And yes it is slow compared to a bandmill, but for one off or logs too big for a bandmill, they do the trick. If you have enough logs to have someone bring a mill to you, then that's the sweet option.? I've had lots of wood done with a bandmill and also a 3 bladed mill the produces a plank each pass, but tlit is limited to 12 inches wide and i believe 4 inches thick.? ?The sawyer never rotates the log, so you get what what he cuts.
Marlowe?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 3:38 PM Marlowe McGraw via <marlomcgraw= [email protected]> wrote: Paul,
Granberg makes reasonable mill set ups.
You will need a rip chain or two.? Bailey's carries a large line of forestry equipment.??
You want a professional, good size chainsaw.? ?I like the big husqvarnas like the 395xp.? I have a 36 inch bar and rip chain with a granberg mill that about to get it's first use.
When I was younger and thought had time to do a good amount of that work, I had a husqvarna 3120 with a 54 inch bar.? The mill had an oiler at the bar tip to help keep the bar from running dry on the return.? Sold it regrettably.?
I'm in Abita Springs and could use some help on a few logs if you want to help and gain some experience.?
Marlowe McGraw? On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 3:06 PM Paul Dyer < pmdyer@...> wrote:
This may be less about machinery, but more about wood and lumber.
We have had alot of downed trees with Hurricane Zeta passed through Southeast Louisiana.? ?Lots of oak trees on the ground, just asking to be milled.
Can anyone suggest a reasonable chainsaw mill?? ?I checked Lee Valley.? ?There are a few there, but having never used one, I am unsure how big to go.? ?I have used small chainsaws for years to fell small trees in Tangipahoa Parish.? ?I expect to buy a big chainsaw,
once I have the mill, maybe an 18" bar.
Thanks,
Paul Dyer
Metairie, Louisiana
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Paul,
Granberg makes reasonable mill set ups.
You will need a rip chain or two.? Bailey's carries a large line of forestry equipment.??
You want a professional, good size chainsaw.? ?I like the big husqvarnas like the 395xp.? I have a 36 inch bar and rip chain with a granberg mill that about to get it's first use.
When I was younger and thought had time to do a good amount of that work, I had a husqvarna 3120 with a 54 inch bar.? The mill had an oiler at the bar tip to help keep the bar from running dry on the return.? Sold it regrettably.?
I'm in Abita Springs and could use some help on a few logs if you want to help and gain some experience.?
Marlowe McGraw?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 3:06 PM Paul Dyer < pmdyer@...> wrote:
This may be less about machinery, but more about wood and lumber.
We have had alot of downed trees with Hurricane Zeta passed through Southeast Louisiana.? ?Lots of oak trees on the ground, just asking to be milled.
Can anyone suggest a reasonable chainsaw mill?? ?I checked Lee Valley.? ?There are a few there, but having never used one, I am unsure how big to go.? ?I have used small chainsaws for years to fell small trees in Tangipahoa Parish.? ?I expect to buy a big chainsaw,
once I have the mill, maybe an 18" bar.
Thanks,
Paul Dyer
Metairie, Louisiana
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totally agree with Patrick. unless you enjoy that labor intensive slow going work, it is not worth it. it has been 20 yrs when i had this done on woodmizer so i may be out in weeds but i anticipate around $0.50 per bdft. that is not entirely true because the guy charged me same for 2” thick board. so it was cheaper than bdft.
you also lose considerable amount of wood with chain saw.
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Patrick Kane <pwk5017@...> wrote: ? Paul,
This isnt?meant to discourage you from sawing downed trees, but from what ive seen of alaskan mills, they look like idiot's work. Dreadfully slow. You need to sharpen the chain constantly. You need a much larger bar than 18" unless you have teeny tiny logs. Did i mention dreadfully slow? I would look for a guy with a portable woodmizer. Perhaps not as rewarding, but still gives you the same end product with 1/50th of the labor. By the time you get a big stihl, long bar, the mill, you could ve had a few cold ones and paid a guy with the right tool to do the work for you. I just stacked and stickered 3,500 feet of green walnut. I will tell you there is plenty of labor in drying lumber, let alone sawing it with a chainsaw. Hopefully you get a bunch of nice material for cheap!
Patrick On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 4:06 PM Paul Dyer < pmdyer@...> wrote:
This may be less about machinery, but more about wood and lumber.
We have had alot of downed trees with Hurricane Zeta passed through Southeast Louisiana.? ?Lots of oak trees on the ground, just asking to be milled.
Can anyone suggest a reasonable chainsaw mill?? ?I checked Lee Valley.? ?There are a few there, but having never used one, I am unsure how big to go.? ?I have used small chainsaws for years to fell small trees in Tangipahoa Parish.? ?I expect to buy a big chainsaw,
once I have the mill, maybe an 18" bar.
Thanks,
Paul Dyer
Metairie, Louisiana
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Mark K,
i have no doubt dowels would work and this size should not require more than couple to prevent rotation.
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Mark Koury <mhkoury@...> wrote: ? I agree, nice job. Lately, I’ve been using dowels for mitered corners on cabinet doors - easy with the DowelMax jig. I wonder if 4 dowels per corner would work for this project? There is no shifting as with the Kreg jigs. This is easier than you would think.
Mark
Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110??:)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via ??<imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Lucky and Mark F,
i consider myself easily pleased by such things but glad i am not alone ?
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:45 PM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote: ? Hey Imran,
In the face of Kreg-jig-criticism, I must say the grain orientation of your frame is magnificent. It’s quite mesmerising. Thanks for sharing.? On 21 Nov 2020, at 6:26 am, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Paul,
This isnt?meant to discourage you from sawing downed trees, but from what ive seen of alaskan mills, they look like idiot's work. Dreadfully slow. You need to sharpen the chain constantly. You need a much larger bar than 18" unless you have teeny tiny logs. Did i mention dreadfully slow? I would look for a guy with a portable woodmizer. Perhaps not as rewarding, but still gives you the same end product with 1/50th of the labor. By the time you get a big stihl, long bar, the mill, you could ve had a few cold ones and paid a guy with the right tool to do the work for you. I just stacked and stickered 3,500 feet of green walnut. I will tell you there is plenty of labor in drying lumber, let alone sawing it with a chainsaw. Hopefully you get a bunch of nice material for cheap!
Patrick
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 4:06 PM Paul Dyer < pmdyer@...> wrote:
This may be less about machinery, but more about wood and lumber.
We have had alot of downed trees with Hurricane Zeta passed through Southeast Louisiana.? ?Lots of oak trees on the ground, just asking to be milled.
Can anyone suggest a reasonable chainsaw mill?? ?I checked Lee Valley.? ?There are a few there, but having never used one, I am unsure how big to go.? ?I have used small chainsaws for years to fell small trees in Tangipahoa Parish.? ?I expect to buy a big chainsaw,
once I have the mill, maybe an 18" bar.
Thanks,
Paul Dyer
Metairie, Louisiana
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mark,
i have the metal one as well. pockets are fine and really easy (enjoyable) to drill. this was soft material, maybe i can clamp the hardwoods better. i was quiet hopeful that predrilling the opposite part would help. it did but did not eliminate the issue. again, i imagine it would be less likely in hardwood.
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote: ? Wouldn’t say its defective by design, if you clamp the part flush to the table you shouldn’t get any part shift.?
You could also say that specific castle machine is defective by design in that its a 2 step process. Neither are really great for production, not sure if $400 is really worth it for the casual user compared to the less expensive kreg, i have the metal one that is no longer made so maybe there is something different about the geometry that makes it work better than the plastic version On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:26 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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hi james,
i have no room and being a hobby WW i cannot justify the cost of castle - i guess i do remember FWW reviewing a table top version.
i got the foreman used so i do not have a lot in it. i do believe the folks here that have castle that it is a much better machine due to the lower angle. i do wonder though if it would have worked in this case. i cheated a bit to fit the pocket on this due to narrow material and a lower angle would create a longer pocket. not a concern for butt joints though.
BTW, i also made a similar mitered frame out of pressure treated wood that would sit on concrete as the base of this post wrap. i glued those miters and that was even harder to avoid shifting.
i can use domino and if miters are as perfect as i got this time just a tape should be enough.
i also have a table top machine that routes pockets (like hoffman) in the shape of ibeam. i have not yet put it into use. so i have another option to try.
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:26 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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This may be less about machinery, but more about wood and lumber.
We have had alot of downed trees with Hurricane Zeta passed through Southeast Louisiana.? ?Lots of oak trees on the ground, just asking to be milled.
Can anyone suggest a reasonable chainsaw mill?? ?I checked Lee Valley.? ?There are a few there, but having never used one, I am unsure how big to go.? ?I have used small chainsaws for years to fell small trees in Tangipahoa Parish.? ?I expect to buy a big chainsaw,
once I have the mill, maybe an 18" bar.
Thanks,
Paul Dyer
Metairie, Louisiana
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Wouldn’t say its defective by design, if you clamp the part flush to the table you shouldn’t get any part shift.?
You could also say that specific castle machine is defective by design in that its a 2 step process. Neither are really great for production, not sure if $400 is really worth it for the casual user compared to the less expensive kreg, i have the metal one that is no longer made so maybe there is something different about the geometry that makes it work better than the plastic version
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:26 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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I agree, nice job. Lately, I’ve been using dowels for mitered corners on cabinet doors - easy with the DowelMax jig. I wonder if 4 dowels per corner would work for this project? There is no shifting as with the Kreg jigs. This is easier than you would think.
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Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110??:)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via ??<imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Imran,
That is a nice study in lines and angles. My KF has scoring.
Mark Foster
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:43 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Hey Imran,
In the face of Kreg-jig-criticism, I must say the grain orientation of your frame is magnificent. It’s quite mesmerising. Thanks for sharing.?
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On 21 Nov 2020, at 6:26 am, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
? Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Imran,
Sell your Kreg pocket jig (I have to say it is a defective?product by design) and buy Castle 110? :)
James
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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festool edge sanding attachment
i pre ordered and recently received this gadget
i used it to do 90 and 45 deg sanding on this
it helps making sanding more uniform. the accessory fits the sander only one way. which means that for right handed sanding the vacuum hose points towards the operator, not my preference but also not a show stopper. while the jig keeps sander face at set angle vertically, you still need to keep the face of the sander parallel to the material horizontally.
there are marks for setting sanding angles at 45, 60, 75 and 90 deg or anything in between. a green plastic part allows to fine tune the location but when i tuned to 90 deg the 45 was slightly off.
the pad that slides on the material moves out to expose the sanding pad completely. there is also a hard and soft sanding switch. i have not used soft but it appears to allow play in sanding angle.
the accessory has two halves that are connected by two hex socket head screws.
imran
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I have used a lamello in the past wit pocket screw to prevent shifting?
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 2:43 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch postsi made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.imran<image0.jpeg>
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new to me, benefit of scoring
i made these mitered frames to wrap pressure treated porch posts
i made one 45 cut and then instead of setting the xcut fence to the opposing 45, i flipped material 180 lengthwise and made the opposing cut with material upside down. i could not do that with KF700 because it does not have scoring. this is probably a std practice but new for me.
even though miters were perfect i did get occasional height variation on assembly with kreg pocket screws. this is with predrilling the opposite side and best clamping i could do. so not sure if i can improve it any more.
imran
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Re: Looking Into a Felder
Lots of experience here on options and mistakes others have made.? Share your thinking and you will get lots of mostly consistent input.? Felder builds
all machines to order and if any are available in the showroom for sale it’s because a customer backed out.? I understand the leadtime is 6 months or so right now.? I’ve worked with Carl at Felder who I think lives in LA and he has been very helpful too.
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Subject: [FOG] Looking Into a Felder
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I'm looking in getting a Felder. Any thoughts or tips on how to go about it?
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michal,
felder makes many different tools. what are you looking to buy? saw, shaper, jointer, bandsaw, CNC, ...
there are single and combo options.
you can buy new or used
where are you located on the globe
here is the felder usa site
if in USA you can call (866) 792-5288 and ask to speak with the sales person for your area.
imran
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:13 AM, michal.gordon via groups.io <michal.gordon@...> wrote: ? Hi everyone.?
I'm looking in getting a Felder. Any thoughts or tips on how to go about it?
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Thanks,?
Michal
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Hi everyone.?
I'm looking in getting a Felder. Any thoughts or tips on how to go about it?
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Thanks,?
Michal
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