I bought them from Martin in US when our dollar was in better shape. I do have that mounting piece for the round bar to F rails ?that Dave mentioned if you find your interested in getting one. I needed it when I had my AD741.?
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John,
Where did you buy the Aigner product in Canada?
Thanks, James
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Simantech Inc carries the full range of Aigner (and I think they use Martin as a distributor :-)). Their website is up and running, has all the prices if you need to compare costs to the Felder unit
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I will use two at a time on occasion on my KF700 -- infeed and outfeed.? For the infeed I had to by the Aigner accessory for round bars to get it to mount. Dave
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:49 PM, John jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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I did the same basically 2 for the price of 1 Felder. I use them on the FB600, F700Z, and my AD951.?
I ended up buying an Aigner extension fence from Carl at Martin.? I can't remember exactly ?now and their e-shop is down but I think it was about half the price of the Felder.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Mac,
I completely agree with you.
I should have asked the sales guy to throw in the cast iron extension table. I was mislead and thought the aluminum extension table could be used on the KF700.
Besides, I could get it at 30% off accessory at the time of machine purchase.
Oh well, lesson learned. So anyone buys a Saw/shaper machine in the future, must get the narrow cast iron extension table.
James
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I find it utterly amazing that you purchased a machine and an extension table at a minimum ?6x20"cast table was not part of your purchased. ?The table ends abruptly in less than a foot from spindle center line. This is the responsibility of your sales person,,, period. Like buying a saw with no blades what the hell. ? mac... ? martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330 cell 608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 46 years
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I observed the same thing, extension table is 100% needed on the KF 700. I need to order one too.
I think it is F-channel extension table.
I have the wide aluminum F-channel extension table, I use it on planer and bandsaw, but too wide, can't use it on the outfeed end of the KF.
James
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Hi Everyone,
I have a current year KF700SP (delivered 2016) and want to put an extension table at the end of the shaper outfeed but I don't know what connection type that is.? There is a short connection bar that is used to attach the power feeder lift that has room for a small width outfeed table.? Can anyone tell me what style of connection that is and whether Felder makes an extension table for this point? I see a couple in the catalogue, but can't tell which one would work for my application.
Alternatively, if some other company makes an outfeed table, or there are plans to make one, please let me know.
Using a power feeder on the shaper without an extension table provides very little room to catch the outfeed stock, plus I worry that longer stock will get pulled down by gravity at the leading edge and lift up the stock at the cutter head.
As always, your assistance and advice is really appreciated.
Warmly,
Bill White SoCal (Orange County)
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I did the same basically 2 for the price of 1 Felder. I use them on the FB600, F700Z, and my AD951.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "David Davies myfinishingtouch@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Date: 2016-12-05 9:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: felder-woodworking <felder-woodworking@...> Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Extension Table
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I ended up buying an Aigner extension fence from Carl at Martin.? I can't remember exactly ?now and their e-shop is down but I think it was about half the price of the Felder.
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I ended up buying an Aigner extension fence from Carl at Martin.? I can't remember exactly ?now and their e-shop is down but I think it was about half the price of the Felder.
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I find it utterly amazing that you purchased a machine and an extension table at a minimum ?6x20"cast table was not part of your purchased. ?The table ends abruptly in less than a foot from spindle center line. This is the responsibility of your sales person,,, period. Like buying a saw with no blades what the hell. ? mac... ? martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330 cell
Designing and building for 46 years
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I observed the same thing, extension table is 100% needed on the KF 700. I need to order one too.
I think it is F-channel extension table.
I have the wide aluminum F-channel extension table, I use it on planer and bandsaw, but too wide, can't use it on the outfeed end of the KF.
James
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Hi Everyone,
I have a current year KF700SP (delivered 2016) and want to put an extension table at the end of the shaper outfeed but I don't know what connection type that is.? There is a short connection bar that is used to attach the power feeder lift that has room for a small width outfeed table.? Can anyone tell me what style of connection that is and whether Felder makes an extension table for this point? I see a couple in the catalogue, but can't tell which one would work for my application.
Alternatively, if some other company makes an outfeed table, or there are plans to make one, please let me know.
Using a power feeder on the shaper without an extension table provides very little room to catch the outfeed stock, plus I worry that longer stock will get pulled down by gravity at the leading edge and lift up the stock at the cutter head.
As always, your assistance and advice is really appreciated.
Warmly,
Bill White SoCal (Orange County)
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I find it utterly amazing that you purchased a machine and an extension table at a minimum ?6x20"cast table was not part of your purchased. ?The table ends abruptly in less than a foot from spindle center line. This is the responsibility of your sales person,,, period. Like buying a saw with no blades what the hell. ? mac... ? martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330 cell 608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 46 years
From: "James Zhu james.zhu2@... [felder-woodworking]" To: felder-woodworking@...
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Extension Table
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I observed the same thing, extension table is 100% needed on the KF 700. I need to order one too.
I think it is F-channel extension table.
I have the wide aluminum F-channel extension table, I use it on planer and bandsaw, but too wide, can't use it on the outfeed end of the KF.
James
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Hi Everyone,
I have a current year KF700SP (delivered 2016) and want to put an extension table at the end of the shaper outfeed but I don't know what connection type that is.? There is a short connection bar that is used to attach the power feeder lift that has room for a small width outfeed table.? Can anyone tell me what style of connection that is and whether Felder makes an extension table for this point? I see a couple in the catalogue, but can't tell which one would work for my application.
Alternatively, if some other company makes an outfeed table, or there are plans to make one, please let me know.
Using a power feeder on the shaper without an extension table provides very little room to catch the outfeed stock, plus I worry that longer stock will get pulled down by gravity at the leading edge and lift up the stock at the cutter head.
As always, your assistance and advice is really appreciated.
Warmly,
Bill White SoCal (Orange County)
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I have the 18 cast iron extension on a KF700S and it fits nicely between the sliding table and the power feeder shaper tilt bracket.? ? You are correct about the workpiece needing support as it exits the 700¡¯s cast iron table.? Seems you mentioned the Aigner shaper fence previously (maybe my memory is bad).? I have that option and before I bought the extension table, I had made a cut where the safety fingers of the Aigner were engaged to cover the unmachined portion of the wood.? Without disengaging them, I foolishly loosened the shaper hood from the 700¡¯s cast table to move it back and the unsupported side of the Aigner fence tilted downward badly bending 4 of the engaged safety fingers; one I was able to straighten. 3 were an expensive repair purchase from Aigner ?(just glad they were available at any price). ? James
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Subject: [felder-woodworking] Extension Table? ? Hi Everyone, I have a current year KF700SP (delivered 2016) and want to put an extension table at the end of the shaper outfeed but I don't know what connection type that is.? There is a short connection bar that is used to attach the power feeder lift that has room for a small width outfeed table.? Can anyone tell me what style of connection that is and whether Felder makes an extension table for this point? I see a couple in the catalogue, but can't tell which one would work for my application. Alternatively, if some other company makes an outfeed table, or there are plans to make one, please let me know. Using a power feeder on the shaper without an extension table provides very little room to catch the outfeed stock, plus I worry that longer stock will get pulled down by gravity at the leading edge and lift up the stock at the cutter head. As always, your assistance and advice is really appreciated. ?
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I observed the same thing, extension table is 100% needed on the KF 700. I need to order one too.
I think it is F-channel extension table.
I have the wide aluminum F-channel extension table, I use it on planer and bandsaw, but too wide, can't use it on the outfeed end of the KF.
James
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Hi Everyone,
I have a current year KF700SP (delivered 2016) and want to put an extension table at the end of the shaper outfeed but I don't know what connection type that is.? There is a short connection bar that is used to attach the power feeder lift that has room for a small width outfeed table.? Can anyone tell me what style of connection that is and whether Felder makes an extension table for this point? I see a couple in the catalogue, but can't tell which one would work for my application.
Alternatively, if some other company makes an outfeed table, or there are plans to make one, please let me know.
Using a power feeder on the shaper without an extension table provides very little room to catch the outfeed stock, plus I worry that longer stock will get pulled down by gravity at the leading edge and lift up the stock at the cutter head.
As always, your assistance and advice is really appreciated.
Warmly,
Bill White SoCal (Orange County)
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Re: See the new dust collector?
0.1 M class. Which is a Hepa.?
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Does the Felder RL dust collector equip with 0.3 micro HEPA filter?
James
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Again, the percentage efficiency doesn't say much without knowing the input particle size distribution. ?
OSHA rules cites some scientific work on real-world duct production, and I've excerpted ("fair use" I hope) a particle size distribution chart from a study of sanders:
I suspect in saw operations that nearly 99.9% of particles are >1 micron.? If true, then a system like Gyro with claimed 99.9% pre-filtration separation efficiency and 5 micron filters could in fact be allowing 100% of the sub-micron particles to pass through it and still be meeting specs. ? Obviously I am not claiming that is the case with Gyro, I am only pointing out that the stated performance measures cannot by themselves tell you what's actually getting though.?
I would however say that Gyro's claim that their technology is 300x more effective than cyclones at centrifugal separation seems like an extraordinary claim, and as Carl Sagan famously said,?extraordinary claims require?extraordinary evidence.
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I just went through this.
I opted for the Aigner tables over the Felder. They are very?nice although mine arrived with a couple lumps or blemishes in them. Almost like where the?brackets for the legs got welded to the tables bottom?it caused the?aluminum to?deform. Its kinda?a bummer but they are really really nice otherwise.
The F style bracket is what you want to mount either the Felder or Aigner tables. The Felder ones are on sale at the moment. Even on sale they are more expnsive than the Aigner and imop the Aigner are nicer.
Call Felder in Delaware and ask for Geoff Dubet in sales. He is a great guy and will get you exactly what you need for your exact machine..
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On Monday, December 5, 2016, Brian Lamb blamb11@... [felder-woodworking] < felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Pretty sure that¡¯s F-channel. Felder sells a 1 meter extension table with a leg for that position. Take a look at this on the Felder site:
Hi Everyone,
I have a current year KF700SP (delivered 2016) and want to put an extension table at the end of the shaper outfeed but I don't know what connection type that is.? There is a short connection bar that is used to attach the power feeder lift that has room for a small width outfeed table.? Can anyone tell me what style of connection that is and whether Felder makes an extension table for this point? I see a couple in the catalogue, but can't tell which one would work for my application.
Alternatively, if some other company makes an outfeed table, or there are plans to make one, please let me know.
Using a power feeder on the shaper without an extension table provides very little room to catch the outfeed stock, plus I worry that longer stock will get pulled down by gravity at the leading edge and lift up the stock at the cutter head.
As always, your assistance and advice is really appreciated.
Warmly,
Bill White SoCal (Orange County)
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Pretty sure that¡¯s F-channel. Felder sells a 1 meter extension table with a leg for that position. Take a look at this on the Felder site:
Brian Lamb
blamb11@... www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Dec 5, 2016, at 5:32 PM, wildcoach@... [felder-woodworking] wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I have a current year KF700SP (delivered 2016) and want to put an extension table at the end of the shaper outfeed but I don't know what connection type that is.? There is a short connection bar that is used to attach the power feeder lift that has room for a small width outfeed table.? Can anyone tell me what style of connection that is and whether Felder makes an extension table for this point? I see a couple in the catalogue, but can't tell which one would work for my application.
Alternatively, if some other company makes an outfeed table, or there are plans to make one, please let me know.
Using a power feeder on the shaper without an extension table provides very little room to catch the outfeed stock, plus I worry that longer stock will get pulled down by gravity at the leading edge and lift up the stock at the cutter head.
As always, your assistance and advice is really appreciated.
Warmly,
Bill White SoCal (Orange County)
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Hi Everyone,
I have a current year KF700SP (delivered 2016) and want to put an extension table at the end of the shaper outfeed but I don't know what connection type that is.? There is a short connection bar that is used to attach the power feeder lift that has room for a small width outfeed table.? Can anyone tell me what style of connection that is and whether Felder makes an extension table for this point? I see a couple in the catalogue, but can't tell which one would work for my application.
Alternatively, if some other company makes an outfeed table, or there are plans to make one, please let me know.
Using a power feeder on the shaper without an extension table provides very little room to catch the outfeed stock, plus I worry that longer stock will get pulled down by gravity at the leading edge and lift up the stock at the cutter head.
As always, your assistance and advice is really appreciated.
Warmly,
Bill White SoCal (Orange County)
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Re: See the new dust collector?
Does the Felder RL dust collector equip with 0.3 micro HEPA filter?
James
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Again, the percentage efficiency doesn't say much without knowing the input particle size distribution. ?
OSHA rules cites some scientific work on real-world duct production, and I've excerpted ("fair use" I hope) a particle size distribution chart from a study of sanders:
I suspect in saw operations that nearly 99.9% of particles are >1 micron.? If true, then a system like Gyro with claimed 99.9% pre-filtration separation efficiency and 5 micron filters could in fact be allowing 100% of the sub-micron particles to pass through it and still be meeting specs. ? Obviously I am not claiming that is the case with Gyro, I am only pointing out that the stated performance measures cannot by themselves tell you what's actually getting though.?
I would however say that Gyro's claim that their technology is 300x more effective than cyclones at centrifugal separation seems like an extraordinary claim, and as Carl Sagan famously said,?extraordinary claims require?extraordinary evidence.
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Re: See the new dust collector?
So I decided to be the guinea pig on this machine. My 1100 CFM Jet is barely adequate as it is, even with the?cyclone pre separator/trash can lid, so it was time for an upgrade. And in my small shop the horizontal configuration will work much better and allow room for desperately needed storage.
I didn't realize that Woodcraft is also distributing the Gyro Air. Total price at Woodcraft is $4,334 including CA tax (and free shipping). However, I found a pretty awesome Woodcraft coupon that gives 10% off on everything, so my all-in price was $3,900 exactly. The coupon code is WELCOME, and probably only works if you check out as a guest (it seems to be intended for new customers).
I'll let you know how it goes.
/afb
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Re: See the new dust collector?
Again, the percentage efficiency doesn't say much without knowing the input particle size distribution. ?
OSHA rules cites some scientific work on real-world duct production, and I've excerpted ("fair use" I hope) a particle size distribution chart from a study of sanders: http://tinyurl.com/glamha7
I suspect in saw operations that nearly 99.9% of particles are >1 micron. ?If true, then a system like Gyro with claimed 99.9% pre-filtration separation efficiency and 5 micron filters could in fact be allowing 100% of the sub-micron particles to pass through it and still be meeting specs. ? Obviously I am not claiming that is the case with Gyro, I am only pointing out that the stated performance measures cannot by themselves tell you what's actually getting though.?
I would however say that Gyro's claim that their technology is 300x more effective than cyclones at centrifugal separation seems like an extraordinary claim, and as Carl Sagan famously said,?extraordinary claims require?extraordinary evidence.
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Re: Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit
No, there shouldn¡¯t be¡ unless the price change was Monday and you were quoted on Friday, but you would think any quote would be honored for 30 days or they would say, ¡°only good to such and such, because we have a price increase¡±.
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You are right Brian, but I wouldn't think there would be much of a price change over a couple of days on a showroom machine.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "Brian Lamb ?blamb11@...?[felder-woodworking]" < felder-woodworking@...> ?Date: 2016-12-05 10:22 AM (GMT-05:00) ?To: FOG < felder-woodworking@...> ?Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Thoughts on the precision miter option and scoring unit ??You also have to realize that given the fluctuation of the Euro that prices here might vary quite a bit from time to time. I suspect that has something to do with unpublished prices.
Much easier to really the put screws to you when the prices aren't listed and can be changed by salesman dependent on the customer and the perceived bankroll. I had this happen this past summer on a Dual51 quote. The quoted price over the phone went up several thousand dollars by the time they sent out the written quote. Now they won't have the chance to quote on anymore machines. I guess in all fairness though you can't get prices on Martin or Altendorf products off the web for any level of machine.
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You are right Brian, but I wouldn't think there would be much of a price change over a couple of days on a showroom machine.?
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You also have to realize that given the fluctuation of the Euro that prices here might vary quite a bit from time to time. I suspect that has something to do with unpublished prices.
Much easier to really the put screws to you when the prices aren't listed and can be changed by salesman dependent on the customer and the perceived bankroll. I had this happen this past summer on a Dual51 quote. The quoted price over the phone went up several thousand dollars by the time they sent out the written quote. Now they won't have the chance to quote on anymore machines. I guess in all fairness though you can't get prices on Martin or Altendorf products off the web for any level of machine.
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The Unifence has been out of production for quite some time and can be
very hard to find. What you need to find is a fence system, like the
Unifence or perhaps the 'VerySuperCool Table Saw Fence' suggested
upthread, although there may be an issue with that solution. You need a
strong front mounted guide rail and a fence where the 'T' square does
not have the left leg of the 'T' so long it interferes with the sliding
table.
The Unifence isn't able to move left far enough to use the fence in the tall configuration, I don't know how the VSC fence would work.
Brian(J)
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