Re: Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
Ask here, whoever has upgraded has them (I don't have them send them back as I don't want to deal with used parts and shipping and such). Those that had two units might want to keep one for themselves and sell the other.
I might have one or two sets of parts laying around, I'd have to look.
A base could be a simple block of wood with a couple of small pins sticking down to catch on the edge of the cast iron table in the gap between the table and slider.
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Brian,
How much are these parts?
Imran?
On Dec 13, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?Given that we just came out with the new versions of the parallel fences that use linear rails… there are a lot of older units that got upgraded. That leaves the old measuring rod, end stop and rear mounting block as left over parts. So, for
anybody wanting to make a “stop setter” those are the parts you need. You really don’t need to use the round end stop either, just flip the measuring rod around and use the square end that’s opposite the end stop.
I have Felder's parallel fence, no question it is IMPOSSIBLE to set the stop precisely, simply a bad?design.?
I like David Best's method to set the parallel fence?stop to the precise position of the crosscut fence stop position. Just need to work out a wooden version based on David Best's design.
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James
I have the Felder version and it does suffer from the parallax effect but it’s close enough for general cabinetry, if i need it perfect (whatever that is) i just use my Starrett combo square set to the xcut stop, of course then you
are limited 12” or 24” depending on the rule you have. In all the cabinetry I have built i have never found it to be a problem of it is a little bit not perfect, furniture and freestanding cabinetry is a different story - I do want that perfect.
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Re: Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
A story stick set from the rip fence is another quick and easy way to set both fences identical. Or an adjustable square off the side of the slider... I have videos on youtube showing that, search dmogbrian?
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Very interesting,
I do have lamb parallel fence (not the DRO) and tried to avoid mixing crosscut and parallel fence cuts in my design/assembly to avoid this issue. However, I like your method but I do not have those holes on the cast iron for my table saw. Are those holes the
ones to setup the scoring blade? If yes, how do you do on your kappa which is supposed to have an automated scoring blade and maybe no more hole?
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
Brian,
How much are these parts?
Imran?
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On Dec 13, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? Given that we just came out with the new versions of the parallel fences that use linear rails… there are a lot of older units that got upgraded. That leaves the old measuring rod, end stop and rear mounting block as left over parts. So, for anybody wanting to make a “stop setter” those are the parts you need. You really don’t need to use the round end stop either, just flip the measuring rod around and use the square end that’s opposite the end stop.
I have Felder's parallel fence, no question it is IMPOSSIBLE to set the stop precisely, simply a bad?design.?
I like David Best's method to set the parallel fence?stop to the precise position of the crosscut fence stop position. Just need to work out a wooden version based on David Best's design.
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James
I have the Felder version and it does suffer from the parallax effect but it’s close enough for general cabinetry, if i need it perfect (whatever that is) i just use my Starrett combo square set to the xcut stop, of course then you are limited 12” or 24” depending on the rule you have. In all the cabinetry I have built i have never found it to be a problem of it is a little bit not perfect, furniture and freestanding cabinetry is a different story - I do want that perfect.
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Re: Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
Given that we just came out with the new versions of the parallel fences that use linear rails… there are a lot of older units that got upgraded. That leaves the old measuring rod, end stop and rear mounting block as left over parts. So, for anybody wanting to make a “stop setter” those are the parts you need. You really don’t need to use the round end stop either, just flip the measuring rod around and use the square end that’s opposite the end stop.
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I have Felder's parallel fence, no question it is IMPOSSIBLE to set the stop precisely, simply a bad?design.?
I like David Best's method to set the parallel fence?stop to the precise position of the crosscut fence stop position. Just need to work out a wooden version based on David Best's design.
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James
I have the Felder version and it does suffer from the parallax effect but it’s close enough for general cabinetry, if i need it perfect (whatever that is) i just use my Starrett combo square set to the xcut stop, of course then you are limited 12” or 24” depending on the rule you have. In all the cabinetry I have built i have never found it to be a problem of it is a little bit not perfect, furniture and freestanding cabinetry is a different story - I do want that perfect.
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Re: Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
I have Felder's parallel fence, no question it is IMPOSSIBLE to set the stop precisely, simply a bad?design.?
I like David Best's method to set the parallel fence?stop to the precise position of the crosscut fence stop position. Just need to work out a wooden version based on David Best's design.
James
I have the Felder version and it does suffer from the parallax effect but it’s close enough for general cabinetry, if i need it perfect (whatever that is) i just use my Starrett combo square set to the xcut stop, of course then you are limited 12” or 24” depending on the rule you have. In all the cabinetry I have built i have never found it to be a problem of it is a little bit not perfect, furniture and freestanding cabinetry is a different story - I do want that perfect.
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Re: Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
I have the Felder version and it does suffer from the parallax effect but it’s close enough for general cabinetry, if i need it perfect (whatever that is) i just use my Starrett combo square set to the xcut stop, of course then you are limited 12” or 24” depending on the rule you have. In all the cabinetry I have built i have never found it to be a problem of it is a little bit not perfect, furniture and freestanding cabinetry is a different story - I do want that perfect.
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Re: Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
I have one of Brian's parallels and agree it is the one to buy.? I don't use it often as I have a power feeder on a saw for ripping but when I do, I set the crosscut stop, and then use Brian's square and set the parallel using it.? I then slide the parallel
down to the position I want.? A square panel would get you the same result.? Dave
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This has been discussed many times here. ?I recommend you search the archives for “parallel fence”. ?
IMO, a better alternative to the Felder parallel fence would be one with a DRO rather than an Incra unit. ?The challenge with a lot of these is getting the parallel fence stop to be identically positioned to the stop on the crosscut fence so both
ends of the cut are precisely the same width. ?An Incra parallel fence isn’t going to help with that IMO. ?
I find setting the stop position precisely on the Felder unit challenging because the calibration lens is so far from the markings on the tape. It leads to lots of parallax error. ?Brian Lamb makes a very nice alternative with much improved readability
of the measuring scale. ?He also makes a version with digital readout. ?
I am very fussy about getting the crosscut and parallel fence stops identically positioned. ?Nothing bothers me more that to be assembling a cabinet only to find the front and back of two adjoining panels are 1mm different in width. ?I came up
with my own contraption to get the parallel fence stop to agree with the crosscut stop position exactly. ? You can see that here along with the Felder and other parallel fence alternatives including the versions from Brian: ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
Specifically 430-149.
I have seen a few you tube videos, but has anyone used the incra with good results?
I have it for my router table and seems like a better play.
Thoughts?
PK
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Re: Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
Very interesting,
I do have lamb parallel fence (not the DRO) and tried to avoid mixing crosscut and parallel fence cuts in my design/assembly to avoid this issue. However, I like your method but I do not have those holes on the cast iron for my table saw. Are those holes the ones to setup the scoring blade? If yes, how do you do on your kappa which is supposed to have an automated scoring blade and maybe no more hole?
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
This has been discussed many times here. ?I recommend you search the archives for “parallel fence”. ?
IMO, a better alternative to the Felder parallel fence would be one with a DRO rather than an Incra unit. ?The challenge with a lot of these is getting the parallel fence stop to be identically positioned to the stop on the crosscut fence so both ends of the cut are precisely the same width. ?An Incra parallel fence isn’t going to help with that IMO. ?
I find setting the stop position precisely on the Felder unit challenging because the calibration lens is so far from the markings on the tape. It leads to lots of parallax error. ?Brian Lamb makes a very nice alternative with much improved readability of the measuring scale. ?He also makes a version with digital readout. ?
I am very fussy about getting the crosscut and parallel fence stops identically positioned. ?Nothing bothers me more that to be assembling a cabinet only to find the front and back of two adjoining panels are 1mm different in width. ?I came up with my own contraption to get the parallel fence stop to agree with the crosscut stop position exactly. ? You can see that here along with the Felder and other parallel fence alternatives including the versions from Brian: ?
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Specifically 430-149.
I have seen a few you tube videos, but has anyone used the incra with good results?
I have it for my router table and seems like a better play.
Thoughts?
PK
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Incra LS fence vs. Felder rip fence for x-roll
Specifically 430-149.
I have seen a few you tube videos, but has anyone used the incra with good results?
I have it for my router table and seems like a better play.
Thoughts?
PK
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
Chris,
Thanks for the update.
Imran
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On Dec 12, 2020, at 7:39 PM, Chris Perren <cperren@...> wrote: ? Happy holidays - I finally received my Chinese made laser from eBay.? I mounted it on a magnet and hung it on my overhead arm.? At 8 feet, the line is significantly dimmer although I can still see it which is probably good enough for aligning the tail end of a board. ?I have a bright 3 car garage with 11 LED light panels.? The laser mount is difficult to adjust. I found it easier to lock the mount and just rotate the magnet. ??? ? Chris Perren ? ? ? <image001.png> ? ? ? <image002.png> ? ? ? ? <image003.png> ? ? ? would you please share your experience with the green laser. i would like to know if you can see it easily in well lit shop.
On Nov 22, 2020, at 7:59 PM, Chris Perren <cperren@...> wrote:
? Thanks – I’m going to give it spin… worse case its $50 on a proof of concept. ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? In the ad it says1-2mm wide at 1m, and 2-3mm wide at 3m. So I’m guessing about 2mm, and given your blade is about 3mm, that should be fine enough. ? On Nov 22, 2020, at 1:17 PM, Chris Perren <cperren@...> wrote: ? Will this laser produce a crisp line if mounted from a 10 ft ceiling? ? A difference of 6 feet from the saw.? ?No need to do much hacking:
It includes power supply and a mount.
Ariel
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Happy holidays - I finally received my Chinese made laser from eBay.? I mounted it on a magnet and hung it on my overhead arm.? At 8 feet, the line is significantly dimmer although I can still see it which is probably good enough for aligning the tail end of a board. ?I have a bright 3 car garage with 11 LED light panels.? The laser mount is difficult to adjust. I found it easier to lock the mount and just rotate the magnet. ??? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 1:54 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Laser Kerf Line for slider saw? ? would you please share your experience with the green laser. i would like to know if you can see it easily in well lit shop.
On Nov 22, 2020, at 7:59 PM, Chris Perren <cperren@...> wrote:
? Thanks – I’m going to give it spin… worse case its $50 on a proof of concept. ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? ? In the ad it says1-2mm wide at 1m, and 2-3mm wide at 3m. So I’m guessing about 2mm, and given your blade is about 3mm, that should be fine enough. ? On Nov 22, 2020, at 1:17 PM, Chris Perren <cperren@...> wrote: ? Will this laser produce a crisp line if mounted from a 10 ft ceiling? ? A difference of 6 feet from the saw.? ?No need to do much hacking:
It includes power supply and a mount.
Ariel
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Re: I have a question. Maybe easy for some but I have the Hammer K3 sliding table saw. I just bought the angle display gauge that Felder sells. Does anyone know how to adjust the gauge. Maybe some pictures of how to adjust. Thanks Doug
Well if the body is plastic ?be darn carful Tightening the set screw or you will FIU The old ones the body was a tuna can and they held up. Mac Designing and building for 50 years
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On Dec 11, 2020, at 5:26 PM, Doug Middlebrook via groups.io <middlebrookdoug@...> wrote:
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######## sorry I found out . I found a video on the A3-31 planer height gauge. Sorry again. Doug
On Friday, December 11, 2020, 06:15:17 PM EST, Doug Middlebrook via groups.io <middlebrookdoug@...> wrote:
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funny Designing and building for 50 years
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On Dec 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Mark,
reading the recent post about bump stop reminded me that i did not reply on this thread. it has been a month or two that i used the rip fence again for bump stop for a full sheet. no binding. it was the factory edge that i assumed to be perfect that caused the issue. phew! no adjustment needed. i have not bothered to zero out the rip fence toe out because so far the need gas not arisen.
imran
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Mark,
reading the recent post about bump stop reminded me that i did not reply on this thread. it has been a month or two that i used the rip fence again for bump stop for a full sheet. no binding. it was the factory edge that i assumed to be perfect that caused the issue. phew! no adjustment needed. i have not bothered to zero out the rip fence toe out because so far the need gas not arisen.
imran
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Re: Bump Stop Rip Fence and Saw Kerf line-up - What's your preferred practice?
#sawmethods
Ihave 10’ slider for 30 years my use is pretty general mostly mill work little furniture and case goods I only use slider to left for case goods ,, I don’t have the time to do the screwing around For ripping parts . Most all these parts are primary process and get sized on planer.? Most important is quick efficient clamping? Mac,,,
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:45 PM, tomruth@... wrote:
?Jonathan,?
?????????? Thanks for the tips. I'm new to the full sized sliding table so all these tips are helpful. I'm trying to do all my cutting to the left of the blade, it seems to have the potential to be the most accurate and safe method.
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Re: Bump Stop Rip Fence and Saw Kerf line-up - What's your preferred practice?
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Jonathan,?
?????????? Thanks for the tips. I'm new to the full sized sliding table so all these tips are helpful. I'm trying to do all my cutting to the left of the blade, it seems to have the potential to be the most accurate and safe method.
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Mac beat me to it, i just saw that somewhere maybe look on there ig account- it was pretty nifty!
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On Dec 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? Ben Rock pleasant machinery has a clever way of spreading the glue , he has a short video on his Instagram account but I was not able to copy it . Ratchet with socket advances the gap around the tire.
Designing and building for 50 years On Dec 12, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? I believe the easiest way is to get the tire on first. Then you can peel back and squirt or spread the adhesive and work your way around. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Ben Rock pleasant machinery has a clever way of spreading the glue , he has a short video on his Instagram account but I was not able to copy it . Ratchet with socket advances the gap around the tire.
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Dec 12, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? I believe the easiest way is to get the tire on first. Then you can peel back and squirt or spread the adhesive and work your way around. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I believe the easiest way is to get the tire on first. Then you can peel back and squirt or spread the adhesive and work your way around. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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