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My Ekstrom Carlson 112 edge sander is 2400# and my Oliver 299 planer is 2800#. They both live on 4x4 blocks that make it easy to move them anytime, anywhere. It's tough to get the pallet jack rolling by yourself, but it is doable. Once it's started it's not so bad. All of my bigger stuff is always on blocks for ease of moving, and on most things having a higher table height is nice when you're tall. My little 4000# electric Clark forklift makes getting anything on or off a truck or trailer simple provided there's not too much snow. You don't want to get that stuck in the driveway.
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Mac makes a good point that nobody has mentioned before.? "Strapping the load to the lift gate"? Wouldn't that pretty much prevent a machine from getting tipped off the lift gate?? Once it's strapped the lift gate would have to fail before there would be catastrophic failure. Dave Davies
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 7:20 PM Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote: The Shame in this country is most the lift gates are NOT 7’ By 7’ rail so operator and customers are put at risk every day !? If there are aANY questions I always strap the load to the lift gate and run it myself. ?ounce you start never stop till your on the ground.? Designing and building for 50 years On Sep 26, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
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I didn't have anything more than a couple of pry bars? some
lumber and? Black iron?? pipe as rollers? and I got my saw and JP?
off the pallets and in the shop.
Now if you had to down a flight of stairs you'd have some prep
work to do? but?? if you can use pipe as rollers and? can? rig up
a Johnson bar? you should be golden
On 9/26/20 2:34 PM, Jeff wrote:
Newish here.? How heavy is "heavy"?? I have a
Hammer A3-31 that is expected around Christmas, and am still
trying to figure out delivery to my (hobbyist) shop, which is in
a walk-out basement with an overhead door.? ?I believe the
delivery weight for that is around 700 pounds, and I know that I
have had stone veneer weighing about 1500 pounds per crate
delivered by a liftgate truck without any issue.??
I think you all are talking about much bigger and heavier
equipment than I am, but wanted to double check, and also to see
if anyone has any suggestions.? Sadly, my experience with Felder
so far has been such that, had I not actually used and loved the
equipment in someone else's shop, I'd have run far, far away as
a result of their sales service.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I am with David on the utility of the tractor, or in my case, a forklift.? It is incredible how a 5000-lbs capacity forklift makes moving 2000-lbs machines look easy.? Then I rented one and drove it myself to move a 2500 lbs machine.? If I have the shop space, a forklift I want.? Aside from using it to lift heavy machinery, it can be utilized for all sort of other tasks that requires heavy lifting.? The 190-inch+ lift height makes it very easy to trim trees!? That saves me 1-2 thousands hiring a tree service.? I am still regretting not putting in an offer for a 4-yo Toyota 8FGU25, looking brand new, with only 60 hours on the clock.??
As far as "how heavy is heavy," I took delivery of sub 1000 lbs machines with lift gates, no problem.? Also, the size of the crate matters to some extent.??
The simplest machine move with just me as labor is a drop deck trailer with a pallet jack, moving a machine that is designed to be moved by a pallet jack.??
SW
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The Shame in this country is most the lift gates are NOT 7’ By 7’ rail so operator and customers are put at risk every day !? If there are aANY questions I always strap the load to the lift gate and run it myself. ?ounce you start never stop till your on the ground.? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Sep 26, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
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I didn't have anything more than a couple of pry bars? some
lumber and? Black iron?? pipe as rollers? and I got my saw and JP?
off the pallets and in the shop.
Now if you had to down a flight of stairs you'd have some prep
work to do? but?? if you can use pipe as rollers and? can? rig up
a Johnson bar? you should be golden
On 9/26/20 2:34 PM, Jeff wrote:
Newish here.? How heavy is "heavy"?? I have a
Hammer A3-31 that is expected around Christmas, and am still
trying to figure out delivery to my (hobbyist) shop, which is in
a walk-out basement with an overhead door.? ?I believe the
delivery weight for that is around 700 pounds, and I know that I
have had stone veneer weighing about 1500 pounds per crate
delivered by a liftgate truck without any issue.??
I think you all are talking about much bigger and heavier
equipment than I am, but wanted to double check, and also to see
if anyone has any suggestions.? Sadly, my experience with Felder
so far has been such that, had I not actually used and loved the
equipment in someone else's shop, I'd have run far, far away as
a result of their sales service.
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I didn't have anything more than a couple of pry bars? some
lumber and? Black iron?? pipe as rollers? and I got my saw and JP?
off the pallets and in the shop.
Now if you had to down a flight of stairs you'd have some prep
work to do? but?? if you can use pipe as rollers and? can? rig up
a Johnson bar? you should be golden
On 9/26/20 2:34 PM, Jeff wrote:
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Newish here.? How heavy is "heavy"?? I have a
Hammer A3-31 that is expected around Christmas, and am still
trying to figure out delivery to my (hobbyist) shop, which is in
a walk-out basement with an overhead door.? ?I believe the
delivery weight for that is around 700 pounds, and I know that I
have had stone veneer weighing about 1500 pounds per crate
delivered by a liftgate truck without any issue.??
I think you all are talking about much bigger and heavier
equipment than I am, but wanted to double check, and also to see
if anyone has any suggestions.? Sadly, my experience with Felder
so far has been such that, had I not actually used and loved the
equipment in someone else's shop, I'd have run far, far away as
a result of their sales service.
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Meaning signature... haha..where all the value is at
On Saturday, September 26, 2020, 02:36:04 PM PDT, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
A few pictures I took at Randy's shop last week. ?I own 1 of Sam's rockers, purchased a long time ago, The construction quality is similar, but the grain on Randy's is way nicer...
I would not trade mine for Randy's, but only because of a certain special feature that Sam incorporated that perhaps took 60 seconds to execute.
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A few pictures I took at Randy's shop last week. ?I own 1 of Sam's rockers, purchased a long time ago, The construction quality is similar, but the grain on Randy's is way nicer...
I would not trade mine for Randy's, but only because of a certain special feature that Sam incorporated that perhaps took 60 seconds to execute.
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700 pounds shouldn’t be any problem. Ditto on sales....
Bill Belanger?
Newish here.? How heavy is "heavy"?? I have a Hammer A3-31 that is expected around Christmas, and am still trying to figure out delivery to my (hobbyist) shop, which is in a walk-out basement with an overhead door.? ?I believe the delivery weight for that is around 700 pounds, and I know that I have had stone veneer weighing about 1500 pounds per crate delivered by a liftgate truck without any issue.??
I think you all are talking about much bigger and heavier equipment than I am, but wanted to double check, and also to see if anyone has any suggestions.? Sadly, my experience with Felder so far has been such that, had I not actually used and loved the equipment in someone else's shop, I'd have run far, far away as a result of their sales service.
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Thank you.? ?I'm planning to rent a pallet jack and perhaps a local mover.? I'm 5'7" and 145#, and I think I benched 150# on my best day ever. which wasn't recent.? Nonetheless, my friend and I managed to get a SawStop cabinet saw, about the same weight and even bulkier footprint, inside and where we wanted it.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:32 PM Patrick Kane < pwk5017@...> wrote: Jeff,
I am not a rigger, but I classify things this way
Less than 400lbs is really quite easy. This is pretty much your standard 10” North American cabinet saw. I’ve moved 3-4 unisaws and they are very easy to move by yourself with a basic furniture dolly. Two Fit people can lift this type of load vertically over obstacles, into a truck, etc.?
700-1000lbs ?is decently heavy and you are SOL if all you have is raw labor,IMO. You would need 4+ people and they would be tripping over themselves to get a handhold. This is when you need something with wheels on it that can handle the load, and preferably something hydraulic. I just moved a Powermatic 72 saw last weekend that was in this weight class. I was able to tilt up one end while my wife pushed the pallet jack forks under the end, and then we both scooted the rest of it onto the jack. Once on a pallet jack, loads this heavy are a breeze. I wheeled it onto the purchaser’s trailer without issue.?
1500lbs is when things become “heavy” for me. I think my 20” jointer is in the 1800lb range and you cannot move it without leverage. Seriously, 101% of my might into that machine would maybe move it 1/16-1/8” side to side and most definitely nothing in the vertical plane. It’s somewhat laughable when you are forced to move something like this for the first time and your body is unable to do anything. You absolutely need to have a pallet jack or forklift to move this kind of stuff. I guess some people use machine skates too, but I always made sure to have a pallet jack ready. Depending on the load, I don’t know that I would feel comfortable moving machines this heavy by myself. For example, that jointer move would have been impossible without another person. Even on the pallet jack, I wouldn’t be able to get it over the lip of my garage. My driveway is very level at the top, but I don’t think I could manage this kind of load on a 8% grade. Keep in mind, that’s not that steep. I think the KF700 is in this weight range as well as the Martin T17. I would feel comfortable moving the KF700 by myself because the weight is very evenly distributed and centered on the pallet jack. The Martin is very tipsy when lifted, because the table weighs a ton and is cantilevered so far out from the lifting point under the base. I would also recommend never ever putting something this heavy directly on the ground. Without lifting straps and a forklift, you will hate yourself if you ever need to move it again.?
Your machine is compact enough that a lift gate shouldn’t be a problem. Once they leave it on the ground for you, I would recommend renting a pallet jack for a few hours for $30 and easily move it to where you need it to be. Two people can get it off the pallet easily enough.?
All coming from a guy that is 5-10 and a 190. I’m in good shape, but I’m by no means a hulking giant of a human. My 5-2 wife and I have moved a fair amount of heavy machinery into and out of my basement over the years.?
Patrick Newish here.? How heavy is "heavy"?? I have a Hammer A3-31 that is expected around Christmas, and am still trying to figure out delivery to my (hobbyist) shop, which is in a walk-out basement with an overhead door.? ?I believe the delivery weight for that is around 700 pounds, and I know that I have had stone veneer weighing about 1500 pounds per crate delivered by a liftgate truck without any issue.??
I think you all are talking about much bigger and heavier equipment than I am, but wanted to double check, and also to see if anyone has any suggestions.? Sadly, my experience with Felder so far has been such that, had I not actually used and loved the equipment in someone else's shop, I'd have run far, far away as a result of their sales service.
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An additional caution here, though it may be obvious to most.? If you are moving something heavy via wheels of some sort, and you are moving it on a downhill
incline, be sure you have a way of controlling/stopping it.? If it ever gets away and gravity takes over and it reaches any sort of speed, you will
not be able to stop it once it gains some momentum!?
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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 3:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Moving Felder Equipment
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I am not a rigger, but I classify things this way
Less than 400lbs is really quite easy. This is pretty much your standard 10” North American cabinet saw. I’ve moved 3-4 unisaws and they are very easy to move by yourself with a basic furniture dolly. Two Fit people can lift this type of
load vertically over obstacles, into a truck, etc.?
700-1000lbs ?is decently heavy and you are SOL if all you have is raw labor,IMO. You would need 4+ people and they would be tripping over themselves to get a handhold. This is when you need something with wheels on it that can handle the
load, and preferably something hydraulic. I just moved a Powermatic 72 saw last weekend that was in this weight class. I was able to tilt up one end while my wife pushed the pallet jack forks under the end, and then we both scooted the rest of it onto the
jack. Once on a pallet jack, loads this heavy are a breeze. I wheeled it onto the purchaser’s trailer without issue.?
1500lbs is when things become “heavy” for me. I think my 20” jointer is in the 1800lb range and you cannot move it without leverage. Seriously, 101% of my might into that machine would maybe move it 1/16-1/8” side to side and most definitely
nothing in the vertical plane. It’s somewhat laughable when you are forced to move something like this for the first time and your body is unable to do anything. You absolutely need to have a pallet jack or forklift to move this kind of stuff. I guess some
people use machine skates too, but I always made sure to have a pallet jack ready. Depending on the load, I don’t know that I would feel comfortable moving machines this heavy by myself. For example, that jointer move would have been impossible without another
person. Even on the pallet jack, I wouldn’t be able to get it over the lip of my garage. My driveway is very level at the top, but I don’t think I could manage this kind of load on a 8% grade. Keep in mind, that’s not that steep. I think the KF700 is in this
weight range as well as the Martin T17. I would feel comfortable moving the KF700 by myself because the weight is very evenly distributed and centered on the pallet jack. The Martin is very tipsy when lifted, because the table weighs a ton and is cantilevered
so far out from the lifting point under the base. I would also recommend never ever putting something this heavy directly on the ground. Without lifting straps and a forklift, you will hate yourself if you ever need to move it again.?
Your machine is compact enough that a lift gate shouldn’t be a problem. Once they leave it on the ground for you, I would recommend renting a pallet jack for a few hours for $30 and easily move it to where you need it to be. Two people
can get it off the pallet easily enough.?
All coming from a guy that is 5-10 and a 190. I’m in good shape, but I’m by no means a hulking giant of a human. My 5-2 wife and I have moved a fair amount of heavy machinery into and out of my basement over the years.?
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Newish here.? How heavy is "heavy"?? I have a Hammer A3-31 that is expected around Christmas, and am still trying to figure out delivery to my (hobbyist) shop, which is in a walk-out basement with an overhead door.? ?I believe the delivery
weight for that is around 700 pounds, and I know that I have had stone veneer weighing about 1500 pounds per crate delivered by a liftgate truck without any issue.??
I think you all are talking about much bigger and heavier equipment than I am, but wanted to double check, and also to see if anyone has any suggestions.? Sadly, my experience with Felder so far has been such that, had I not actually used and loved the equipment
in someone else's shop, I'd have run far, far away as a result of their sales service.
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Jeff,
I am not a rigger, but I classify things this way
Less than 400lbs is really quite easy. This is pretty much your standard 10” North American cabinet saw. I’ve moved 3-4 unisaws and they are very easy to move by yourself with a basic furniture dolly. Two Fit people can lift this type of load vertically over obstacles, into a truck, etc.?
700-1000lbs ?is decently heavy and you are SOL if all you have is raw labor,IMO. You would need 4+ people and they would be tripping over themselves to get a handhold. This is when you need something with wheels on it that can handle the load, and preferably something hydraulic. I just moved a Powermatic 72 saw last weekend that was in this weight class. I was able to tilt up one end while my wife pushed the pallet jack forks under the end, and then we both scooted the rest of it onto the jack. Once on a pallet jack, loads this heavy are a breeze. I wheeled it onto the purchaser’s trailer without issue.?
1500lbs is when things become “heavy” for me. I think my 20” jointer is in the 1800lb range and you cannot move it without leverage. Seriously, 101% of my might into that machine would maybe move it 1/16-1/8” side to side and most definitely nothing in the vertical plane. It’s somewhat laughable when you are forced to move something like this for the first time and your body is unable to do anything. You absolutely need to have a pallet jack or forklift to move this kind of stuff. I guess some people use machine skates too, but I always made sure to have a pallet jack ready. Depending on the load, I don’t know that I would feel comfortable moving machines this heavy by myself. For example, that jointer move would have been impossible without another person. Even on the pallet jack, I wouldn’t be able to get it over the lip of my garage. My driveway is very level at the top, but I don’t think I could manage this kind of load on a 8% grade. Keep in mind, that’s not that steep. I think the KF700 is in this weight range as well as the Martin T17. I would feel comfortable moving the KF700 by myself because the weight is very evenly distributed and centered on the pallet jack. The Martin is very tipsy when lifted, because the table weighs a ton and is cantilevered so far out from the lifting point under the base. I would also recommend never ever putting something this heavy directly on the ground. Without lifting straps and a forklift, you will hate yourself if you ever need to move it again.?
Your machine is compact enough that a lift gate shouldn’t be a problem. Once they leave it on the ground for you, I would recommend renting a pallet jack for a few hours for $30 and easily move it to where you need it to be. Two people can get it off the pallet easily enough.?
All coming from a guy that is 5-10 and a 190. I’m in good shape, but I’m by no means a hulking giant of a human. My 5-2 wife and I have moved a fair amount of heavy machinery into and out of my basement over the years.?
Patrick
Newish here.? How heavy is "heavy"?? I have a Hammer A3-31 that is expected around Christmas, and am still trying to figure out delivery to my (hobbyist) shop, which is in a walk-out basement with an overhead door.? ?I believe the delivery weight for that is around 700 pounds, and I know that I have had stone veneer weighing about 1500 pounds per crate delivered by a liftgate truck without any issue.??
I think you all are talking about much bigger and heavier equipment than I am, but wanted to double check, and also to see if anyone has any suggestions.? Sadly, my experience with Felder so far has been such that, had I not actually used and loved the equipment in someone else's shop, I'd have run far, far away as a result of their sales service.
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I tried to create one, not sure if it worked as it’s not showing up. Someone can try sending an email to [email protected]? Don’t people have autofill on their email clients? They can save the contact with FOG or any name they want and then start an email any time.
I honestly can't fathom that we are having to tell folks how to post a message or create a topic by sending an email….
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Mac, surely you didn't doubt me! Maybe Brian would like to create alias [email protected]?to save people some typing.?? Just go here: <Screen Shot 2020-09-26 at 12.03.22 PM.png>
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Newish here.? How heavy is "heavy"?? I have a Hammer A3-31 that is expected around Christmas, and am still trying to figure out delivery to my (hobbyist) shop, which is in a walk-out basement with an overhead door.? ?I believe the delivery weight for that is around 700 pounds, and I know that I have had stone veneer weighing about 1500 pounds per crate delivered by a liftgate truck without any issue.??
I think you all are talking about much bigger and heavier equipment than I am, but wanted to double check, and also to see if anyone has any suggestions.? Sadly, my experience with Felder so far has been such that, had I not actually used and loved the equipment in someone else's shop, I'd have run far, far away as a result of their sales service.
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Mac,
it works. this is what i do. you do not need to even type in the whole thing. on my phone it gives you an option fairly quickly and i just select the email address.
imran
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On Sep 26, 2020, at 2:37 PM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote: ? Mark if this works it is much easier than starting a new topic. Thanks mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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Mac, surely you didn't doubt me! Maybe Brian would like to create alias [email protected]?to save people some typing.?? Just go here: 
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Mark if this works it is much easier than starting a new topic. Thanks mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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I must chime in here. ??Several years ago I delivered a brand new
Bridgeport mill (custom factory painted Imron metallic green) to my house with a lift gate truck.? With the help of a friend, and a come-along tied to a tree, we pulled the mill on to the lift gate.? I almost had a heart attack -- Immediately the lift
gate began to angle downward, and the mill began to teeter (along with the lift gate itself) as if it was going to fall over forward.? I quickly grabbed a heavy-duty rope and secured the mill with the rope attached to some point in the front of the truck box.?
The rest of the unloading process was still shaky, but the rope held the mill until the lift gate reached the ground.? That was scary as hell – lesson learned!?
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It seems as though people should always record there experiences when using lift gates to load heavy equipment.? Would make a great horror film watching in slow motion as things go terribly wrong!!!
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Mac, that's too complicated.? To start a topic, simply send an email to [email protected].
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Jason Holtz
Bill Belanger
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