Re: The Log Mantle Project
Just realized, thinking of the next step, I could have jointed the back side 90 deg with the log mounted on top of a flat board with a jointed straight edge which is just recessed enough to not have any voids.
I have a spiral planning cutter with a bearing on bottom. After the first pass using the bottom board edge, raise the cutter and do another pass using the planned surface on first pass. Unfortunately, would still require flipping the log and the cutter for final pass. Still, not sure how well this heavy material would feed but the slider should help.
Imran
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On Mar 16, 2021, at 8:46 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Well yesterday I worked on the mantle I mentioned earlier seeking hanging advice. It took some time because my neighbor had miss calculated and the log was not long enough for main section and a return on each side. He had to go back and cut more off the same tree to have extra for the 2nd return.
Anyhow, it was more challenging than I thought on one account, more on this later. Log was 11¡± wide, 7¡± thick and 8.5ft long with live edge front. It weighed plenty, I guess around 150#.
It was not an issue to plane the bottom on jointer. I was not sure if the planer will self feed this behemoth but it did with aplomb. I did not attempt to joint the rough sawn back 90 deg to the top or bottom because I just did not think the tradition way would work even with a PF. Should I have tried holding this log face against the Dual51 fence?
The largest blade (350mm) that fits my K975 would not cut anywhere near 7¡± so all cuts required 2 passes. With only 1 (somewhat) flat side to put against the xcut fence each 45 deg cut required one pass in the conventional way with the xcut fence set to 45 deg. The 2nd pass had to be done with the xcut fence installed on the opposite side of the outrigger and set to opposing 45 deg. However the material had to be placed against the opposite side of the xcut fence than conventional use. This is where I was surprised. I missed the fact that there is not enough room (between fence and blade) to fit 11¡± wide material. This would be okay with a normal blade but 350mm blade does not go below the table. So change blade and bring it up into the material. So every 45 required one cut with 300mm & the 2nd with 350mm.
With not having a flat back it was very hard to get both cuts to line up. So shim here or there to get as close as possible. It turned out fine.
I would love to hear if there is a way to joint such big material and any other technique I could have used.
Imran
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Re: The Log Mantle Project
Hi Ameer,
I can try to locate it but really there were no super details. The consensus was that French cleat is a really good way to hang it, especially if it is important to keep it tight against the wall.
Oh, I forgot, David Best did shared another method in the usual David super detail way. Maybe I do need to find the thread.
Here is the thread:
Imran
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On Mar 16, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Ameer N. <highentropy@...> wrote: ?Imran,
Where is the thread you posted about hanging this mantle? I'm very interested in mantle hanging techniques at the moment.
thanks,
Ameer
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Re: The Log Mantle Project
Imran,
Where is the thread you posted about hanging this mantle? I'm very interested in mantle hanging techniques at the moment.
thanks,
Ameer
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Re: The Log Mantle Project
Mark,
I couldn¡¯t have done it by myself. My neighbor helped. Fortunately, I did remember to wear my back brace.
Imran
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On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:46 PM, Mark Foster <mfsta2lt@...> wrote: ?I hope you ate your Wheaties before starting that. It¡¯s a hernia maker. Mark On Mar 16, 2021, at 17:46, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Well yesterday I worked on the mantle I mentioned earlier seeking hanging advice. It took some time because my neighbor had miss calculated and the log was not long enough for main section and a return on each side. He had to go back and cut more off the same tree to have extra for the 2nd return.
Anyhow, it was more challenging than I thought on one account, more on this later. Log was 11¡± wide, 7¡± thick and 8.5ft long with live edge front. It weighed plenty, I guess around 150#.
It was not an issue to plane the bottom on jointer. I was not sure if the planer will self feed this behemoth but it did with aplomb. I did not attempt to joint the rough sawn back 90 deg to the top or bottom because I just did not think the tradition way would work even with a PF. Should I have tried holding this log face against the Dual51 fence?
The largest blade (350mm) that fits my K975 would not cut anywhere near 7¡± so all cuts required 2 passes. With only 1 (somewhat) flat side to put against the xcut fence each 45 deg cut required one pass in the conventional way with the xcut fence set to 45 deg. The 2nd pass had to be done with the xcut fence installed on the opposite side of the outrigger and set to opposing 45 deg. However the material had to be placed against the opposite side of the xcut fence than conventional use. This is where I was surprised. I missed the fact that there is not enough room (between fence and blade) to fit 11¡± wide material. This would be okay with a normal blade but 350mm blade does not go below the table. So change blade and bring it up into the material. So every 45 required one cut with 300mm & the 2nd with 350mm.
With not having a flat back it was very hard to get both cuts to line up. So shim here or there to get as close as possible. It turned out fine.
I would love to hear if there is a way to joint such big material and any other technique I could have used.
Imran
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Re: The Log Mantle Project
I hope you ate your Wheaties before starting that. It¡¯s a hernia maker.
Mark
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On Mar 16, 2021, at 17:46, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Well yesterday I worked on the mantle I mentioned earlier seeking hanging advice. It took some time because my neighbor had miss calculated and the log was not long enough for main section and a return on each side. He had to go back and cut more off the same tree to have extra for the 2nd return.
Anyhow, it was more challenging than I thought on one account, more on this later. Log was 11¡± wide, 7¡± thick and 8.5ft long with live edge front. It weighed plenty, I guess around 150#.
It was not an issue to plane the bottom on jointer. I was not sure if the planer will self feed this behemoth but it did with aplomb. I did not attempt to joint the rough sawn back 90 deg to the top or bottom because I just did not think the tradition way would work even with a PF. Should I have tried holding this log face against the Dual51 fence?
The largest blade (350mm) that fits my K975 would not cut anywhere near 7¡± so all cuts required 2 passes. With only 1 (somewhat) flat side to put against the xcut fence each 45 deg cut required one pass in the conventional way with the xcut fence set to 45 deg. The 2nd pass had to be done with the xcut fence installed on the opposite side of the outrigger and set to opposing 45 deg. However the material had to be placed against the opposite side of the xcut fence than conventional use. This is where I was surprised. I missed the fact that there is not enough room (between fence and blade) to fit 11¡± wide material. This would be okay with a normal blade but 350mm blade does not go below the table. So change blade and bring it up into the material. So every 45 required one cut with 300mm & the 2nd with 350mm.
With not having a flat back it was very hard to get both cuts to line up. So shim here or there to get as close as possible. It turned out fine.
I would love to hear if there is a way to joint such big material and any other technique I could have used.
Imran
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Well yesterday I worked on the mantle I mentioned earlier seeking hanging advice. It took some time because my neighbor had miss calculated and the log was not long enough for main section and a return on each side. He had to go back and cut more off the same tree to have extra for the 2nd return.
Anyhow, it was more challenging than I thought on one account, more on this later. Log was 11¡± wide, 7¡± thick and 8.5ft long with live edge front. It weighed plenty, I guess around 150#.
It was not an issue to plane the bottom on jointer. I was not sure if the planer will self feed this behemoth but it did with aplomb. I did not attempt to joint the rough sawn back 90 deg to the top or bottom because I just did not think the tradition way would work even with a PF. Should I have tried holding this log face against the Dual51 fence?
The largest blade (350mm) that fits my K975 would not cut anywhere near 7¡± so all cuts required 2 passes. With only 1 (somewhat) flat side to put against the xcut fence each 45 deg cut required one pass in the conventional way with the xcut fence set to 45 deg. The 2nd pass had to be done with the xcut fence installed on the opposite side of the outrigger and set to opposing 45 deg. However the material had to be placed against the opposite side of the xcut fence than conventional use. This is where I was surprised. I missed the fact that there is not enough room (between fence and blade) to fit 11¡± wide material. This would be okay with a normal blade but 350mm blade does not go below the table. So change blade and bring it up into the material. So every 45 required one cut with 300mm & the 2nd with 350mm.
With not having a flat back it was very hard to get both cuts to line up. So shim here or there to get as close as possible. It turned out fine.
I would love to hear if there is a way to joint such big material and any other technique I could have used.
Imran
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Hey Brett, Do you have a good idea of how you will be using a bander?
I've always glued and clamped hardwood strips, but last year I had a large frameless kitchen. I got a used hot air machine from a buddy who moved up to a glue pot machine so he could run 3mm pvc. All my boxes are Columbia veneer core prefinished maple ply. It works quite well. I set the top and bottom trimming to about .005 over, and just clean it up with a plane blade. It saved me a ton of time. I've? tried peeling a piece off, and it breaks. I was pretty impressed. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Brett, Interesting you post this, I am down to buying my last machines. Edgebander and Wide belt. Like you I donut want to buy used as There are too many unknowns. I have looked at a lot of wide belts at the AWFS and here the same things "ours are the best" and I keep looking because I don't know enough about them to make an educated decision. As with the Edge Bander my case is somewhat the same. I had a? Felder 330 on my order but pulled it off as my concern is more of how much time do I need to spend maintaining this if it only gets used every few weeks as would be in my case.
I have looked at all, Handheld, small mini countertop models and the likes of the 330. I'm not even sure where to go except I think the hand held is out do to my shaky hands. I would like to find something that is reasonably priced and that end trims and flush trims, which I believe takes out all the bench tops so I may be back to something of the 330. I need to really dig into how much time spent on glue pots and maintenance.?
For now I continue doing it the old fashioned way with the iron and hand trimmers but it is getting old. I look forward to following this conversation as it will also help me to make a decision on which way to go. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
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I'm starting to put together a plan for edgebanders. I am a novice at any edgebander brand, model, method. At this point it's a strategic step that may happen sooner or later, but I want to start considering it now since there seems a lot to?consider. Like wide belt sanders, there seems to be a lot of danger in buying bad apples in ex factory auctions and otherwise secondhand I'd prefer to avoid. Does anyone have any good advice, resources, opinions, experience to get this conversation going?
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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For production work, I outsource edgebanding to a local high volume shop that produces Ikea-like closet solutions. Production edgebanding machines are very maintenance intensive, especially if run intermittently. ??Depending on your volume, you might be a lot better off outsourcing big projects, and using a handheld bander like the Festool or the ForKa (sold by Felder and others). ?For in-house work (typically thicker hardwood banding), I devised a clamping table system that works great, but is certainly low volume. ?I have done a lot of edgebanding with that simple clamping table in conjunction with a lipping planer to trim flush after glue-up. ?Details on that are here: ??
David Best
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I'm starting to put together a plan for edgebanders. I am a novice at any edgebander brand, model, method. At this point it's a strategic step that may happen sooner or later, but I want to start considering it now since there seems a lot to?consider. Like wide belt sanders, there seems to be a lot of danger in buying bad apples in ex factory auctions and otherwise secondhand I'd prefer to avoid. Does anyone have any good advice, resources, opinions, experience to get this conversation going?
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Probably not what you¡¯re looking for but (given my scale, one man shop and don¡¯t do a lot of edgebanding) I went with a Festool Conturo (the trim router and the vacuum clamps).? Does a great job for the projects that need it.? Makes for an efficient workflow without the space commitment.
Mike
I'm starting to put together a plan for edgebanders. I am a novice at any edgebander brand, model, method. At this point it's a strategic step that may happen sooner or later, but I want to start considering it now since there seems a lot to?consider. Like wide belt sanders, there seems to be a lot of danger in buying bad apples in ex factory auctions and otherwise secondhand I'd prefer to avoid. Does anyone have any good advice, resources, opinions, experience to get this conversation going?
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Hi Brett!?
As an initial response, I'll volunteer that I am currently performing precious little edge banding, so I'm an example of a (very!) low volume shop. For what little edge banding I do apply, I am using the Festool Conturo handheld edge bander. Given my space constraints and low volume needs, it's been nice to have around.?
Pros:
-- Small footprint when not in use. The tool occupies a Systainer 5, the accessories another Systainer 5, plus a trimming router, plus whatever inventory you want to maintain of glue and banding
-- I've rarely used it, but the MFT/3 table for the Conturo is handy for shelving and other smaller parts (I subscribe to the "bring the small thing to the big thing" relationship between the work and tools). When not in use, the table folds up and can be stored out of the way
-- Setup/warmup time is reasonable, I think around ten minutes??
-- Swapping between glue colors is pretty straightforward. The purging process burns through a puck or two, but I haven't found it to be a big deal
-- You're locked into using the Festool glue, but you can use just about any non-glued edge banding you want. I have used hardwood veneer and 2mm PVC without issue.?
Cons:
-- This is in no way a production machine. Apparently some production shops keep a Conturo around for inside corner work, but otherwise yeah this is a small scale machine.?
-- Cost. At $3k for just the machine, plus accessories, it's not inexpensive, though I suppose it's a drop in the bucket compared to free-standing machines.?
-- Skill: Since this is primarily a hand-held machine, there's some amount of finesse/attention necessary to dial the settings in properly and actually applying the banding. If employees will be using the machine, it may not be a great fit.?
-- You'll need to follow along after applying the banding with a router to trim the excess. Again, this can take some skill..
Anyways, I suspect you are primarily looking for input on free-standing equipment, but hopefully if nothing else the Conturo can establish a benchmark in terms of the small end of the spectrum. Good luck on your hunt!
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Felder Universal Diamond saw blade, does anyone have or used one.
Thanks, ?I have watched the blade at a woodworking show and it is amazing. I was going to buy until I read a knot could damage it. I have not talked to anyone that has hit a knot with it. As to the deflection it cut a 2¡± piece of hard wood and the guy using it was impressed as it was his first time using it. The cut was great I was looking for people that have used it and hit knots and other hard spots, as I know metal would kill it. At that time $520 was a lot for a blade. They did not have any listed around the time I could have gotten 10% off but my loss. So if anyone that has the blade and they would like to cut some knots let me know. Lol. It seems others have been on the fence. Doug
On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 04:20:37 PM EDT, Shinta Wakahisa via groups.io <vnh84@...> wrote:
I put the blade in the cart and went to check out as a guest at sautershop.com.? USA as a shipping destination country was a choice among all the countries listed in the drop down menu.? This is just an exercise, so I did not go through the entire check out process.? I am happy with my Felder and Tenryu blades, but have thought that this blade would be interesting to cut box lids from the box when building small boxes.? Reading of the deflection issue gives me pause.? I noticed that Felder ran out of stock in about a week after it was listed on the e-shop, so there are plenty of people buying and using it.??
SW
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I'm starting to put together a plan for edgebanders. I am a novice at any edgebander brand, model, method. At this point it's a strategic step that may happen sooner or later, but I want to start considering it now since there seems a lot to?consider. Like wide belt sanders, there seems to be a lot of danger in buying bad apples in ex factory auctions and otherwise secondhand I'd prefer to avoid. Does anyone have any good advice, resources, opinions, experience to get this conversation going?
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: Felder Universal Diamond saw blade, does anyone have or used one.
Sautershop does ship to the USA.? Checkout allows you to enter a U.S. address.
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Re: Felder Universal Diamond saw blade, does anyone have or used one.
I put the blade in the cart and went to check out as a guest at sautershop.com.? USA as a shipping destination country was a choice among all the countries listed in the drop down menu.? This is just an exercise, so I did not go through the entire check out process.? I am happy with my Felder and Tenryu blades, but have thought that this blade would be interesting to cut box lids from the box when building small boxes.? Reading of the deflection issue gives me pause.? I noticed that Felder ran out of stock in about a week after it was listed on the e-shop, so there are plenty of people buying and using it.??
SW
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Re: Felder Universal Diamond saw blade, does anyone have or used one.
They don¡¯t list the USA, as a place to ship. It seems like a lot of companies out of the USA show a lower price. If anyone buys a blade from them her in the USA let me know. Thanks Doug
On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 02:00:59 PM EDT, scottshimmin via groups.io <scottshimmin@...> wrote:
The blades are also available at a lower price at:?? Even including shipping the price is significantly lower than buying from Felder, and from my understanding, the Felder blade is a rebadged AKE blade.
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Re: Felder Universal Diamond saw blade, does anyone have or used one.
The blades are also available at a lower price at:?? Even including shipping the price is significantly lower than buying from Felder, and from my understanding, the Felder blade is a rebadged AKE blade.
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Re: Felder Universal Diamond saw blade, does anyone have or used one.
You also need the 2mm riving knife. So factor that into the cost.?
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Re: Felder Universal Diamond saw blade, does anyone have or used one.
Yes. Just general use. I am lazy and hate changing blades. I have cut walnut, white oak, and epoxy with no issues.?
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Re: Fiama magnetic tape alternatives
I got the information back and I can sell the banding for the price I have been, which is $90 per meter. If you need some just let me know. I am getting low on inventory, but just ordered a new roll.
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Thanks a lot! ?Makes sense to see what your quote may be to resupply.?
Johannes On Mar 12, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
I sell the banding¡. Will have to double check the pricing if they have gone up that much, but I¡¯ll let you know.
Thanks a lot, Brian.?? Fiama doesn't provide clear specs on their tape so I would love to stick with the original.? Just resent being ripped off.
Best,
Johannes
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