Re: FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
I follow Snodgrass's method on my 610. I tried the front of the wheel thing and it wouldn't cut straight. Using Alex's method it cuts straight. I find it easier to adjust the tracking than adjust for drift. Adjusting tracking allow the miter and other accessory to work as designed and provides good cuts with minimal fussing. The wheels are slightly crowned so blade placement on the wheel does effect the ability to cut straight. Play around with each method and see which works best for you.
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Re: Shims for Felder dado set
Think those are the correct ones but you could always give Felder a quick call and confirm that they are the correct ones.
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Re: Integrated adjustable rollers for AD 951
The only time I thought bed rollers were worth the effort was when they were powered.? Few are now so I'd save the 750 unless you run really rough stock.? Dave
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Integrated adjustable rollers for AD 951 is a feature offered for the Felder 951. Anyone have experience with using this machine with and without this feature? It's
an upcharge of $750. I have always had such rollers on planers to date. It does adjust to zero if desired. Seems like a good option to have. Any insights?
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Re: Replacement Nordfab Seal Material
Frost King V23WA Ribbed Rubber Self-Stick Weatherseal Tape, 3/8" W, 1/8" T, 17 ft L, White
This works great for 5 and 6 inch clamps.? Larger diameter requires wider...
Marlowe?
Definitely not as easy to reconfigure the spiral compared to clamp together especially if you need to change something in the middle of a run, not sure if it¡¯s worth 4-5 times the cost of spiral though. Cost for me about $5500 in clamp together vs about $900 for spiral. I might to the trunk in spiral and drops in clamp as I don¡¯t see the trunk changing in my current shop. That would be about $300 for spiral and 2-2500 for clamp Regards, Mark On Feb 18, 2020, at 4:32 PM, Shinta Wakahisa via Groups.Io <vnh84=[email protected]> wrote:
?I really like the Nordfab ducts.? I reconfigure it for new machines and took less than an hour.? I don't think you can do it as easily with spiral ducts when I was researching the two options.? When I received the Nordfab products, I was surprise how heavy they are.
BTW,? products are compatible with Nordfab according to the company when I emailed them.? Slightly less expensive.? I plan to purchase some and compare the quality.? Specs on paper are the same as far as I can tell.
SW
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Integrated adjustable rollers for AD 951
Integrated adjustable rollers for AD 951 is a feature offered for the Felder 951. Anyone have experience with using this machine with and without this feature? It's an upcharge of $750. I have always had such rollers on planers to date. It does adjust to zero if desired. Seems like a good option to have. Any insights?
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Re: Replacement Nordfab Seal Material
Definitely not as easy to reconfigure the spiral compared to clamp together especially if you need to change something in the middle of a run, not sure if it¡¯s worth 4-5 times the cost of spiral though. Cost for me about $5500 in clamp together vs about $900 for spiral. I might to the trunk in spiral and drops in clamp as I don¡¯t see the trunk changing in my current shop. That would be about $300 for spiral and 2-2500 for clamp Regards, Mark
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On Feb 18, 2020, at 4:32 PM, Shinta Wakahisa via Groups.Io <vnh84@...> wrote:
?I really like the Nordfab ducts.? I reconfigure it for new machines and took less than an hour.? I don't think you can do it as easily with spiral ducts when I was researching the two options.? When I received the Nordfab products, I was surprise how heavy they are.
BTW,?https://blastgateco.com/ products are compatible with Nordfab according to the company when I emailed them.? Slightly less expensive.? I plan to purchase some and compare the quality.? Specs on paper are the same as far as I can tell.
SW
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Re: FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
I own a Felder FB 510 and have run my tyres centrally - without realising the profile is close to flat rather than crowned as some posters have pointed out.
But I have experienced no issues.
My understanding ?Is the flat profile allows wider blades to track reliably (Duginsky Bandsaw Book)
Technically there appears to be no compelling reason to run the blade centrally on these Felder saws.
Running the ?blade close to the edge makes sense - especially with course set ?teeth.
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Re: Replacement Nordfab Seal Material
I really like the Nordfab ducts.? I reconfigure it for new machines and took less than an hour.? I don't think you can do it as easily with spiral ducts when I was researching the two options.? When I received the Nordfab products, I was surprise how heavy they are.
BTW,?https://blastgateco.com/ products are compatible with Nordfab according to the company when I emailed them.? Slightly less expensive.? I plan to purchase some and compare the quality.? Specs on paper are the same as far as I can tell.
SW
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Re: Felder overhead guard vs. riving knife mounted guard
Not mine but figured I¡¯d share in case this is of interest to someone here.?
Ron Magliocco 1-203-216-4629
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Re: Felder overhead guard vs. riving knife mounted guard
I have used both, and I have also used Sharkguard by Lee Valley.
my opinion and experience is that overhead guard are more superior than the standard type. there are times a standard one may work better but overall overhead guard has my vote 99.9% of the time.
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FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
I was curious about the recommendation here is.? I recently saw a video by Alex Snodgrass where he recommends positioning the blade gullet at the center of the wheels as it gets the most support under tension (this is for wheels that have a crown at the top).? Whereas the very limited documentation I see for Felder recommends positioning the blades so that the gullets are near the very edge of the wheel. Is it because the wheels are flat, instead of having a crown?
What's the recommended best practice for Felder bandsaws?? I would like to just position it in the center as it makes blade installation easy, but I worry about chewing up the rubber on the wheels or worse.
Thanks!
Anil
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Shims for Felder dado set
All
I currently have this , but misplaced the shims needed to adjust the dado width and can't seem to find a suitable replacement on the Felder website.? Does anyone know what would work best?? The closest I can see is for shaper slot cutters - but it does not say whether they would work with the dado set or not.
Any suggestions are most welcome.
Anil
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Re: Replacement Nordfab Seal Material
Timely post as i will be asking some questions about norfab vs spiral.?
Why not just buy replacement nordfab o rings? Maybe mentioned and I missed it Regards, Mark
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On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Marlowe McGraw <marlomcgraw@...> wrote:
? I've replaced some of mine with the white roll sticky backed seal material that you can get at home depot or Lowe's.? ?I'll try to look up the specific details later.
Marlowe McGraw? On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 2:16 PM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
If you don't plan on taking it apart? why not use silicone
sealant?
On 2/18/20 11:00 AM, David Davies
wrote:
All,
? ?I've noticed as I've been reconfiguring my Nordfab duct
work that some of the seals on the QF clamps are pretty thin.?
Has anybody found a replacement seal for the QF clamps?
Thanks,
Dave
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Re: Replacement Nordfab Seal Material
I've replaced some of mine with the white roll sticky backed seal material that you can get at home depot or Lowe's.? ?I'll try to look up the specific details later.
Marlowe McGraw?
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 2:16 PM Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
If you don't plan on taking it apart? why not use silicone
sealant?
On 2/18/20 11:00 AM, David Davies
wrote:
All,
? ?I've noticed as I've been reconfiguring my Nordfab duct
work that some of the seals on the QF clamps are pretty thin.?
Has anybody found a replacement seal for the QF clamps?
Thanks,
Dave
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318-219-7868
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Re: I did something stupid!
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:36 AM, david@... wrote:
My PP when powered off opens disconnects for T1, T2 and T3 and thus no power is present on any of the legs.
It might vary by model.? My PP has voltage to ground on two legs when "off".? The Phase Perfect PT manual repeats this warning in multiple places: WARNING! When the converter is turned OFF using a remote switch on the Control Terminals, dangerous voltage is still present on the input lines, inside the enclosure and on certain output lines to ground.?
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Re: Replacement Nordfab Seal Material
If you don't plan on taking it apart? why not use silicone
sealant?
On 2/18/20 11:00 AM, David Davies
wrote:
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All,
? ?I've noticed as I've been reconfiguring my Nordfab duct
work that some of the seals on the QF clamps are pretty thin.?
Has anybody found a replacement seal for the QF clamps?
Thanks,
Dave
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: I did something stupid!
Yes that¡¯s how you get around it Designing and building for 47 years
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On Feb 18, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Alex Bowlds <aabj@...> wrote:
? Hi SW,
Felder, like many other equipment suppliers don¡¯t want unqualified persons messing around with the guts of the machines while they are under warranty. ?It tends to unnecessarily complicate warranty issues.?
I encountered the same issue with the sticker covering the edge of the cabinet that houses the electrical components of my KF700SP. ?When faced with determining how to wire up the saw to avoid a mistake, I contacted Felder Tech Support. ?They gave me permission to access the electrical cabinet without voiding the warranty. ?Since they created a trouble ticket, I asked them to note in the trouble ticket documentation that they had given me permission to open the cabinet to verify it was the brown wire that was to be connected to the high voltage leg of my three phase power service. ?There was no further hassle.
I followed the same procedure when I wired up the new F900Z shaper and a power feeder for our local high school shop. ?Again, no hassle other than requesting permission and documentation.
Alex On Feb 18, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Shinta Wakahisa via Groups.Io <vnh84@...> wrote:
?So my wiring is OK.? I remember talking to one of the Felder techs from Delaware back when I received my KF 700 SP and he said the same thing David posted.? I was about to open up my PP and trace all my extension cords to make sure my personal note is correct.? Thank you for the verification.
BUT, Felder does not want you to open the electronic cabinet without their permission otherwise, you void warranty.? My machines have stickers all over the electrical cabinet with such warning.? I've stayed clear of it.? At least, until the machines are out of warranty.
SW
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Re: I did something stupid!
My AR has that accessory feature for two thirds the cost of the ?unit so I am just installing 0/1 every 16 feet to start with incase my brain takes a dump.? I probably have every thing on my shelves to build one down the road.?
Mac,, just have to figure out .
Designing and building for 47 years
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On Feb 18, 2020, at 1:36 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
? In theory you are right unless your phase converter has built-in disconnects. ? My PP when powered off opens disconnects for T1, T2 and T3 and thus no power is present on any of the legs. ? Different converters might or might not have build-in disconnects.
David Best On Feb 18, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Shawn Kammerer via Groups.Io < shawnkammerer@...> wrote:
Sorry to confuse. I¡¯m just suggesting a simple visual confirmation for people with power drive or digi?drive. If you¡¯re wired up correctly, your panel will?light up with your converter turned off. If not, then the manufactured 3rd leg is being sent to the panel. So when I wire up a new plug, I plug it in and confirm my panel is only being supplied by the two pass-through legs, instead of the hot leg. I don¡¯t try to run anything with the converter off though, just a simple confirmation that the power drive panel?isn¡¯t connected to the manufactured leg.? On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 11:01 AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: Shawn not sure I understand what your explaining , I am just not recommending single phasing the motor. With your own manufactured 3 phase power the NEC 408 Mark references is the way to go . From the power Co At my shop it makes no difference.? Designing and building for 47 years On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Shawn Kammerer via Groups.Io <shawnkammerer@...> wrote:
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Mac, I don¡¯t think I¡¯m sending any power to the 3 phase?motors though. The panels don¡¯t take the manufactured leg, which is why it¡¯s so important to get the wiring right, and I¡¯m just making sure I¡¯ve got the right wires going to the right terminals on the plug.?If I were to try and fire up the saw motor with the converter off, that would be a different story. But I¡¯m even less of an electrician than you. I¡¯m probably screwing something up, but what we don¡¯t know can¡¯t hurt us, right? On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 10:32 AM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote: Shawn, Sending two legs of power to a 3 phase motor is never a good idea.? The term is singlephasing. But I am not an electrician just a hack or copy cat. Mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years On Feb 18, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Shawn Kammerer via Groups.Io <shawnkammerer@...> wrote:
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I¡¯ve got an American Rotary ADX20, and the manufactured leg is definitely hotter than the other two legs. My understanding is that the manufactured leg is only used to fire up the main motors, and doesn¡¯t send any added power to the power drive panels. So the way I tripple-check when wiring up a new plug is plug in the machine and see if the panels and controls work with the converter off. If it does, then it¡¯s being fed by the two pass-through legs, not the manufactured leg. But I would be very surprised if the panel would burn out that fast from just raising the blade height once, even if it was getting extra voltage by being wired incorrectly.?
-Shawn On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 9:34 AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: As way say around here stuff happens . ok I will wake you tomorrow with spring flowers from your beautiful gardens Mac,, Designing and building for 47 years ?
CORRECTION.
Mac rousted me up this morning about wire colors and electrical connections to phase converters. ?I have documentation from Felder that suggests the brown wire should always be on the phase converter manufactured leg, Mac had contradictory information. ??I started to wonder if dementia was finally setting in. ? So I called Felder service in Delaware.?
Apparently Felder had been inconsistent over the years in connecting the AC cable to the control panel electronics within the machine. ?As such, it appears that some minds changed a decade ago about which color wire is connected to the control circuits of the machine. ? According to the service tech, the brown wire is supposed to be kept OFF the manufactured leg from the phase converter. ? I¡¯ve revised the write-up I posted previously and the corrected version is attached. ? Sorry for any confusion.
Phase converter outputs could be connected as follows if using plugs and sockets for 3-phase connections to the machine: ?T1 output connects to L1 on the receptacle, T2 connects to L2, T3 connects to L3. ?The brown wire belongs on L2, the black and grey wires on L1 and L3. ?The black and grey wires should be reversed if the motors are running backwards.
Sorry for all the confusion.
David Best
Oh no prob. I haven¡¯t touched it since I made this initial posting. I just hope my first fub up didn¡¯t destroy the control panel/power drive.
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Re: I did something stupid!
Hi SW,
Felder, like many other equipment suppliers don¡¯t want unqualified persons messing around with the guts of the machines while they are under warranty. ?It tends to unnecessarily complicate warranty issues.?
I encountered the same issue with the sticker covering the edge of the cabinet that houses the electrical components of my KF700SP. ?When faced with determining how to wire up the saw to avoid a mistake, I contacted Felder Tech Support. ?They gave me permission to access the electrical cabinet without voiding the warranty. ?Since they created a trouble ticket, I asked them to note in the trouble ticket documentation that they had given me permission to open the cabinet to verify it was the brown wire that was to be connected to the high voltage leg of my three phase power service. ?There was no further hassle.
I followed the same procedure when I wired up the new F900Z shaper and a power feeder for our local high school shop. ?Again, no hassle other than requesting permission and documentation.
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On Feb 18, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Shinta Wakahisa via Groups.Io <vnh84@...> wrote:
?So my wiring is OK.? I remember talking to one of the Felder techs from Delaware back when I received my KF 700 SP and he said the same thing David posted.? I was about to open up my PP and trace all my extension cords to make sure my personal note is correct.? Thank you for the verification.
BUT, Felder does not want you to open the electronic cabinet without their permission otherwise, you void warranty.? My machines have stickers all over the electrical cabinet with such warning.? I've stayed clear of it.? At least, until the machines are out of warranty.
SW
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David, good point. Mine is an American Rotary and doesn¡¯t have a disconnect. Michael, the original poster, has an AR also, different model though. So this may or may not apply.?
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 11:36 AM, david@... <david@...> wrote: In theory you are right unless your phase converter has built-in disconnects. ? My PP when powered off opens disconnects for T1, T2 and T3 and thus no power is present on any of the legs. ? Different converters might or might not have build-in disconnects.
David Best On Feb 18, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Shawn Kammerer via Groups.Io < shawnkammerer@...> wrote:
Sorry to confuse. I¡¯m just suggesting a simple visual confirmation for people with power drive or digi?drive. If you¡¯re wired up correctly, your panel will?light up with your converter turned off. If not, then the manufactured 3rd leg is being sent to the panel. So when I wire up a new plug, I plug it in and confirm my panel is only being supplied by the two pass-through legs, instead of the hot leg. I don¡¯t try to run anything with the converter off though, just a simple confirmation that the power drive panel?isn¡¯t connected to the manufactured leg.? On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 11:01 AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: Shawn not sure I understand what your explaining , I am just not recommending single phasing the motor. With your own manufactured 3 phase power the NEC 408 Mark references is the way to go . From the power Co At my shop it makes no difference.? Designing and building for 47 years On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Shawn Kammerer via Groups.Io <shawnkammerer@...> wrote:
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Mac, I don¡¯t think I¡¯m sending any power to the 3 phase?motors though. The panels don¡¯t take the manufactured leg, which is why it¡¯s so important to get the wiring right, and I¡¯m just making sure I¡¯ve got the right wires going to the right terminals on the plug.?If I were to try and fire up the saw motor with the converter off, that would be a different story. But I¡¯m even less of an electrician than you. I¡¯m probably screwing something up, but what we don¡¯t know can¡¯t hurt us, right? On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 10:32 AM, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002@...> wrote: Shawn, Sending two legs of power to a 3 phase motor is never a good idea.? The term is singlephasing. But I am not an electrician just a hack or copy cat. Mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years On Feb 18, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Shawn Kammerer via Groups.Io <shawnkammerer@...> wrote:
?
I¡¯ve got an American Rotary ADX20, and the manufactured leg is definitely hotter than the other two legs. My understanding is that the manufactured leg is only used to fire up the main motors, and doesn¡¯t send any added power to the power drive panels. So the way I tripple-check when wiring up a new plug is plug in the machine and see if the panels and controls work with the converter off. If it does, then it¡¯s being fed by the two pass-through legs, not the manufactured leg. But I would be very surprised if the panel would burn out that fast from just raising the blade height once, even if it was getting extra voltage by being wired incorrectly.?
-Shawn On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 9:34 AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: As way say around here stuff happens . ok I will wake you tomorrow with spring flowers from your beautiful gardens Mac,, Designing and building for 47 years ?
CORRECTION.
Mac rousted me up this morning about wire colors and electrical connections to phase converters. ?I have documentation from Felder that suggests the brown wire should always be on the phase converter manufactured leg, Mac had contradictory information. ??I started to wonder if dementia was finally setting in. ? So I called Felder service in Delaware.?
Apparently Felder had been inconsistent over the years in connecting the AC cable to the control panel electronics within the machine. ?As such, it appears that some minds changed a decade ago about which color wire is connected to the control circuits of the machine. ? According to the service tech, the brown wire is supposed to be kept OFF the manufactured leg from the phase converter. ? I¡¯ve revised the write-up I posted previously and the corrected version is attached. ? Sorry for any confusion.
Phase converter outputs could be connected as follows if using plugs and sockets for 3-phase connections to the machine: ?T1 output connects to L1 on the receptacle, T2 connects to L2, T3 connects to L3. ?The brown wire belongs on L2, the black and grey wires on L1 and L3. ?The black and grey wires should be reversed if the motors are running backwards.
Sorry for all the confusion.
David Best
Oh no prob. I haven¡¯t touched it since I made this initial posting. I just hope my first fub up didn¡¯t destroy the control panel/power drive.
<Felder Electrical Cord Connections.pdf>
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