Is this also normal? Does Felder have any type of return?policy?
Bill Bélanger
As usual, it would be better to talk to David sooner.? I didn't do that with my first FB510 which made excessive grinding and clanking noises when adjusting the blade guide assembly up and down.? Phone calls and messages to Felder were frustrating and worse.? Ultimately, a video persuaded them that a replacement was necessary.? Even then, they thought I should do the return crating and shipping.? A short discussion of the California Civil Code solved that and the new machine has been smooth running, powerful and generally satisfactory.? Nevertheless, blade changes and veneer resawing require careful tuning and adjusting.??
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As usual, it would be better to talk to David sooner.? I didn't do that with my first FB510 which made excessive grinding and clanking noises when adjusting the blade guide assembly up and down.? Phone calls and messages to Felder were frustrating and worse.? Ultimately, a video persuaded them that a replacement was necessary.? Even then, they thought I should do the return crating and shipping.? A short discussion of the California Civil Code solved that and the new machine has been smooth running, powerful and generally satisfactory.? Nevertheless, blade changes and veneer resawing require careful tuning and adjusting.??
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Jay,
I install the blade so the blade teeth overhang the upper wheel. I used to install the blade on the center of the upper wheel, the tracking was terrible, can't cut straight.
Also, the blade makes difference too. The Fleder steel blade I got for free produces the lowest quality cut. I also tension the blade one size up. For example, 3/4" blade, I tension it to the mark for 1" inch blade.
My FB510 is levelled on the garage floor, supported by the wood blank. I sharpen the steel blade myself using Dremel, pretty easy and fast.
James
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 7:18 PM jay bodnar < jbod@...> wrote: Thanks for checking this James. ? That is how my saw should work. ? I’m going to work on making my saw better.
I really appreciate the information.
Have a great day,
jay
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Thanks for checking this James. ? That is how my saw should work. ? I’m going to work on making my saw better.
I really appreciate the information.
Have a great day,
jay
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Sure wish mine was that smooth. Who makes these saws anyway?? The same people who make the sliders and jointer planers?
Bill Belanger
Jay,
I fully tightened the knob, adjusted the ceramic guide to ensure the guide does not touch the blade, no visible vibration, see the video.
James ?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:56 PM jay bodnar < jbod@...> wrote: Thanks James. ? Maybe this brings peace of mind for me. ? I know that it is not a precision machine, but this should not be happening.? The Felder tech was puzzled as well.
Have a great evening,
jay
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Jay,
I fully tightened the knob, adjusted the ceramic guide to ensure the guide does not touch the blade, no visible vibration, see the video.
James ?
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:56 PM jay bodnar < jbod@...> wrote: Thanks James. ? Maybe this brings peace of mind for me. ? I know that it is not a precision machine, but this should not be happening.? The Felder tech was puzzled as well.
Have a great evening,
jay
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Re: Anyone have a digi drive manual?
Problem is the table is all the way down and my height readout says .250 so it thinks the table is near the top. I can but the f key and run it up manually but only to .120 and then when I go down the table bottoms out and gives an error message. There's got to be a way to get the table to the top and then reset it.
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Re: Anyone have a digi drive manual?
There’s an AD 741 user manual in the file section manuals on the fog site. Maybe that would help you
Bill Belanger?
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 15:33 Jeff Monson < gat@...> wrote: Need some help. In my recent move I can't for the life of me find my manuals for my Felder equipment. Today I plugged in my 2006? AD 741 ( it's been in storage for a year) and I can't get the table to move it's full stroke. This is a Digi drive machine so I think something got messed up in the height indicator. I know there is a way to reset all this but I can't remember. Anyone with the procedure or a copy of the manual I would greatly appreciate some help.?
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Anyone have a digi drive manual?
Need some help. In my recent move I can't for the life of me find my manuals for my Felder equipment. Today I plugged in my 2006? AD 741 ( it's been in storage for a year) and I can't get the table to move it's full stroke. This is a Digi drive machine so I think something got messed up in the height indicator. I know there is a way to reset all this but I can't remember. Anyone with the procedure or a copy of the manual I would greatly appreciate some help.?
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Here is another home made version.? If you do a web search for "Overarm Blade Guard Gordon Sampson" you'll find a PDF of an article many years ago on Woodcentral.? (I wasn't sure if external links are allowed here so I didn't post a direct link.)
The ceiling mount was inspired by some photos posted by Sam Blasco on the MinMax forum in 2003. You cannot execute the?ceiling mount of you have 20 ft ceilings but for 8-10 ft it's no problem.
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In the photos below you will see that I executed the ceiling mount a bit different than Sam's and also provided left-to-right adjustability. When I am ripping, I can move the guard to the left to make more room for narrow cuts (use a push block!). This position also works good for edge trimming since more of the dust goes into the collector rather than out the side. Moving the guard to the right also gives me clearance for my miter guide.??I have a stepstool (3-step ladder) nearby to the saw. I stand on that, loosen the four knobs approx 1/2 turn, slide the guard into the new position and retighten. This takes about 30 seconds. The solution may not be what the pros want, but for this amateur it works just fine.
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I intended to use telescoping aluminum square tube to provide vertical adjustability but I was unable to find enough for both supports. So the front one uses the telescoping tubes while the rear one uses a wooden support and an aluminum tube.
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Overall I am satisfied - the guard does a great job of dust collection and keeps my hands away from the blade.  ??   ?? ?? JM Downingtown, PA
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Congratulations! The best part is peeling off those little stickers :)
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Re: K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
Like Mac just said gauge blocks, and once you become in tune with your machine you'll know how much height a slight turn of the wheel will give you. It's really a pain to walk around the slider to view a gauge on the height adjustment.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression" <airtightclamps@...> Date: 2020-02-15 12:25 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected], david.hawxhurst@..., 'Bill James' <xxrb2010@...>, jonathan.smith@... Subject: Re: [FOG] K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
What i use is gauge blocks or shaper bushing example 10 mm deep,,,, take 10mm high shaper bushing zero to top dead center and makes no difference what diameter is do same on shaper for height and depth.? mac,,,
On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 11:08:10 AM CST, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote:
I have a height gage but would like to have the hand wheel version height indicator so that I could make changes on the fly similar to setting stops on a fence.? Fast.? The down side is that it has to be re-stet ?to each blade diameter so not convenient to my 200mm ?dado and 315mm combo (or mental math can be calculated at a certain risk). ?And then there is the worm gear backlash to deal with.? A much better set up would be a dro mounted on the trunion as in the Power Drive version.? The one I have on the shaper spindle is very handy.? It can be re-zero'ed at any position.? I also use the one on the planer but it is not as accurate so confirm final thickness with a caliper. ? And then there is the problem with my calipers coming out of tune because I dropped them too many times.? And then there is my bi-focals.? I would love to have a big red read out and zero button. ? Jon S ? ? Curious as why you would need/want to have this? I use a height gauge for setting dado blade height its quick and easy. Well maybe not quite as fast as built in gauge.
Would some sort of aftermarket DRO gauge work? Wixely come to mind as one of the least expensive ones.
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Re: K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
Yes, but,,,, the machine has to be stopped to make gage block adjustments.? The other thing I did not mention is a dro works in inches, my preferred system. ? ?
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To: [email protected]; david.hawxhurst@...; 'Bill James'; jonathan.smith@...
Subject: Re: [FOG] K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels? What i use is gauge blocks or shaper bushing example 10 mm deep,,,, take 10mm high shaper bushing zero to top dead center and makes no difference what diameter is do same on shaper for height and depth.? On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 11:08:10 AM CST, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote: I have a height gage but would like to have the hand wheel version height indicator so that I could make changes on the fly similar to setting stops on a fence.? Fast.? The down side is that it has to be re-stet ?to each blade diameter so not convenient to my 200mm ?dado and 315mm combo (or mental math can be calculated at a certain risk). ?And then there is the worm gear backlash to deal with.? A much better set up would be a dro mounted on the trunion as in the Power Drive version.? The one I have on the shaper spindle is very handy.? It can be re-zero'ed at any position.? I also use the one on the planer but it is not as accurate so confirm final thickness with a caliper. ? And then there is the problem with my calipers coming out of tune because I dropped them too many times.? And then there is my bi-focals.? I would love to have a big red read out and zero button. ? Jon S ? ? Curious as why you would need/want to have this? I use a height gauge for setting dado blade height its quick and easy. Well maybe not quite as fast as built in gauge.
Would some sort of aftermarket DRO gauge work? Wixely come to mind as one of the least expensive ones.
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Re: K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
What i use is gauge blocks or shaper bushing example 10 mm deep,,,, take 10mm high shaper bushing zero to top dead center and makes no difference what diameter is do same on shaper for height and depth.? mac,,,
On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 11:08:10 AM CST, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote:
I have a height gage but would like to have the hand wheel version height indicator so that I could make changes on the fly similar to setting stops on a fence.? Fast.? The down side is that it has to be re-stet ?to each blade diameter so not convenient to my 200mm ?dado and 315mm combo (or mental math can be calculated at a certain risk). ?And then there is the worm gear backlash to deal with.? A much better set up would be a dro mounted on the trunion as in the Power Drive version.? The one I have on the shaper spindle is very handy.? It can be re-zero'ed at any position.? I also use the one on the planer but it is not as accurate so confirm final thickness with a caliper. ? And then there is the problem with my calipers coming out of tune because I dropped them too many times.? And then there is my bi-focals.? I would love to have a big red read out and zero button. ? Jon S ?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 7:52 AM
To: Bill James; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels ? Curious as why you would need/want to have this? I use a height gauge for setting dado blade height its quick and easy. Well maybe not quite as fast as built in gauge.
Would some sort of aftermarket DRO gauge work? Wixely come to mind as one of the least expensive ones.
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Re: K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
I have a height gage but would like to have the hand wheel version height indicator so that I could make changes on the fly similar to setting stops on a fence.? Fast.? The down side is that it has to be re-stet ?to each blade diameter so not convenient to my 200mm ?dado and 315mm combo (or mental math can be calculated at a certain risk). ?And then there is the worm gear backlash to deal with.? A much better set up would be a dro mounted on the trunion as in the Power Drive version.? The one I have on the shaper spindle is very handy.? It can be re-zero'ed at any position.? I also use the one on the planer but it is not as accurate so confirm final thickness with a caliper. ? And then there is the problem with my calipers coming out of tune because I dropped them too many times.? And then there is my bi-focals.? I would love to have a big red read out and zero button. ? Jon S ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 7:52 AM
To: Bill James; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels? Curious as why you would need/want to have this? I use a height gauge for setting dado blade height its quick and easy. Well maybe not quite as fast as built in gauge.
Would some sort of aftermarket DRO gauge work? Wixely come to mind as one of the least expensive ones.
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Re: K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 10:47 AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression wrote:
If with a slider I would zero off slider?
I thought about this method but I was not sure I can really get the zero correct. I will definitively try. Thanks, Bill
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Re: K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
With saw take your dial indicator or a block and touch the high point of the blade at zero . Set the dial at zero and that’s it you want to do a 10 mm deep cut it will be 10 . If with a slider I would zero off slider? Designing and building for 47 years
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On Feb 15, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?Glad, I asked the question, I learn something.
David, I thought the dial is less cumbersome that any gauge for which I need to figure out the apex of the blade tooth. With a dial, you turn it correctly, as Mac said, and you stop when the reading is correct. To set i tup, you do a test cu, measure with a dial caliper on your test piece, adjust the dial and you are done for a long time.
With a gauge you need to do the adjustment every time as I am currently doing with my dial caliper. Unless there is something I am missing.
Bill
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Re: K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
Glad, I asked the question, I learn something.
David, I thought the dial is less cumbersome that any gauge for which I need to figure out the apex of the blade tooth. With a dial, you turn it correctly, as Mac said, and you stop when the reading is correct. To set i tup, you do a test cu, measure with a dial caliper on your test piece, adjust the dial and you are done for a long time.
With a gauge you need to do the adjustment every time as I am currently doing with my dial caliper. Unless there is something I am missing.
Bill
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Re: K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
The dial should be accurate as long as you always adjust against the screw. So as example if you are adjusting up against the play in the screw, you can’t adjust down and expect the dial to be accurate,.you have to go down and than back up. All adjustments work the same way on any machine that has a dial. Mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years
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On Feb 14, 2020, at 10:01 PM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?I do have this dial indicator for an A31 and find it useful and wonder if it really works on a K500 for the blade height.
Let me explain:
The OEM handwheels for a K500 blade height is not fixed to the arbor as you need to remove it to lock the blade angle adjustment. There is a lot of play when you turn the wheel due to the fact that the wheel is not lock. Thus, I do not see how useful the dial indicator with the ALU wheel can be as long as this play is present.
If anyone has use the dial indicator with the ALU wheel for the blade height adjustment can shim in that would be nice. So far, I use a oneway gauge and dial indicator, but this is laborious overtime as I need to get the zenith of the blade tooth to get the proper measurement. I am looking for a more permanent setup for which you adjust one time and use it many many times.
Thanks,
Bill
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Re: K500 blade height adjustment with Felder Dial indicator for system handwheels
Curious as why you would need/want to have this? I use a height gauge for setting dado blade height its quick and easy. Well maybe not quite as fast as built in gauge.
Would some sort of aftermarket DRO gauge work? Wixely come to mind as one of the least expensive ones.
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