Re: CNC (or at lest programmable) shaper setup adivce?
Brett,
Yes, that is Joe Calhoon's shop. You can find Joe in lots of youtube videos from Range youtube channel?
James
James,?
Thanks for the feedback - I suppose a better way to say it is: If I get one, I'd rather have as much support as possible to handle such items as large oversize doors. The machines with small sliding tables I've seen have?not had the support capabilities.
Love the video, that's Joe Calhoon's shop, right?? I love the slide-out support extension on that machine but definitely don't have the expertise or opinions on these higher-echelon shapers and welcome it!
Why do you want a large sliding table for the oversized door?? Martin makes the best sliding table, and they do not put it on their shaper, this tells you something.
Check the following youtube video.
Also, the flagship Format 4 profil 92 emotion from Felder does not have the sliding table either.
James
All,?
I am considering the cost/value proposition of investing in a shaper setup that has automated programmable?setup capacities (or more?). I am curious what your recommendations may be for shopping brands, models,? and options. I'm becoming less convinced that a used machine will show up on the market as I've been looking for a while and what I've seen has pretty much only been Joe in N.O.'s Profile45, but admittedly I was looking for a larger sliding table to run oversized door setups, and I'm not totally convinced the Felder offerings are the only ones I should be looking at.?
Currently I'm invested in the 700z-class of shaper and not sure I'd want to give them up. I'd even consider putting on an upgraded fence module that can give me the automatic adjustments, but not sure if it is possible or if I can do it feasibly compared to adding another machine.?
With tedious manual setup inefficiencies switching back and forth on small projects I'm assessing the opportunity cost of all those nickels and dimes per se.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: CNC (or at lest programmable) shaper setup adivce?
James,?
Thanks for the feedback - I suppose a better way to say it is: If I get one, I'd rather have as much support as possible to handle such items as large oversize doors. The machines with small sliding tables I've seen have?not had the support capabilities.
Love the video, that's Joe Calhoon's shop, right?? I love the slide-out support extension on that machine but definitely don't have the expertise or opinions on these higher-echelon shapers and welcome it!
Why do you want a large sliding table for the oversized door?? Martin makes the best sliding table, and they do not put it on their shaper, this tells you something.
Check the following youtube video.
Also, the flagship Format 4 profil 92 emotion from Felder does not have the sliding table either.
James
All,?
I am considering the cost/value proposition of investing in a shaper setup that has automated programmable?setup capacities (or more?). I am curious what your recommendations may be for shopping brands, models,? and options. I'm becoming less convinced that a used machine will show up on the market as I've been looking for a while and what I've seen has pretty much only been Joe in N.O.'s Profile45, but admittedly I was looking for a larger sliding table to run oversized door setups, and I'm not totally convinced the Felder offerings are the only ones I should be looking at.?
Currently I'm invested in the 700z-class of shaper and not sure I'd want to give them up. I'd even consider putting on an upgraded fence module that can give me the automatic adjustments, but not sure if it is possible or if I can do it feasibly compared to adding another machine.?
With tedious manual setup inefficiencies switching back and forth on small projects I'm assessing the opportunity cost of all those nickels and dimes per se.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
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On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:25 PM, David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I agree.? don't? know what is included but a full combo that is 14 years old would be in the price range of the saw shaper, 12K.? Dave
Its been a weird year, but those numbers seem like crazy town to me. That is great that they are so close you can go see them and shipping won't add to the cost.
Patrick
Hi All,
I am going to look at the machines right now and will post photos. However, my understanding is that they were used primarily by a hobbyist.
Mike Barrow
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Re: Cetol Door & Window now PPG Proluxe
Thanks Jason. Strangely, PPG 800 # is not working.
First coat has been absorbed completely by the early wood, so I was leaning towards sanding after the 2nd coat.
Imran
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On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote: ? I generally get a couple coats on, scuff lightly with 320 before my final coats. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
US $7,500 for 14 years AD741 is crazy.? ?
I paid CAD$ 11000 (US$ 8611) plus tax for my AD741 with power drive in 2016. I think the current exchange rate is about the same as in 2016.
James
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:43 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: That was about original cost when they were new if they are 14 years old. Prices seem high to me, but then without seeing them and what comes with, we are all guessing...
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> But whether they are worth that, or would I pay that, or can you find better for less in a month are all hypotheticals that are practically unknowable.
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
That was about original cost when they were new if they are 14 years old. Prices seem high to me, but then without seeing them and what comes with, we are all guessing...
Brian Lamb
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www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:15 PM, David Sabo via groups.io <sabo_dave@...> wrote:
1/2 of new cost and available TODAY doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.
But whether they are worth that, or would I pay that, or can you find better for less in a month are all hypotheticals that are practically unknowable.
Dave
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Re: Cetol Door & Window now PPG Proluxe
I generally get a couple coats on, scuff lightly with 320 before my final coats. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
I agree.? don't? know what is included but a full combo that is 14 years old would be in the price range of the saw shaper, 12K.? Dave
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Its been a weird year, but those numbers seem like crazy town to me. That is great that they are so close you can go see them and shipping won't add to the cost.
Patrick
Hi All,
I am going to look at the machines right now and will post photos. However, my understanding is that they were used primarily by a hobbyist.
Mike Barrow
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Mike Barrow
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
1/2 of new cost and available TODAY doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.
But whether they are worth that, or would I pay that, or can you find better for less in a month are all hypotheticals that are practically unknowable.
Dave
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Its been a weird year, but those numbers seem like crazy town to me. That is great that they are so close you can go see them and shipping won't add to the cost.
Patrick
Hi All,
I am going to look at the machines right now and will post photos. However, my understanding is that they were used primarily by a hobbyist.
Mike Barrow
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Mike Barrow
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Hi All,
I am going to look at the machines right now and will post photos. However, my understanding is that they were used primarily by a hobbyist.
Mike Barrow
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Mike,
Did you intend to include a link or pics?
Have the machines been in hobby use or commercial?
Hard to say without condition and other details. Shaper tooling can easily add $$$.
Imran
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On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Mike Barrow via groups.io <lunatuna23@...> wrote: ?Hoping you guys could help me understand if this used Jointer planer and Saw/Shaper is a good deal at $7,500 for the J/P and $12,500 for the 8.5' KF700SP. ?They come in what appears to be excellent condition, extension tables, some shaper tooling and the KF700 has digi-drive and variable motor speed with separate saw motors for main saw blade and scoring blade.
Seems like it might be a little on the high side for 14+ year old equipment, but....
Please let me know what you think.
Thanks!
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
My new KF700SP with a 10' slider cost somewhere in the $23,000 range, withe the following basic specs:
-- 7.5hp 3 phase package
-- Separate scoring motor
-- 3200mm slider
-- 1250mm rip with micro adjust?
-- All-mechanical adjustments (no power/digi-drive)
-- 1500 outrigger
-- Regular outrigger fence
-- Smaller miter fence
-- Parallel guide for X-Roll fence
-- Aigner fences for shaper
-- 1-1/4" and high speed router spindles
Ordered mid-2020, expecting delivery sometime in January. Hope this helps!?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
What do the current models cost ?
D
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KF700sp and AD741 used pricing
Hoping you guys could help me understand if this used Jointer planer and Saw/Shaper is a good deal at $7,500 for the J/P and $12,500 for the 8.5' KF700SP. ?They come in what appears to be excellent condition, extension tables, some shaper tooling and the KF700 has digi-drive and variable motor speed with separate saw motors for main saw blade and scoring blade.
Seems like it might be a little on the high side for 14+ year old equipment, but....
Please let me know what you think.
Thanks!
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Mike Barrow
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Re: CNC (or at lest programmable) shaper setup adivce?
Why do you want a large sliding table for the oversized door?? Martin makes the best sliding table, and they do not put it on their shaper, this tells you something.
Check the following youtube video.
Also, the flagship Format 4 profil 92 emotion from Felder does not have the sliding table either.
James
All,?
I am considering the cost/value proposition of investing in a shaper setup that has automated programmable?setup capacities (or more?). I am curious what your recommendations may be for shopping brands, models,? and options. I'm becoming less convinced that a used machine will show up on the market as I've been looking for a while and what I've seen has pretty much only been Joe in N.O.'s Profile45, but admittedly I was looking for a larger sliding table to run oversized door setups, and I'm not totally convinced the Felder offerings are the only ones I should be looking at.?
Currently I'm invested in the 700z-class of shaper and not sure I'd want to give them up. I'd even consider putting on an upgraded fence module that can give me the automatic adjustments, but not sure if it is possible or if I can do it feasibly compared to adding another machine.?
With tedious manual setup inefficiencies switching back and forth on small projects I'm assessing the opportunity cost of all those nickels and dimes per se.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: Cetol Door & Window now PPG Proluxe
There is no mention of sanding between coats in the application instructions. Any recommendations? I am applying it to western red cedar.
Imran
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:29 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ? I am applying it in shop . First time used the niosh ov/sd/hc/cl filters on my mask. These are ~15 yrs old. Did not smell a thing until i took them off before leaving the shop, so I guess they work. I could smell my jacket once in the house, so put that in the garage. Shop is at 60 due to this job, hopefully, I can apply 2nd coat tonight or tomorrow.
I will prepare more parts. Had I known it will go so quick, I would have prepared everything.
Imran
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Shawn Kammerer via groups.io <shawnkammerer@...> wrote:
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It’s great stuff. The first coat dries in a reasonable amount of time, depending on your weather conditions, but subsequent coats take forever to dry if you do full coats in cold temperatures, so plan accordingly. I’ve wiped it on in thin coats before, if it’s cold. If you do, it takes a lot more coats, but you have less bugs doing belly flops in it at least. A nice heavy coat that stays wet for a day?is really inviting for anything that happens to fly by.? -Shawn On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 10:55 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: I have no great experience in finishing but I have to say that I have not used anything that is so easy and quick to apply. Off course I have only applied the first coat and 3 coats are required but I am very happy so far.
Imran
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Re: CF-531 won’t start after replacing selector switch
That switch may have come with jumpers installed to make it look like the original electrically.? Without a wiring diagram for the original it will
be difficult to determine with a multimeter as that switch is presumed defective.? At this point I would contact Felder to see if the switch came ready to install or if the jumpers should have been moved to match the original.
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Subject: Re: [FOG] CF-531 won’t start after replacing selector switch
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Thanks, Joe and Imran
I bought the new switch from Felder. It was specified after their technician did his on-site troubleshooting to determine that it was, in fact, the switch causing the original problem with my machine.? ?So, I can only assume they knew
what old switch it was replacing.? At the time, I had asked for a wiring schematic, but they didn’t send anything.
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As mentioned, the new switch came with jumpers installed between terminals, but I removed all of these and replaced them with jumpers to match the connections on the old switch.? I suspect, as Joe mentioned, that some of the jumpers that
came with the new switch were there to replicate the switching function of the old switch.? I wish I had taken a photo of the jumper configuration on the new switch before taking them all off.?
I also saw reference to the A11 switch in the Kraus & Naimer catalog that Imran found, but couldn’t find the specific model matching the new switch, nor could I find any reference to the old A14 switch.?
I hope to talk with Felder on Monday and get a wiring schematic for the new switch (and old switch, if different).? I will also reach out to Kraus & Naimer to see if they can help me with the switching configuration of the two switches.?
Of course, it’s possible that I somehow didn’t wire the new switch up exactly the same as the old one, but I was pretty careful – doing one terminal at a time.?
Thanks again for your help and suggestions.? Will keep you posted.?
Todd
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CNC (or at lest programmable) shaper setup adivce?
All,?
I am considering the cost/value proposition of investing in a shaper setup that has automated programmable?setup capacities (or more?). I am curious what your recommendations may be for shopping brands, models,? and options. I'm becoming less convinced that a used machine will show up on the market as I've been looking for a while and what I've seen has pretty much only been Joe in N.O.'s Profile45, but admittedly I was looking for a larger sliding table to run oversized door setups, and I'm not totally convinced the Felder offerings are the only ones I should be looking at.?
Currently I'm invested in the 700z-class of shaper and not sure I'd want to give them up. I'd even consider putting on an upgraded fence module that can give me the automatic adjustments, but not sure if it is possible or if I can do it feasibly compared to adding another machine.?
With tedious manual setup inefficiencies switching back and forth on small projects I'm assessing the opportunity cost of all those nickels and dimes per se.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Re: Self Retracting Air & electric Reels?
Mine is about 14 years old and I did have to put a new o-ring in the rotary union a couple years back…. which would have been simple if it wasn’t 16 foot off the ground.
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On Jan 3, 2021, at 8:52 PM, Larry < larry@...> wrote:
I agree with Brian. I have a 9 year old Reelcraft and it has never failed me!
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