Re: Minimum Space on the Slider Side of Saw
Yes, that allows you to put an 8’ piece on the machine and still have a couple feet to move it around without bumping into the blade.
Thanks Brian...makes sense.
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glad it worked out for you..always happy to help
On Friday, May 29, 2020, 08:15:19 PM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
On May 29, 2020, at 9:47 PM, murrayau1 < murraywp@...> wrote: ?Thanks Randy and Imran I exchanged my cheap brad nailer for a Makita, problem solved!
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Joe absolutely .? I'm curious to see if it's happening and if canadians will be able to enter by then.?
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On Friday, May 29, 2020, Joe Jensen < joe.jensen@...> wrote:
Rick if you are going maybe I will too.? It would be in Atlanta.
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Is there a IWF or AWFS woodworking show this year ?? ?I assume its cancelled but If there is I would love it .?
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Good idea, i think you can select “mute” topic?
?Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum?? This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid
19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.?
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national
travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading
cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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Re: Router Spindle or Router Lift
F700Z with router spindle - I love it. Quiet and precise. Lower rpm than?a router table, but with 7.5HP behind it, so what? the feed?speed can always be varied. There are cases whereI choose a handheld router, but where a table is concerned the F700Z always wins.
The router spindle on my CF is quick to change tooling, accurate and handy in that it can be lowered out of the way and fence removed in seconds.? I have a powered lift with a digital readout.? I have not used the angle tilt.? ?Ok, I admit I'm selling here.? I have a spare spindle, collets and belt listed in the for sale folder.
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Re: Minimum Space on the Slider Side of Saw
Don't forget that a pallet jack can help on this job or that if the saw needs to be repositioned?by a foot or two... As noted, you never?know what job is going to come your way, and it might not be pretty, but the saw does not necessarily need to be permanently fixed to one location. Good luck on this venture! Cheers Eric
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 12:46 PM george Woodg via <george954679= [email protected]> wrote: It is helpful to have enough room near your gets loaded. I have my stack of prefinished 3/4 maple on the floor with enough room for FAT 300 scissor lift table on castors to set in front of stack. I get help loading Fat up with plywood and then move loaded fat about 5 ‘ forward and over 2’ which makes it easy to load saw without be in the way of saw’s operation. 3/4” sheets of plywood are ungainly and fairly heavy. I don’t pick them up by myself unless I have to. Just a thought. George Gerstner On May 29, 2020, at 12:40 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? You are welcome Larry. Glad you found it useful. I measured distance between wall and pillar and it is actually 11’ 2”. So, for my saw, 12’ is minimum total space (7’ left of blade) just to be able to operate the slider with outrigger installed.
As others have said, likely 10’ is a good number for left of blade but not for the entire travel of slider. For 4’ wide sheets you need ~5’ before and after the blade.
Good luck with business ?
Imran On May 29, 2020, at 11:45 AM, larry@... wrote: ?Thanks for the great info Imran...had to reread your post a few times to be able to visualize it but think I got it. I looked up a K975...nice looking saw with similar dimensions to mine.
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Thanks Randy and Imran
I exchanged my cheap brad nailer for a Makita, problem solved!
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I would also like to request that members cease the chatter about Covid-19. ??
Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum?? This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum? ?This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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Rick if you are going maybe I will too.? It would be in Atlanta.
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
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Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 4:07 PM
To: [email protected]
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Is there a IWF or AWFS woodworking show this year ?? ?I assume its cancelled but If there is I would love it .?
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Good idea, i think you can select “mute” topic?
?Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum?? This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid
19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.?
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national
travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading
cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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Is there a IWF or AWFS woodworking show this year ?? ?I assume its cancelled but If there is I would love it .?
Good idea, i think you can select “mute” topic? Regards, Mark ?Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum?? This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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Good idea, i think you can select “mute” topic? Regards, Mark
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On May 29, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Ron Magliocco <rmagliocco2@...> wrote:
? Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum? ?This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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At the bottom of every email is a link to “mute this topic”, that should take care of it.
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Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum? ?This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum? ?This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
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On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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According to our Dr friends deciding the cause of death when someone has the common flu is difficult.? If they expire and test positive for the common
flu and you report all people who died and tested then you would know and it would be objective.? However lots of elderly have DNR orders and who have tremendous health issues. ?Same doctor’s father had 20% heart function.? He got a bladder infection which
was the straw that broke the camel’s back.? Did he die because of 20% heart function, if he had 100% heart function he would most certainly have successfully battled the infection. ?With these elder say they have no extraordinary efforts living wills and certainly
most with a living do, then do they even know if it was the common flu or the underlying issue that caused death.
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Now say the same guy gets the common flu and he dies.? First, he lives at home.? If he dies with 20% heart function there may well not even be a test
for common flu.? Was it the flu?? Say he is at home and loses balance due to low blood flow and falls and hits his head which kills him.? Was it the fall or the 20% heart function.?
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My point is that these things are not really black and white.
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It would be interesting after we get through the pandemic to look at the death curve for say people over 80.? I suspect it rises significantly during
the pandemic well above the historical trend and then it will fall below as Covid will have impacted those most fragile and had it not been covid in May it would have been something else in June, July, or Aug.
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Lastly, I just looked up the data and in Nursing homes the median stay before death is 5 months.? The average is 14 months.? This is because a small
fraction live for 10-14 years and the vast majority live a couple months.? Median means 50% live less than 5 months and 50% live more than 5 months.
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?Donald J Trump or the WH, someone, changed figures on the CDC website about that same time. A head CDC official was fired following and honest public covid update. Then the CDC was told they could no longer publish or speak publicly about
convid prior to running the material past the oval office first. The common flu deaths grew from around 40,000 in march to the number 60k which started started being floated around after the dismissal of the CDC head. The web site has changed a little since
January, the headers read differnt but if you dig the info or some is still there.
?If you search the CDC data base and the WHO data base, you will see the common flu results in 12,000 to 61,000 deaths annually with an average of about 35K. 2011~2012 was about 12k and the following year was 56k.? Last year was 35k. This is for an entire year.
Covid shadows these figures by a long shot given over 30,000 people have died each month for the last two months.? Keep also in mind as many are trying to dismiss the number of covid deaths by saying that the deaths were not all a direct result of covid. The
common flu numbers also say that they are from flu AND pneumonia and the deaths are also attributed to. So basically not every death when some one has the flu doesn't necessarily die of the flu, but had the flu when pasted on. So you could then say not all
flu deaths are flu related and the annual death count may be lower. So apples to apples covid and flu in that sense. So probably still proportionate, but I speculate....
But hey, here's some unedited info from the CDC.....
This system tracks the proportion of death certificates processed that list pneumonia or influenza as the underlying or contributing cause of death. This system provides an overall
indication of whether flu-associated deaths are elevated, but does not provide an exact number of how many people died from flu.
During the 2017-2018 season, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. During the past
five seasons, the average number of weeks this indicator was above threshold was 11 (range of 7 to 15 weeks). Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018.
As it does for the numbers of flu cases, doctor’s visits and hospitalizations, CDC also estimates deaths in the United States using mathematical modeling.
CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2013-2014, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 56,000 (during 2012-2013). Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information
was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate included respiratory or circulatory causes. For more information, see??and CDC’s??page.
and here are the numbers by year for the past decade. On one year peaked 60k. ....
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Re: Minimum Space on the Slider Side of Saw
It is helpful to have enough room near your gets loaded. I have my stack of prefinished 3/4 maple on the floor with enough room for FAT 300 scissor lift table on castors to set in front of stack. I get help loading Fat up with plywood and then move loaded fat about 5 ‘ forward and over 2’ which makes it easy to load saw without be in the way of saw’s operation. 3/4” sheets of plywood are ungainly and fairly heavy. I don’t pick them up by myself unless I have to. Just a thought. George Gerstner
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On May 29, 2020, at 12:40 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? You are welcome Larry. Glad you found it useful. I measured distance between wall and pillar and it is actually 11’ 2”. So, for my saw, 12’ is minimum total space (7’ left of blade) just to be able to operate the slider with outrigger installed.
As others have said, likely 10’ is a good number for left of blade but not for the entire travel of slider. For 4’ wide sheets you need ~5’ before and after the blade.
Good luck with business ?
Imran
On May 29, 2020, at 11:45 AM, larry@... wrote:
?Thanks for the great info Imran...had to reread your post a few times to be able to visualize it but think I got it. I looked up a K975...nice looking saw with similar dimensions to mine.
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Re: Minimum Space on the Slider Side of Saw
You are welcome Larry. Glad you found it useful. I measured distance between wall and pillar and it is actually 11’ 2”. So, for my saw, 12’ is minimum total space (7’ left of blade) just to be able to operate the slider with outrigger installed.
As others have said, likely 10’ is a good number for left of blade but not for the entire travel of slider. For 4’ wide sheets you need ~5’ before and after the blade.
Good luck with business ?
Imran
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On May 29, 2020, at 11:45 AM, larry@... wrote: ?Thanks for the great info Imran...had to reread your post a few times to be able to visualize it but think I got it. I looked up a K975...nice looking saw with similar dimensions to mine.
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Re: Minimum Space on the Slider Side of Saw
No problem Larry, the comment was based on the what you told us and you not thinking you will ever need to cut 8' to the left of the blade. You will find a lot of hobby guys on this forum have built shops and have gone or going through what your same scenario.
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 11:46 AM < larry@...> wrote: John,
I appreciate your comments but will quibble with your assessment of me thinking like a hobbiest. I have put a lot of time and effort into planning and setting this shop up from trenching and running dedicated 400 amp service, installing a 30 HP Phase Perfect to run four pieces of 3 phase equipment, installing central HVAC, running all power and lighting circuits, etc. I have done the vast majority of the work myself after months and months of online research, talking to personal friends/acquaintances , etc. My simple issue is trying to figure out how to best fit big pieces of machinery (primarily the slider) into a space that will also include machinery that I didn't mention...full-size lathe, grinding station, work benches, open corridors for moving things, etc.
Thanks for the 12' info.
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Thanks for the great info Imran...had to reread your post a few times to be able to visualize it but think I got it. I looked up a K975...nice looking saw with similar dimensions to mine.
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