Joe you set the fence before ?the saw blade as a bump stop so your part is it trapped and you can ?get kick backs.? Not a fan of ?attaching anything to the fence You can¡¯t read the scale than and it is another thing to slow ya down. Mac, c Designing and building for 50 years
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On Sep 24, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:
? I generally have the rip fence set to that the far end is even with the far end of the blade. ?But when in that position, the close end of the rip fence contacts the sheet goods on the slide. ?I just realized today from this thread that the easiest solution is to have the rip fence slid as far away from me as possible and then the place where it contacts the sheet goods on the slider will be right at the measuring scale for the rip fence.-----Original Message-----From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian LambSent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:17 PMTo: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] working bump stopUse a 123 block.Brian Lambblamb11@...www.lambtoolworks.comOn Sep 24, 2020, at 6:23 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
now that i have an outrigger i am cutting sheets. so far i have been using rip fence for setting the cut line, clamp, push away rip fence and cut. i thought about clamping a narrow piece to rip fence so material is rubbing against 1¡± vs the entire length of rip fence but it is still being constrained and i don¡¯t like it.
so my thought was to do the tape on the leading edge of rip fence trick so when i have it clamped (pulled back there is no toe-out in the rip fence). but there will still be slider toe-out to deal with.
so my question is, should the rip fence be adjusted to the trajectory of slider (toe-in) for this purpose (use as bump stop) ?instead of 0 toe out?
what would i be missing if i do that?
David B, i did look thru the survival guide this time ....
imran
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Re: K 700 S on SF Bay Craigslist¡¯s
Why the hell is there a Craig¡¯s list tread in a discussion of machining a panel. What am I missing?? Please tell I can take it. Mac,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Sep 25, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Uncle T. via groups.io <utplo@...> wrote:
?I am also local and looked at this saw last month when it was listed for $6K. If I remember correctly it was built in 2019, a bit dusty as described by Mike, but otherwise in very good shape. It has the larger 1500mm outrigger and the 7.5HP 3phase motor. I'm a hobbyist with a small 300 sqft shop and no other 3phase machines, so all things considered it just isn't the right saw for me. It sill make a good deal for someone out there.?
Matt
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If you hang the outlet in the ceiling I would highly recommend a stress relief ?Starch coil thing coil to a rafter or beam so plug Can¡¯t be pulled out of the receptacle as you are rRelying on the shot nub on the plug to hold it there. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Thanks, it actually worked out to install in the traditional method however it¡¯s below the outfeed table and my only concern would be accumulating sawdust but suppose as long as the connections are tight and no arcing occurs shouldn¡¯t be an issue? On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Michael Garrison Stuber <mtgstuber@...> wrote:
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No reason not to do it.? I have twist-lock outlets installed in
the ceiling of my current shop and the one I'm working on
building.? The inspector didn't bat an eye about it.? You might
want to put a strain relief on your drop cord, but I've never
bothered and it's never been issue.? It works great for me.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber.
On 9/25/2020 12:25 PM, Mark Kessler
wrote:
Is there any reason I wouldn¡¯t want to install a twist lock outlet
90 degrees to the wall so the cord goes straight down instead of
out? I don¡¯t think so but thought i would check...
If it matters it is 30a 3p and there is no residential
electrical code in our town
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Honestly I can¡¯t decide if this is motivating or discouraging. ?Either way I am so so impressed. ?Great work!
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Thanks everyone.. Mac... yes..I used the Powermatic 66 for this build.. it shined like a brand new " boat anchor!!" LOL
and Imram.. that's hilarious!! I love it..
Bill.. the chair is very comfortable.? I am making a 2nd one but making some changes on it that will blow your mind when I'm done..haha
On Friday, September 25, 2020, 11:55:43 AM PDT, Bill B¨¦langer < bllblngr@...> wrote:
Is it comfortable Randy? Anything you would change in that area?
Thanks
Bill Belanger
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Thanks, it actually worked out to install in the traditional method however it¡¯s below the outfeed table and my only concern would be accumulating sawdust but suppose as long as the connections are tight and no arcing occurs shouldn¡¯t be an issue?
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On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Michael Garrison Stuber <mtgstuber@...> wrote:
?
No reason not to do it.? I have twist-lock outlets installed in
the ceiling of my current shop and the one I'm working on
building.? The inspector didn't bat an eye about it.? You might
want to put a strain relief on your drop cord, but I've never
bothered and it's never been issue.? It works great for me.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber.
On 9/25/2020 12:25 PM, Mark Kessler
wrote:
Is there any reason I wouldn¡¯t want to install a twist lock outlet
90 degrees to the wall so the cord goes straight down instead of
out? I don¡¯t think so but thought i would check...
If it matters it is 30a 3p and there is no residential
electrical code in our town
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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Thanks everyone.. Mac... yes..I used the Powermatic 66 for this build.. it shined like a brand new " boat anchor!!" LOL
and Imram.. that's hilarious!! I love it..
Bill.. the chair is very comfortable.? I am making a 2nd one but making some changes on it that will blow your mind when I'm done..haha
On Friday, September 25, 2020, 11:55:43 AM PDT, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
Is it comfortable Randy? Anything you would change in that area?
Thanks
Bill Belanger
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Re: K 700 S on SF Bay Craigslist
I am also local and looked at this saw last month when it was listed for $6K. If I remember correctly it was built in 2019, a bit dusty as described by Mike, but otherwise in very good shape. It has the larger 1500mm outrigger and the 7.5HP 3phase motor. I'm a hobbyist with a small 300 sqft shop and no other 3phase machines, so all things considered it just isn't the right saw for me. It sill make a good deal for someone out there.?
Matt
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Re: Twist lock outlet installation
No reason not to do it.? I have twist-lock outlets installed in
the ceiling of my current shop and the one I'm working on
building.? The inspector didn't bat an eye about it.? You might
want to put a strain relief on your drop cord, but I've never
bothered and it's never been issue.? It works great for me.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber.
On 9/25/2020 12:25 PM, Mark Kessler
wrote:
Is there any reason I wouldn¡¯t want to install a twist lock outlet
90 degrees to the wall so the cord goes straight down instead of
out? I don¡¯t think so but thought i would check...
If it matters it is 30a 3p and there is no residential
electrical code in our town
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
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Mark,
i am not a fan of the lift gate either but if you encounter this situation remember you can drop the PJ any time. in fact could do it even pre maturely to be sure. also i have used a piece of wood in front of the two wheels and if really concerned another in front of rear big wheel as added insurance.
i have a trench in floor across the whole shop and there is a bit of slope as you approach the trench. so i have used these techniques to ensure that PJ wheels do not drop in the trench. as luck would have it, all 3 heavy machines have at least one foot that wants to be an inch away for ideal placement. go figure.
imran
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On Sep 25, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Bean via groups.io <mdyke@...> wrote: ?Hi,
Reading the above I thought I would comment on my experience. Last week I picked up my K700S from Felder UK at Milton Keynes. The reason for collecting it was purely down to price. Felder wanted ?550-00 using their haulage contractor to deliver it to me. I decided to hire a 7.5 Ton lorry with a 1000kg tail lift. Bearing in mind that the round trip was approx. 220 miles.
In all the hire and diesel came in at about ?210-00 so a decent saving. I have my own Pallet truck which I use to move my machines about as and when in my workshop.
Here comes the first mistake, thinking ahead as I was driving down to MK I thought as the machine was nearly as wide as the interior of the truck once it was on the truck I would pull it backwards up to the bulkhead/cab area and then it would be ready to push straight off when I got home Doh!!!? Didn't think that one through as I could not pump the handle on the pallet truck to lift the machine. Anyway we got over that one and got the K700 up to the end of the truck and stopped, realising that the pallet was going to overhang the tail lift by about 250mm was worrying but not as worrying as pushing the pallet onto the tail lift and then stopping it before it went straight off the tail lift. Bearing in mind it was just me and the wife doing this and not a group of burley people, not that they could of stopped it going over the edge.
Most of you might think I was being a wimp about this, but I can assure you it was not fun. In the end I just had to give it a push and drop it down on the pallet truck so it would not roll of the edge.
It went on with a lump and bang but it was on and pushing the tail lift button to make it descend was a pleasant feeling.
So in summing up I will never do it again and just pay the going rate for the Felder delivery, I am done with tail lifts Lol.
Best Wishes,
Mark.
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Twist lock outlet installation
Is there any reason I wouldn¡¯t want to install a twist lock outlet 90 degrees to the wall so the cord goes straight down instead of out? I don¡¯t think so but thought i would check...
If it matters it is 30a 3p and there is no residential electrical code in our town 
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Hi,
Reading the above I thought I would comment on my experience. Last week I picked up my K700S from Felder UK at Milton Keynes. The reason for collecting it was purely down to price. Felder wanted ?550-00 using their haulage contractor to deliver it to me. I decided to hire a 7.5 Ton lorry with a 1000kg tail lift. Bearing in mind that the round trip was approx. 220 miles.
In all the hire and diesel came in at about ?210-00 so a decent saving. I have my own Pallet truck which I use to move my machines about as and when in my workshop.
Here comes the first mistake, thinking ahead as I was driving down to MK I thought as the machine was nearly as wide as the interior of the truck once it was on the truck I would pull it backwards up to the bulkhead/cab area and then it would be ready to push straight off when I got home Doh!!!? Didn't think that one through as I could not pump the handle on the pallet truck to lift the machine. Anyway we got over that one and got the K700 up to the end of the truck and stopped, realising that the pallet was going to overhang the tail lift by about 250mm was worrying but not as worrying as pushing the pallet onto the tail lift and then stopping it before it went straight off the tail lift. Bearing in mind it was just me and the wife doing this and not a group of burley people, not that they could of stopped it going over the edge.
Most of you might think I was being a wimp about this, but I can assure you it was not fun. In the end I just had to give it a push and drop it down on the pallet truck so it would not roll of the edge.
It went on with a lump and bang but it was on and pushing the tail lift button to make it descend was a pleasant feeling.
So in summing up I will never do it again and just pay the going rate for the Felder delivery, I am done with tail lifts Lol.
Best Wishes,
Mark.
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Is it comfortable Randy? Anything you would change in that area?
Thanks
Bill Belanger
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Well done Randy! Falling asleep in a chair is a good measure of comfort.? ?Enjoy! Marlowe McGraw? On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 8:26 AM marty shultz < azmartys@...> wrote: Absolutely beautiful, Randy!? I¡¯ve made a couple of rockers and I can appreciate the time in workmanship that goes into making an heirloom rocker.?
Marty On Sep 24, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Randy Child via??<strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?Finally got the seat back from the upholstery shop..my chair is now complete. <20200923_132659.jpg> <20200923_132714.jpg> <20200923_132634.jpg>
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AJ,
there are manuals in files here but i recommend that you call felder. tell them who you are buying the machines from. they like to keep records and whenever you call them in future they will know what you have. they will also provide you temporary links to download manuals that match the year if your machine. well if all works as it should ?
imran
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On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:41 PM, ajquinter@... wrote: ?Thanks to all for your responses!?
I have ruled the lift gate option out!? I haven't had a disaster with this method before, but definitely don't feel comfortable going that route with these machines.? I want to be really careful with this!
I got a recommendation for a local rigger a few miles up the road from me.? I am waiting to get a quote back.? Hopefully it will be reasonable enough that I can go that route.? He is planning to drive a trailer up and rent a forklift locally for the pickup.? He can then run his own forklift over to unload.? It seems like a good plan to me.
I would love to get a pdf of the manuals.? I can't seem to find them on the Felder website.? Are pdf's available?? I have a copy of David Best's Survival Guide and am trying to work my way through it.
Will keep you posted.
Thanks,
AJ
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Hi,
First time posting after years of lurking. I looked at this saw yesterday as I would like a longer slider to replace my SCMI SI12 short stroke.?
It is a bare bones machine with the short rails for the fence, only 32" of capacity to the right of the blade. No overhead guard. It does have the remote controls on the end of the slider. That was the only upgrade he got. It is in nice shape, just dirty. He used it a lot with no dust collector.?
He is closing down his shop and is now an employee for a construction firm. I only live 4 miles from his shop if someone is interested. Just not robust enough for me, like the older heaver saws better :)
Mike
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I joined the group on Yahoo years ago at the invitation of John Renzetti at a Philadelphia wood show.? Also went to Atlanta for IWF in 2000 after talking with John.? Think I have been back to IWF twice since then.? At that time we lived in NYS, but retired to Tennessee.? Can't think of anything else important to say to the group at the moment.
Tom Ward?
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Thanks to all for your responses!?
I have ruled the lift gate option out!? I haven't had a disaster with this method before, but definitely don't feel comfortable going that route with these machines.? I want to be really careful with this!
I got a recommendation for a local rigger a few miles up the road from me.? I am waiting to get a quote back.? Hopefully it will be reasonable enough that I can go that route.? He is planning to drive a trailer up and rent a forklift locally for the pickup.? He can then run his own forklift over to unload.? It seems like a good plan to me.
I would love to get a pdf of the manuals.? I can't seem to find them on the Felder website.? Are pdf's available?? I have a copy of David Best's Survival Guide and am trying to work my way through it.
Will keep you posted.
Thanks,
AJ
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Well done Randy! Falling asleep in a chair is a good measure of comfort.? ?Enjoy! Marlowe McGraw?
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 8:26 AM marty shultz < azmartys@...> wrote: Absolutely beautiful, Randy!? I¡¯ve made a couple of rockers and I can appreciate the time in workmanship that goes into making an heirloom rocker.?
Marty On Sep 24, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?Finally got the seat back from the upholstery shop..my chair is now complete.
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K 700 S on SF Bay Craigslist
This saw has been up on CL for a while, and the?price has been steadily dropping. Seems like a smokin¡¯ deal, assuming good working order.?
On Friday, September 25, 2020, 6:38 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote: That could be it, i have never not done it other than the way I described. I haven¡¯t even ever bothered to check if a panel is square with the factory edge.?
My slider has a 2 thou toe out and rip fence 1thou (because thats how I like it)
I get pretty much perfect panels this way no matter the size by just bumping off the fence with it pulled back behind the blade. If your panel is still wonky after cleaning up the edges i would check your xcut, outrigger ect. How did you square your fence? 5 cut or a square like Brians L, the latter is preferred because its faster but if you did the latter i would still do one 5 cut just to see what happens if its way off it might be your technique. Really if you do the square method i would just do a 4 cut and check for parallel then diagonals because it should be pretty close anyway. On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:08 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
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Mark,
you do bring up a good point. i did not create a straight edge on the 4¡¯ side or the 8¡¯ side. i thought factory edges are good. so it is possible that the issue was due to factory edge not being good. i will try another sheet in a day or two and figure it out.
BTW, no issues with cutting. just using rip as bump was binding against the material. so i just pushed it away after clamping.
imran
On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:19 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? So are you saying you 1st made a xcut on the 4¡¯ side then rotated and made your 2nd cut along the 8¡¯ then bumped that 8¡¯ edge against your ¡°bump¡± stop at 10¡± and then cut to length (on the uncut side) and your 10¡± strip is not square and parallel?? On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:04 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Brian,i have no issues with the cut on either rip of slider. even though the xcut is set to 90 deg, the slider trajectory has a 2 thou toe-out that i set myself. rip is set to 2 thou as well. so both rip and slider are closer together the farther you move back from front of the machine.imran On Sep 24, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:?You don¡¯t have to address any slider toe out, the crosscut fence is set to cut square, the part will come out parallel/square as the point that contacts the blade stays the same, what happens after the cut is kind of immaterial.Brian Lambblamb11@...www.lambtoolworks.comOn Sep 24, 2020, at 3:51 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Joe,
i tried that but you still have to address the slider toe out. it is only 16 thou over 8¡¯ if the slider is set to 2 thou over 12¡±.
Mark,
Yes i tried, that is why i brought it up. i was ripping 1/8¡± thick sheet of ply with 4¡¯ side referenced to the long xcut fence. i was trying to get 10¡± wide piece on the right side of blade. i likely have to do more of these and will take pics and try John K solution.
imran
On Sep 24, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> wrote:
?I generally have the rip fence set to that the far end is even with the far end of the blade. ?But when in that position, the close end of the rip fence contacts the sheet goods on the slide. ?I just realized today from this thread that the easiest solution is to have the rip fence slid as far away from me as possible and then the place where it contacts the sheet goods on the slider will be right at the measuring scale for the rip fence.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Lamb
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] working bump stop
Use a 123 block.
Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com
On Sep 24, 2020, at 6:23 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
now that i have an outrigger i am cutting sheets. so far i have been using rip fence for setting the cut line, clamp, push away rip fence and cut. i thought about clamping a narrow piece to rip fence so material is rubbing against 1¡± vs the entire length of rip fence but it is still being constrained and i don¡¯t like it.
so my thought was to do the tape on the leading edge of rip fence trick so when i have it clamped (pulled back there is no toe-out in the rip fence). but there will still be slider toe-out to deal with.
so my question is, should the rip fence be adjusted to the trajectory of slider (toe-in) for this purpose (use as bump stop) ?instead of 0 toe out?
what would i be missing if i do that?
David B, i did look thru the survival guide this time ....
imran
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