Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Hi Ray,
Looks like you got a lot of info to go through. Maybe someone in Dallas area will help you out however if all else fails, I suggest the following: What are the top 3 or 5 or 10 operations you know to carry out on a typical American table saw but not sure how to do on your Hammer?
Maybe the collective here can give you specific guidance.
If you do post these questions, I suggest you do so individually, so answers remain segregated.
Imran
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On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:34 AM, SirRey <sirrey@...> wrote: ? Unfortunately I'm in The Dallas / Fort Worth area or I would take you up on that.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:35 PM PK < pk@...> wrote: Ray,
Where are you located?? If you are in Southern California, I would be happy to host you for an afternoon.
PK
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Ray,
You could attend AWFS in Atlanta later this year.? You could play with all the sliders and ask a million questions about processes.? There aren't a lot of reps that actually do woodworking, but there are a few.
As soon as you break the habit of standing behind the blade, things will progress quickly.? For me, when I do have to stand behind the blade for a process (not many) I feel uncomfortable and look to jigs etc, to get me away from that position.
PK
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Re: Cross cut fence zero clearance insert
#k700s
Am curious if 3d printing a zci is viable out of either ABS or nylon. Thinking PLA might be too brittle.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 6:56 AM Mike < mike@...> wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your helpful comments. My wish list was created to save time. Now, I realize it would take more time (and money) to source most of them than to make them or make due.
- I will fill the gaps on my heat-shrunk 4" elbow for the overhead guard and ignore it.
- Last night I "machined" slider inserts with a hand plane using a scrap of 150-yr-old oak (very hard and stable).
- I'll continue using hose for the shaper duct, similar to Bill's picture.?
This leaves the zero-clearance throat plate. I'm tired of pulling slivers of wood out of the ducts when they get sucked in, and I don't want to dedicate the time to making the throat plate. I wonder if something other than the $82 Felder () is available. Since John Renzetti's email was omitted and I have a KF700S (not a K940), I'm still looking.
Thanks again,
Mike
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Unfortunately I'm in The Dallas / Fort Worth area or I would take you up on that.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:35 PM PK < pk@...> wrote: Ray,
Where are you located?? If you are in Southern California, I would be happy to host you for an afternoon.
PK
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
I¡¯m in Cincinnati Ohio if you want to swing by my shop?
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Thanks for the feedback fellas, very helpful. sounds like the Resaw Master is ¡°out¡±, I¡¯ll take a hard look at the FB610, as well as the SCM S 640P. I¡¯m curious to see if Felder would build a 610 with the 7.5hp motor from the 710¡ Thanks again for the input.
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Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
On 1/27/22 2:55 PM, Jared Leach wrote: A3-41, as it takes a good 3-5 seconds to get up to speed. Is that normal? Hold the power button on till it's up to speed.? that keeps the start capacitors engaged.? Failure to do so can harm your motor
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
On 1/27/22 2:17 PM, Mark Foster wrote: It¡¯s the same kid they use to install capacitors on the A3-31. And the damn Rip Fence.? I made a replacement when the factory one broke. It's ten times better. Child labor law should apply~!!!
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Third-ed.? I bought one of Ramon¡¯s ZCI for my K3 and it¡¯s perfect.? Frankly I do not consider the saw (and from what I can tell from videos would apply to almost every stock slider out there) safe without it.? The large gap was trapping thin off-cuts and throwing them all over the place.? Given they make dado blades illegal in Europe (which I consider safe if you don¡¯t do something inappropriate) I can¡¯t believe the stock plates are allowed. ??
On the K3 overall, it¡¯s awesome, and I¡¯m so annoyed I didn¡¯t get a slider many years ago.? Word of caution on watching some of the linked videos (in particular Extreme Woodworking), in that they may indeed temp you to dump your K3, but only to get an even better slider.?
Ray,
I would second Michael's suggestion and check out?Ramon's?videos. He also makes a zero clearance plate for the K-3 that is top quality.
Tim House On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 1:24 PM SirRey < sirrey@...> wrote:
?So several years back I bought a K3 Winner and a A3-31 (Home Hobbiest here).? I use to have a Delta Contractor Table Saw before and thought I would move to a Slider for safety and because I wasn't sold on the Saw Stop (Still not 100% Sold on it)?
?Anyways for the last several years the K3 hasn't been used much as there aren't a whole lot of resources out there on using it or jigs.? I'm not contemplating getting another American style saw (PM 2000b or a Saw Stop ICS) I want to give the K3 another chance before I pull the plug on it.?
Outside of here is there forms or youtube channels or anything that will help me learn to use this better?? I'm in the USA and there just isn't a whole lot of information out there that I can find.
Appreciate it.
Ray
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
John,
I made the mistake?of cutting some hardwood w/o lowering the unit or removing the blade and broke the rubber feed belt. It is an easy reinstall.?
Tim House
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 7:19 PM John Huelsenbeck < johnh@...> wrote: Hi All,
I received? my Hammer K3 sliding table saw almost two weeks ago. I
used made a few cuts with the scoring blade within a few days of
setting up the saw, and was happy with the results.
Today, I was setting up to cut some plywood and I realized that it is
no longer working (the scoring blade does not spin when the saw is
powered up, as it should.
Does anyone have an idea of what I should do? Is there an easy fix?
Thanks,
JH
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John Huelsenbeck
Department of Integrative Biology
University of California, Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510) 502-5887
johnh@...
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Ray,
I would second Michael's suggestion and check out?Ramon's?videos. He also makes a zero clearance plate for the K-3 that is top quality.
Tim House
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 1:24 PM SirRey < sirrey@...> wrote:
?So several years back I bought a K3 Winner and a A3-31 (Home Hobbiest here).? I use to have a Delta Contractor Table Saw before and thought I would move to a Slider for safety and because I wasn't sold on the Saw Stop (Still not 100% Sold on it)?
?Anyways for the last several years the K3 hasn't been used much as there aren't a whole lot of resources out there on using it or jigs.? I'm not contemplating getting another American style saw (PM 2000b or a Saw Stop ICS) I want to give the K3 another chance before I pull the plug on it.?
Outside of here is there forms or youtube channels or anything that will help me learn to use this better?? I'm in the USA and there just isn't a whole lot of information out there that I can find.
Appreciate it.
Ray
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Hi Ray,?
Ramon Valdez (who I think is here on the FOG) has some excellent videos on his YouTube channel.?
Here's the first of a two part series he's done on sliders (he has a K3 too).
Cheers
Michael?
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Check out the "Extreme Woodworker" on Youtube.? Steve has a nice
series on using a slider:?
On 1/27/2022 12:35 PM, PK wrote:
Ray,
Where are you located?? If you are in Southern California, I would
be happy to host you for an afternoon.
PK
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
I believe you still have a start capacitor. I am not sure about Felder (all mine are 3 phase) but on my Laguna band saw (single phase) I have to go past the switch resting position to engage the start capacitor. Once up to speed I let it go and the spring loaded switch returns to it¡¯s resting position. Normally the start capacitor is disengaged by a centrifugal switch but in this case operator is doing the job. I would imagine Felder has a similar setup.
Imran
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On Jan 27, 2022, at 3:14 PM, Jacques Gagnon <jacques.gagnon309@...> wrote: ?Jared,
I have been told by Felder that the start button needs to be held momentarily until the tool has reached full speed. While this is almost instantaneous on the saw when only running with a single blade, it takes ? longer ? on the J/P or on the spindle (more mass).
It is different than what I was accustomed to on my old machines, which had start capacitors.
Regards,
Jacques
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This is mostly in response to Ray's question about resources for his
Hammer K3. He clearly is considering putting the machine out of its
(his?) misery, but I hope he looks at these resources before he does
that!
Despite the fact that I was obviously annoyed by the scoring unit on
my machine, I have been as happy as a clam (a notoriously happy
animal) using my Hammer K3. I'll give a list of resources at the end
of this message, but I'll just say a few things that impress me.
First, you don't need a lot of jigs to use a sliding table saw to its
fullest. The only one I would recommend is the Fritz & Franz jig. (Are
there other jigs I'm missing that are useful for sliding table saws?)
One of the things that I don't like about North American style table
saws is that you need to construct a bunch of jigs to do things like
cross cutting, something a sliding table saw does out of the box if
it's equipped with a cross cut fence. Second, I do like the inherently
safer way in which you operate the sliding table saw. When using a NA
style saw, I feel as if I have a big target on my head. Finally, I'm
quite happy with the precision and quality of the machine. I am using
commie units in my woodworking: I can cut repeatedly to within a
fraction of a millimeter.
Now for some resources that I have found useful:
1.
Marius is a German kid who set up a workshop in his parent's basement
in Germany. I love the fact that he constructs almost all of the
things he needs in his shop by himself. He is a stickler for precision
and even discovered a design flaw in the Hammer K3 crosscut fence
stop. He designed a fix and sold it for a while. Felder invited him to
their factory where they showed him their solution to the problem,
which they sell on their online shop. (Which brings up the question:
Why the fuck does Felder still equip the Hammer K3 saws with the
faulty stop while at the same time selling the working version online.
There should be a law against this!) Marius also has an excellent
review of the Hammer K3 he bought.
2.
Sam Blasco uses a sliding table saw extensively in his shop and has
some excellent videos on its use.
3.
I can totally identify with this guy. Middle aged. Bald. Clearly a
techie. He has videos on the thought process he went through when
purchasing a combo machine. He has also bought some of the higher-end
third party items you can buy for the Hammer, such as those sold by
Lamb Toolworks.
4.
This guy is a Hammer K3 enthusiast, though his delivery is a bit
stiff. He seems to be obsessed with precision and accuracy and has
even tested the accuracy of the angle gauge that you can buy as an add
on for the saw.
5.
Hoffman is another person who is a bit OCD about precision and
accuracy. He has videos that are quite useful for setting up the saw.
He also has a balanced video on the good and the bad on the saw.
6.
Canadian dude who speaks in Canadian. He has a Felder line sliding
table saw and an impeccably neat shop which I drool over.
7.
Bedrosian is a retired engineer who makes beautiful stuff. He has many
creative design solutions to flaws in the Hammer K3, such as the
position of the on/off switch. He also sells a first-rate Fritz &
Franz jig, which I bought. His instagram page also has links to Hammer
resources.
8.
And last, but not least, is Valdez who has videos on the use of a
sliding table saw. He owns a Hammer K3. He also sells excellent
zero-clearance inserts for the Hammer K3 which are superior to those
sold by Felder (there's more support on the table side of the insert).
I hope that this helps! It would be wonderful if we could have a web
site (perhaps a wiki) to which people could contribute on the set up,
maintenance, and use of Felder equipment.
Take care,
JH
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John Huelsenbeck
Department of Integrative Biology
University of California, Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510) 502-5887
johnh@...
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Re: K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
Ray,
Where are you located?? If you are in Southern California, I would be happy to host you for an afternoon.
PK
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K3 Winner / Sliding Table Saws
?So several years back I bought a K3 Winner and a A3-31 (Home Hobbiest here).? I use to have a Delta Contractor Table Saw before and thought I would move to a Slider for safety and because I wasn't sold on the Saw Stop (Still not 100% Sold on it)?
?Anyways for the last several years the K3 hasn't been used much as there aren't a whole lot of resources out there on using it or jigs.? I'm not contemplating getting another American style saw (PM 2000b or a Saw Stop ICS) I want to give the K3 another chance before I pull the plug on it.?
Outside of here is there forms or youtube channels or anything that will help me learn to use this better?? I'm in the USA and there just isn't a whole lot of information out there that I can find.
Appreciate it.
Ray
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
Jared,
I have been told by Felder that the start button needs to be held momentarily until the tool has reached full speed. While this is almost instantaneous on the saw when only running with a single blade, it takes ? longer ? on the J/P or on the spindle (more mass).
It is different than what I was accustomed to on my old machines, which had start capacitors.
Regards,
Jacques
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
Thanks, everyone, for your comments on my K3 scoring unit issue.
Felder is sending me a new belt. I didn't realize that the belt for
the K3 scoring unit is so finicky. I'll take care to treat it
gingerly. And, I'll likely buy a few spare belts.
JH
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:55 AM Jared Leach <leach.jared@...> wrote:
Speaking of that. I assumed that there¡¯s a slow start on my A3-41, as it takes a good 3-5 seconds to get up to speed. Is that normal?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:18 AM Mark Foster <mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
It¡¯s the same kid they use to install capacitors on the A3-31.
Mark
On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:39 AM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via groups.io <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
it's the belt. They used some child on take your toddler to work day to
design it
On 1/26/22 9:19 PM, John Huelsenbeck wrote:
Hi All,
I received my Hammer K3 sliding table saw almost two weeks ago. I
used made a few cuts with the scoring blade within a few days of
setting up the saw, and was happy with the results.
Today, I was setting up to cut some plywood and I realized that it is
no longer working (the scoring blade does not spin when the saw is
powered up, as it should.
Does anyone have an idea of what I should do? Is there an easy fix?
Thanks,
JH
--
Mark Foster
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John Huelsenbeck
Department of Integrative Biology
University of California, Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510) 502-5887
johnh@...
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Re: Hammer K3 scoring unit
Speaking of that. I assumed that there¡¯s a slow start on my A3-41, as it takes a good 3-5 seconds to get up to speed. Is that normal?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:18 AM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: It¡¯s the same kid they use to install capacitors on the A3-31.
Mark
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 8:39 AM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via <rohrabacher=[email protected]> wrote:
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> it's the belt. They used? some child on take your toddler to work day to
> design it
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> On 1/26/22 9:19 PM, John Huelsenbeck wrote:
>> Hi All,
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>> I received? my Hammer K3 sliding table saw almost two weeks ago. I
>> used made a few cuts with the scoring blade within a few days of
>> setting up the saw, and was happy with the results.
>>
>> Today, I was setting up to cut some plywood and I realized that it is
>> no longer working (the scoring blade does not spin when the saw is
>> powered up, as it should.
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea of what I should do? Is there an easy fix?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> JH
>>
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