantaneous on the saw when only running with a single blade, it takes ? longer ? on the J/P or on the spindle (more mass).
It is different than what I was accustomed to on my old machines, which had start capacitors.
Regards,
Jacques
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This is mostly in response to Ray's question about resources for his
Hammer K3. He clearly is considering putting the machine out of its
(his?) misery, but I hope he looks at these resources before he does
that!
Despite the fact that I was obviously annoyed by the scoring unit on
my machine, I have been as happy as a clam (a notoriously happy
animal) using my Hammer K3. I'll give a list of resources at the end
of this message, but I'll just say a few things that impress me.
First, you don't need a lot of jigs to use a sliding table saw to its
fullest. The only one I would recommend is the Fritz & Franz jig. (Are
there other jigs I'm missing that are useful for sliding table saws?)
One of the things that I don't like about North American style table
saws is that you need to construct a bunch of jigs to do things like
cross cutting, something a sliding table saw does out of the box if
it's equipped with a cross cut fence. Second, I do like the inherently
safer way in which you operate the sliding table saw. When using a NA
style saw, I feel as if I have a big target on my head. Finally, I'm
quite happy with the precision and quality of the machine. I am using
commie units in my woodworking: I can cut repeatedly to within a
fraction of a millimeter.
Now for some resources that I have found useful:
1.
Marius is a German kid who set up a workshop in his parent's basement
in Germany. I love the fact that he constructs almost all of the
things he needs in his shop by himself. He is a stickler for precision
and even discovered a design flaw in the Hammer K3 crosscut fence
stop. He designed a fix and sold it for a while. Felder invited him to
their factory where they showed him their solution to the problem,
which they sell on their online shop. (Which brings up the question:
Why the fuck does Felder still equip the Hammer K3 saws with the
faulty stop while at the same time selling the working version online.
There should be a law against this!) Marius also has an excellent
review of the Hammer K3 he bought.
2.
Sam Blasco uses a sliding table saw extensively in his shop and has
some excellent videos on its use.
3.
I can totally identify with this guy. Middle aged. Bald. Clearly a
techie. He has videos on the thought process he went through when
purchasing a combo machine. He has also bought some of the higher-end
third party items you can buy for the Hammer, such as those sold by
Lamb Toolworks.
4.
This guy is a Hammer K3 enthusiast, though his delivery is a bit
stiff. He seems to be obsessed with precision and accuracy and has
even tested the accuracy of the angle gauge that you can buy as an add
on for the saw.
5.
Hoffman is another person who is a bit OCD about precision and
accuracy. He has videos that are quite useful for setting up the saw.
He also has a balanced video on the good and the bad on the saw.
6.
Canadian dude who speaks in Canadian. He has a Felder line sliding
table saw and an impeccably neat shop which I drool over.
7.
Bedrosian is a retired engineer who makes beautiful stuff. He has many
creative design solutions to flaws in the Hammer K3, such as the
position of the on/off switch. He also sells a first-rate Fritz &
Franz jig, which I bought. His instagram page also has links to Hammer
resources.
8.
And last, but not least, is Valdez who has videos on the use of a
sliding table saw. He owns a Hammer K3. He also sells excellent
zero-clearance inserts for the Hammer K3 which are superior to those
sold by Felder (there's more support on the table side of the insert).
I hope that this helps! It would be wonderful if we could have a web
site (perhaps a wiki) to which people could contribute on the set up,
maintenance, and use of Felder equipment.
Take care,
JH
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Department of Integrative Biology
University of California, Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510) 502-5887
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Ray,
Where are you located?? If you are in Southern California, I would be happy to host you for an afternoon.
PK
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K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
?So several years back I bought a K3 Winner and a A3-31 (Home Hobbiest here).? I use to have a Delta Contractor Table Saw before and thought I would move to a Slider for safety and because I wasn't sold on the Saw Stop (Still not 100% Sold on it)?
?Anyways for the last several years the K3 hasn't been used much as there aren't a whole lot of resources out there on using it or jigs.? I'm not contemplating getting another American style saw (PM 2000b or a Saw Stop ICS) I want to give the K3 another chance before I pull the plug on it.?
Outside of here is there forms or youtube channels or anything that will help me learn to use this better?? I'm in the USA and there just isn't a whole lot of information out there that I can find.
Appreciate it.
Ray
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
Jared,
I have been told by Felder that the start button needs to be held momentarily until the tool has reached full speed. While this is almost instantaneous on the saw when only running with a single blade, it takes ? longer ? on the J/P or on the spindle (more mass).
It is different than what I was accustomed to on my old machines, which had start capacitors.
Regards,
Jacques
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
Thanks, everyone, for your comments on my K3 scoring unit issue.
Felder is sending me a new belt. I didn't realize that the belt for
the K3 scoring unit is so finicky. I'll take care to treat it
gingerly. And, I'll likely buy a few spare belts.
JH
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:55 AM Jared Leach <leach.jared@...> wrote:
Speaking of that. I assumed that there¡¯s a slow start on my A3-41, as it takes a good 3-5 seconds to get up to speed. Is that normal?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:18 AM Mark Foster <mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
It¡¯s the same kid they use to install capacitors on the A3-31.
Mark
On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:39 AM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via groups.io <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
it's the belt. They used some child on take your toddler to work day to
design it
On 1/26/22 9:19 PM, John Huelsenbeck wrote:
Hi All,
I received my Hammer K3 sliding table saw almost two weeks ago. I
used made a few cuts with the scoring blade within a few days of
setting up the saw, and was happy with the results.
Today, I was setting up to cut some plywood and I realized that it is
no longer working (the scoring blade does not spin when the saw is
powered up, as it should.
Does anyone have an idea of what I should do? Is there an easy fix?
Thanks,
JH
--
Mark Foster
--
John Huelsenbeck
Department of Integrative Biology
University of California, Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510) 502-5887
johnh@...
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
Speaking of that. I assumed that there¡¯s a slow start on my A3-41, as it takes a good 3-5 seconds to get up to speed. Is that normal?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:18 AM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: It¡¯s the same kid they use to install capacitors on the A3-31.
Mark
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:39 AM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via <rohrabacher=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> it's the belt. They used? some child on take your toddler to work day to
> design it
>
> On 1/26/22 9:19 PM, John Huelsenbeck wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I received? my Hammer K3 sliding table saw almost two weeks ago. I
>> used made a few cuts with the scoring blade within a few days of
>> setting up the saw, and was happy with the results.
>>
>> Today, I was setting up to cut some plywood and I realized that it is
>> no longer working (the scoring blade does not spin when the saw is
>> powered up, as it should.
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea of what I should do? Is there an easy fix?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> JH
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
It¡¯s the same kid they use to install capacitors on the A3-31.
Mark
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On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:39 AM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via groups.io <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
it's the belt. They used some child on take your toddler to work day to
design it
On 1/26/22 9:19 PM, John Huelsenbeck wrote:
Hi All,
I received my Hammer K3 sliding table saw almost two weeks ago. I
used made a few cuts with the scoring blade within a few days of
setting up the saw, and was happy with the results.
Today, I was setting up to cut some plywood and I realized that it is
no longer working (the scoring blade does not spin when the saw is
powered up, as it should.
Does anyone have an idea of what I should do? Is there an easy fix?
Thanks,
JH
--
Mark Foster
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The ACM 640 or older Centauro 600 over the FB 610.? While the ACM resawmaster might have a stiff frame, I don't like the wide wheel designed for a 2" blade.? 2" isn't necessary and it moves the blade farther out on the spindles.? The older MM-Centauro 16 or
20" were good resaw machines with a small footprint.? I'd want 24" in the heavier ACM saws unless MM has beefed them up in the smaller sizes.? Dave
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no, no NO !???
If you have the space for the 610 - get it.?? Otherwise get the 510.? It's the apples to apples saw for the resaw master.
Laguna has no peer if you're in to customer no-service.? They're all buddy buddy before the sale but after ? ? ??? Their sales weasel mentality is on display here.? RSM only meant to take a 2" blade ??? WTF ??? It doesn't have the capability
to properly tension a 2" carbide blade.? It ain't gonna do curves very well with a 3/4" min. blade width but you don't care about that.? Rick is ignorant, mis-informed, fibbing, or stoopid.? None of which are attributes.
ACM is making that saw for Laguna.
The only significance a 2" blade has over 1-1/4" in your case is bragging rights. ? Are you under the impression another +3/4" width is going to give you a faster or superior cut ? ? The only real plus I see Laguna having over Felder is the Baldor
motor.?? And that's not enough for me to put up with the rest of the Laguna hassle.
You should also consider a MiniMax - SCM saw.
D
On Thursday, January 27, 2022, 09:22:39 AM EST, tom@... <tom@...> wrote:
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would
require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony", but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if
"more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have any input
or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
it's the belt. They used? some child on take your toddler to work day to
design it
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On 1/26/22 9:19 PM, John Huelsenbeck wrote: Hi All,
I received my Hammer K3 sliding table saw almost two weeks ago. I
used made a few cuts with the scoring blade within a few days of
setting up the saw, and was happy with the results.
Today, I was setting up to cut some plywood and I realized that it is
no longer working (the scoring blade does not spin when the saw is
powered up, as it should.
Does anyone have an idea of what I should do? Is there an easy fix?
Thanks,
JH
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Thanks for the clarification on the manufacture of those saws.? Steve Lyde
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On Jan 27, 2022, at 10:06 AM, David Sabo via groups.io <sabo_dave@...> wrote:
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LT16 & 18 have never been made by SCM.??
SCM / MiniMax saws until just recently have been produced by Centauro for SCM.?? The LT saws are from ACM out of Italy - except for very early models which were fabricated by Meber.
D
On Thursday, January 27, 2022, 10:57:10 AM EST, Steve Lyde via groups.io <stlyde@...> wrote:
I have a Laguna LT16 which I mostly use for resaw work and I can say it¡¯s a great machine. ?My understanding is the LT16 and 18 are actually made by SCM in Italy but I could be wrong on that. Anyone know for sure? Steve Lyde On Jan 27, 2022, at 9:44 AM, john adank <lseap107@...> wrote:
?
I¡¯m also interested in this conversation as I want to upgrade my 14¡± Delta and purchase a new 14¡± saw with larger table and better guides. ?I would also like to purchase an additional bandsaw just for re-sawing. ?I¡¯ve looked at the Laguna 14bx for smaller work as well as the LT18 Resaw Master for larger projects. ?I¡¯m also considering the Minimax S440P or old MM16. ?I¡¯ve spoken to Sam Blasco of Minimax a few times about this saw. ?It¡¯s well made but I wish it had an adjustable height fence. ?He has an older outdated video on this saw and it looks quite versatile for re-sawing and curved/scroll work.
John Adank Onalaska, WI On Jan 27, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Tom,?
I ordered a handful of small parts for ceramic guides that took over 6 months to receive in multiple deliveries. It was a painful experience. I'm convinced Laguna is a well oiled import machine, but not convinced they are really a "services after the sale" kind of company. Furthermore, I think I went through this process and looked at the same machine? a few years back and at that time they had availability issues, nothing in the warehouse to sell at the time, and I couldn't find anyone who owned one to reference an opinion. I will also say as I have learned, 5hp is the minimum I'd consider for any substantial resawing quantities. I have? a contact that bought an LT24 used/auction and immediately determined the 5 hp to be junk and mounted a 10hp in its place because it was the biggest that he could fit. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM < tom@...> wrote: Resurrecting this thread to pose the following question:?
I currently have a Laguna LT14SUV (14" Asian-made machine, 14" resaw, 3 hp motor) that I'd like to set up just for curved work, and adding a second band saw that I'd use as a dedicated ripping machine. I'm running a one-person operation and seem to be specializing in taking on small, one-off jobs, working directly with clients or serving as back-up for other local shops. I'm currently in a ~700 sq-ft Shop, so space is a bit of an issue (likely prevents the 30"+ machines), but it's possible I could sneak in a 24" machine.?
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
Highlights:
-- Leeson 5hp motor, available in 3-phase
-- Italian-made, not sure who though (likely ACM?)
-- 18" resaw height
-- Uses the Laguna ceramic guides
-- Cost is comparable to a FB610
-- Accepts a 2" blade
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony", but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if "more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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LT16 & 18 have never been made by SCM.??
SCM / MiniMax saws until just recently have been produced by Centauro for SCM.?? The LT saws are from ACM out of Italy - except for very early models which were fabricated by Meber.
D
On Thursday, January 27, 2022, 10:57:10 AM EST, Steve Lyde via groups.io <stlyde@...> wrote:
I have a Laguna LT16 which I mostly use for resaw work and I can say it¡¯s a great machine. ?My understanding is the LT16 and 18 are actually made by SCM in Italy but I could be wrong on that. Anyone know for sure? Steve Lyde On Jan 27, 2022, at 9:44 AM, john adank <lseap107@...> wrote:
?
I¡¯m also interested in this conversation as I want to upgrade my 14¡± Delta and purchase a new 14¡± saw with larger table and better guides. ?I would also like to purchase an additional bandsaw just for re-sawing. ?I¡¯ve looked at the Laguna 14bx for smaller work as well as the LT18 Resaw Master for larger projects. ?I¡¯m also considering the Minimax S440P or old MM16. ?I¡¯ve spoken to Sam Blasco of Minimax a few times about this saw. ?It¡¯s well made but I wish it had an adjustable height fence. ?He has an older outdated video on this saw and it looks quite versatile for re-sawing and curved/scroll work.
John Adank Onalaska, WI On Jan 27, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Tom,?
I ordered a handful of small parts for ceramic guides that took over 6 months to receive in multiple deliveries. It was a painful experience. I'm convinced Laguna is a well oiled import machine, but not convinced they are really a "services after the sale" kind of company. Furthermore, I think I went through this process and looked at the same machine? a few years back and at that time they had availability issues, nothing in the warehouse to sell at the time, and I couldn't find anyone who owned one to reference an opinion. I will also say as I have learned, 5hp is the minimum I'd consider for any substantial resawing quantities. I have? a contact that bought an LT24 used/auction and immediately determined the 5 hp to be junk and mounted a 10hp in its place because it was the biggest that he could fit. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM < tom@...> wrote: Resurrecting this thread to pose the following question:?
I currently have a Laguna LT14SUV (14" Asian-made machine, 14" resaw, 3 hp motor) that I'd like to set up just for curved work, and adding a second band saw that I'd use as a dedicated ripping machine. I'm running a one-person operation and seem to be specializing in taking on small, one-off jobs, working directly with clients or serving as back-up for other local shops. I'm currently in a ~700 sq-ft Shop, so space is a bit of an issue (likely prevents the 30"+ machines), but it's possible I could sneak in a 24" machine.?
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
Highlights:
-- Leeson 5hp motor, available in 3-phase
-- Italian-made, not sure who though (likely ACM?)
-- 18" resaw height
-- Uses the Laguna ceramic guides
-- Cost is comparable to a FB610
-- Accepts a 2" blade
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony", but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if "more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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no, no NO !???
If you have the space for the 610 - get it.?? Otherwise get the 510.? It's the apples to apples saw for the resaw master.
Laguna has no peer if you're in to customer no-service.? They're all buddy buddy before the sale but after ? ? ??? Their sales weasel mentality is on display here.? RSM only meant to take a 2" blade ??? WTF ??? It doesn't have the capability to properly tension a 2" carbide blade.? It ain't gonna do curves very well with a 3/4" min. blade width but you don't care about that.? Rick is ignorant, mis-informed, fibbing, or stoopid.? None of which are attributes.
ACM is making that saw for Laguna.
The only significance a 2" blade has over 1-1/4" in your case is bragging rights. ? Are you under the impression another +3/4" width is going to give you a faster or superior cut ? ? The only real plus I see Laguna having over Felder is the Baldor motor.?? And that's not enough for me to put up with the rest of the Laguna hassle.
You should also consider a MiniMax - SCM saw.
D
On Thursday, January 27, 2022, 09:22:39 AM EST, tom@... <tom@...> wrote:
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony", but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if "more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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I have a Laguna LT16 which I mostly use for resaw work and I can say it¡¯s a great machine. ?My understanding is the LT16 and 18 are actually made by SCM in Italy but I could be wrong on that. Anyone know for sure? Steve Lyde
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On Jan 27, 2022, at 9:44 AM, john adank <lseap107@...> wrote:
? I¡¯m also interested in this conversation as I want to upgrade my 14¡± Delta and purchase a new 14¡± saw with larger table and better guides. ?I would also like to purchase an additional bandsaw just for re-sawing. ?I¡¯ve looked at the Laguna 14bx for smaller work as well as the LT18 Resaw Master for larger projects. ?I¡¯m also considering the Minimax S440P or old MM16. ?I¡¯ve spoken to Sam Blasco of Minimax a few times about this saw. ?It¡¯s well made but I wish it had an adjustable height fence. ?He has an older outdated video on this saw and it looks quite versatile for re-sawing and curved/scroll work.
John Adank Onalaska, WI On Jan 27, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Tom,?
I ordered a handful of small parts for ceramic guides that took over 6 months to receive in multiple deliveries. It was a painful experience. I'm convinced Laguna is a well oiled import machine, but not convinced they are really a "services after the sale" kind of company. Furthermore, I think I went through this process and looked at the same machine? a few years back and at that time they had availability issues, nothing in the warehouse to sell at the time, and I couldn't find anyone who owned one to reference an opinion. I will also say as I have learned, 5hp is the minimum I'd consider for any substantial resawing quantities. I have? a contact that bought an LT24 used/auction and immediately determined the 5 hp to be junk and mounted a 10hp in its place because it was the biggest that he could fit. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM < tom@...> wrote: Resurrecting this thread to pose the following question:?
I currently have a Laguna LT14SUV (14" Asian-made machine, 14" resaw, 3 hp motor) that I'd like to set up just for curved work, and adding a second band saw that I'd use as a dedicated ripping machine. I'm running a one-person operation and seem to be specializing in taking on small, one-off jobs, working directly with clients or serving as back-up for other local shops. I'm currently in a ~700 sq-ft Shop, so space is a bit of an issue (likely prevents the 30"+ machines), but it's possible I could sneak in a 24" machine.?
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
Highlights:
-- Leeson 5hp motor, available in 3-phase
-- Italian-made, not sure who though (likely ACM?)
-- 18" resaw height
-- Uses the Laguna ceramic guides
-- Cost is comparable to a FB610
-- Accepts a 2" blade
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony", but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if "more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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I¡¯m also interested in this conversation as I want to upgrade my 14¡± Delta and purchase a new 14¡± saw with larger table and better guides. ?I would also like to purchase an additional bandsaw just for re-sawing. ?I¡¯ve looked at the Laguna 14bx for smaller work as well as the LT18 Resaw Master for larger projects. ?I¡¯m also considering the Minimax S440P or old MM16. ?I¡¯ve spoken to Sam Blasco of Minimax a few times about this saw. ?It¡¯s well made but I wish it had an adjustable height fence. ?He has an older outdated video on this saw and it looks quite versatile for re-sawing and curved/scroll work.
John Adank
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On Jan 27, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? Tom,?
I ordered a handful of small parts for ceramic guides that took over 6 months to receive in multiple deliveries. It was a painful experience. I'm convinced Laguna is a well oiled import machine, but not convinced they are really a "services after the sale" kind of company. Furthermore, I think I went through this process and looked at the same machine? a few years back and at that time they had availability issues, nothing in the warehouse to sell at the time, and I couldn't find anyone who owned one to reference an opinion. I will also say as I have learned, 5hp is the minimum I'd consider for any substantial resawing quantities. I have? a contact that bought an LT24 used/auction and immediately determined the 5 hp to be junk and mounted a 10hp in its place because it was the biggest that he could fit. On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM < tom@...> wrote: Resurrecting this thread to pose the following question:?
I currently have a Laguna LT14SUV (14" Asian-made machine, 14" resaw, 3 hp motor) that I'd like to set up just for curved work, and adding a second band saw that I'd use as a dedicated ripping machine. I'm running a one-person operation and seem to be specializing in taking on small, one-off jobs, working directly with clients or serving as back-up for other local shops. I'm currently in a ~700 sq-ft Shop, so space is a bit of an issue (likely prevents the 30"+ machines), but it's possible I could sneak in a 24" machine.?
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
Highlights:
-- Leeson 5hp motor, available in 3-phase
-- Italian-made, not sure who though (likely ACM?)
-- 18" resaw height
-- Uses the Laguna ceramic guides
-- Cost is comparable to a FB610
-- Accepts a 2" blade
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony", but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if "more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Tom,?
I ordered a handful of small parts for ceramic guides that took over 6 months to receive in multiple deliveries. It was a painful experience. I'm convinced Laguna is a well oiled import machine, but not convinced they are really a "services after the sale" kind of company. Furthermore, I think I went through this process and looked at the same machine? a few years back and at that time they had availability issues, nothing in the warehouse to sell at the time, and I couldn't find anyone who owned one to reference an opinion. I will also say as I have learned, 5hp is the minimum I'd consider for any substantial resawing quantities. I have? a contact that bought an LT24 used/auction and immediately determined the 5 hp to be junk and mounted a 10hp in its place because it was the biggest that he could fit.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM < tom@...> wrote: Resurrecting this thread to pose the following question:?
I currently have a Laguna LT14SUV (14" Asian-made machine, 14" resaw, 3 hp motor) that I'd like to set up just for curved work, and adding a second band saw that I'd use as a dedicated ripping machine. I'm running a one-person operation and seem to be specializing in taking on small, one-off jobs, working directly with clients or serving as back-up for other local shops. I'm currently in a ~700 sq-ft Shop, so space is a bit of an issue (likely prevents the 30"+ machines), but it's possible I could sneak in a 24" machine.?
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
Highlights:
-- Leeson 5hp motor, available in 3-phase
-- Italian-made, not sure who though (likely ACM?)
-- 18" resaw height
-- Uses the Laguna ceramic guides
-- Cost is comparable to a FB610
-- Accepts a 2" blade
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony", but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if "more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Resurrecting this thread to pose the following question:?
I currently have a Laguna LT14SUV (14" Asian-made machine, 14" resaw, 3 hp motor) that I'd like to set up just for curved work, and adding a second band saw that I'd use as a dedicated ripping machine. I'm running a one-person operation and seem to be specializing in taking on small, one-off jobs, working directly with clients or serving as back-up for other local shops. I'm currently in a ~700 sq-ft Shop, so space is a bit of an issue (likely prevents the 30"+ machines), but it's possible I could sneak in a 24" machine.?
I had been looking at a FB610 for my ripping saw, but I came across the Laguna LT18 Resaw Master and I think it might be the perfect fit for my needs, but wanted to defer to the wisdom of the Group.?
Laguna LT18 Resaw Master:??
Highlights:
-- Leeson 5hp motor, available in 3-phase
-- Italian-made, not sure who though (likely ACM?)
-- 18" resaw height
-- Uses the Laguna ceramic guides
-- Cost is comparable to a FB610
-- Accepts a 2" blade
The appeal to me of this machine is that it fulfills my wish for a capable ripping/resaw machine in a relatively compact package. I spoke with Rick down at Laguna and he said that the saw is really only meant to take a 2" blade, and that anything smaller would require a lot of fussing. So, it's going to be a "one trick pony", but since that'd what I'm after it shouldn't be a problem, right??
Ultimately, I suppose my questions to the group are:
-- Is there a significant advantage to acquiring a machine that can pull a 2" blade, compared to a more "standard" machine that would pull, say, a 1-1/4" blade? Again, I'm after a dedicated ripping machine, so the 2" capacity appeals to me, but I wonder if "more" somehow doesn't translate to "better" in this situation??
-- I heard that Laguna had developed a horrendous reputation for poor or nonexistent support awhile back, but it was my understanding that there was a shakeup in Management a few years ago and that things have improved since then. Does anybody have any input or knowledge on the current state of affairs there??
Thank you in advance for any input.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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