So, on John’s recommendation, I used Rubio Monocoat (Pure) on my chairs. ?I’m rather proud of the result.
This week I finally finished all of the chairs that I started over the past three years. The Windsor armchair was one I built and nearly finished in a class at Anderson Ranch with Elia Bizzarri -- three glorious weeks of learning to build Windsor chairs. It is a design by Curtis Buchannan: the Zelda chair. The next summer, I decided to build a set of chairs to complement the Zelda. These chairs are all my own design. I also designed them and build most of the first prototype with the help of Adrian Ferazzutti, also in a class at Anderson Ranch. All of these chairs will go to my condo in Snowmass.
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Don't believe the 180 BS Jason don't forgot that's for floors, the walnut table was done to 2000P. No issues what so ever. For satin with Rubio 320 P to 500P. I've had mixed results from Odies and its a very limited finish. Gave it an honest try. As with everything use what your happy with, I started this mainly for those that find finishing an issue.?
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I've used the Pure on a few pieces. I'm not really a fan. One, the application is a pain. Like spreading glue. Two, it's just too flat for me. I like satin, about 25° sheen generally. I like Odies oil quite a bit more. You can get more sheen by sanding finer. Rubio explicitly tells you not to sand past 180 I believe. It looks great on floors though. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
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Joe, That is exactly why the "excess death" number is useful. It is raw and round but somewhat immune to extracurricular interpretation. It can be useful to policy makers to make informed decisions if they are not distracted by politics.? It can be used by the public as an alternate to story starved, hyperventilating media. Watching the numbers going forward will affect attendance at IWF and border openings.? Georgia was one of the first states to "open" so will be interesting as an early indicator.??
Covid is not politics.? It is a disease and part of every day life.? It affects our jobs and how we buy a board? It is a major component of IWF this year.
But to get political for a moment, I agree this is not the site for politics so will not read or write about it beyond this point.? If others want to pursue the topic, it is always my option to ignore or disregard or agree. But I am not a very agreeable guy and don't take kindly to being shushed.?
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Glad I built my shop 20 yrs ago. I sheathed 12’ walls By myself with 1/2” OSB. I remember it was winter as I had my insulated thermal boots but keeping upper body warm was not an issue ?
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On May 30, 2020, at 9:48 AM, larry@... wrote: ?On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 01:46 PM, george Woodg wrote:
It is helpful to have enough room near your gets loaded. I have my stack of prefinished 3/4 maple on the floor with enough room for FAT 300 scissor lift table on castors to set in front of stack. I get help loading Fat up with plywood and then move loaded fat about 5 ‘ forward and over 2’ which makes it easy to load saw without be in the way of saw’s operation. 3/4” sheets of plywood are ungainly and fairly heavy. I don’t pick them up by myself unless I have to. Just a thought. George Gerstner
Hi George. Not to shift away from the topic but I have looked at the FAT 300 several times and talked to my Felder rep in Dallas about it but haven't pulled the trigger. I keep looking but I haven't found a middle ground yet between the Rockler Panel Mate and the Felder units.
Regarding heavy 3/4" plywood...kind of a sore subject right now for me. During the build-out of my shop I lined the walls with 3/4" tongue and groove and was doing most of the lifting myself with some occasional help from my wife. I went to bed sore many nights while doing that. One day when I was out in the shop I was slightly bent over installing an exterior electrical outlet and when I raised back up, my back locked up. i have had 4 previous back surgeries so had a pretty good sense at the time that this was not one that I would be able to sleep off. Three months later (slowed down because of the pandemic), I am finally on the schedule for another back surgery. Recovery should give me a lot of time to consider how I can more efficiently and safely move materials.
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Hi Larry,? I sold my Rockler Panel mate for $35 after I got my Fat 300. That panel mate was flimsy and the panel rocked around on it. Not comfortable to use. The Fat 300 on the other hand is the real deal. In my last shop in Maine I made a cart with a flip up panel holder that was way better than the panel mate. Not as good as the Fat 300 though. The Fat 300 fits just under the left side of my slider, very convenient. My 2 cents.
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On Saturday, May 30, 2020, < larry@...> wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 01:46 PM, george Woodg wrote:
It is helpful to have enough room near your gets loaded. I have my stack of prefinished 3/4 maple on the floor with enough room for FAT 300 scissor lift table on castors to set in front of stack. I get help loading Fat up with plywood and then move loaded fat about 5 ‘ forward and over 2’ which makes it easy to load saw without be in the way of saw’s operation. 3/4” sheets of plywood are ungainly and fairly heavy. I don’t pick them up by myself unless I have to. Just a thought. George Gerstner
Hi George. Not to shift away from the topic but I have looked at the FAT 300 several times and talked to my Felder rep in Dallas about it but haven't pulled the trigger. I keep looking but I haven't found a middle ground yet between the Rockler Panel Mate and the Felder units.
Regarding heavy 3/4" plywood...kind of a sore subject right now for me. During the build-out of my shop I lined the walls with 3/4" tongue and groove and was doing most of the lifting myself with some occasional help from my wife. I went to bed sore many nights while doing that. One day when I was out in the shop I was slightly bent over installing an exterior electrical outlet and when I raised back up, my back locked up. i have had 4 previous back surgeries so had a pretty good sense at the time that this was not one that I would be able to sleep off. Three months later (slowed down because of the pandemic), I am finally on the schedule for another back surgery. Recovery should give me a lot of time to consider how I can more efficiently and safely move materials.
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Don't forget that a pallet jack can help on this job or that if the saw needs to be repositioned?by a foot or two... As noted, you never?know what job is going to come your way, and it might not be pretty, but the saw does not necessarily need to be permanently fixed to one location.
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i was able to pick up a 2.5 ton pallet jack last winter off of Craigslist. I cannot tell you how many times I have used that! I have a tractor with forks that I used to unload all of my equipment off of my trailer but, without the pallet jack, I would have never been able to move things around the shop while running overhead lights and other shop evolutions.
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On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 01:46 PM, george Woodg wrote:
It is helpful to have enough room near your gets loaded. I have my stack of prefinished 3/4 maple on the floor with enough room for FAT 300 scissor lift table on castors to set in front of stack. I get help loading Fat up with plywood and then move loaded fat about 5 ‘ forward and over 2’ which makes it easy to load saw without be in the way of saw’s operation. 3/4” sheets of plywood are ungainly and fairly heavy. I don’t pick them up by myself unless I have to. Just a thought. George Gerstner
Hi George. Not to shift away from the topic but I have looked at the FAT 300 several times and talked to my Felder rep in Dallas about it but haven't pulled the trigger. I keep looking but I haven't found a middle ground yet between the Rockler Panel Mate and the Felder units.
Regarding heavy 3/4" plywood...kind of a sore subject right now for me. During the build-out of my shop I lined the walls with 3/4" tongue and groove and was doing most of the lifting myself with some occasional help from my wife. I went to bed sore many nights while doing that. One day when I was out in the shop I was slightly bent over installing an exterior electrical outlet and when I raised back up, my back locked up. i have had 4 previous back surgeries so had a pretty good sense at the time that this was not one that I would be able to sleep off. Three months later (slowed down because of the pandemic), I am finally on the schedule for another back surgery. Recovery should give me a lot of time to consider how I can more efficiently and safely move materials.
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Hello, I am new here and not real familiar with this sort of forum set-up so please bare with me. A short introduction. I have been a woodworker my whole adult life but for the past 15-20 years it as really been more carpentry than woodworking trying to keep our homes in good shape or to do remodeling. I am retired Coast Guard having served for 32 years and after retiring in 2008, took a civilian job with the Coast Guard where I would and live in the Houston, TX, area. My son is also in the Coast Guard and can retire in 4 years. Our plan is to open a small woodshop and I have been adding to my equipment during our planning and start-up phase. The honest truth is that my son is the real talent...I am the one with more disposable income. I own the following Felder equipment:
Bandsaw: FB 710
Dust Extractor: RL 160
Jointer/Planer: AD 941
Unfortunately, I do not have a Felder sliding table saw. Mine is a 10' slider that was built by a small company in Dallas that sources their cabinet sections from Taiwan and the slider mechanism from Italy. I am currently in the process of renovating a 1500 sq. ft. steel building that will be the woodshop and, although bigger than any garage I have used in the past, will fill up quicker than I realize.
Sorry for the long intro...to my question:
I am trying to figure out how much room I need to the left of the slider? My shop set-up will have my lumber rack up against the wall on the left slide of the slider and would like to have a little room to move between the lumber storage and the saw. My initial thought was that I would need a LOT of space so that I could turn the sheet lengthwise for cutting but then quickly realized that there would never be a time where I would have a full sheet of plywood sticking 8' out from the blade. As far as other lumber, I would crosscut that at the miter station I plan to build.
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I recently added a K975 with ~51“ of rip. The xcut fence that goes with outrigger is ~6’. Overhead saw guard can also play a role. Long story short I need ~12’ to fit this thing. I am few inches shy of 12’ due to a pillar. So I have the rip bar touching the right side wall and like that I cannot cut 48” but can move the outrigger with fence and clear the pillar. I have located the saw such that I can extend my xcut fence fully and cut 4’ before the fence is restricted by the pillar.
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I would suggest a minimum of ten feet. You need a little room to maneuver, and while you might not cut a sheet at 8 foot, you will need to get it up there and not hit the blade.
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Right now you are thinking like a hobbyist, if you plan to open a woodshop with your son you can't limit your possibilities since you don't know what work is going to be coming your way. I have at least 12' available to the left of saw. I routinely cut 8' square cuts on a 4x8 sheet as most are close but not always perfect.
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I have 8’6” to left of blade for clearance for sheet goods, more if necessary for shorter pieces. Barely enough to work and not comfortable. Wish I had more at it gets really tight. I usually trim off the factory edge so it sticks out 8’ to left of blade. Would love at least 10 but can get by with a bit over 8’. Would not entertain anything less than what I have. To the rip side, I have about 20” clearance from a wall. You can be a lot tighter on that side.
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On 5/28/20 12:21 PM, larry@... wrote:
I am trying to figure out how much room I need to the left of the slider?
8 Feet is? my idea of the absolute minimum.? The slider brings a different dynamic to the game? on a conventional saw?? they want to run the rip fence? out? 50 - 60 inches or more? The fact of the slider? elminiates all that. I hardly? use 48"? of rip fence space??? In? fact I can't remember the last time I used that much.
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At first I had a bit of trouble getting used to the slider, Now pretty much every cut is made on it. The fence is just a bump stop, But because I cant get that programed right It just sits out at the end of the table, lonely. I am very happy with my machine and the issues I have is not the machine but the operator.
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I appreciate your comments but will quibble with your assessment of me thinking like a hobbiest. I have put a lot of time and effort into planning and setting this shop up from trenching and running dedicated 400 amp service, installing a 30 HP Phase Perfect to run four pieces of 3 phase equipment, installing central HVAC, running all power and lighting circuits, etc. I have done the vast majority of the work myself after months and months of online research, talking to personal friends/acquaintances , etc. My simple issue is trying to figure out how to best fit big pieces of machinery (primarily the slider) into a space that will also include machinery that I didn't mention...full-size lathe, grinding station, work benches, open corridors for moving things, etc.
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Thanks for the great info Imran...had to reread your post a few times to be able to visualize it but think I got it. I looked up a K975...nice looking saw with similar dimensions to mine.
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No problem Larry, the comment was based on the what you told us and you not thinking you will ever need to cut 8' to the left of the blade. You will find a lot of hobby guys on this forum have built shops and have gone or going through what your same scenario.
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You are welcome Larry. Glad you found it useful. I measured distance between wall and pillar and it is actually 11’ 2”. So, for my saw, 12’ is minimum total space (7’ left of blade) just to be able to operate the slider with outrigger installed.
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Thanks for the additional info and the well wishes on my business. Because of the current pandemic, everything is pretty much at a slow roll right now but am confident we will get there at some point.
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Yes, that allows you to put an 8’ piece on the machine and still have a couple feet to move it around without bumping into the blade.
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On Friday, May 29, 2020, 08:15:19 PM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
On May 29, 2020, at 9:47 PM, murrayau1 < murraywp@...> wrote: ?Thanks Randy and Imran I exchanged my cheap brad nailer for a Makita, problem solved!
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Joe absolutely .? I'm curious to see if it's happening and if canadians will be able to enter by then.?
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On Friday, May 29, 2020, Joe Jensen < joe.jensen@...> wrote:
Rick if you are going maybe I will too.? It would be in Atlanta.
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Good idea, i think you can select “mute” topic?
?Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum?? This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid
19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.?
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national
travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading
cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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F700Z with router spindle - I love it. Quiet and precise. Lower rpm than?a router table, but with 7.5HP behind it, so what? the feed?speed can always be varied. There are cases whereI choose a handheld router, but where a table is concerned the F700Z always wins.
The router spindle on my CF is quick to change tooling, accurate and handy in that it can be lowered out of the way and fence removed in seconds.? I have a powered lift with a digital readout.? I have not used the angle tilt.? ?Ok, I admit I'm selling here.? I have a spare spindle, collets and belt listed in the for sale folder.
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Don't forget that a pallet jack can help on this job or that if the saw needs to be repositioned?by a foot or two... As noted, you never?know what job is going to come your way, and it might not be pretty, but the saw does not necessarily need to be permanently fixed to one location. Good luck on this venture! Cheers Eric
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 12:46 PM george Woodg via <george954679= [email protected]> wrote: It is helpful to have enough room near your gets loaded. I have my stack of prefinished 3/4 maple on the floor with enough room for FAT 300 scissor lift table on castors to set in front of stack. I get help loading Fat up with plywood and then move loaded fat about 5 ‘ forward and over 2’ which makes it easy to load saw without be in the way of saw’s operation. 3/4” sheets of plywood are ungainly and fairly heavy. I don’t pick them up by myself unless I have to. Just a thought. George Gerstner On May 29, 2020, at 12:40 PM, imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? You are welcome Larry. Glad you found it useful. I measured distance between wall and pillar and it is actually 11’ 2”. So, for my saw, 12’ is minimum total space (7’ left of blade) just to be able to operate the slider with outrigger installed.
As others have said, likely 10’ is a good number for left of blade but not for the entire travel of slider. For 4’ wide sheets you need ~5’ before and after the blade.
Good luck with business ?
Imran On May 29, 2020, at 11:45 AM, larry@... wrote: ?Thanks for the great info Imran...had to reread your post a few times to be able to visualize it but think I got it. I looked up a K975...nice looking saw with similar dimensions to mine.
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I would also like to request that members cease the chatter about Covid-19. ??
Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum?? This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum? ?This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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Good idea, i think you can select “mute” topic?
?Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum?? This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid
19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.?
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national
travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading
cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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Is there a IWF or AWFS woodworking show this year ?? ?I assume its cancelled but If there is I would love it .?
Good idea, i think you can select “mute” topic? Regards, Mark ?Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum?? This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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On May 29, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Ron Magliocco <rmagliocco2@...> wrote:
? Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum? ?This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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At the bottom of every email is a link to “mute this topic”, that should take care of it.
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Is there a way to opt out of receiving replies to certain messages on this forum? ?This is a woodworking site and I get a lot of value out of it when it’s used for it’s intended purpose. Discussions about Covid 19, the CDC, politics, etc shouldn’t be let of this forum.? Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
On May 29, 2020, at 6:10 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?I'm not sure what the point of finely parsing cause of death here is?? Does the number plus/minus 50% make any difference to anything?? Surely no holds the position that 100,000 dead is unimportant, but 150,000 dead would be a national travesty.
In any event, I would note that as the CDC uses the term "cause of death", it's actuarial, not a precise medical diagnosis.? It's to bucket deaths into broad categories for governmental policy making.? It's useful to know that ~55K people die of flu (8th leading cause), 180k people die from accidents (3rd leading cause), or ~50K die of suicide (10th leading cause).? Where should society put its money?? It doesn't matter at all whether any given individual died of flu or pneumonia, or blowing their brains out or seppuku.?
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